# attn: northern shaolin - Chan Kowk Wai ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shaolin Kung Fu\ **Created:** [October 31, 2002, 10:54am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050 "2002-10-31T10:54:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cha\_kuen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@cha\_kuen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cha_kuen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 10:54am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/1 "2002-10-31T10:54:16Z")
Hi NS, I have only heard of this name through the web and a suspecting teacher. However this guy is supposed to be cantonese? Seeing that you are cultured and such, in cantonese there isn’t a family name of " KOWK" is there? I thought there was only “kwok” as in “aaron kwok” the pop star. Have you heard of Chan Kowk Wai ( \supposed to have learned from Yeem Seung Mo) Thanks for your time. -cha kuen [http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=taichimaster06&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25](http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=taichimaster06&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25) ---
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 5:33pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/2 "2002-10-31T17:33:32Z")
It’s Kwok But never, never get hung up on the spelling. My BSL Sifu Kwong Wing Lam wrote a book for IKF and they misspelled his name as Kwon Wing Lam. He eventually dropped the Kwon/Kwong and now just goes by Wing Lam. We did an article on Chan Kwok Wai back in Oct 2000 - here’s the back issue reference: [http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=126](http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=126) ---
**Author:** ![cha\_kuen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@cha\_kuen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cha_kuen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 6:30pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/3 "2002-10-31T18:30:21Z")
Yeah but I asked one of his students if the spelling was “kowk” or “kwok” and he said that it’s “kowk” I don’t think a family name like that exists in chinese.. does it…? ---
**Author:** ![JAZA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d78d45/32.png) [@JAZA](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/JAZA)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/4 "2002-10-31T19:14:14Z")
If you understand spanish, here is his bio.[http://kaimen.com.ar/chankway.html](http://kaimen.com.ar/chankway.html) ---
**Author:** ![GeneChing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/geneching/32/96_2.png) [@GeneChing](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/GeneChing)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2002, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/5 "2002-10-31T22:26:20Z")
No chinese names exist in letters They are all in characters. Whenever they are written, well, there is some standards, but most of us get stuck with whatever the immigration guy hears. For example, my name is Ching, but in proper mandarin it’s Chen, and one of my classmates has the same character as mine but goes by Tan. Don’t get hung up on spelling in kungfu. ---
**Author:** ![cha\_kuen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@cha\_kuen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cha_kuen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 1:05am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/6 "2002-11-01T01:05:10Z")
Okay Gene, so what you’re saying is the guy and his lineage is legit. Gotcha. =] northern shaolin, does your sifu know this guy? Were they classmates maybe? ---
**Author:** ![SifuAbel](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/sifuabel/32/45_2.png) [@SifuAbel](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/SifuAbel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/7 "2002-11-01T01:07:28Z")
Chan is the family name. Otherwise, what is the point of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![NorthernShaolin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NorthernShaolin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernShaolin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2002, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/8 "2002-11-01T03:26:17Z")
Cha, Long time since I’ve heard from you. I never really gave his name any thought because I thought the spelling was a variation of Cantonese. Anyway, yes my sifu was aware of him but only as a lower classmate and nothing more than that. They never practice as classmates because my sifu completed his studies 10 years before him. I remember showing an article from a Chinese Martial art mag. (dated 1972?) about SIfu Chan completing his studies and going to South America to teach NSL. Generally lower classmates know who the upper classmates are but not vise versa. Assuming everything being equal, upper classmates usually, but not always, are thought as being at a different level than the lower classmates. Same line of thought that a student can never be better than his sifu sort of thing. But we all know that this is old way of thinking. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/9 "2002-11-02T15:05:34Z")
I have mistaken wing lams name as “kwon” because of seeing it published. I have mistaken Chan’s name as “kowk” because it was also published as that. It’s a major conspiracy of typographists to obfuscate the truth from the public that’s what it is! I once heard of a 137 year old man who attributed his longevity to a typographical error 😃 NS or Gene, could you tell us who the 4th BSL master was that came west besides your respective sifus and Chan? peace ---
**Author:** ![NorthernShaolin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NorthernShaolin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernShaolin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/10 "2002-11-02T18:46:23Z")
4th one Kung Lek, The fourth NSL master is Sifu So Bin Yuen, a.k.a., Johnny So, who is in the East Coast, around NYC area (?). He is my sifu 's lower classmate (sidi) and came to the USA about 10 years after my sifu came to USA in the west coast. However, Sifu So is the sihing to Sifu Chan and SIfu Lam. His disciples are at [www.harmoniousfist.com](http://www.harmoniousfist.com) ---
**Author:** ![NorthernShaolin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NorthernShaolin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernShaolin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2002, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/11 "2002-11-02T20:59:44Z")
5th one Kung Lek, There is a 5th sifu, Li Hung who is in the SF Bay Area in California. He was actually the second one to come to the USA in the late 1960’s. He actually learnt NSL first from LTH then later with YSW. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Jamieson](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/david_jamieson/32/19_2.png) [@David\_Jamieson](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/David_Jamieson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 4:17am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/12 "2002-11-03T04:17:53Z")
thanks! peace ---
**Author:** ![kai\_men](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kai\_men](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kai_men)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 4:45pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/13 "2002-11-03T16:45:59Z")
Chan Kowk Wai Dear colleagues: I am a student of Teacher Chan Kowk Wai. He began teaching Northern Shaolin in 1960 in Sao Paulo, BRazil. He has studied under Yim Sheung Mo since 1950 until 1960. I don´t know Sifu Wong´s background, my teacher has spoken very well about him, but I am not sure he is “lower” or “higher”, may be you can clarify whenever he completed his studies with Yim Sheung Mo. Chan kowk Wai is one of the most impressing teachers I have met. He is very knowledgeable not only in Bak Siu lam, but also in Choy Lee Fut (Futsan Hong Sing) , Seven Stars Praying Mantis, Luohan, etc. Did Mr Wong learn with Yim Sheung Mo in China? I wonder this because I believe that My teacher begun studying with Yim Sheung Mo as soon as he (Yim) arrived Hong Kong. I would highly appreciat your comments on this, but please don´t take my questions as any mince to discretid or doubt anything, but as a matter of my ignorance only. See photos of my teacher in [http://www.kaimen.com.ar](http://www.kaimen.com.ar) Kindest regards horacio ---
**Author:** ![kai\_men](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kai\_men](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kai_men)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/14 "2002-11-03T17:14:49Z")
suspecting teacher? who’s that suspecting teacher you re talking about? ---
**Author:** ![NorthernShaolin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NorthernShaolin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernShaolin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/15 "2002-11-03T18:23:34Z")
kai men, Your teacher’s creditability was never in doubt. Just the tone of your writing style in the other posting and the lack of protocal that started all this. Live and learn, I guess. To answer your question, WJM started learning from YSW in China at the age of eight in the late 1940’s and completed his studies in NSL after 11 years. From there, he moved on like your sifu to other masters to continue his studies. ---
**Author:** ![cha\_kuen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@cha\_kuen](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/cha_kuen)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 1:00am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/16 "2002-11-04T01:00:34Z")
I remmeber Lai Hung teaches in Davis right? Also choy lay fut too. -cha kuen [http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=taichimaster06&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25](http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=taichimaster06&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25) ---
**Author:** ![buddhapalm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/848f3c/32.png) [@buddhapalm](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/buddhapalm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/17 "2002-11-04T03:19:48Z")
NorthernShaolin Hi NorthernShaolin, I did not know that Wong Jack man learned from Yim Seurng Mo in China in the 1940’s. You said: “To answer your question, WJM started learning from YSW in China at the age of eight in the late 1940’s and completed his studies in NSL after 11 years. From there, he moved on like your sifu to other masters to continue his studies.” Is there any chance that he may have known about Dea Bak Do in Canton ? Just another long shot :-)) Cheers Buddhapalm ---
**Author:** ![kai\_men](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kai\_men](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kai_men)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/18 "2002-11-04T18:10:19Z")
thank you Dear NSL and others: Peace! 😉 I never intended to be rude nor committing any fault on protocols. May be my poor english lead some confussion about my real feelings about the subject. I apologize again, if anyone felt offended by any of my posts. Anyway I thank you for leting me know about my “lack of protocol”, moreover I would like to know what was exactly my fault (can be privately to [kaimenkf@yahoo.com](mailto:kaimenkf@yahoo.com) for not boring others). On the other hand, I never suspected that the “suspectious instructor” was myself! jaja. I lookforward to keep learning a lot by these forums with so knowledgeable people. Kindest regards horacio ---
**Author:** ![kai\_men](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kai\_men](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/kai_men)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 6:18pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/19 "2002-11-04T18:18:51Z")
chan kowk wai Cha Kuen: Here you have a link where the Brazilian Inmigration Department has recorded my sifu, his name, and his date of arrival in brasil. [http://www.memorialdoimigrante.sp.gov.br/Horal/25\_9.html](http://www.memorialdoimigrante.sp.gov.br/Horal/25_9.html) Regards horacio ---
**Author:** ![NorthernShaolin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NorthernShaolin](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/NorthernShaolin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2002, 6:39pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050/20 "2002-11-04T18:39:38Z")
Cha Kuen, You are right, Sifu Li Hung teaches in Davis also. He teaches NSL first as a take off to his prize Choy Lay Fut style. [Next page](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/attn-northern-shaolin-chan-kowk-wai/16050.md?page=2)