# Adding boxing into my training regiment **URL:** \ **Category:** Taijiquan and the Internal Martial Arts\ **Created:** [December 27, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237 "2002-12-27T19:41:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xebsball](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/xebsball/32/90_2.png) [@Xebsball](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xebsball)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/21 "2003-01-03T23:44:07Z")
havent fought, but i do know by both detailed scientific research and comparative statistics. the real test is reality, not the ring. If you do get in the ring, please dont embarass me when you get confused between jabbing and “benquaning” in the middle of the fight. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/22 "2003-01-04T00:00:59Z")
Oooh, ic. Do you think Hsing I will give you better than an even chance against a .45 bullet hurtling to your chest? Or how about a quick stab in the gut? Or when you slip and fall on ice and your grappling opponent jumps on you? Buddy, if you can’t handle the ring where there’s less to worry about, you’re not even ready to use your art in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Xebsball](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/xebsball/32/90_2.png) [@Xebsball](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xebsball)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/23 "2003-01-04T00:13:25Z")
dont pretend youre blind, the ring and the street are two different things. and xing yi was developed in the context of “street”. im talking about fighting on the street, not getting shot or stabbed on the back, sure weapons are part of street fighting, but on the cases you mentioned -\> you have already lost, you already have been stabbed game over dude! 😃 know what im saying? of course you cant use xing yi once he already cut your friggin head off, fool, youre supposed to use it to prevent him from doing that, by beating the \*\*\*\* outa him do i need to explain more? c’mon i said youre smart, now you gotta live up to that standards, dont desapoint me!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/24 "2003-01-04T01:23:09Z")
> i said youre smart Just smart enough to know you’re naive. Do you think you can take out a guy wielding a knife with one day of training under his belt? ---
**Author:** ![Xebsball](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/xebsball/32/90_2.png) [@Xebsball](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xebsball)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 3:27am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/25 "2003-01-04T03:27:39Z")
Never said i can right now (not even gonna mention the good sh[size=2]ite[/size] again…) but training to fight against weapons is something one should indeed do, or do you think not, heh? bit[size=2]ch[/size] ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Souders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Brad\_Souders](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Brad_Souders)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/26 "2003-01-04T06:49:25Z")
Actually Muppet if you look at Keith Hackney’s stats there not to bad for an MMA KF guy. I do it as a hobby. Got my ass handed to me and i handed out a couple also. The ring and street are two differnet worlds. I know people who would get beat in the ring and kill Tito Ortiz in the street. Internal is good for everything. Think about grappling. 90% of grappling is “feel” which in turn is internal energy. Like myself i’m a guard player always have been. But many people say i grapple like water. Why? Because i flow off someone’s energy and redirect it back to how i want it to flow. So there you are my fellow MMA fan. You can trust me been in there done that. Later, Brad ---
**Author:** ![omarthefish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c67d28/32.png) [@omarthefish](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/omarthefish)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 7:43am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/27 "2003-01-04T07:43:46Z")
> Without being able to fajing, going from one attack to the next is MUCH slower since your limb needs to be c_cked to strike with power. If you don’t c_ck back and just use your body momentum, what you end up doing is simply PUSHING the opponent with your body more than hurting them. Edit: Stupid language filter. [/B] That’s hilarious. Can you say “the pistol wasn’ \*\*\*\*ed”? How about, “\*\*\*\*ake mushrooms”? “the \*\*\*\*\*\*\* son of Henry IV”? Good thing nobody’s talking about raising dogs here. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 8:32am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/28 "2003-01-04T08:32:14Z")
Xebs, Why don’t you try your hand against a buddy armed with a magic marker? See how many times you get “dotted” (i.e., stabbed)? Or better yet, train for how many years you want and see how easily you can avoid getting dotted then. Brad, are you talking about Keith Hackney the kenpo guy? He has a 2/2 record with the last fight in '95. Not bad, but looking at the records, two wins were against relative scrubs with the two losses against decent opponents. He’s obviously not “the best”, but it’s hard to say where he really sits so if he’s fought since then, I’d be interested in looking at the records. Anyway, in hand to hand only, what would your street guys do in the streets that MMA heavies also couldn’t or wouldn’t do? Also, you may not be interested if you’re primarily a ground fighter, but take a closer look into what powers the internal styles. It’s not simply about feeling and redirection; what you described is a general tactic of tai chi (and aikido, to some degree), but is not what styles like Hsing I emphasize. However, they all share the same interesting body mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Xebsball](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/xebsball/32/90_2.png) [@Xebsball](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xebsball)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/29 "2003-01-04T14:19:06Z")
> Originally posted by Muppet > [B]Xebs, Why don’t you try your hand against a buddy armed with a magic marker? See how many times you get “dotted” (i.e., stabbed)? Or better yet, train for how many years you want and see how easily you can avoid getting dotted then. [/B] God \*\*\*\*\*\* i already told you im not trained to fight knife guys now, what i said is one should train to do so and develop skills to handle this situation as one progresses. For now i am training only empty handed. Fighting empty handed vs weapons is very hard, theres no doubt about that, but if you think that even with training its impossible then i can only feel sorry for you. Let me put it this way, empty handed vs weapon is the last stage of fighting, its the hardest. First one learns hand vs hand, then weapon vs weapon and finally hand vs weapon. And then there is off course, the issue of multiple attackers, that makes things even nastier. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/30 "2003-01-04T19:05:47Z")
That’s right, start crying and making excuses again. It _is_ hard and it’s the exceptional fighter who can successfully take on someone familiar with a knife. In fact, it takes a long time and lots of gritty practice and I bet, _gasp_, that it takes years to become a competent and well-rounded fighter with an art like Hsing I. So it’s pretty stupid when you drop a line and say real life is the real test, because real life is a lot nastier and unforgiving than the ring. So again, if you’re not ready to use your art in the ring where your opponent is unarmed and the opponent is not allowed to maim you (at least not on purpose), you’re definitely not ready to use your art in real life. Hell, it’s funny how you say you can take on kickboxers and judoka w/ a similar amount of training, but then you cry and say you’re a beginner and you don’t compete when I call you on it. You’re just blowing smoke. And sure, you can randomly throw a sucker punch, throw chairs, hit w/ bottles, slash w/ a knife, etc. in real life but then that’s not so much about Hsing I, is it? And any RL trick you can do, so can your opponent. It’s only clueless guys like you who think a few months of training lets you fight w/ the art and start trumpeting that anyone Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Souders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Brad\_Souders](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Brad_Souders)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/31 "2003-01-04T19:20:30Z")
Actually along with Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney is part coach of the USA Pankration team now. Yeah he has to loses but against Marco Ruas and Royce Gracie when the UFC was an actual fighting event not boxing with smaller gloves. There are two different type of MMA fighters. There are People like Tito who are mostly just trained for a ring. These people would forget things like eye gouges and thraot rips. (though tito has progressed a \*\*\*\*en hundred folds no doubt) And there are peeps like Silva. Coming from Brasil he lived on the street. He’d ratehr beat your ass then MMA you. Feel is energy. But in boxing why do guys exhale when they hit. To porduce more power. They are contrating on blowing through the opponent. Thai’s do the same when throwing leg kicks. The breathing/internal power produces an extra boost. It like when you lift weights. Do you do silent or give a yell when maxing out? You yell to give yourself that little extra boost. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/32 "2003-01-04T19:36:48Z")
Alright, I see your point there. But look at Tank Abbot. He wasn’t really anything more than a brawler but all things considered, he did well. People who’ve done well in the streets can adjust and do VERY well in the ring IF they have the skills. With a little extra training, there’s no reason why someone really skilled in Hsing I couldn’t do well either. Edit: Actually, I guess Tank is a bad example because he never beat anyone that was truly good, but for someone with no formal training he did alright. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/33 "2003-01-04T20:28:18Z")
Btw, look into Mike Sigman’s internal strength videos, especially his second one. I’m not convinced that what he displays is 100% THE ONLY RIGHT way and there’s nothing there that’ll teach you how to fight, but I think it gives a pretty good idea of the difference between ordinary external methods and the internal methods. ---
**Author:** ![scotty1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/scotty1/32/175_2.png) [@scotty1](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/scotty1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/34 "2003-01-05T01:49:09Z")
“A fajing strike in contrast is very crisp, very quick, very hard, and from what I’ve seen, can be trained to come out repeatedly like a machine gun. Sort of like very quick jabs in succession but with the power of a solid right cross or uppercut” Uhhhhhhhhh… _drools like Homer Simpson_ ---
**Author:** ![Xebsball](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/xebsball/32/90_2.png) [@Xebsball](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Xebsball)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2003, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/35 "2003-01-10T03:01:34Z")
Muppet if we met, im sure youd be the one doing all the crying real life is unforgiving and real, thats why its the ultimate real test avalible in our reality. Do you see a pattern taking place here? (hint: look for the word “real”) I never said ( \<– do we see yet another pattern, maybe?) that im not ready to use it on the ring, its quite clear from my previous statements that i dont intend to, dont want to get on a ring. If you want to, and that just cos i am granting you the chance to do so but only this time, you do can say im not ready and really wouldnt even if i intended to fight “high-level mma blah blah blah” since i said that myself a few posts ago. Those guys specialize on the ring, are paid by sponsors and they train like 6 hours a day (becouse its their job), wich already puts them on a huge advantage. Oh so a guy on the internet named Muppet called me on it… OOOOHHH im moved!! Thats really an awesome reason to get on the ring!! YEAH THATS THE OPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME THAT I LONGED FOR!!! :rolleyes: Weakling. ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_Sanford](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forum.kungfumagazine.com/fred_sanford/32/310_2.png) [@Fred\_Sanford](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Fred_Sanford)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/36 "2003-01-12T23:47:17Z")
Muppet, you big dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/37 "2003-01-13T16:15:41Z")
Now, you did say this: > the real test is reality, not the ring. If you do get in the ring, please dont embarass me when you get confused between jabbing and “benquaning” in the middle of the fight. Let me tell you a story about reality. Years ago (this is little under 10 years ago), I knew a marine who was stationed in Mexico which I’ll call my buddy. Now I can’t really call this guy my buddy because he was really friends with my friends, but we did hang out now and then and it’s just easier to tell the story this way. Anyway, my buddy was stationed in Mexico and he went out for the night with his buddies in a local’s bar. Basically, some in the group started getting drunk and rowdy, started \*\*\*\* with the locals, and eventually left. What they didn’t realize was that my buddy was so sh\*tfaced that he was knocked out at that table; and so he was left behind. So much for street smarts. Well, when the group eventually figured out my buddy wasn’t with them, they went back only to find his throat was slit. So at a tender age of about 20, he was buried six feet under because he never had a chance. Moral of the story: Hand-to-hand combat plays a very small part in reality and real life fights. Can I take you on? Honestly, I don’t know. I don’t know you and frankly, I probably wouldn’t bother giving you a chance to fight fair. Like I said very early on in this discussion, I know my limitations. I’m not ready for the ring, much less a real life fight, and since I don’t start drama, I don’t have any remorse if I take someone out unfairly (in a more-or-less legal way only, of course) in a real life situation, no matter how unfair they may think it is. In the ring on the other hand, fair’s fair. Anyway, I don’t know if you’re really in Brazil, but if you’re ever in NYC, why don’t you come down to my school and see for yourself just what I’m learning? As I’ve said before, while none of the regular students in my school are any good, I’m not learning flowery crap like you keep thinking. In fact, you’ll probably be surprised at just how good the instructor actually is. Frankly, the school could use more students that don’t subscribe to “mystical chi” or “electromagnetic” nonsense. Edit: Changed “morale(sic) of the story” sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Djimbe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de0a6/32.png) [@Djimbe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Djimbe)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/38 "2003-01-21T04:55:34Z")
\<\<\\>\> My old Buddy Mexico … ---
**Author:** ![Muppet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@Muppet](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/39 "2003-01-21T05:47:04Z")
Any buddy of yours is fine, as long as it’s not France. ---
**Author:** ![Djimbe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de0a6/32.png) [@Djimbe](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/u/Djimbe)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://forum.kungfumagazine.com/t/adding-boxing-into-my-training-regiment/17237/40 "2003-01-21T06:03:55Z")
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