Can martial artists stop fighting?
Can birds stop flying?
I know what you mean but…Don’t forget many birds don’t fly!
And we don’t have bird brains;)…I think ,for the majority of us hopefully?
yeah right!! Good joke though
I think we all have a lot more in common than most want to believe. Let’s try to concentrate on the common things and maybe we’ll see some of the uncommon are not so uncommon. I hope that made sense, but with this group I’ll know real quick if it didn’t. That, I have no doubts about. Good Luck!!
Ironic…
Tonight, during training, I was brushing up on my lip sau with some of my older kungfu bruddas. They were reminiscing about chi sao with the other school in town (long since closed) and how lame those guys were.
After some cheerful bashing (they are WillCheung (TWC?), we are VT) I told the joke that was a thread-head here awhile ago -
‘How you you start a fight between 2 wing chun guys?’
They didn’t get it…
Let’s try to concentrate on the common things and maybe we’ll see some of the uncommon are not so uncommon.
In general nobody else’s opinion is ever worth hearing:
either it agrees with one’s own, in which case it is redundant;
or it disagrees, in which case it is incorrect. 
Some one needs to start a mutual coorperation society that is totally independant of any lineage and open to everyone. YMWC, YKSWC, etc. If it was easier for information and sharing to cross lineages it would benefit the art as a whole and give more options to the individual martial artist.
Imagine all the people living for today…
Maybe BeiKongHuis’ idea on an organization devoted to all permutations of Wing chun is a good idea. It would be hard to put together but it could work to some extent. We could start by gathering a list of interested parties and peoples. I was just thinking today that it would be a good idea to get names, emails, locations, phone numbers, a database of WC people that we could all reference, sort o ffind people close to us or people who might be in the area who might like to get together for some sparring, talking or what have you. From there it could go a long way. I also thought of putting together a WC news letter, that involved all permutations. We could gather articles on each style, why they do the things they do, etc… in a central place. Do you guys think it could happen?
red5angel
definitely could happen, and i’d gladly help you out with the database idea.
as far as an overall organization for the bigwigs, there already are a few, most of them with variations of the name of Yip Man Athletic Association or something like that. problem is, they don’t seem to do all that much anymore together. seems to me that a lot of the bruhaha following the split after GM Yip Man’s death has settled down and everyone pretty knows which instructors of GM Yip’s are going which way. there was a big conference several months back, but all i’ve heard of it was that the VCD of the event offered up isn’t all that grand. beyond that, i’m not sure. i’m hoping someone else pipes in on this soon. but honestly, i don’t think a lot of the senior students of GM Yip spend all that much time together as a group (individual meetings are common, as some, such as Leung Ting and Hawkins Cheung, are good buddies)
A big wing chun family? No thanks.
I have always been a family planning man!
Funny Yuanfen, are you not a representative of the second most populated nation of the world?
Old jong_ that is why I only have two kids to the best of my knowledge. Also-- given the proliferation of mixed up wing chunners
they might surpass other countries in atleast population growth rates… soon. A wing chun breeding kuen on every corner…so many claiming Yip Man as pater familias. Quo vadis Yip man familias? The plum blossom- in hoc signe vincit?
To the best of your knowledge?
…I have two also…To the best of my knowledge also!
hi there
hi my friends , old jong great topic and fine theme, im mean good for wing chun people to be close and close and friendly and olpen in forum - friendly tiger_1:)
My friend.
I know that you, living in a troubled country can fully understand how futile and useless tribal and small clans war really are!..Why is it so hard just to be friendly and understanding about some variations of other lineages? The sad fact is that many (A lot!) prefer to diss all the others and proclaim only them possess the holy truth!
Talk to you soon Emil.;)(you have a e-mail!)
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I feel Wing Chun ,like many other arts, is deep enough to allow variations and different point of view.We could argue on the benefits of 50/50 or 100/0 or whatever percentage in between stances for eternity and never convince anybody that one way is better than the other.They both have a different feel and usage and both are effectives if you use it right
Sure I agree. This makes logical sense. BUT for this to work, the lineages or sifus we are talking about must be GOOD. And what defines good? That’s a topic that no words can define.
Too many times, there are politics of disrespect, siheng, si dai, elders, si bak blah blah blah…that does not encourage everyone to be open.
In my opinion there are many things that seem logical to the innocent person that are absolutely wrong.
One may say, " I study wing chun from three different lineages because I want to broaden my views and increase my learning through different variations and teachers."
To the non martial artist, yeah sure this sounds great logically on paper, but it’s wrong.
I don’t think I made any sense there. Oh well.
Final thought, I would like to see tsui sueng tin, lok yiu, and a few others in a meeting touching hands all together to see what they think is good /bad. BUT you won’t see a tsui seung tin person criticize lok yiu because LY is siheng. ( i think)
That’s what I mean… every good teacher has his own theory but whatever theory it is it must be practical. ie You’re not gonna do a bong sau and follow with a lap sau if someone gives you a straight punch out of nowhere. That’s ludicrous. (throw them bows!)
The problem is that everyoen claims to get a closed door student of Yip Man and to have learned the secrets. There are no secrets. It’s all hard work. “KUNG FU” means hard work.
The great wall of china took a lot of “kung fu” to build.
All those out there who claim to be top students and private students of yip man who have learned all the secrets are liars and you can quote me on that.
All those out there who claim to be top students and private students of yip man who have learned all the secrets are liars and you can quote me on that.(sez cha kuen))
But if I tellsomeone that they could say OTOH- who is cha kuen?
Was he there? (yuanfen)
That’s what I mean… every good teacher has his own theory but whatever theory it is it must be practical. ie You’re not gonna do a bong sau and follow with a lap sau if someone gives you a straight punch out of nowhere. That’s ludicrous. (throw them bows!) (sez cha kuen))
Why not? At a certain stage of development bong sau/lap sau can come out spontaneously against a punch–depends on timing and angle (sez Bengal Tiger aka yuanfen..since everyone plays name games!)
You’re not gonna do a bong sau and follow with a lap sau if someone gives you a straight punch out of nowhere. That’s ludicrous. (throw them bows!) (sez cha kuen))
Why not? At a certain stage of development bong sau/lap sau can come out spontaneously against a punch–depends on timing and angle (sez Bengal Tiger aka yuanfen..since everyone plays name games!)
I am talking about in a non sticking situation. If someone comes up to you and just gives you a straight punch , you would do a bong and a lap? That’s two moves that can be finished by one. ALso it won’t work if the guy pulls his hand back because that’s a 2 count.
It is completely wrong and will never work unless you’re fighting someone who likes to hold his hand out for you to do your moves.
He he Cha kuen- you are changing the context…you were not as clear at first- you said nothing about bong/lop prior to contact in your earler post. Of course you dont bong or lop before contact.
So what is the point in even mentioning it.
In important things-The devil again is in the details.