What's your solution?

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

Go with the force.....circle under the arm, or over the arm, of the opponent depending upon how he positions himself. Then apply an armbar and/or throw as the opportunity presents itself.....

....then sing skip-to-malou.....

(Malou is my wife's nickname, short for Marilou)

Close, you need to add to the force, and don't stop the microscopic orbit., but use the grand orbit.

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

Close, you need to add to the force, and don't stop the microscopic orbit., but use the grand orbit.

I wouldn't say you NEED to, it depends upon what openings occur as you go with the force of your opponent.

About the micro/macro orbits....Yeah I know, I was giving you a dig!

[ginosifu]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

If your opponent does this to you, what will be your favor solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy6j9rwcahA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhho8FZ59So

For the first vid of a straight arm drag, I would follow and use Taiji shoulder strike. However, you must be quick or you will be behind him too quickly. You have enough listening skill to be able to adjust your movements and drive your shoulder into him.

For the second circling one I would use Turning throw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPUhMbmyRfg Again you must have good listening skills to follow their energy and then apply your own throw.

ginosifu

[David Jamieson]

spin inward and take the draggers arm at the elbow and armpit.

or

spin inward in the same direction and grab the neck in a wrap.

or

spin in towards to free the arm and then out with a back-fist

or

step in, sit, brace the draggers arm and pull back


Is this what you guys mean by "speed up-take control"?

[goju]

what is being done at first in the videos? a wrist/forearm grab? just circle my wrists around theres to keep them from holding onto me or jab/cross

[bawang]

i would stop kissing my teachers ass and do a real manly demo, instead of pretending to be tossed like A WOMANS

A WOMANS

[sanjuro_ronin]

Originally Posted by bawang

i would stop kissing my teachers ass and do a real manly demo, instead of pretending to be tossed like A WOMANS

A WOMANS

You say that as if it was a bad thing.

[YouKnowWho]

What's the best solution?

1st - you will need to reverse your opponent's "pulling" into your "pushing" and take back your offense and put your oponent into defense mode.
2nd - you need to move infront of him (not toward him) to "jam" his moving path. Your body will need to "cut" into a special angle. This may be easy to do in the "circular drag" but it may be hard to do in "linear drag" becaus your window is very small. The moment that your opponent's body is moving away from you, you lose that proper "angle". This is why the "linear drag" is much more effective.

Any other solutions are just too easy for your opponent to borrow your force to against you.

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

What's the best solution?

1st - you will need to reverse your opponent's "pulling" into your "pushing" and take back your offense and put your oponent into defense mode.
2nd - you need to move infront of him (not toward him) to "jam" his moving path. Your body will need to "cut" into a special angle. This may be easy to do in the "circular drag" but it may be hard to do in "linear drag" becaus your window is very small. The moment that your opponent's body is moving away from you, you lose that proper "angle". This is why the "linear drag" is much more effective.

Any other solutions are just too easy for your opponent to borrow your force to against you.

Less movement is better than more movement, and no movement is better than less movement.

[YouKnowWho]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

Less movement is better than more movement, and no movement is better than less movement.

- Rich is poor, and poor is rich.
- Good is bad, and bad is good.
- Love is hate, and hate is love.
- To have is not to have, and not to have is to have.
- ...

[Scott R. Brown]

To sound wise is harder than to sound foolish, even if the wisdom is foolishness!

You may quote me!

[SteveLau]

The grabbling techniques used in the two videos are very similar. IMHO, they can be countered with the same solution. When the opponent is circling to my right side, I will just launch a right side kick to his lower gate. That will slow him down perhaps even to a halt. Then, without wasting time, turn left and execute a Kwa with my left back fist to his upper gate. Just to ensure victory.



Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

[YouKnowWho]

Originally Posted by SteveLau

When the opponent is circling to my right side, I will just launch a right side kick to his lower gate.

Please get a training partner and test this 10 times yourself, and see how many times that your right leg can kick out in that situation. You then reverse the situation and see how many times that your opponent can kick you within 10 tries.

It's not as easy as you may think. When your opponent drags you, he will force you to shift weight on your front leg. Your front leg will be so heavy and can't kick out.

[-N-]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

When your opponent drags you, he will force you to shift weight on your front leg. Your front leg will be so heavy and can't kick out.

That's a convenient way to keep the other guy from kicking you. Make him put weight on his kickng leg when he doesn't want to.

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

It's not as easy as you may think. When your opponent drags you, he will force you to shift weight on your front leg. Your front leg will be so heavy and can't kick out.

Only initially, if you enter quicker than the pull you create the opportunity to kick, but I still think it is low percentage response. If you are going to enter quickly, and choose to defend yourself using your legs, and the opportunity presents itself, it might be more efficient to hook the opponents leg.