Fascia Training vs. Bodybuilding vs. Weightlifting?

[TenTigers]

Originally Posted by faxiapreta

Then it would be different than most forms of contact activities. In which breath is forcibly exhaled on contact.
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hmm. don't know about that. When you get hit, blindsided by a tackle, body check etc, you are not forcibly expelling air. You usually contract and hold your breath at impact on instinct. Just going by personal experience.

[faxiapreta]

Originally Posted by TenTigers

hmm. don't know about that. When you get hit, blindsided by a tackle, body check etc, you are not forcibly expelling air. You usually contract and hold your breath at impact on instinct. Just going by personal experience.

Most athletes will do a combination of tensing the musculature while doing a forcible exhalation if they are aware of a hit coming. Boxers often learn to do body shots while the opponent is inhaling vs. exhaling and also learn to exhale as part of taking and delivering a punch.

My personal experience is that this combination of contracting the muscles while forcibly exhaling seems to work the best.

[bawang]

[faxiapreta]

My bet is, that, although I'm not aware of any research involving this, that the valsalva maneuver is better for strength activities, while the forcible exhalation is better for power activities (i.e. delivering a punch or kick) as well as for shock absorption.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by faxiapreta

Proper squat technique = valsava maneuver = increased stability and support due to increased intra-thoracic pressure.

this..............

[JamesC]

Originally Posted by faxiapreta

Proper squat technique = valsava maneuver = increased stability and support due to increased intra-thoracic pressure.

Thanks. I couldn't think of the **** word earlier

[sanjuro_ronin]

You body adapts, it adapts to the stress that it is put through.
That is why the body changes and the degree of change is dependent on the degree of stress.

Having done "internal" body work like the IW and "external" one like Sanchin and the typical "hard contact" that goes on in full contact MA systems, I can say that BOTH methods have merit, but that the "hands on direct" one done in FC gyms is quicker, though it can have some adverse side effects which are obvious because of the training.
Both methods are preferred for a "well developed and complete" system.
Strength building wise, the most effective and efficient methods is the typical ST protocols that we have with weights.

RE: The Valsava maneuver-
It is pretty natural to do when we, even the untrained, try to move or lift any heavy object.
It is crucial for squats and DL's and even heavy overhead lifting.
It is used in some forms of "iron body", but there are some dangers in using it that way - Holding breath and getting hit is never a good thing, but then again the valsava is NOT done to get hit that way, but to develop the "internals" so that if you do get hit, you have the added benefits of strong core along with the attributes of the typical "exhale when hit" training.

[gareththomasnz]

I recently did a blog post on this

http://www.freefitnessguru.com/blog/...-training/.php

Basically most people either train body parts...

Chest
arms
legs

Or they train exercises...

Bench press
squat
running
MA


But your body then has a weakness as it is designed to respond best to functional training.

Anaerobic and aerobic are physiological fitness that the two types of training can provide.

What the do not provide is anatomical fitness - joint development

Really we should build a foundation of fascia training as well as anaerobic & aerobic.

Then there is longevity of athleticism, less injury and greater development.

I call it "Joint Centric Training"

[IronWeasel]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

fascia is generally non-contractile (CT does demonstrate sum contractile properties, but not in the way muscle does); it responds to mechanical force, mostly load over time, which alters the lines of tension along which fibroblasts lay down new cells; so you can have deformation of fascia / connective tissue which can limit mobility; you can also "train" it by loading it over time - yoga is an excellent and straightforward method of "aligning / realigning" CT - you don't need any new-fangled jingoisms...

This is the most concise description of Iron Body/fascia training that I've read so far.

Thank you.

[wenshu]