stance and preheaven bagua

[Razaunida]

Preheaven bagua is the foundation

Postheaven is the application.


Preheaven comes inside to out

Postheaves comes outside to in



How do you apply the two trigrams to your kung fu practice? This is profound and yet is the basis for most kung fu systems if they have numerology in them related to Daoism. Everyone has 108 this, 36 that, 8 stances, yet few know why? Did they think it was magic? No there is a reason. How do you apply this to change in combat?

Responses like "Don't matter" just mean "I am neandratol who never learned it."

[hskwarrior]

Are you still drunk? just askin

[Razaunida]

not yet, but if there is any topic that can draw all Chinese martial arts into a common discussion this is it. This is the root, this the foundation, this is the heart of Chinese culture and its everything. I hope it generates some serious discussion about Chinese martial arts if anyone on this forum does that sort of thing.

[David Jamieson]

Adding cosmology to fighting tactics does little for the fighting tactics and less for the understanding of cosmology.

[Razaunida]

David:

Responses like "Don't matter" just mean "I am neandratol who never learned it."

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by hskwarrior

Are you still drunk? just askin

it IS hard to tell the difference w him, right?

Originally Posted by Xiao3 Meng4

The 2 trigrams you speak of are not called "Preheaven" and "Postheaven," they are merely associated with those two ideas - Chinese Metaphysics is syncretic and inclusionist, so the ideas were fused together along with Yinyang, Qi and such.

Moreover, which trigrams are considered preheaven and postheaven depends on which sequence is being followed - the older sequence of Fu Xi (often called a "preheaven" sequence in and of itself) or the newer sequence King Wen (often called a "postheaven" sequence.)

Which are you referring to?

please, PLEASE do not attempt to engage him in intelligent dialogue - it will cause his head to explode and get cortex all over his keyboard, which will make it messy for the next user

[Razaunida]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

it IS hard to tell the difference w him, right?



please, PLEASE do not attempt to engage him in intelligent dialogue - it will cause his head to explode and get cortex all over his keyboard, which will make it messy for the next user

I see as usual you have nothing to contribute. This is that Chinese stuff you seem to think so little of....quick..talk about biomechanics...that way you will be wrong, but at least you can think that you have been clever.

[Razaunida]

Okay savages, I'll make this simple.

This is the root of Chinese culture and YOUR kung fu. If you don't have any idea what is going on that is okay, you may learn something.

[David Jamieson]

Originally Posted by Razaunida

David:

Responses like "Don't matter" just mean "I am neandratol who never learned it."

Raz: Not understanding what I just wrote there is indicative of your own not getting it.

What are you looking for anyway? Validation? Confirmation? Of what?
Or is it just a place to vent bold statements of beliefs you cling to and those who counter that become a focal point of what you despise and ridicule?

Cryptic and highly allegorical cosmological references to fighting tactics, strategies and training methods doesn't cut it. Especially not in the realm of pugilism, which if anything is not properly delivered in that particular modality anymore.

Also, it's Neanderthal.

[Razaunida]

I get it, you don't know....next?

[David Jamieson]

Originally Posted by Razaunida

I get it, you don't know....next?

right back atcha.

[Razaunida]

Originally Posted by Xiao3 Meng4

lol, I wonder if you realize that "Savage" is a compliment to a Daoist.

Happily ignorant is Jerry Springer good viewing.

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by Razaunida

I see as usual you have nothing to contribute. This is that Chinese stuff you seem to think so little of....quick..talk about biomechanics...that way you will be wrong, but at least you can think that you have been clever.

no no no: "you're stupid because I say so" is just boring; really, PLEASE come up with something more interesting; we're all rootin' fer ya!

[Razaunida]

The first worthwhile topic on KFO descends to this. Does anyone here know anything? I t seems not. Maybe you can go on a tour of a Daoist temple in China...and instead of taking pictures ask a question....maybe someone will tell you.

You have to know the right questions to ask and work hard. But....its easier to pretend that you know everything..and that is all you ever get.

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by Razaunida

I see as usual you have nothing to contribute. This is that Chinese stuff you seem to think so little of....quick..talk about biomechanics...that way you will be wrong, but at least you can think that you have been clever.

Originally Posted by Xiao3 Meng4

Wow, did you use google translate to come up with that or something?

EDIT: Why do I get the feeling that you're the pizzed off alter ego of foiling fist.

his "style" (if one reaches to use that word) are reminiscent of someone who used to post here, who was banned many moons ago; could be the weed grows anew;

but why, WHY can't he come up with anything good material-wise?