Inside Kung Fu Bak Mei Butterfly Hand Bak Mei Article ?

[Yum Cha]

Originally Posted by ittokaos

Hello,
I was simply answering the question so I dont really see why you(Yum Cha) feel the need to constantly say that all BM came from CLC? It doesnt but I cant prove it to you so how 'bout we drop it?
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Hi Itto,
Hey, I don't live for this stuff, just putting in my two bits on the topic.

It all started with the MacKwoon guy saying he was the only American holder of a secret new undiscovered Pak Mei, and selling videos of pure crap, dissing Eddie Chong and the like. Kinda offended me.

I can tell you, that my Sifu says we are better friends with the people in Futsan than we are with the people from HK, and he's told me a lot more...

Be well, have a great Christmas.

Cheers

[diego]

Originally Posted by Yum Cha

Hi Firehawk,

Without any comment on Uncle Jack Moi, whom I don't know anyway....

We've discussed this before, with all the references, recounts of face-to-face discussions, and confirmation, but people still get confused, or even outright misinformed.

There is one lineage of Pak Mei. It comes from Cheung Lai Cheun. Futsan, Vietnam, Guangzhou, Hakka, Taiwan Military, are all from CLC.

There is some smoke from Doo Wai about his special Pak Mei from Omei, and since he is the only one that knows it, I'll just leave that to your own speculation based upon his character.

There is also talk about a very soft Pak Mei, which best guess is a coincidental common name.

But the ferocious, agressive short armed hakka art that the world knows as Pak Mei comes from only one source, Cheung Lai Cheun.

Since his death, many of his students were cross trained, many have added forms, deleted forms, changed or lost bits and pieces in the evolution, and thus you will see outward differences. This does not make or un-make Pak Mei. Pak Mei is not the forms.

The important issue is that the essence of Pak Mei, the fusion of internal "Sam Chen" based skills, and the external short armed skills remains common, and notable to the trained eye.

If you lose that, or never learn it, its not Pak Mei, no matter the lineage.

What is "Sam chen?"

[taichi4eva]

I think he means "Sam Chien," a form commonly seen in Fujian kung fu styles.

[5thBrother]

Originally Posted by Yum Cha

Hi Firehawk,

Without any comment on Uncle Jack Moi, whom I don't know anyway....

We've discussed this before, with all the references, recounts of face-to-face discussions, and confirmation, but people still get confused, or even outright misinformed.

There is one lineage of Pak Mei. It comes from Cheung Lai Cheun. Futsan, Vietnam, Guangzhou, Hakka, Taiwan Military, are all from CLC.

There is some smoke from Doo Wai about his special Pak Mei from Omei, and since he is the only one that knows it, I'll just leave that to your own speculation based upon his character.

There is also talk about a very soft Pak Mei, which best guess is a coincidental common name.

But the ferocious, agressive short armed hakka art that the world knows as Pak Mei comes from only one source, Cheung Lai Cheun.

Since his death, many of his students were cross trained, many have added forms, deleted forms, changed or lost bits and pieces in the evolution, and thus you will see outward differences. This does not make or un-make Pak Mei. Pak Mei is not the forms.

The important issue is that the essence of Pak Mei, the fusion of internal "Sam Chen" based skills, and the external short armed skills remains common, and notable to the trained eye.

If you lose that, or never learn it, its not Pak Mei, no matter the lineage.

I don't Know Pak Mei ... though a related Art Lam Tong Long and have an intereted in Pak Mei Art ... But really liked this post!

[Yum Cha]

Originally Posted by taichi4eva

I think he means "Sam Chien," a form commonly seen in Fujian kung fu styles.

An interesting comparison between Fujian White Crane and Okinawian Karate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWh-u...eature=related

[sanjuro_ronin]

Originally Posted by Yum Cha

An interesting comparison between Fujian White Crane and Okinawian Karate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWh-u...eature=related

There is a lot of similarities AND a lot of differences.
It is quite obvious that the main branches of Okinawan Karate have "southern kung fu" influences and what is also obvious is that the Masters that brought their "kung fu" back from Southern China ( Miyagi, Higaonna, Uechi, etc) ALL modified what they had learned and made it very much Okinawan.
One should never think or assume that because there is a difference from the mother style ( White cane, five ancestor, dragon fist, SPM, etc) that it means that the person was taught something "different" or "inferior", it means simply that they did was ALL MA in their time did:
Modified what they knew to work for them - personalization.