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Old 12-06-2007, 08:11 PM
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Liu He Men - Hei Hu Form (Black Tiger)

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A new clip we just put up...

Master Liu De Ming is the 5th generation inheritor of the Liu He Zi Ran Men lineage. He began his study of martial arts at the age of eight with Master Hong Zheng Fu and legendary Grandmaster Wan Lai Sheng.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWyLHbjdwXQ

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Old 12-08-2007, 06:06 AM
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looks like shaolin.
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Probably because Liu He Men is a Shaolin derived system.
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Probably because Liu He Men is a Shaolin derived system.
Yep its Shaolin alright - on both counts - just out in front of the steps
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Looks like Sung Dynasty Tai Tzu Chaungquan. Some of the moves are markers form the system, like the Plow hammer at 0:10.
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Cool interesting
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Very Nice.
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That was awesome, but why was he moving that slow? Plus, his punches took like forever. Otherwise it was the best Shaolin I have ever seen in my entire life and thats isnot no lie.
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I think from memory that footage was taken by one of Master Liu's students on one of the many trips the school makes to Shaolin.

He was just going through some stuff and someone happened to have their camera out and got it.

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the new shaolin black tiger was created recently to fill a void.

people went to shaolin as martial arts tourists and said "we want black tiger, we want black tiger" so, the void was filled. I think this is within the last 10- years.

of all the black tiger styles that i have seen and been exposed to, this one looks mostly like that which is demonstrated in the book "shantung black tiger" combined with basic taolu of contemporary shaolin.

It doesn't resemble southern stylings that float around, which are also shaolin based, but not the northern longfist kind of shaolin such as this one.

it's a good performance.
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The main thing with this form is that it is about the spirit of the tiger.... not so much trying to mimic a tigers movements as in alot of other animal forms...

Its been in the Liu He system a long time - as for its exact origins I would have to check with my Master...
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Nice form

but looks nothing like Black Tiger. This is a modern wushu stylized version of what they think Black tiger is . The beginning looks like a form I know called "Ching Kang Fu Hu Chien". A form that represents Wu Song Killing the Tiger
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Its just a name there are many types of tiger forms- this is a traditional Liu He form that has been in the system for a long time.

If it was "modern stylized wushu" it would not have any applications - it would be a dance and nothing more.
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Its just a name there are many types of tiger forms- this is a traditional Liu He form that has been in the system for a long time.

If it was "modern stylized wushu" it would not have any applications - it would be a dance and nothing more.
A long time is a very general statement. How long?? Where are the applications??
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That type of opening is fairly common in northern longfist styles. I don't know the exact date of this forms creation, but Wan Lai Sheng was teaching this stuff before communist China existed The Black Tiger moniker is fairly common and is used within several unrelated systems. For example, here's Baji Quan's black tiger form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ObA9OQOmKI
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