Truth and lies regarding the so-called "Lineage Holder of LHBF"

[Mas Judt]

You know Sin The' claims to teach Lo Ho Pa Fa....

[Mas Judt]

Heard from a friend today who paid for a translation - it says EXACTLY what Wai Lun Choi said it said.

This Fukien guy is just a punk.

[sunfist]

The discussion as a whole is kinda ironic, considering LHBF itself was made up.




OH SNAP

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

The discussion as a whole is kinda ironic, considering LHBF itself was made up.

LOL.. ALL forms are "made up" by somebody at some time.. there's no set of Cosmic standards for forms.. none are particularly better or worse than another, except in their practical effects..

Be well..

[sanjuro_ronin]

Lineage is like ***** size, it only matters to those that don't have it.

[BCLL]

To Fukien_guy & friends,

Sifu Choi Wai Lun has retired now. With all due respect you'd single handedly stir up the most useless debate. It's not going to make any one of you a better liuhebafa practitioner or fighter.

Since you & others had laid such a serious accusation against Sifu Choi. My Sifu has instructed me to point out false information contained within lineageholder.tripod & other forums in relation to him.

Identify yourself, your sifu & your source if you've nothing to hide!

My name is Francis Locke, a student of Sifu Mok Ki Fai. He is one of your so-called 'The Other students' of late Grand Master Chan Yik Yan & a former student of Sifu Choi. Before Sifu Choi immigrated to Chicago in 1972, he brought Sifu Mok to GM Chan's school to continue his training. Sifu Mok studied under GM Chan until his death. Sifu Mok gave no permission to lineageholder.tripod to quote him as source of information. He is not interested in debating who is the lineageholder or lineageholders of liuhebafa. Based on genuine information it's up to individuals to draw their own conclusions.

The facts about Sifu Choi's scroll:

If anyone who is fortunate to own a copy of late GM Chan Yik Yan's book published in 1969, just open page 5 alongside with a copy of Sifu Choi's scroll. It'll help you to decipher the meaning of both scrolls especially the last two sentences. Sifu Choi's scroll mirrors GM Chan's scroll.

1. Line 7: Liu He Ba Fa Gate=Liu He Ba Fa School, Style, System or Tradition.
Line 8: Only You Acquire (Obtain or Get) To Succeed Or Inherit.
Here's the correct English translation of the last two sentences:

"ONLY YOU GET TO SUCCEED THE LIU HE BA FA SYSTEM!!"

lineageholder.tripod tried to change the last Chinese wording from "CHI" to 'REN' therefore "Inherit" became 'Recognize'. Even with the incorrect last word 'REN' in place the last two sentences in English should be:
'Only you get to be recognize in the Liuhebafa system' and not
'Only for your recognition.'

2. Did Sifu Choi requested, pay for, and receive his scroll?
NO. Sifu Choi did not pay a single cent.
It was his classmates (Sifu Lung Wah, Sifu Mok Ki Fai & other pupils of GM
Chan) who pooled funds together & paid for the scroll as a farewell present.
Sifu Choi NEVER asked GM Chan for such scroll.

3. Did any other GM Chan's disciples receive the same scroll with their names on
them?
Sifu Mok Ki Fai confirms NONE of the others received such scroll.
Sifu Choi's scroll is the ONLY ONE of its kind.
If anyone has the same scroll please SHOW us!

Sifu Mok's information about Sifu Choi:

1. Sifu Choi Wai Lun lost his job as a truck driver during Hong Kong's
leftist's riots (1965-1968).
Thus he devoted a lot of time to intensive training as well as teaching at GM Chan Yi Yan's
school.
2. Sifu Mok Ki Fai joined Sifu Choi's own school after it was open in 1969.
Sifu Choi KNEW Liuhebafa at the time when Sifu Mok started training in
Hsing-Yi.
3. Sifu Choi along with Sifu Lung Wah, Sifu Kam Tung & others from Hong Kong
participated in the Southeast Asian tournament in 1971.
4. GM Chan presented Sifu Choi with the scroll.
5. Sifu Choi immigrated to Chicago in 1972.

Let us assume Sifu Choi followed GM Chan for less than 3 years?! Which one is more productive-: 2 years intensive full-time training or train a couple of hours once or twice a week for 10 years?

Why the wait?
Out of respect for GM Chan, Sifu Choi waited until after GM Chan's passing before declaring himself Grand Master.

Choi Wai Lun did not begin with Chan Yik Yan until 1969?
So our late GM Chan permitted Sifu Choi to open his own school in 1969 before he receives any lesson. NONSENSE!

GM Chan written & sold scroll by REQUEST?
UNBELIEVABLE!

The sole propose of lineageholder.tripod is quite obvious. Ghostly photo, twisted translation, and other false information mount a smear campaign to discredit Sifu Choi in order to support their side of the argument. The worst part is that they claim to be backed by all other GM Chan's pupils. Shameful! Hope we will find out who is behind in such cowardly act.

[PHILBERT]

Originally Posted by SevenStar

lineage, schmineage. choi's skill level far outweighs any real or fake lineage claims. Why do people get so wrapped up in lineage?

Back in the day, when Samurai dueled, it was said that they would name off their family lineage of Samurai fathers, grandfathers, etc. Later on they created banners for it that they carried into battle.

[Chihung Mac Au]

It has come to my attention that some unknown person(s) have launched a smear campaign against me. It saddens me that those responsible for this think that this in some way will enhance their own standing in the martial community.

Nevertheless, some very absurd claims have been asserted. The one that I will address is in regards to the certificate Grand Master Chen Yik Yan presented to me. When I received this honor I was filled with great joy as well as some tribulation. The joy resulted in that my teacher felt that I deserved such recognition, but I knew from that point on, the weight of the responsibility for the future of the Liu Ho Pa Fa style rest upon me.

If there exists someone else, whom possesses such documentation, he has an obligation to come forth and present himself and take on the responsibility to preserve Chen Yik Yan legacy.

As far as all the other allegations are concern this fathom references are seriously flawed. My accusers proclaim that all living students of Grand Master Chen, has collaborated on these charges, but does not offer a single name. Let me begin by offering three names on my behalf. Kam Tung, Thomas Choi and Mok Kei Fai whom has since refuted all and any statements or connection with these people. Their statements can be found on the internet.

Since rumors of this nature have the ability to grow without substance, I felt it necessary to speak out on my own behalf.

My skills and my time with Grand Master Chen is my own personal treasure. Since there is no actual person or persons to refute, addressing all the other accusations is senseless.

I have been a presence in the martial art world for nearly half a century. Competing and teaching throughout these many years until my recent retirement. I am still available to anyone who wishes to legitimately question my abilities. Let them come forth in an honorable manner.

My name is Wai Lun Choi

[lkfmdc]

I do not know a single thing about LHBF, about Sigung Chan or about lineage

I do however know Sifu Choi....

HE IS THE REAL THING, HE HAS VERY STRONG KUNG FU, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE CAN FIGHT WITH IT

[Mas Judt]

Yep. And I like him personally, so lets see some names of these cowards who post BS about him. Who are you and why are you afraid to sign your name?

Wai Lun Choi is easy to find and never hides.

Same goes for his students.

For that matter, even people friendly to him and his school, like myself - easy to find.

Come you baseless cowards post your name and show us your 'skill.'

I am so over dealing with posers...

Wai Lun Choi is hands down one of the best I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. My Shuai Chiao teacher who always had qualified praise for most other teachers held Wai Lun Choi in the highest regard, without qualification and ALWAYS treated him as an honored guest. Why? Because Choi is the real deal. My teacher is very, very good, but for him being a doctor comes first. He knows what Choi sacrificed to have his art and revered him for it. THIS is why it sickens me to see such utter BS.

Funny how it only happens after Choi announced his retirement...

[HOKPAIWES]

My crane teacher and another fellow student are bros' with a guy who trains LHBF, the Master Choi is mentioned as a bad ass. Supposed to be an old video or something around of him nailing the $%^& outta some guy with what looks like a brush knee twist step strike.

[Mas Judt]

I was kicked off the Yahoo Liu Ho Pa Fa board for asking that the link to the sight slandering Wai Lun Choi be removed.

Obviously the moderators must be part of this.

Just want people to know.

Cowards.

[lkfmdc]

come on, by now we all know, being attacked on the internet by gutless geeks should be taken as a compliment, you must be doing something right

f-em, they're idiots

Originally Posted by Mas Judt

I was kicked off the Yahoo Liu Ho Pa Fa board for asking that the link to the sight slandering Wai Lun Choi be removed.

Obviously the moderators must be part of this.

Just want people to know.

Cowards.

twats.....

[lkfmdc]

Originally Posted by cjurakpt

twats.....

big, widely used, smelly, dirty, loose twats