the boxers weave

[Shiva]

hi-

i've been sparring with a boxer recently (san shou style) and I have a hard time using my kungfu against the boxer because he is very good at bobbing and weaving. my techniques feel too slow (i practice hung gar) is there a way to exploit this using my legs or something?

[viper]

Does he enjoy the clinch knees r sweet plus maybe u could set him up msake him bob then kick in the head i dont know just making sugestions. Good ur goin with other systems though really makes u grow hey

[Pork Chop]

attack high and follow up with a knee or a round kick; good chance you can catch him ducking into it.

If he's smart he'll be weaving back instead of forward, in which case his legs are planted (and open to attacks), his body should be somewhat vulnerable too.

[PlumDragon]

I cant say Ive had trouble with this in the past, but if I were faced with what you are, my first inclination would be to track.

As he bobs and weaves you track him with your strike. Locate his center, lock on to it and attack it, like a cruise missile out-maneuvering an aircraft on a turn, cutting off the arc. Agressive, forward moving, never stopping, always evolving instantaneously to form a new attack on the fly.
If his face is still too fast for you to hit, remove a dimension: Go from attacking the centerline to attacking a center point, the point where the movement of his head originates from; neck, throat, shoulders, chest, sternum...All areas which he cant move as fast as his head.

Im sure there are lots of other things you can do...This is just what I would probably attempt to do.

[hasayfu]

too many variables to give real advice but I would suggest NOT doing the track thing or a fake to force him to weave. Don't get me wrong, it can work if you can fool him or get him to go where you want him to but the reverse is also true. If he knows you are faking or tracking, he can take advantage of that because you are essentially doing a wasted/predictable movement.

My advice is stop head hunting. You are Hung Gar. Bridge the gap. Attack the body (which includes everything NOT the head). Weaving is pretty useless when you are touching him at elbows length or less.

[PangQuan]

just curious, are you striking only? or can you get in there and grab, ive always noticed tiger claw likes to do that.

use your strengths, exploit his weaknesses. if your soley a hung gar guy, stick to your style.

[Shiva]

Originally Posted by Pork Chop

attack high and follow up with a knee or a round kick; good chance you can catch him ducking into it.

If he's smart he'll be weaving back instead of forward, in which case his legs are planted (and open to attacks), his body should be somewhat vulnerable too.

good advice. i though maybe i should attack the body. he always seems to keep his head just out of reach. maybe i'll kick out his legs or follow my head shots witha sweep or thrust kick.

[TenTigers]

Shiva, practice "figure eights" which are gwa/cup,gwa/cup continuously across the floor, until it becomes natural. The strikes come in at angles and change sides like a barrage. You can open up with a frint kick and chain punches and then gio into the figure eights as a finishing combo. I have done this so many times, it is actually funny. Especially when they cover, because these strikes blow right through them. The secret is in yur Bik Ma-crowding horse. You need to close and be knee to knee. "Trust the process!"

[PlumDragon]

Originally Posted by hasayfu

too many variables to give real advice

Agreed 100%.

Originally Posted by hasayfu

but I would suggest NOT doing the track thing or a fake to force him to weave. Don't get me wrong, it can work if you can fool him or get him to go where you want him to but the reverse is also true. If he knows you are faking or tracking, he can take advantage of that because you are essentially doing a wasted/predictable movement.

My advice is stop head hunting. You are Hung Gar. Bridge the gap. Attack the body (which includes everything NOT the head). Weaving is pretty useless when you are touching him at elbows length or less.

Tracking is not a fake, and its not a wasted motion; its being able to adjust on the fly without playing the game of taking turns, and if practiced is a very useful skill.

Agreed however that bridging is an important step here. But its all the more easy to sense and track an opponent with a bridge already made...

[Golden Arms]

Ten Tigers: can you restate with english equiv of the cantonese? I dont think any of the non Hung people, or even some Hung lineages use cup chooi as a descriptive term, gwa is more common though I think. Thx, as you gave some good advice.

[neilhytholt]

Actually, what I found is that boxers are very predictible. They'll come in with some flurries, and then go out, come in and go out a little side to side.

What seemed to work very well was wait until they come in, do wave hands like clouds (or whatever) to parry their punches, and then just floor them with a straight punch to the face. I guess if you don't want to break their nose use a hook punch.

[PangQuan]

lol.......

[TenTigers]

I think all Guangdong (WFH) Hung-Ga knows cup choy, as do CLF, lama, Hop-Ga,Bak Hok,but for everyone else, Cup Choy is a large almost straight armed overhead "smothering" punch, which is like dropping a bomb on someone. It strikes with anything from the fist, to the forearm, and is thrown like a steel ball on the end of a chain. When you lead with the Gwa-Choy, which drops down and smashes through the bridge, and follow up with the cup, and then again, and again (ad nauseum) it is a relentless barrage raining down from all angles.
There is no such thing as an unstoppable technique, so I will say this can be considered a "High Percentage" technique. It can be stopped by jamming, or if the person tries to throw it from too far, which is why in my first post, it must be set up and the range must be tight and you need to press the opponet's horse and structure, both physically and spiritually, if you catch my drift.

[Shiva]

Originally Posted by neilhytholt

Actually, what I found is that boxers are very predictible. They'll come in with some flurries, and then go out, come in and go out a little side to side.

What seemed to work very well was wait until they come in, do wave hands like clouds (or whatever) to parry their punches, and then just floor them with a straight punch to the face. I guess if you don't want to break their nose use a hook punch.

that's exactly what I do but he sees it comin and weaves back. even though i can redirect his attack i can't seem to land any of the good stuff to the head/neck area. that's why i'm thinkin pork chops idea of following with a leg attack is a good one.

[neilhytholt]

Originally Posted by Shiva

that's exactly what I do but he sees it comin and weaves back. even though i can redirect his attack i can't seem to land any of the good stuff to the head/neck area. that's why i'm thinkin pork chops idea of following with a leg attack is a good one.

That sounds like a good strategy. If he already knows what you're doing then it won't work. Mix it up a bit.