Weight on the legs?

In WT the weight on the rear leg/front leg
is 100/0.
If you have no weight on the front leg you can kick at any time without having to transfer your weight first.
Also the front leg can't be swept.
This makes sense to me.
Can anybody explain to me why I should do it
differently? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
WT

We use a 50/50 or sometimes a 60/40 split of the weight. With a 100/0 you have no mobility without redistributing the weight. Also, even thought you can kick with the front leg, the back leg is trapped by your own weight distribution.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Highlander:
With a 100/0 you have no mobility without redistributing the weight. [/quote]

No,you can move in any direction any time without having to redistribute your weight.

The back leg is protected by the front leg.
WT

O.K. I'm confused again. Isn't a 100/0 stance the same as standing on one foot? How can you step if you are standing on one foot without shifting the weight onto the other foot?

I must just not be picturing what you are describing right.

The front leg steps forward,the bodyweight is still on the rear leg.
When the front leg touches the ground,the rear leg and the whole body is dragged forwards because of the adduction of the knees,the bodyweight is still on the rear leg.
The front leg is the driving force.
One step moves both feet.
WT

Gentlemen,

Both 50/50 and 100/0 weightings have merits, as do all of the variances in between.

Highlander,
100/0 does not limit mobility with the possible exception of stepping to the outside of the lead leg. What I mean here is that if I am standing with my left leg forward my toes are pointing to the right. Should an opponenet be successful at stepping deeply to my left side then it can be inconvenient for me to shift position quickly enough to deal with him. Particularily if he gets in deep enough to more to the rear of me. Not impossible but a little harder than if my weight were more of a 50/50. Just to clarify 100/0 can be extremely mobile but does limit movement to the "blind" side (for lack of a better description). 100/0 is very good for charging and allows you to step deeply into your opponent and move very fast.

WT,

Your explanation of the footwork as regards stepping with 100/0 is right on the money. The key is to develope the adduction so that it is the knees which cause the movement. It is very hard to describe this in this environment and even hard to grasp in person. Still your explanation was very good. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Now as to the question as to why do your footwork with any other than 100/0 I would say that the more one understands the concepts and methods of more than one way of doing something the better one can reply to unexpected circumstances. Other than 100/0 weighting does give one a degree of comfort and safety when doing Wing Chun. If trained properly it will still be hard to sweep the front leg. This can be due to either sensitivity or rooting. I remember an article by Sifu Chung Kwok Chow where he describes the advantages and disadvantages of differing weight systems. The 100/0 was very good for forward and to the strong or forward leg side. 50/50 was better for side to side to allowed one to cover a greater area, in some cases. 50/50 also gives one a choice on how to move. True there is still a shift needed to adjust to the step but the adjustment is not as great as 100/0. There is also a triangle stance where the feet are offset and seems to favor a more 70/30 or 60/40 split. This seemed to be a nice blend of both worlds.

The bottom line is that each method has validity. The bottom line is that practice will make the difference. I think in the beginning 100/0 is harder to learn than 50/50 or its variants. Also 50/50 is taught in the 1st form. Still, no method is completely 100% for each instance. IMHO, it is best to be exposed to both methods and work mostly on the one you like.

Peace,

Dave

"" Can anybody explain to me why I should do it differently? ""

Different stances for different things. You going to try to enter an attacker's gate and maintain a cat stance? NO...

hi
can i just add in our school the foward movement(& backward) comes from the waist(which should always be in alocked position-without this u will lack stability & balance)
1 agree that to have all wait on one leg means you have to be hopping as weight has to be transferred at some point,the only time u have 100% on 1 leg is when u kick & then it is 4 the shortest time possible.my feeling is weight should be moved from between 70/30 to 50/50 depending on the situation & so as to optimise ecconomy of movement.
sorry if my view differs from yours.

Stances with 100/0 weight distribution are transitional stances. For fighting, fencing, wrestling, boxing or any other combat art mobility is key. If you start out in a 100/0 I hope that your springing out from that back leg immediately or you'll end up thrown to the ground. I've fought with people who do this and all it takes is an easy sidestep for their immobile/ flicky kicking, hook a leg, make chest contact and down they go. I've also found that this is one of the few times you can so a low leg sweep (both legs) that sends the opponent into the air and then one their side with a thud. But hey if thats what your style tells you to do, stick with it and you might find out how to use it effectively. Good luck with your training.

vingtsunstudent,

No,there is no hopping.
The footwork is very smooth and the weight
is always on the rear leg.
As Sihing pointed out the key is in the adduction of the knees.
A kick can be done with the front leg without
having to transfer bodyweight to the rear leg first.This is economy of movement to me.

8stepsifu,

Mobility is certainly one of the most important things in combat.
The 100/0 stance is for moving,it's not immobile.
It's also for close range fighting,we move in to this stance from our prefighting stance.
Kicks are done at very close range,and mostly together with hand techniques.
It works both against sweepkicks and single leg takedowns.
WT

wt
a kick can still be performed with a 70/30 stance as the kick is so quick there is need for the weight to be transfered and also i don't mean to be rude but if u move into in-fighting range with all your weight on the back foot & your opponent takes half a step forward(unless your stance is supernatural) u
will end up on your butt.
i appreciate different strokes for different folks but again i would like to see anyone move foward with 100% on ther rear leg & not have to transfer there weight at some point
of the movement

sorry i must clarify something
weight distribution in kicks depending on the
type of kick will vary(just incase u say i've contradicted myself)
like i said before this is the only time one should 100% on the rear leg for longer than a millisecond.
but again that's just my opinion

sorry again
"no longer than a millisecond"

Hi vingtsunstudent,

Welcome [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I am sorry but I must kind of help WT out here [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] though I am sure he does not need it.

There is nothing wrong with 100/0 weighting it is just another method of movement. It is highly mobile and will not lead one to be susceptable to sweeps. It does allow one to change direction when moving forward and also provides a bit of protection for the groin. It is best used to charge an opponent and drive in deeply. Aside from the possible weakness I mentioned previously, hard to deal with a deep step to the unloaded side, it is fine to use. Of course, it is only used once you have closed with the opponent, you do not chase him around using 100/0 footwork, at least I don't [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

As to your statement of; "range with all your weight on the back foot & your opponent takes half a step forward(unless your stance is supernatural) u will end up on your butt."

If you truly understand the structure you will be able to accept the incoming force and transfer it to the ground. I can assure you that you will not necessarily end up on your butt. Although, you may be able to put them on their butt [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] Then again, does'nt Wing Chun teach one not to fight force with force? If the incomming force is too great I will simply turn or side step and let him meet air or my fist [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] LOL

"i appreciate different strokes for different folks but again i would like to see anyone move foward with 100% on ther rear leg & not have to transfer there weight at some point of the movement"

Herein lies part of the problem. This type of movement is very hard to grasp in this medium. Shoot, it is hard to grasp in person. Suffice it to say I used to train this way and devoted a great deal of time and effort to getting this movement right. The pull forward of the rear leg is done almost completely by the adduction of the knees. Picture a rubber band. When you stretch it out it will automatically snap back into place. If you have moved one end to another point it will snap into place relative to the new position. We used to do an exercise where one person would take a 100/0 stance. A partner would grab the non-weighted leg and pull the other person around the room. If done properly the person being pulled would move by sliding along the floor, no hopping and no bouncing up and down it was the force of the pull which moved him. This is one of the best illustrations I can think of to describe how the adduction works. If you do it properly there is no transfer of weight and the knees are what make you move.

Now, having said that, I practice more than one way of doing movement. Read my previous posts and you will see that 100/0 is not one of my favorites, anymore [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] Still it is good and can be developed to be very usefull. Particularily in charging.

Each of us are exposed to different methods but none of us has the "one true method" All of us are branches of the same tree. Some of us just get more sunlight then the otehrs Eventually, though, we all end up in pretty much the same place. Of course I usually get there first (It's a joke calm down LOL)

Peace,

Dave

well sihing
as we both know in a forum like this we will never c i 2 i(but that's a good thing)
my only regret is that living half a world away from each other we will never get a chance meet & share our knowledge & our own personal take on things. i personally luv 2 play chi sao with people from different schools because every 1 feels different & the more u feel the better your vt.