Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kungfujunky]

mkrii

you are starting a school .....are you the grandmaster? or do you have one that will visit and train your students? or is he just a picture on the wall?

whatever you people want to say i get to train with my grandmaster multiple times each year.

ive seen his body mechanics and his conditioning. ive seen his power and explosiveness.

i am not brainwashed. i have seen it.

the brothers split for various reasons that are nobodies business but the brothers and the senior masters in the art who were there.

[mkriii]

Kungfujunky.......No I'm not the grandmaster. My teacher is in Boston but I get to train with him about every other month. He is not a Grandmaster either. I do get to train with our Grandmaster though. Our Grandmaster lives about 4 hours away from where I live (Lexington Ky). He does not teach B.S. like some teachers or grandmasters do. He is a very smart man. He holds college dgrees in 7 different fields, he is a doctor, and a practicing pharmacist. Not only is he smart school wise but also martial art wise as well.

[DPL]

Originally Posted by mkriii

He holds college dgrees in 7 different fields...

You do realize that this has nothing to do with intelligence, don't you? College degrees are a lot like black belts - you can buy them lots of places with minimal outlay of effort. Not saying your GM did that, but he could have 20 degrees and it doesn't prove a thing.

With rare exceptions, the most a college degree says about you is that you proved you can jump through the correct hoops.

[Citong Shifu]

Originally Posted by Chain Whip

The 900 forms claim started in the late 80's. From what I understand - and I could be wrong here. Master Grooms actually was the first to say "900 forms." This is because the Soards told him something like it was 300 forms to reach 6th Black and that at that point you had 1/3 of the system. (keep in mind back in the mid 80's there were no 6th Blacks except for EM Leonard possibly) Being such a math wizard he figured that meant 900 forms and said so in his marketing materials (which has since been removed) I do not believe there is any mention of 900 forms prior to this point. However, if someone can produce something claiming 900 forms that pre-dates about 1986 then I would be obviously incorrect.

Shoot! After 31 years in the martial arts I have quite an extensive collection of Shaolin and other Shaolin sub-style kung fu forms... I would bet there's at least 200 sets (empty hand, training drill sets, weapons, two mant empty & weapon set, etc). 90% of my material is pre-1900's (Fukien Shaolin art and Tongbei). I do have some not so old styles like Mantis, Ziranmen, etc. Nonetheless, there still pre-1900's. So, with documentation and lineage validation from America to Mainland China, Fujian Province I can award myself the title of Grandmaster. Considering, I'm the only senior instructor of my teacher here in America making me the only one with our styles family lineage and manuals. LOL, Joking! Really, This is acceptable here in America, but it wouldn't fly in mainland China.

SD will continue to build until it declines, just as a "ALL" the other styles/arts out there... How many of you really think that the American (the majority) public gives a rats a$$ about who is who and what? The majority could care less, SAD but TRUE... anyway, I gotta go work on my new Grandmastership title, lol...

Shaolin power never goes sour!

CS.

[kungfujunky]

yeah well my grandmaster can speak 16 languages and hop on one foot

man wow!

since you have the be all end all system and know we are studying crap please move onto something else. you post irrelevant topics and have very little to add to the conversation here. you are flaming and trolling with almost every post.

[Citong Shifu]

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

yeah well my grandmaster can speak 16 languages and hop on one foot

man wow!

since you have the be all end all system and know we are studying crap please move onto something else. you post irrelevant topics and have very little to add to the conversation here. you are flaming and trolling with almost every post.

I was only adding my anology on this thread (SD & ST). I'm always careful to not disrespect anyone or style when I post. I'm not dissing ST, he built his style and made it what it is today.... More power to him & SD. Believe it or not, regardless of how SD comes across, it really help build popularity within the CMA.... In my opinion... Anyway, power to the people. Gotta love America...

CS

[Judge Pen]

Originally Posted by Citong Shifu

I was only adding my anology on this thread (SD & ST). I'm always careful to not disrespect anyone or style when I post. I'm not dissing ST, he built his style and made it what it is today.... More power to him & SD. Believe it or not, regardless of how SD comes across, it really help build popularity within the CMA.... In my opinion... Anyway, power to the people. Gotta love America...

CS

I think KFJ was referring to MRK's post not yours. Am I right, KFJ?

[kungfujunky]

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

I think KFJ was referring to MRK's post not yours. Am I right, KFJ?

yep!

nothing about you in there citong

[mkriii]

He got his college degrees at Western Ky University and Eastern Kentucky University. He had to go to college or he would be sent back to mainland China where he fled from. He got a degree in accounting, Medicine, pharmacy, philosophy, phycology, and I can't remember the others. But I assure you he didn't "buy" his degrees. He's very intellegent.

[Citong Shifu]

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

yep!

nothing about you in there citong

Oh, that guy. I was wondering about that, lol... Ok, catch you guys later. Thanks.

CS

[Citong Shifu]

Originally Posted by mkriii

He got his college degrees at Western Ky University and Eastern Kentucky University. He had to go to college or he would be sent back to mainland China where he fled from. He got a degree in accounting, Medicine, pharmacy, philosophy, phycology, and I can't remember the others. But I assure you he didn't "buy" his degrees. He's very intellegent.

You guys have a school website? If so, what's the link. Thanks.

CS

[yu shan]

Grandmaster Citong

"careful not to disrespect anyone or style" What about Wah Lum? Gotcha, just had to say it!

[mkriii]

Since I'm on a roll here of trolling (according to you), let me troll some more......What you say is trolling is merely me stating the truth about your style. I along with many others have stated that Shaolin Do Karate isn't kung fu. It may contain a little bit of Shaolin kung fu but it's not purely kung fu. People should know this up front before joining. "Grandmaster" Sin may have the word Shaolin in the name but certain techniques that are taught are not shaolin kung fu. Lets call an ace an ace and a spade a spade. Don't B.S. people just to make a buck off the name Shaolin. Remember, I studied under him many many years ago but I still remember some of the stuff he taught. Looking back, it did not resemble anything that I have seen that is Shaolin. Does this mean every one else is a fraud? If your right and I'm making false statements out of ignorance than why is it that there are 1000's of people who have said the same thing? Are they ignorant as well for making the same statements?

[Citong Shifu]

Originally Posted by yu shan

Grandmaster Citong

"careful not to disrespect anyone or style" What about Wah Lum? Gotcha, just had to say it!

LMAO . Dont you know, Citong Power Never Goes Sour! ... No really, I was thinking more along the lines of - Great Supreme Grandmaster Citong - I kinda want to be different from everyone else. LOL...

[kwaichang]

Tell or show me a technique that is not Shaolin included in SD. ??? If SD were called China Hand Chuan Fa would all this bul be going on ? KC