My lame confrontation

[stubbs]

Coming home on the train from a night out at a fairly local club I got sucker punched by some, what we call in England, pikies or scallies.

There was a group of them (about 4 guys and 3 girls) sitting a couple of seats in front of me and my mate. My mate had a bleeding fat lip but this wasn't because of the pikies (it happened earlier that night in a drunken tumble). One of the girls of the group came over to see if my mate was ok and he said he was fine and that he just wants to be left alone. Then one of the guys came over saying lots of pikey gibberish saying he'll give my mate another broken nose and he was saying that my mate said he told her to **** off. I told him he didn't say that, I don't think he really wanted to mess with me so he went quiet and sat down. This old guy sitting next to me said (in a funny accent) "you should tell HIM to **** off". The pikies heard a little bit of what the old guy said and they started shouting at him. Again I said that "he didn't tell you to **** off" (it seemed really childish what they were saying but they were just looking for a reason to start a fight). Again they didn't answer back to me and they sat back down and went quiet.

When it came to their stop they walked passed me and one of them grabbed my glasses and chucked them down the carriage and the rest started hitting me in the face and at the back of the head. The only thing going through my mind was "I cant afford another pair of glasses" so I got up from my seat and went to go find them. I?ve done martial arts for about 4 years now and I didn't even think to hit them back. I probably wouldn't have been able to do much because they were running to get off at their stop. I must of taken at least ten hits but for some reason I didn't feel threatened. They didn't hurt at all; they just felt like some punches you get in semi-contact sparring. I didn't really take much notice of them so I didn't switch into "defence mode"...I just wanted to go find my glasses.

After they left a couple of people asked if I was ok and the old guy with the funny accent said that in his country people like them get shot. It turned out he was from Zimbabwe. He was totally switched on and he took a photo of them with his digital camera. He said he worked in security at that he'll be able to use the photo to do an ID scan or something.

It feels totally weird how with all my training something stopped me from hitting them back. Even though I was getting hit I didn't feel the need to return the punches because I didn't feel threatened. I know I?ve learnt a few things from last night (apart from the fact I need to start wearing contact lenses!) but I?m not sure how to put it into words. I?ve got a bit of black eye; I just hope it clears up before Christmas! But other than that I feel totally fine.

Anyone got any comments?
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BLACK MOVIE

[Volcano Admim]

i seen the "Snatch" movie

"I hate pikies"

[Kristoffer]

bunch o ****ers.. I think it was very strange of them to pull your glasses of b4 striking you. That must have looked reeeally strange. Make a report, make them suffer

[Losttrak]

Do you have a bad temper? I am similar where I really dont want to fight until the "switch gets flipped." Perhaps the training increases the threshold of what you can tolerate before you go off on someone. I dont necessarily think thats a bad thing UNLESS there comes a time when its truly a threat and you dont act. Besides, if we all spent our time kicking the a$$ of those who needed it... we would never have a free moment.

However, many aggressors get the mindset that if they can do it once... they can do it forever. You may have inadvertantly labeled yourself as a victim, so next time they see you... they may take it further. The chance to nip it in the bud is lost so now you have to make an even stronger move to contradict your first impression.

[Heruka]

Dont fret about it man. I have been in lots of similar altercations with a few actual events where i did defend myself. Trust me, its like something inside you knows the person has crossed the line and you then simply act on it. Some people have a temper though and, in your situation, would have beat them down because they asked for it, not because they were defending themselves.

As far as regretting not doing anything, well think of it this way, fights arent a means to glory as if life were a friggin movie, you could be dead from gunshot wounds right now had you done something. You want to find glory with your martial skill? Then do it in a tournament setting or by challenging other martial artists in full contact sparring. Not by attacking 4 people who probly are armed.

[stubbs]

im a very laid back person but i can "switch on" when i need to. for some reason something told me i didn't need too. im actually kinda scared of the thought of "switching on" because im such a laid back person i think i'd probably take the opposite to the extreme.

i don't think they actually planned to hit me until they took my glasses off. they took them off me because they thought it'd be funny and threw them down the carriage but they didn't start hitting me until i went to get up and go get them and then they ran off.

i just realised my signature "satisfaction loses, and humility gains" is pretty relavent to this...i think i can truly relate to that now.
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Extreme q

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

one of these days im going to come on here and be like, man these 5 guys were ****ing with me last night, but i didn't do anything cause i was too scared to get ****ed up by 5 guys if i didnt have to.

im not passing judgment on your story in particular stubbs, im not even saying it necessarily applies to you, but i have seen a lot of the same type of stuff on the boards and i think that sometimes it's ok just to be scared.

[stubbs]

no thats the odd thing. i didn't feel scared at all! the only thing on my mind was to go get my glasses. they ran off before i could even think about what was going on. i would thought that with the training i've done i would've instinctively fought back but i didn't. i don't really get why
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Gay Ass

[Kristoffer]

I would b scared.. probebly.
unless I'm in a real bad mood

[stubbs]

i wasn't totally sober (cos i was coming back from the club) so maybe that's why i didn't feel scared or switched on. in any case, i ****ing hate pikies!
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Teen Swedish

[SifuAbel]

Its all pretty normal. After a while of training and getting hit regularly, it takes a lot more to get ****ed enough to loose the hounds.

It probably felt like children were hitting you and you were more annoyed than scared.

[Okami]

Please excuse my lack of travel experience.

What in the wide world of sports is a pikie???

I live in a fairly large city (Louisville KY) and we have our fair share of shady characters on the streets, but random acts of beating don't seem to happen much here.

Then again, KY has a concealed carry law that allows liscensed citizens to carry a concealed firearm.

I am not a fan of this law. I think all citizens should be required to carry a firearm out in the open.

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by Okami
What in the wide world of sports is a pikie???

Scottish gypsies, basically. They tool around in mobile homes and have their own accent that's almost a dialect in itself.

There's a lot of prejudice against them in the UK, as they're generally viewed as a pack of thieves.

The fact that a lot of them are a pack of thieves doesn't help this perception much.

The movie Snatch featured them fairly prominently.

[norther practitioner]

I live in a fairly large city (Louisville KY)

OXYMORON of the year!


Stubbs.. sorry to hear of the troubles..

**** like that sucks.

[truewrestler]

I took many punches in highschool without fighting back, for no good reason. I owe it all to my wrestling training