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14 | 43.75% |
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17 | 53.13% |
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0 | 0% |
| Who needs a Teacher. |
  
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1 | 3.13% |
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#1
08-14-2002, 04:31 PM
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Does your teacher have to be able to kick your butt to be your teacher?
So what is your answer?
Mine is NO, as the skill to transmit what he knows correctly is more important. 
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#2
08-14-2002, 04:45 PM
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agreed. he's a teacher, not a fighter.
but it sure helps to know that he's much better and continues to grow -- it serves as a model for me. 
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08-14-2002, 04:54 PM
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I say yes, but it has a condition.
Your sifu should have a decent amount of fighting experience. If not, how can he or she impart fighting knowledge to you without experience to base it from? Its become too common nowadays to have sifus teaching that haven't a lick of fighting experience. Eventually at one point though, if your sifu has done their job, your skill will surpass theirs. This is where their "gung fu" becomes more important than their fighting experience. A friend of my sifu's once told him, "i can defeat my teacher in a fight, but my gung fu will never be as good as his..." This is along the same lines. Peace
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#5
08-14-2002, 05:14 PM
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I said yes for the same reason that illusionfist did. Fight experience (be it on or off the street) is important for the teacher to have. Also if he/she has all the working knowledge of a system and can not beat a student using that system what does that say about the system or more importantly their knowledge and training in it?
Another thing, I would not compare training in a traditional martial art to training to fight in a boxing ring. They are athletes and are trained like such. Just my point of view though, yours may be different and that is cool.
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#6
08-14-2002, 05:28 PM
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Emphatically Yes.
Unless your teacher is one of the following:
Dustin "screech" Diamond from Saved by the Bell - You'd die laughing before you'd learn anything. Any Sifu/Sensei/Self-appointed Deity from Temple Kung Fu - They can only beat up people's wallets. Anyone who has ever accidentally walked into any of the Shaolin Do schools - Those "karotty gees" they wear get in the way of their thinking. Paulie Zink - Do I REALLY NEED to explain this one?
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#7
08-14-2002, 05:54 PM
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If a student is never able to beat the teacher, then how will the art grow? That would mean that with each successive generation the art becomes less - it loses something each time a master dies.
I do not believe this to be the case. A student should be able to beat the teacher, and there are many reasons for this - the teacher may be too old, the student is simply in better condition, the student has better fight instincts etc. However, the teacher has the advantage of knowledge and experience, and that it why they are the teacher.
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08-14-2002, 05:58 PM
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soemeone has been watching too much shaolin vs. lama
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08-14-2002, 06:21 PM
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Who me? Never seen it.
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cxxx[]:::::::::::> Behold, I see my father and mother. I see all my dead relatives seated. I see my master seated in Paradise and Paradise is beautiful and green; with him are men and boy servants. He calls me. Take me to him.
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#10
08-14-2002, 07:46 PM
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Your teacher needs to be able to kick other teacher's butts that are his own age.
 Or have been a great fighter for a fairly long period of time. Or be a person with great knowledge and experience.If he can't beat you himself, than he should have another student that can beat you up so you can learn something. That student preferably would have had his own butt kicked by the teacher at some point. 
Last edited by fa_jing; 08-14-2002 at 07:49 PM.
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#11
08-15-2002, 02:05 AM
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I voted "yes".
If you're going to a Martial Art school to learn how to fight and defend yourself, then yes, your teacher should be able to kick your butt. If my teacher can't beat me in fighting, then I have nothing to learn from him. I'll go to church and the gym for spiritual,moral development and aerobics.
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#12
08-15-2002, 02:45 AM
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Your teacher should be "one who has gone before"
He has a lot more experience in the art you´re studying (may it be sil lum or what ever) Therefore,his technique is of higher level than yours,so he has something to teach to you that you don´t know.
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#13
08-15-2002, 02:53 AM
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i say yes
With my martial art experience i find that with a really great sensei, seeing them spar or show how effect a certain self-defense move is with another instructor motivates me to become better everyday.
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-“Sometimes a knife is better than a gun and sometimes barehanded is better than a knife,” Grand Master Pan “In a war, an army fires a cannon ball to destroy the enemy”“Your punch must be like that cannon ball”
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#14
08-15-2002, 03:04 AM
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Peace.
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#15
08-15-2002, 03:27 AM
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depends
Depends why you're studying that art - to be an efficient kung fu fighter or have beautiful forms. If it's forms it is not important, what is important is that your sifu is graceful and can bring out the best in you.
It is important to me that my Sifu can fight as I am studying it to be proficient in kung fu style fighting (in class at least - I am no thug!)
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