What the grapplers think of us

[Crimson Phoenix]

Okie, did I get your attention?
Well, of course, thanks heaven it's not all grapplers...but check what I have found about us (the forum they refer to in the thread is cyberkwoon).
That's scary and pityful...these guys have the typical kungfu movie stereotypes that all of us dropped an eternity ago already...ahhh well...
judge by yourself:

http://www.mma.tv/TUF/DisplayMessage...88&P=131&FID=1

[Xebsball]

Yeah most those guys suck, dont mind them

[ewallace]

What can I say? Dumbfuckasitas thrives in all climates.

[Gabriel]

Yeah most of em are obtuse idiots, but if you read through parts of the thread, you'll see there's those who have a healthy respect for CMA. Diamonds in the rough, eh?

[scotty1]

If you read the Cyberkwoon thread they're referring to you'll see why.

The stereotypes are annoying though.

But who gives a f*ck, really?

[Xebsball]

Yeah **** em ****ers

[rogue]

"these guys have the typical kungfu movie stereotypes that all of us dropped an eternity ago already"

While I don't agree with what they say I think many KF people still perpetrate the KF movie stereotype(Anybody remember the giant Jet Li thread?). Look at the covers of KFM, everytime the culture of CMA is presented ( monks, postures, traditional garb, people trying to look like animals) the stereotype is reinforced. I think if the cultural parts were dropped and the combat shown on it's own it would get more respect, but it seems that the cultural parts are part of the lure of CMA for many and as important as the combatives, so that isn't going to happen. So if you're happy doing what you're doing who cares what others think.

[rubthebuddha]

similar stereotypes we have, and the same problems. a lot of CMA people think "bah, they can't touch me and my mighty ___ technique," then get dropped and broken." on the flipside, a lot of grappling folks think "bah, they can't hit me hard enough to stop my charge," then get knocked unconcscious by a palm to the back of the head as they're shooting in.

honestly, i doubt those people on that link have ever even watched live CMA and I'd wager that they think that what they see on TV late at night is what qualifies for good, stout CMA.

it's just the ignorant and naive pretending to sound experienced.

[DelicateSound]

So what, ignorance is rife.

I don't understand why they try to "educate" us. It's not like they're getting our subscription fees to MMA mag!

I respect grappling [my main BG] but like any art is isn't the be all and end all.

ANY art can be effective, under the hands of a skilled practitioner. The grappling craze was so effective as many people were ignorant of it. We learned to respect it. Any grappler that's met a decent CMA guy [as I did] know what it can do, and to respect it.



However, you learn what you like to learn. If these guys like MMA, that's cool, we all like different things.

If they are ignorant of CMA, that's OK - if they ever meet a DECENT CMA on the street they'll get licked through ignorance alone.

Each to their own. So they "insult" us. I am confident in my choice and that is all that matters. Why take notice of ignorant people?

[rubthebuddha]

point taken.

[DelicateSound]

'Ts OK dude, just remember that 99% of people know jack. Be they MMA or CMA. The grapplers like Merry and Ryu that make a decent, considered case for grappling are the ones we should listen to.

[Merryprankster]

Me? Considerate? That's a first...

Oh, never mind--you said considered...my mistake

[dre]

Wow , only another reason to hate BJJ. How surprising.

[Merryprankster]

Stolen from cyberkwoon:

Anyone here have experience pitting kung fu against a grappling art in a sparring situation? I?m working on ways to protect against a take-down. (they come in low to grab the knees). The key seems to be the timing of the counter-attack during the take-down attempt. Any thoughts or advice?

I?m considering the following strategies...

- Front kick to face. Straight forward & brutal but not nice to do to a friend. Also, I suppose there might be a danger in having that leg caught.

- Mandarin-Duck Kick (double kick) to face. See above but with a little deception, perhaps reducing the opponent?s ability to grasp the kicking leg?

- Donkey kick to the face. (kicking with both feet out of a hand-stand) Would take some work on speed, but I can see some advantages to this approach and it would look way-cool. Again, it wouldn?t be a nice thing to do to a friend, but if I were to miss with the kick, I think I?d end up in an advantageous position on the back of my opponent anyway.

- Cau Liem Cuoc (sp?) to face (turning back kick along the mid-line of the body---ouch) Again, not very nice...

-Deep Stance. Shifting weight forward onto plant-leg in bow stance while striking.

Deep Stance & downward elbow strike to the top of the head---yes, I know, this is a vital-point strike and a good way to kill someone. I won't use it.

Anyone tried these or any other techniques?

Wow, only another reason to make fun of Kung Fu. How surprising.

Let's face it--each art has its version of arrogance and incompetence.

On the upshot, at least he was asking for advice.

[dre]

For the sake or argument, lets say every KF guy is a total
f u c k t a r d. All of them, each and every one.

Now let's take a low estimate, and say 75% of all BJJ'ers are FT's.

That would mean that there are still a lot more BJJ FT's than KF FT's.

I know you'll say "there are nice BJJ'ers out there, they wallow in humility, and bow before all". I don't belive it though. They think they're so hot, and no one's going to tell them different. BJJ'ers are loud , obnoxious people by all accounts. Period.

They know it all, and they feel like telling you about it.

They have a 99% FT rate, the other 1% , being in Denial.