Main difference between these main classes-CMA-KMA-JMA

[Former castleva]

Korean,Japanese and of course Chinese MA.
They probably are linked to each other in a way or another.What do you think?

[Merryprankster]

Well, it's like this:

Kalari Payattu, an ancient and powerful Indian Art, probably called something different in every dialect on the subcontinent, came out of India and was brought to China
in the form of physical exercise for Shaolin Monks, who adopted it and it became the foundation for Kung Fu. No competitions ever existed in Kalari Payattu--it's a killing art, not a fighting art.

However, what the Shaolin Monks learned was watered down Kalari Payattu. It didn't have all of the original techniques, and even a great Kung Fu master
is no match for for a decent practitioner of indigenous Indian Arts, which have flawlessly integrated all necessary techniques and types of training for combat. Basically, the Shaolin Monks didn't have the patience or strength of will to master the traditional methods of training in Kalari Payattu.

Be that as it may, different splinter groups of CMA appeared, each more watered down than the last, each containing only a piece of the original Kalari Payattu.
They tried to fill up the holes with bits and pieces of stuff here and there, but it was largely a "made-up," effort with no real lineage to Kalari Payattu. Each claimed to be a "refined "powerful style, but the truth is that they were just watered down, and no match for the original.

Then, a system or two of CMA, which, as we've already established, are just watered down versions of Kalari Payattu made it to Okinawa and Japan. The Japanese and Okinawans took it and watered it down even further, losing even more nuance and subtlety along the way. Eventually, even these watered down Japanese imitations of the already watered down CMA's had their own splinters which contained even fewer of the techniques and essence of Kalari Payattu. Some called themselves Karate, others called themselves Jujutsu, etc. It really didn't matter since these JMA styles were so watered down, even compared to the already heavily watered down CMA styles!

Korea has had contact with both the Japanese and the Chinese for much of their history, so it is natural to expect that they had received the watered down CMA and JMA as well. Eventually, they managed to somehow water all this down even further and we wind up with such arts as Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do, which contain almost nothing of the original arts


So, as you can see, all of these so called arts are just a very poor excuse for the real Indian arts, which take time, dedication and lots of practice to master. Unfortunately, nobody wants to live the warrior way any more. It's just too hard for people today, who are lazy and don't have the patience or willpower to reap the beneifts of rigorous traditional training, so they make due with weak training and *******ized systems found in CMA, JMA, and KMA styles.

[Chang Style Novice]

You are a real goofball sometimes, MP. Must be the name.

[ewallace]

The difference is CMA is the only one of the three that I will have anything to do with

[NafAnal]

Probably a fair bit of truth to what Mp said

[old jong]

Maybe we should all get back to hitting to the head with a bone?...

[NafAnal]

I got hit on the head with a bone once. well it felt like a real bone. Some wierd legalised riot in greece. It hurt.

[Chang Style Novice]

Look, just because something is changed doesn't make it watered down. It may be refined for a different purpose, it may be expanded for more applications, it may simply be adapted to different technology, tactics, or culture.

To claim that one thing is better than another begs the question "better for what?" And you need a really specific answer, not a one-word generalization like 'fighting.'

Fighting in what circumstances? With what equipment? What kind of opponent? Day or night? Sport or combat?

Surely, all martial arts have their uses, or they wouldn't exist. If Kalari Pattayu was the be-all and end-all of martial arts, why would anyone have developed the others?

[mantis-1]

I almost fell asleep reading that stuff by MP...has any one considered that these arts where invented by a lost civilisation, strong facts of these civilisations can be found off the coast of many countries india, japan, south america, malta etc. maybe this is the reason that we don't know how for example the pyramids where built . All civilisations and religions have similar events. Whole races of people wiped out by a huge deluge...maybe these arts that we love so much where invented by these people, and why tracing styles/origins is near impossible or why bits of styles are forgotten or lost, anyway time for me to go home, work has been a bi@tch. Just a thought that has been going around in my head.

[NafAnal]

MP was probably trolling.

[Merryprankster]

I prefer to think of it as satire...

[Chang Style Novice]

I think technically it's called "Merrily Pranking" when he does it.

[old jong]

...Well ,I'm really wondering why it was changed in the beginning ? It looks so much more practical and down to hearth than all these pale and watered down off-shots!

[dwid]

It's amazing to me that people didn't see it as a joke in the first place. I lauged my arse off reading that. Do you guys really think MP would talk so lowly of the Japanese arts, of which by this logic, Brazilian JiuJitsu is an even more watered-down version?

The question starting the thread didn't warrant a more serious reply. There's more variation withing any one of those country's arts than there could possibly be between them.

Heres another engaging question, what's the major differences between American boxing, Canadian boxing, and British boxing?

[Sho]

It's said that the founder of Hapkido took principles from Japanese Jujutsu while working in Japan and combined them with TKD techniques and tradition. That's why hapkido has quite large variety of kansetsu waza.