Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[shen ku]

look here shaolingrandmaster.com master mullins is listed here, he is not listed on the shaolin do association website, that is just a smaller group within a group.

[Empty_Cup]

Originally Posted by hiphippo

Hi everybody. New member here and new to martial arts in general. Judge Penn or any Knoxville natives still hanging around? Recently started training in the area and am enjoying the classes a bunch.

Welcome...
Keep an open mind and thick skin here, there are plenty of trolls and flame wars. Don't let it curb your enthusiasm to train in whatever system you choose.

[Old Noob]

Originally Posted by hiphippo

Traditional Shaolin is the name of the school - my teacher's name is Daniel Mattson. From what I've read he studied under Elder Master Gary Mullins in the Shaolin-Do system. However, Mullins name doesn't appear to be listed on the Shaolin-Do website with other masters' names. I know in the past (perhaps still?) there has been a lot of controversy surrounding the lineage of Shaolin-Do and the claims made by its' Grandmaster. I just want to state that this isn't really a concern of mine and I'm simply bringing it up for the sake of curiosity.

I suppose I'm simply asking if Gary Mullins and those under him are still part of the Shaolin-Do system or if they've perhaps tried to distance themselves from it somehow? Also, what is the general state of the Shaolin-Do system as of present? I could ask my teacher but I have not been there long and I feel it would be somewhat disrespectful.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to discussing Kung Fu with everyone on this forum and hopefully learning a lot and making some new friends. Take care.

Welcome. Though this thread is very long, its an interesting read that will answer many, if not all of your questions. To your main question, though, SD is now divided into three major branches (with some notable exceptions). The Shaolin Do association branch includes the original school in Lexington and is overseen by Bill Leonard. The school under that banner are primarily in KY, Ohio, Texas, and a few other places. Theres a second branch under Mullins, which I beleive may have subdivided in some way with grooms. These schools use the name Shaolin Do, but practice in sams rather than gis. They primarily function in TN, WV, GA, and Florida, with some recent additions out west. The third branch is out west and generally uses the name Chinese Shaolin Centers rather than Shaolin Do, though they still wear gis for training. That branch is run by the Soards. Though there was some sort of undetailed falling out among Leonard/Mullins/Soards that split SD into the three major divisions, all of those "elder masters" are still tight with Sin The. That's why you'll see their schools listed on Sin The's website but not on the SDA website or the Lexington school's website.

In addition to the three major SD factions, there are some splitters (used in a non-perjorative way) in TN and out west. Some of these folks have gone independant due to sex abuse scandals involving the Soards out west and others have gone independant because of Sin The's penchant for dishonesty regarding the origins of the SD material.

I think that about sums it up. Others can add/subtract/disagree with if you wish.

[Empty_Cup]

Originally Posted by Old Noob

Welcome. Though this thread is very long, its an interesting read that will answer many, if not all of your questions. To your main question, though, SD is now divided into three major branches (with some notable exceptions). The Shaolin Do association branch includes the original school in Lexington and is overseen by Bill Leonard. The school under that banner are primarily in KY, Ohio, Texas, and a few other places. Theres a second branch under Mullins, which I beleive may have subdivided in some way with grooms. These schools use the name Shaolin Do, but practice in sams rather than gis. They primarily function in TN, WV, GA, and Florida, with some recent additions out west. The third branch is out west and generally uses the name Chinese Shaolin Centers rather than Shaolin Do, though they still wear gis for training. That branch is run by the Soards. Though there was some sort of undetailed falling out among Leonard/Mullins/Soards that split SD into the three major divisions, all of those "elder masters" are still tight with Sin The. That's why you'll see their schools listed on Sin The's website but not on the SDA website or the Lexington school's website.

In addition to the three major SD factions, there are some splitters (used in a non-perjorative way) in TN and out west. Some of these folks have gone independant due to sex abuse scandals involving the Soards out west and others have gone independant because of Sin The's penchant for dishonesty regarding the origins of the SD material.

I think that about sums it up. Others can add/subtract/disagree with if you wish.

Might also add the separate school under Hsiang The, Sin's brother. Whether he would ever admit to being part of "Shaolin-Do" in the first place is a different question...

[Old Noob]

Originally Posted by Empty_Cup

Might also add the separate school under Hsiang The, Sin's brother. Whether he would ever admit to being part of "Shaolin-Do" in the first place is a different question...

Yes! Good catch. And important given the lineage revelations of the last few pages.

[hiphippo]

Originally Posted by Old Noob

Welcome. Though this thread is very long, its an interesting read that will answer many, if not all of your questions. To your main question, though, SD is now divided into three major branches (with some notable exceptions). The Shaolin Do association branch includes the original school in Lexington and is overseen by Bill Leonard. The school under that banner are primarily in KY, Ohio, Texas, and a few other places. Theres a second branch under Mullins, which I beleive may have subdivided in some way with grooms. These schools use the name Shaolin Do, but practice in sams rather than gis. They primarily function in TN, WV, GA, and Florida, with some recent additions out west. The third branch is out west and generally uses the name Chinese Shaolin Centers rather than Shaolin Do, though they still wear gis for training. That branch is run by the Soards. Though there was some sort of undetailed falling out among Leonard/Mullins/Soards that split SD into the three major divisions, all of those "elder masters" are still tight with Sin The. That's why you'll see their schools listed on Sin The's website but not on the SDA website or the Lexington school's website.

In addition to the three major SD factions, there are some splitters (used in a non-perjorative way) in TN and out west. Some of these folks have gone independant due to sex abuse scandals involving the Soards out west and others have gone independant because of Sin The's penchant for dishonesty regarding the origins of the SD material.

I think that about sums it up. Others can add/subtract/disagree with if you wish.

Thank you for the info, Old Noob. I've skimmed through this thread but it is quite long! I appreciate the summary!

[BrotherLove]

CHI FOO HSIO
At an inn in North China, Chi Hsio Foo through the day on his way to Harbin. Coincide once, spend the night there was also a Kung Fu expert surnamed Sun. Both Kung Fu expert is pitted intelligence, but as a teacher of renown Kung Fu Chi Hsio Foo was not able to beat his opponent with various science which he inherited from his teacher that So Sin and Sen Wang Li Thing. Then change the Foo Chi Hsio fighting techniques using Tsiao Kuan. Opponents who do not suspect techniques Tsiao Kuan changes can be defeated. Foo Chi Hsio excellence recognized by Kung Fu expert surnamed Sun, and after that they become good friends.

Foo Chi Hsio get the impression that the science used Sun Kung Fu is very good. Perfect preservation, agile movements and very practical, so he intended going to learn it. But his companions refused to teach her the fine by arguing that he used was Toanta heritage that should not be revealed to anyone outside the clan Sun. Foo Chi Hsio not despair. As a Kung Fu expert who has extensive knowledge he exhibited various Kung Fu formidable armed, among others, with Zinc Pien, ie 5 m long rope that berujungkan sharp iron like a cigar shape and make famous mastery in North China. By the time he demonstrated Seng Pien, diperlihatkannya a stratagem called Thi Qwee, the movement where the arms were wrapped around the rope many times on the forehead and then went straight straight up to attack his opponent who is on top, after the end of a sharp fall right in before him. This stratagem can only be done by a handful of experts across North Chungkuo. Looking at the Sun became very interested and in the end both the Kung Fu expert knowledge exchange. Foo Chi Hsio obtain toanta Sun who later brought to Indonesia.

In a fair chance in the Dutch colonial era, Foo Chi Hsio asked to lift the dumbbell up many times by the Dutch who at that time was very jumawa showing off his strength. Until such insistence that Hsio Foo Chi can not resist anymore and said "Okay, I'll try to answer it, maybe I am not strong." Apparently iron that weighs 89 kg easily lifted into the air and twisted around by his neck using techniques Seng Pien is skillfully mastered. The next thing was played with both feet. Dutch people who intend to show off the pale pale face and embarrassed.

[Judge Pen]

Originally Posted by hiphippo

Hi everybody. New member here and new to martial arts in general. Judge Penn or any Knoxville natives still hanging around? Recently started training in the area and am enjoying the classes a bunch.

Yes I'm still hanging around. Old Noob summed up the factions in SD rather concisely. Daniel is an excellent teacher and a contemporary of mine. I hope you enjoy your training and don't get caught up in all the drama and politics.

[hiphippo]

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

Yes I'm still hanging around. Old Noob summed up the factions in SD rather concisely. Daniel is an excellent teacher and a contemporary of mine. I hope you enjoy your training and don't get caught up in all the drama and politics.

Thank you - I'm enjoying it very much so far. Daniel seems like he has a lot to offer and I'm enjoying the internal stuff as much if not more than the other material. Just trying to act like a sponge and absorb as much as possible.

[Snipsky]

this is how students of Shaolin Do train....

[kwaichang]

Which one is YOU. Front or Back, giver or receiver. KC