Starting iron palm

[Boston Bagua]

Thanks Brother.

I am very glad I can offer real medicine to those seeking it.

[goju]

yeah im gonna be buying some herbs from dales company to use in my makiwara training as well its extremely well priced

[Lokhopkuen]

Originally Posted by goju

yeah im gonna be buying some herbs from dales company to use in my makiwara training as well its extremely well priced

Incorrigible....

[David Jamieson]

Originally Posted by goju

yeah im gonna be buying some herbs from dales company to use in my makiwara training as well its extremely well priced

makiwara is inferior to iron palm training techniques.
Primitive by comparison.

Just noting it. You should switch. I've done both and makiwara in retrospect was a waste of time comparatively. But, if it's what you want and all you know, by all means, go right ahead.

[goju]

oh i have to respectfully disagree
while i know the iron palm is a very useful and powerful training method i know for a fact my strike from makiwara training is just as powerful as alot of peoples iron palm

the methods may be crude in comparison to the chinese way but if youve ever felt a punch from a karateka whos been doing makiwara training for most of their life youll understand

but if the oppurtunity is present i would not mind learning ip but being that theres an incredible shortage of good martial art schools in colorado ill have to wait until move next year

[Lucas]

i just prevented a bank robbery *flex*

[goju]

Originally Posted by Lucas

i just prevented a bank robbery *flex*

did the bank robber happen to looks like this?

[Lucas]

lol, not quite. he's been apprehended. another serial bank robber off the street

[sanjuro_ronin]

Originally Posted by goju

oh i have to respectfully disagree
while i know the iron palm is a very useful and powerful training method i know for a fact my strike from makiwara training is just as powerful as alot of peoples iron palm

the methods may be crude in comparison to the chinese way but if youve ever felt a punch from a karateka whos been doing makiwara training for most of their life youll understand

but if the oppurtunity is present i would not mind learning ip but being that theres an incredible shortage of good martial art schools in colorado ill have to wait until move next year

To quote our mutual Sensei, Morio Higaonna, " Makiwara is but the beginning stage of tettsui-te ( iron hand) training".
We had a discussion about CMA IP methods and that is what he said.
Of course he was into CMA IP methods so perhaps he was a tad bias.

[Boston Bagua]

makiwara training will not develop this kind of power.

I have the softest hands if and when you ever meet me, but I can hit very hard without having disfigured and obviously forged hands.

[YouKnowWho]

The IP can train your:

- flat palm
- back of your palm
- palm edge
- palm heel
- fingers

Not sure Makiwara can train you all those areas. If you put Makiwara flat on the table, a Makiwara, telephone book, or IP bag won't make much difference IMO.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The advantage that a makiwara has over typical IP training is that the makiwars, because you are hitting it in a more "direct" way, strengthens the wrist, elbow and shoulder in lines with the strike being performed.
Of course this is "irrelevant" if you are doing any kind of serious HB work along with your IP.
Or doing hanging IP work.

[David Jamieson]

makiwara has no more value than a good heavy bag.

it will callous up your knuckles and you will self correct your structure so you don't have poorly positioned wrists when you strike it.

It is rarely laid flat though. usually it is attached to a wall or a post.

It is predominantly for developing the straight punch and hardening the rams head of the fist.

It is definitely not the same as iron skills for the hands that you find in tcma.
Not even using the direct method!

[goju]

Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin

To quote our mutual Sensei, Morio Higaonna, " Makiwara is but the beginning stage of tettsui-te ( iron hand) training".
We had a discussion about CMA IP methods and that is what he said.
Of course he was into CMA IP methods so perhaps he was a tad bias.

oh i know and there are bag striking methods in okinawans karate as well even with makiwara there is a way to go about striking it alot of people assume you just essentially hold your breath tense up and pound your fist into a board in the ground with out any thought but it is generally more complex than that

[goju]

you can train all areas of your hand with the makiwara

also the chinese have other methods of conditioning than the ip bag even ones that are generally crude like tree punching