Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[brucereiter]

Originally Posted by OTD

Does any one know the starting date of CSC-Atlanta under Master Gary Grooms?
Where did Master Gary Start his training in SD and who was his Original Teacher?
What year did Master Gary get his 1st Degree Black Belt?
OTD

I think master gary started in 1982 with the soards in Denver and then after moving to atlanta in the mid 1980's started visiting some Kentucky schools for training which I suppose lead to him taking private lessons with Gm the'.

I do not know when he got his black belt but it must have been in the mid to late 1980's.

[brucereiter]

Originally Posted by bodhi warrior

Do have experience with grooms? If so just curious how he stacks up with the other masters outside of sd.

Yes, I have lots of experience with him. He is my primary tai chi chuan teacher.
He has a very pragmatic view of martial arts and I think in many areas he exceeds what teachers from other systems offer. The biggest thing he taught me was how to learn and how to test my material.

If you are looking for words like qua and dang and Shen fa to be used in instruction you will not get it. He speaks and teaches in american/English terms.

[Leto]

The Soards' CSC handbook has the 64 rules in it. Every CSC student gets a copy of them. I don't know when they first got the rules, but it is reasonable to think Grooms might have gotten the rules from them. I'm surprised to hear so many people never knew them, we reviewed them repeatedly over the course of the three months alotted to baguazhang. (Three months is not enough, but it's more than they give to anything else)

[bodhi warrior]

Originally Posted by OTD

1974 - Pa Kua seminars, Hand written notes, Hand Drawn- no rules - Sticky hand & Feet, 2-man exercises. However GMS did go over the rules and gave some examples.. if you could do 'shorthand' you would have gotten the info. When GMS announced he would do a Pa Kua seminar in '79, a few of the Black belts agreed to type out the original notes and leave space for the Pinyin names. GMS said' In that case let's add in the 64 rules". So we agreed to type the rules and he added the Pinyin Characters
1979 - Pa Kua Seminars, Type Written notes w/rules - hand written Pinyin Characters - Added Fighting techniques and 1 - 5 Level training - Blindfold Sticky hands/feet.
1982 - Spring Soards move to Denver
1983 - Pa Kua Seminars Sports Center, Type written w/rules - hand written Pinyin Characters, Fighting Techniques, 1-5 Level Training Single/Double Sticky Hands/Feet, 2-Man Exercises

I could be wrong, however, the Original notes have a distingushing feature that dates Them and the original typed do as well.

OTD

What was the 1-5 level training exactly?

[Baqualin]

Hey All...still alive and still watching the madness from the trees. I have to agree with OTD (hello my friend!) I took the 79 seminar, which was really a special class once a week for 2 or 3 months (getting old)...all the notes, 64 rules, palms and training levels were given to us. Everthing was covered in class and being that Tai Chi 64 & Classical Pakua were the only internal forms taught at that time, all levels were learning them and it was easy to get extra instruction (especially push hands) long after the class. He taught it as a special class in the mid 90's the same way with all the handouts. There's no reason that any teacher wouldn't have the notes to share. Peace

[Shaolin Wookie]

Some guy named Joshua Grant was on American Ninja Warrior (season 2) Midwest prelims. He made it to the obstacle called the "Lamp Ramp" or something like that, but then fell into the water, probably due to his bad wrist.

Anyways, they did a short little expose on him before his run. It showed 3 clips of him doing some forms---one of the Brown Belt cranes, Fei Hu Chu Tung, and something else that looked like maybe Tang Lang Quan.


He looked like a bright kid, in great shape, and a pretty talented parkour runner on the side.

[bodhi warrior]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie

Some guy named Joshua Grant was on American Ninja Warrior (season 2) Midwest prelims. He made it to the obstacle called the "Lamp Ramp" or something like that, but then fell into the water, probably due to his bad wrist.

Anyways, they did a short little expose on him before his run. It showed 3 clips of him doing some forms---one of the Brown Belt cranes, Fei Hu Chu Tung, and something else that looked like maybe Tang Lang Quan.


He looked like a bright kid, in great shape, and a pretty talented parkour runner on the side.

I saw that! I soon as I heard black belt in shaolin Kung fu it got my attention. Watching him do pieces of forms confirmed a shaolin do practitioner. They showed some of his free running clips, and he had some impressive skill.

[themeecer]

Originally Posted by bodhi warrior

I saw that! I soon as I heard black belt in shaolin Kung fu it got my attention. Watching him do pieces of forms confirmed a shaolin do practitioner. They showed some of his free running clips, and he had some impressive skill.

Any idea of the exact episode number?

[bodhi warrior]

Originally Posted by themeecer

Any idea of the exact episode number?

It was the Midwest regional. He studied in Illinois. Even with a bad wrist still got top 15 and headed to Vegas.

[kungfujunky]

Originally Posted by brucereiter

Yes, I have lots of experience with him. He is my primary tai chi chuan teacher.
He has a very pragmatic view of martial arts and I think in many areas he exceeds what teachers from other systems offer. The biggest thing he taught me was how to learn and how to test my material.

If you are looking for words like qua and dang and Shen fa to be used in instruction you will not get it. He speaks and teaches in american/English terms.

Bruce we still need to get together and train man!

You are spot on with your assessment of Master Gary. My thoughts exactly.

[sanjuro_ronin]

There is a vast difference between the myths of origins of a TCMA and someone MAKING stuff up and PASSING it as a legit tradition.

[David Jamieson]

Originally Posted by BrotherLove

Sorry I didn't see the vastness of the difference here…I stand corrected. Actually, I just didn't want to see this thread drop off the first page just in case any one had something interesting to say.

Trust me, we are thousands of posts in and hundreds of pages and nothing really interesting has been said.

Most folk know that Sin The is a lark and full of hooey. But hey, people like his workout etc.

It doesn't make him less full of it and super sketchy with his history.

If people want that, they can have it. take it! It's all yours!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Originally Posted by BrotherLove

Sorry I didn't see the vastness of the difference here…I stand corrected. Actually, I just didn't want to see this thread drop off the first page just in case any one had something interesting to say.

If I make up a system from scratch (almost impossible to then now or in the past by the way) and decide to "make up" a story about how it came to me while watching a tiger fight an elephant, that is one thing.
If I take what I know from my many systems that I learned and call it "fighting taco" and say that it was given to me by a shaolin monk then that is another, agreed?

[brucereiter]

What happened to the first post from kung fu fan and the post with genes advice to use the search function to learn if it's real or not?

[OldandUsed]

shhhhhhh! We will never get to 1,000 if you insist on following the rules.