Breathing?

[Marshdrifter]

In another thread, Yuanfen had mentioned "proper breath
control" and it got me to thinking.

I know that other arts teach a student how to breath when
performing that art, but what about Wing Chun? I'm sure I'm
going to get a lot of different answers on this, but what are
you all being taught as far as breathing goes?

As for me, I was always taught to breathe normally with the
abdomen and to never hold my breath.

[whippinghand]

Holding the breath is important.

[Marshdrifter]

Originally posted by whippinghand
Holding the breath is important.

How so?

[fgxpanzerz]

I think what whippinghand means is that if yor not breathing yor already dead. In that case, hopefully u were a millionare and yor family is taken care of. And that'll be the last fight u ever lose. So in the end... u won!


If yor gonna hold yor breathe, u might as well hold yor c0ck at the same time. Either or will produce the above effects.

[Matrix]

Originally posted by whippinghand
Holding the breath is important. .......because it's wrong.

Matrix

[EmptyCup]

WhippingHand -

[Holding the breath is important.]

and when you get hit you lose it all...

...and while you are gasping for air you get your face worked on...


great. You sure showed us your "complete" knowledge :D please do not moderate this...feels like a facist forum or something...

fgxpanzerz -

lolllllllllll glad I read that before it gets moderated...


Marshdrifter -

During practice, I breathe normally. With my diaphragm and not my chest. During fighting, I dont' notice my breathing :D

I do know that my sifu would breathe out in quick short breaths when attacking! Guess it helps the concentration...many other stylist breathe out when hitting solid objects to generate more force. Personally I don't use it. Too much to think about when fighting. Most last a few seconds anyways so why bother?

[Roy D. Anthony]

Holding your breath is one method of Qigung training. One shouldn't knock it, if one does not understand it.:)

[S.Teebas]

No way is holding your breath good!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JasBourne]

Breathe normally and stay relaxed. Numbah One Rule in Wing Chun: relax.

:cool:

[Roy D. Anthony]

As I said....holding your breath, is used in some kinds of Qi Gung. Sorry to say S.Teebas, and taught by one of the best Qi Gung teachers in China.:)

[EmptyCup]

there are alot of chi gung teachers in china. who's "one of the best"? yes, holding it is used...for certain things and in certian contexts. but chi gung is all about breathing and breath manipulation anyways. the words chi and prana began with the word "breath"

btw, why do you sound suspiciously like whipping hand? hmmm...

[Roy D. Anthony]

Thank you for agreeing Empty Cup. Sifu Hau is deemed as one of the best in China and is considered one of the Chinese Living Treasures for his QiGung methods, and also lives in Toronto.
BTW.......holding your breath is also a breath manipulation.*S*

[EmptyCup]

[Sifu Hau is deemed as one of the best in China and is considered one of the Chinese Living Treasures for his QiGung methods, and also lives in Toronto. ]

I hope you're not talking about Hau Su Ying...

and if you are, he no longer lives in Toronto...he's ion Taiwan making big bucks
:D his techniques are good but he's not what he seems...


[BTW.......holding your breath is also a breath manipulation.*S*]

whippy wasn't talking about chi kung. holding your breath in an external kung fu does nothing but make it dangerous for the person doing it.

[Roy D. Anthony]

I don't think that, whippy hands response was directed to any subject....it only said Holding your breath is important.
Great about Sifu Hau all the luck to him.
Empty cup..have you ever studied his method?...I have and holding breath is one of the methods he uses.

[EmptyCup]

have you studied his "hard" chi gung or his "soft" chi gung?

I knew him since I was a little kid...brings back the memories...I heard that his older son passed away but don't know how true that is. He was a good boxer, I remember nobody wanted to fight him :)

I don't do his chi gung. His hard chi gung is the real deal and he is one of the top in China. But higher chi gung is more than that. I do one that really is from one of the top. One of the 10. It's not Buddhist like Hau's but Taoist.

I do practice forms of holding the breath in my chi gung but it is much more than that. The simplest one was made by Lu Dongbin and Wong Chong Yeung and goes something like this:

pore breathing in for amount of time. hold for amount of time. pore breathing out an amount of time.

done sitting or walking on grass.


btw, have you seen his hard chi gung skills?!?! that is something people on this board have a hard time understanding...

[whippinghand]

Originally posted by EmptyCup
holding your breath in an external kung fu does nothing but make it dangerous for the person doing it. [/B]Anything that's real and that works seems to be dangerous for you EmptyCup. Perhaps you should go back to your first love: Karate.

[EmptyCup]

your post shows your ignorance. People who make fun of other styles forget that it is not the style that makes the fighter but the man.

there are karate guys out there that would deflate that ego of yours. you don't seem to get out too often. when's the last time you fought? and kindergarten doesn't count...

[Roy D. Anthony]

I have seen him demonstrate his skills...remember I was an organizer for many of the CCKSF.....and United Wushu federation for the longest methods. i studies his hard methods...but taught to me by my Sifu, as he learned them from him.
I also learned the soft style that is called Hm Kam Mei......or Five Animal Frolics.
It is a pity about his son. He was a great Boxer I hear.:)

[EmptyCup]

so you've never met him personally? ah.... i see. Did you know that the Canadian government did testing on him? Couldn't find what made him special...science...bah! :p

Did his hard methods work for you? He had the skills no doubt but he didn't exactly teach his secrets...his soft chi gung...well...I better not get into that here as people generally don't react well to any perceived criticism of sifus or lineages...

So he did pass away then? It's true? Do you know how? He wasn't great at boxing, he just couldn't be hurt :) He used to punch solid steel plates with his bare knuckles. That guy was a killer...had callouses the size of walnuts...but his dad had hands as soft as a girl's...

so he demonstrated at events? wasn't aware of that. only knew that did at CNE before...bent road pipes and smashed granite. Ever since seeing him, watching karate breakers with spacers and others has been a yawn. :p

If your sifu ever sees him again, tell him to tell Hau the name "Wang Liping". I promised somebody I'd do that one day but don't see that in the near future :D

[Roy D. Anthony]

Of Course I met him...remember I helped organize the kung fu demos all over toronto and Scarborough. I just never studied directly from him. Remember , i'm the guai Lo who sang the National Anthem at all these events.

[EmptyCup]

next time there is a martial arts event, let me know.

You're not whippy's alter-ego are you? Do you know him if not?

so answer my question :) did his hard chi gung techniques work for you?

if I ever have a chance to meet you at one of these events I'd like to tell you something about him that would blow your mind. The problem is, gwai los tend to worship teachers like him and then you'd be even more in awe :D

j/k...no offense intended :D

besides Hau sifu, there are a few more men and women like him with uh, strange abilities that I've met. The rest, they make him seem normal!

[Frank Exchange]

Back to the topic.

Someone once asked Wong Shun Leung how they should breathe in Wing Chun.

He answered: "So that you don't die".

:)

[Nichiren]

Nice one Frank:
Someone once asked Wong Shun Leung how they should breathe in Wing Chun. He answered: "So that you don't die".

Why complicate things? It is amazing what good stamina can do to your breathing... ;)

[whippinghand]

It's amazing what good chi control can do for your stamina.

[fa_jing]

Breathe out during your force moves, like in weightlifting. Breathe diaphragmatically, meaning your diaphragm lowers when you breathe in. There are two schools of thought on the lower abdomen, expanding with the in-breath is called normal abdominal breathing, while contracting with the in-breath is called reverse abdominal breathing. These movements are independent of the movement of the diaphragm.
-FJ

[[Censored]]

It's amazing what good chi control can do for your stamina.

I am reminded of a story about Rumi. One day, he went to deliver a lecture in the town square. He started with the question, "Do you know what I will talk about?" "No," responded the audience. So Rumi went home.

The next day Rumi came back, and started with the same question. The audience shouted "Yes!" So Rumi went home.

But whippinghand doesn't seem to go home? ;)

[EmptyCup]

I don't get it. Please explain Censored as I'm missing the moral of the parable... :confused:

[Merryprankster]

Empty,

I've heard it this way (I mostly just lurk on the WC forum, not being WC. Sometimes I get interested. Eh.)

If you don't know at leas SOMETHING about what somebody is going to talk about, it does no good for the lecturer to talk--it will all go over your head. Might as well go home.

If you know what they are talking about, the lecturer might as well go home, after all, what's the point of staying?

However, from his last comment, it seems that Whipping Hand prefers to stay and go over the heads of those who don't possess his level of knowledge and bore those who do.

And I always seem to spell possess wrong. Sigh.

[EmptyCup]

Prankster

If the lecturer knows what he's talking about but the audience doesn't, then he has an opportunity to educate, no? But if he leaves, he does not help. Whippy stays but instead of educating, he flaunts. He shows off his supposed superior knowledge by 1) mocking others through condescending posts and 2) not sharing anything substantial.

If only those who understand ALREADY know what he is talking about, then he might as well go home b/c 1) he's not helping those who are ignorant and 2) those who already know don't need teaching

btw, you spelled it right :)

[Merryprankster]

You ever heard of "not knowing enough to ask the right question?"

Certain things presuppose a level of knowledge on the part of the audience. I could ask all day about SLT and I wouldn't learn a darn thing. Make sense?

So if they don't know ANYTHING, then there's no point in staying.

If they already know what you're talking about, there's no point in staying.

[EmptyCup]

so if one supposedly knows but is reluctant to share, but only wants to "show" those that ALREADY know that he knows, what should he do?

leave? (it looks harder to follow than it really is. :) )

what should whippinghand do?

[S.Teebas]

If only those who understand ALREADY know what he is talking about, then he might as well go home b/c 1) he's not helping those who are ignorant and 2) those who already know don't need teaching

You CANT teach the internal side of things over the interent! The millimeter fine adjustments and specifice muscles that need to be identified (wheather for need of attention in regards to be used or turned off, or relaxed or used or a myriad of other things is extremely intricate) ...to improve can only be taught in Person!

Yeah unfornunate, but thats life!

[Roy D. Anthony]

Here Here, Well Said S. Teebas.:) I couldn't agree with you more!!!