What other Kind of hakka styles are there besides Southern Mantis

[FIRE HAWK]

What other hakka styles are there besides Southern Mantis and what are the names of there forms ? How do these Hakka styles differ from each other ?

[Rolling_Hand]

In China Kung Fu People don't call their styles as Hakka or Cantonese or Chiu Chow or Kowloon styles, these styles of Kung Fu should be called Nam Keun or Southern Fists.

[FIRE HAWK]

Ok then what other kinds of Hakka Nam kuen or Hakka Southern Fists are there ?

[fiercest tiger]

hakka southern eagle is in hongkong!!

so if a hakka person did northern mantis is that concidered hakka northern mantis? why i ask is because bak mei is still bak mei even if a hakka, cantonese, or english learnt it! no what im saying?:)

[jon]

Hakka styles are charactorised by short explosive power and advance work with the pheonix fist [although there are exceptions] they are also often highly aggressive and believe the best defence is high offence. However as previously stated its a bit of a crocked arguement becouse any style that has been kept in a Hakka family could be classifed as Hakka.
There are however some more famous ones...
Bak Mei - has hakka varients and regular varients
Lung Ying - due to infulence by LYG the style maintains elements of his familys kung fu which was hakka
South Mantis - you know about this one im sure
Li Gar - now spread to the states but still claim a strong hakka influence.
Lau Ga - English Lau is a hakka based art although has now gone totaly public.

This would be the mere tip of the iceberg and only some of the more public ones, there are many many more but most would have never heard of them. They have a nasty habbit of keeping such things in the family;)

[CLOUD ONE]

What does it mean Hakka.
The roots to the systems comes from where?
Hakka styles do not vary that much. There are a few things that binds these systems together, which has to do with lineage.

[jon]

I would venture to say that the reason the systems bare similarity is not due to linage [as that is repective to the system at hand] but rather due to the nature of Hakka people. They were persecuted and discriminated against, so they were forced to stick together like glue and share knowledge premirely amongst one another. The reason im sure the styles bare similarity is becouse they often shared training methods and skills.
LYG and CLC of Lung Ying and Bak Mei respectively were great friends and both had good knowledge of each others respective systems. They are still often taught together to this day.
The Hakka community have always been close knit its more likely that the styles have mixed and matched skills to the point of them baring similarity rather than all of the systems somehow having the exact same seeds.

[FIRE HAWK]

I see what you guys are saying I just thought that there was certain styles that came from the Hakka people only like southern mantis. fiercest tiger i wonder how the hakka Southern Eagle style looks compared to Northern Eagle Claw? I have seen the Hakka Unicorn style and it uses a short Eagle claw and the Phoenix Eye Fist and the two sword finger hand and uses a whipping ging kind of power the form is real short and covers four directions it looks like southern mantis or Pak Mei it also has a Chi Kung section at the begining of the form that looks like it could come from a form of Hung Gar i also seen the Unicorn style done on a wooden dummy this style also has Chi na techniques in it too. Jon so Li Gar and Lau Gar are considered Hakka then and come from the Hakka people . I have herd that there is a Hakka Snake style but i dont know if it comes from the hakka people or not.

[Rolling_Hand]

Bruce Lee was a native Shunda...

Do you call JKD as a Shunda style?

[jon]

Care to explain why Bruce Lee was kicked out of Wing Chun by Yip Man?
Funny how some things are kept in the culture isnt it?

[ji way lung]

right on rolling hand.
where do you guys get your stereotypes of hakka? do you even know any hakka? or you sayin what you've read or been told? :rolleyes: hey maybe good stereotypes for hakka in terms of kung fu, so why spoil the image huh? :p

[GOLDEN ARMOR]

Does anyone have any info on who created Lee Ga & where it came from? Im asking coz it was combined with either Fut or Hung ga & the Shaolin system to create the art im training. The founder of my art learnt Lee Ga from monk Lee Yau San, student of Abbot Ji Sin Sum Si. Some say Lee Yau San created Lee Ga, but i read that a student of the infamous daoist priest Bak Mei founded LG. Is their any websites on LG? Also some info on the style, is there any famous staff or hand sets? Does it look anything like Bak Mei & does it have a main fist or animal? I heard it uses the panther fist, like my style. Does BM use this fist a lot?

[CLOUD ONE]

Hey are you a descendent of the Lee family?

Why do you use JI and Lee as if they were seperate?

Your Si Fu sounds like he is hakka, what is his name and does he have a web site?

I heard that Chong Li Tan got his pole from a Lee Ga master.
The Lee Ga system is very difficult to learn i.e takes years and years of hard work.

[Colin]

Here's a quote from a Lau Gar site:

"Lau Gar Kuen as taught in "London Lau Gar" was introduced to the UK in 1961 by Master Jeremy Yau. Having been taught by his Grand Father "Yau Luk Sau".
Yau Luk Sau was taught by Masters Yang Hoi Ching, and Wan Goon Wing, during the later part of the 19th century.
Master Yau's grand father was of "Hakka" origin, and only spoke the Hakka dialetic, therefore Lau Gar Kung Fu as taught in the UK could be described as a Hakka style, akin to similar systems such as Bak Mei, Lung Yang, Southern Praying Mantis etc."

Also check out this link:

http://www.acad.polyu.edu.hk/~96981339r/HagGaPeople.htm

It geos into some detail.

regards
Colin..............

[Steven T. Richards]

Not wishing to complicate matters, but my Pai is known as Lee-Gar Tong-Long in parts of S.E.Asia, after Great-Grandmaster Lee-Yin-Sing (Hakka).

Steve.

[Rolling_Hand]

About Hakka???

Check these out...
http://www.asiawind.com/hakka
http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/people.htm

Some famous Hakka ancestor Zhu Xi ( Song Dynasty )
From Zhu Xi to Garrett Gee
http://home.vtmuseum.org/genealogy/hung_fa_yi/

[Rolling_Hand]

Sui-fuw,

There's no harm in wishful thinking.

Maybe there's more to things than meets the eye... just like Wing Chun vs Bak Mei.

[Rolling_Hand]

Building slowly has its merits...
Sil Nim Tao is the first form of Wing Chun - the little idea!

Be prepared to move with the natural flow and order of things in the cosmos. Keep an open mind and let the profound concepts of the ancients come alive, become meaningful, Chum Kil - Seeking the bridge, much of what you've accomplished rides on what you do next. So act, let it make a real difference to your life.

[jon]

I listed a Li Gar as being in the usa.
I meant Ling Gar:rolleyes:
Sorry for any confusion.

[CannonFist]

I think it would be more accurate to group arts under the regions where they originated or are popular in. The main parts of China where the hakka people made their home include Guangxi, Guangdong and Fujian. For example I have some contact with people from the hakka area of Mooi Yuen, Kwangtung who told me that the Mooi Yuen hakka regards Chu Gar as their favoured 'hakka' art, that is with the biggest following. I wonder whether the hakka martial artist in Fujian and Taiwan knows of the usual arts that we associate with hakkas, namely Nam Tong Long, Pak Mei, Lung Ying? I have heard of hakkas in an area in Fujian practising Moi Fa instead of the usual Pak Mei, southern praying mantis etc....

[Chinwoo-er]

Something I found on a site

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Hakka Style ( Hakka Martial Arts. Lijiajiao )

History of the Art ( Information Provided by Ben Guai )

The martial arts style Lijiajiao originated in the areas of Wuhua, Mei county of Guangdong. It is believed that a man named Li Tie-Niu created it. During his years of travelling for trades, he got to know a Shaolin Monk of which he learnt Martial arts from. After years of development, he finally created his own form of Lijiajiao. Over generations of teaching and passing of the art, the are practitioners of this style in the areas of Wuhua, Guangdong , Mei county, Korea, Xingning, Shantau, Puuning among others.

In previous years, Master Chau Fei-Xiong taught this style in Kowloon City. It was noticed that the overall fashion of this art was quite similar to the styles of the Dongjiang Hakka martial arts. Routines are short, moves are simple and direct, many repeated actions in training.

Style's Characteristics:

This school of martial arts uses Fengyanquan, Jianzhan ( sword palm ) and Jianzhi ( arrow fingers ) as the main hand forms. In practice, it is split into Ying and Yang forms. This includes attack and defence, deflect and strike. Both wrists do not leave the chest framework, fast in attack and retreat, and stamping to increase the strength. The power demands Baufali( explosiveness ), Jieli ( Intercepting power ), Huali (deflective power ), Jiaoli/Wanli ( wrist power ). Body movements demand Jinjen. It is by nature a style which faces the enemy square on.

Specially: Powerful fist strikes, small stance, stable lower body, shouting to increase power.

Known Routines

Empty hand.: Sanbu-chezhuan, Jieshou, Ezhan, Chibu-titzwu
Weapons : Gun, Duanshangdao, Qijiebian.
Set Sparring : Sanbu-duichai.

[Shaolin Master]

Cannon makes an important point. In China, martial arts are typically grouped in terms of regions and not necessarily style specific.

This is vital given that same family names are often from different regions and it is the region governing the premise of the styles over and above the name. It is for this reason that there are 8 Hong Ga (all different not too mention varieties within themselves) or 5 Lei Ga's or 6 Yang Styles (not all taiji) etc.........

Of course like all methods of classification there are always limitations of application, but it is more relevant than say North/South or Internal/External which lose credability. This is the reason Current Chinese research often functions in the same manner.

ChinWoo-er,

That is a description of the Hakka Lei Ga Gao sourced from the Hong Kong University groups. The important fact often overseen is that it is one of the families of the DongJiang region. The similarity maybe more than just coincidence.


Rgds,

[CannonFist]

Shaolin Master,

6 Yang styles, so does one of them include the Yang style where the famous Yang family spear stems from and isn't Hung Gar's 5th brother bagua pole form suppose to be Yang style.

[Shaolin Master]

Yang Shi Zha Quan

Yang Shi Qiang & Yang Shi Jian are of Shandong Prov.
Whether this is the same as that of the 5th Bro Staff is a question of History

Yang Shi Taijiquan - Though there are stories of the Yang Shi Qiang from here.
Yang Shi Tuo Zhan Quan
Yang Shi PiguaZhang
etc.... 6 was not a definitive number in as so much as an indicative one.

On a side note-

Wei a Pao

"Lien Gung Bu Lien Jiang, Dau Lau you yi xie cheng"

Meng Ng Meng ga

Train Well

PS : Ngo Gin do lei go san bio - Sum Yi Kuen all d way ah hehehe..
Hei mong nei go Gong Zho ng hai tai san fu ah...

[CannonFist]

Siu Lum Sim Si!!

Gei sat ngo geh san bio tong gau ge, soi yin ng tong bat guo tou hai yat yong, sum yi, ying yi, tung gong, tou hai yat yong :)

Ngo geh san gung yao si hou mong bat guo yao si tou yao dit si gan siong mong hai KFO gong fai wah!!

[Shaolin Master]

Pao Kuen,

Nei Cong dac Aam ah, dou hai yat yeung.
Kei Sat KFO go yan che chung yi cong fai wah, koei dei ng chung zhan wah.... :D
Soi Yin nei go gong zho hai mong nei dou ying goi lin Gong.
Hei mong nei go san nin fai lok.

till soon
:D