Ngo Cho Kun

[ngocho199]

Is anyone in here familiar with the style of Ngo Cho Kun? If so I would like to talk to you about the style - I love learning the history of it and would like to further my understanding and relationship with this style.

[Grays Anatomy]

There is a school in Jersey.

NGO CHO KUN FIVE ANCESTORS FISTS
Sifu Bonifacio Lim
2111 Fox Run Dr.
Plainsboro, NJ. [609] 716-9620

[Shaolin Master]

Wu Zhu Quan
What would you like to know specifically ?
There are two versions to the history and how it was composed ! Either 5 monks(ancestors) or 5 Systems...it depends on who as to what version.

I will most of your direct queries

Shi Chan Long

[Ben Gash]

I have trained in this system in the past. It is a fusion of five styles (which five depends upon the lineage). All agree on Fujian white crane, Taizhu longfist, Lohanquan and monkey. ON the 5th one they vary from Damo style (internal), Shaun Yee sun frost white crane (internal) and tiger.
The training will depend on where you go as well. From what I've seen of Master Lim's stuff, he does a lot of the Taizhu stuff, whereas schools in the Chee Kim Thong lineage place a lot of emphasis on the shorthand crane aspect.
It is an interesting system, and due to it's diverse nature you should be able to find whatever you are looking for.

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

[ngocho199]

Thank you all for your time. i already train under Sifu Bonifacio Lim - a practicing student of 4 years even though i live in nyc. I would like to hear more about the two different 'versions' mentioned above... i find that very interesting.

[pitbull]

can u please trace the lineage of boni lim? he might as well came from manila if im not mistaken...we may have trained from the same master....

[joedoe]

I train under the Chee Kim Thong lineage. I will see what I can dig up about the history of the art according to what I have been taught (which is slightly different to the history taught by the Phillipines lineage I think).

Out of interest, check out these websites:

http://www.gorchor.us/

http://www.geocities.com/kungfu_galaxy/Southern/NgoChor.html

[pitbull]

thank u! i ask this bec bonifaio lim is a filipino chinese name...he may as well migrated from here....

[Shaolin Master]

Histories and origins differ but the art is the same :D

whether Malaysian, Singaporean, Taiwanese, Phillipino or Fujianese ...they are all brothers(and sisters).

The wuzu family is a great one and lucky for the non-mainland propagation of the art that the mainland has been able to re-consolidate and unify wuzuquan again.

Chee Kim Thong'sschools should be influenced by his training and background. As us the singaporean schools are influenced by the crane aspect and luohan predominately depending if they were from Lin's or Gao Can'slineages respectively.

History question is :
Did Chua Giok Beng develop, compose reorganise the art or was passed down from the 5 ancestor legend as susggested by the Chee KIm Thong's ? Since all lineages including Grandmaster Chee have Cai Yu Ming in the lineage tree it is dfficult to distinguish. In singapore it is known as CaiYuMing Pai (ChuaGiok Beng's) as to acknowledge his role.
it is not important but always a topic.

[joedoe]

Agreed - Ngor Chor is a great family regardless of lineage. The main differences I have noticed is that one lineage may emphasize one of the 5 foundation arts more than the others. Most of the lineages appear to be influenced by Tai Tzu, however in the Chee Kim Thong lineage the White Crane appears to have had more influence, probably because Grandmaster Chee studied White Crane at some point in his career (among many other arts).

I am no expert on the history of the art, and any more insights anyone can provide are like gold to me. As far as I have been taught (and as far as I can recall), Ngor Chor was developed sometime around 1300-1400AD by Bai Yuk Feng (I think). It was supposed to have been developed at Henan but travelled to the South. As for the rest of the history, I am pretty unclear on it. Let me go read up on my material and get back to you :).

[pitbull]

true very true :-) but whats really important is how the art got to ur kwan.....i say its important bec some guy maybe teaching people fake stuff read from a book or isnt even member of any ruling party...and this is sad..the situation is so bad that now,some schools in china are fakes!!!....even the monks now are commercialy driven! :-(...they give u degree and diploma,belts and what ever....if i offended anyone,sorry.this is just my thought...

PS: the dead malaysian guy(forgot the name)used to visit kong han..i was told that malaysian sifus wpuld come to kong han for a friendly visit when they happen to be on vacation here....

[pitbull]

the wuzu fed's conference will be held in qunzhou shaolin temple again i suppose...this november,...if anyone is going pls tell me :-) i stand up among all konghan guys since only i have a beard and moustache:-) everybody else shave theirs....i wish i can go this year!!! i really want to learn the tiger fork!!! what i am trying to master now is the 2x ax since it fits my stature i was told..im short and stocky :-) 5'3.5 at 150lbs of mostly muscle then fat :-) i maybe the shortest in the group too :-)

[joedoe]

Originally posted by pitbull
true very true :-) but whats really important is how the art got to ur kwan.....i say its important bec some guy maybe teaching people fake stuff read from a book or isnt even member of any ruling party...and this is sad..the situation is so bad that now,some schools in china are fakes!!!....even the monks now are commercialy driven! :-(...they give u degree and diploma,belts and what ever....if i offended anyone,sorry.this is just my thought...

PS: the dead malaysian guy(forgot the name)used to visit kong han..i was told that malaysian sifus wpuld come to kong han for a friendly visit when they happen to be on vacation here....

Yeah, there are fakes everywhere. Everyone wants to claim to be a master but very few are the real deal. Shame that there are so many dishonest people out there, but I guess that is the world we live in.

As far as the monks go, I spent a day training with the ones at the Quanzhou temple. They were very good at what they do, and they learned stuff very quickly. Their commercial practices may be dubious but I do not doubt their training. :)

The dead Malaysian guy - Grandmaster Chee Kim Thong - was my sifu. It is good to know that the masters of Ngor Chor visited each other regularly. It suggests a unity in the art that is sadly not more widespread in MA.

[joedoe]

A Ngor Chor forum:

http://budogeeks.tzo.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=fcf6bc29cab762d834aeb60826d82124

[FIRE HAWK]

I think Chuka Saolin Phoenix Eye Fist the Art that comes from Fukien Province has forms that Ngo Cho Kun has and Chuka Shaolin might be mixed from Ngo Cho Kun and other arts. Chuka Shaolin forms Er Shizi Tien sounds like Er Shi Chaun and Chukas basic form called Kai San sounds like Kai Jhan .

[joedoe]

Anywhere I could get information about those forms in Chuka Phoenix Eye Fist? I would be very interested to see the differences.

[pitbull]

malaysia is just across the strait :-)

it is true that "no mind" helps make the monks' punhes more accurate.....

if u do happen to pass by manila,let me know...ill give u a tour of kong han and ling nam ;-)

[Xue Pei]

Here's another site to check out which may help..

www.ucd.ie/~shaolin

[joedoe]

Hi, are you one of Sifu Han's students? Where are you based?

[Xue Pei]

Hi joedoe,

Yep..Kim Han is my Shifu.I'm based in Hertfordshire, but travel up to the class in Harrow.

Did you attend the conference in Malaysia last November??I'm not sure if there is one planned for China this year??

[pitbull]

there will be one in november as i was told....

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Xue Pei
Hi joedoe,

Yep..Kim Han is my Shifu.I'm based in Hertfordshire, but travel up to the class in Harrow.

Did you attend the conference in Malaysia last November??I'm not sure if there is one planned for China this year??

No, unfortunately I could not make it to last year's conference. I really wanted to because I wanted to pay respects at Master Chee's grave but work was not permitting :(. Maybe next year (I won't make this year's one either unfortunately).

How is Sifu Han?

[Sifuuckun]

Hi guys,
I'm Sifu Belida Han Uckun (Billy) I think ben cash my old class mate is on this thread. I just got my certification from Bonifacio Lim a year ago as a black sash in the art and am helping him organize the material as a modern federated martial art. Unlike the past we are going to have ranks, open acess regadrless of race and ethnicity. A structured non preferential treatment type of organization. I'm going to pubish articles in 2004 on ngo Cho Kune in Black Belt, Inside kung and this magazine as well.
Ngo Cho Will proably take a lot of people by surprise it is the most interesting combination of internal, external, short long and difficult vs acessible material I've seen and I'm swearing to dedicate time to popularizing the art and making it grow.
Sifu Belida Han Uckun

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Sifuuckun
Hi guys,
I'm Sifu Belida Han Uckun (Billy) I think ben cash my old class mate is on this thread. I just got my certification from Bonifacio Lim a year ago as a black sash in the art and am helping him organize the material as a modern federated martial art. Unlike the past we are going to have ranks, open acess regadrless of race and ethnicity. A structured non preferential treatment type of organization. I'm going to pubish articles in 2004 on ngo Cho Kune in Black Belt, Inside kung and this magazine as well.
Ngo Cho Will proably take a lot of people by surprise it is the most interesting combination of internal, external, short long and difficult vs acessible material I've seen and I'm swearing to dedicate time to popularizing the art and making it grow.
Sifu Belida Han Uckun

Best of luck. I'll keep an eye out for your articles :)

[pitbull]

joedoe: there are no OZ folks in shaolin this year...u guys are quite busy this year i suppose...looking forward to meet u in the flesh ;-)

[joedoe]

Yeah, none of us could get away for the conference this year. I think we may be planning a big group next year though. Look forward to seeing you there. ;)

[SergeTk]

Hi Joedoe !
Good 2 see you, any idea what happen to budoogeeks forum ?

[joedoe]

Hey Serge, good to see you on KFM. I don't know what is happening with BudoGeeks. I am wondering if it shut down because not enough people visited.

Please pass on my respects to your sifu.

[guanyu]

Originally posted by pitbull
can u please trace the lineage of boni lim? he might as well came from manila if im not mistaken...we may have trained from the same master....

He is one of the last student of late Tan Ka Hong and he is sihing to Alex Co. You can find him in Alex Co's book. He is Beng Kiam and currently teaching in New Jersey.

[wuzuquan SWE]

Hi, this is the first time ever that I´m writing on a forum :-)

Im going to KL in Malaysia, with my sifu next saturday, to train 5 ancesters.
I´m staying there for about 1 month and I´m going to train morning and evening everyday, seniortraning is on sundays so I hope I get to train some catching hands then :-)

My sifu is gonna cal YCH also and he´s probebly there for a while at the same time so I´ll try to train a litte with him also.

I just want to ask u guy´s if it´s something special u want me to ask when I´m there?

I´m no blackbelt i theory so don´t ask any history questions or something :-), I´ve just been training like crazy for a while :-)

Please email the questions, if any, because it´s not so often I´m on this forum.

kind regards

/R