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ElPietro
07-29-2001, 05:25 PM
I performed a search and got a lot of hits on Iron Palm. Most of these threads where in the internal MA section though, and didn't really go over the basics. I have read a bit on Iron Palm training, basically, I'll outline what I have read and what I think and hopefully those of more experience can add or correct me.

What I have read is that Iron Palm training is recommended to pretty much anyone in training above the age of about 10 years old. It is designed to turn your hands into weapons, ie. stronger, more solid hands which are more damaging. You start out with a beginner bag containing beans, until they are crushed powder (3-6 months), then move on to an intermediate bag. Then obviously to an advanced bag and after a couple years of training every day, you only need to train a couple times a week to maintain your hand strength.

I also read that after each session you rub your hands for about 5 minutes using a mixture of dit dot jow which reduces bruising and helps tighten the skin.

The training itself is done from horse, and left and right bow stance, change stances as needed. The strikes are: palm strike, then backhand strike, followed by a chop or knife hand, then a tiger claw (some kind of claw, may have misread). The strikes are performed in that order for about 5-10 minutes the first little while then you keep going until you can continue for approximately 45 minutes to an hour and switch bags once the beans are dust.

It is discussed as an external and internal form of training. The article didn't say that only advanced students should train in iron palm, so I wonder if you can train almost exclusively external or what. If any of you could correct where I'm mistaken or add some info that would be great. Thanks.

WongFeHung
07-29-2001, 07:48 PM
there is alot more to it than that. Applying the Tiet Da Jow alone requires specific technique, not simply rubbing it in like cologne. You are not just "hardening" your hand, but also learning to develop more power in your strikes, and the hand is getting strengthened accordingly. There are advanced striking methods which cannot be taught from a book or a website. Improper practice can permantently injure your hands and health. I personally dissagree with teaching a ten year old. We won't teach anyone under the age of 25, hand conditionoing due to the fact that the bones aren't fully developed, and calcification between the phalanges of the joints can occur causing arthritis. Find a qualified Sifu.

templefist
07-29-2001, 09:50 PM
you can also use pots of loose material instead of the bags. it puts your hands in more contact with the mung beans/gravel/iron. its a real pain in the @ss since the mung beans fly just about everywhere.

shaolin_knight
07-30-2001, 03:14 AM
Don't get caught up in external/internal. Also don't train with the little information you have. You really need a teacher on this one. Practice something else like working on your stances.

ElPietro
07-30-2001, 05:03 PM
Thanks for the responses...I asked my instructor about Iron Palm and he just grinned and said, "all in good time..."

So I guess I'll learn it eventually.