Secret of Kung Fu

[Lucas]

Are you familiar with the sports science studies on specificity of training, overload principles and the inhibition of power development with endurance exercise?

yes yes and i know where you are going with this...but there is also one thing you dont know about much stance training....you are not motionless. the best way to develop your horse stance is with squats and lunges.

there are a lot of different views on what is good stance training. me personally i believe that the best way is to practice your stances through squats, lunges, sparring and moving drills.

lets put it this way, if you do meditate, would you think meditating laying down or sitting down will be more effective then if you meditate in a stance where you are constantly expanding and contracting, rising and lowering up down left right in and out without stopping?

[Northwind]

It is endurance training and endurance training inhibits power development.

And you know this simply from many years of disappointing horse stance training or cuz you read it somewhere or just cuz?

It's fine for holding a low stance for extended periods of time. It's fine for meditation.
It's not fine for fighting applications.
Who are you to claim what is "fine" or not I would like to see some evidence for this fineness, lil buddy.

[faxiapreta]

Well goodness mister man...I thought you were anti-TCMA?

See...Mister Man...Lil Buddy...Here's an example of you stumbling on the lil pretty poo-poo that comes out of your mouth. You have zero understanding of what a horse stance is or how it's trained or the benefits derived therefrom due to the very lack of experience. Yet you make claims of its lack of usefulness, by using arguments that supports its benefits. This shows a bit of silliness. There are bigger & better words for it, but I will just call it silliness. Don't be mad, buddy.


LOL... thanks again for revealing another pretender fantasy kung fu "sifu" out there.

[Northwind]

Are you familiar with the sports science studies on specificity of training, overload principles and the inhibition of power development with endurance exercise?
Are you familiar with TCMA in any shape or form, lil buddy?

Oh gosh sorry. That was a rhetorical question. We know you are not and are just attempting your square peg round hole thing again...

[Lucas]

traditional stance training holds fighting stances. it actually helps maintaining correct fighting posture.

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this is what i like about yi quan, the stances are 'combat' stances when you train them.

[Northwind]

traditional stance training holds fighting stances. it actually helps maintaining correct fighting posture.

even when you did horse stance training you carried weights, up to 100 pounds.

modern day stance training doesnt do anyhing.

To a point I agree. But I am of the mind of traditional, the way you described. That is proper stance training (once you build up to it, of course), but you can't judge all of stance training in today's world based on just the lazy fuggers..

[bawang]

yi quan is dogshi1t. the unique and precious thing about chinese martial arts is ancient stances. but you have to still train rationally and with solemn dignity.

[Northwind]

kung fu people in modern times talk about "horse stance" "bow and arrow stance"

in old days people used the five element stance. "lead stance" "reverse stance" "retreat stance" "offensive stance" "defensive stanece"

Liao...
You know that is language construct difficulties man!

[Lucas]

i use very deep horse stance greatly when i suplex you.

[Northwind]

lets put it this way, if you do meditate, would you think meditating laying down or sitting down will be more effective then if you meditate in a stance where you are constantly expanding and contracting, rising and lowering up down left right in and out without stopping?

You honestly think he will answer this? If you make 5 points and ask 3 questions in one reply, he will reply to what he think he can counter, and answer no question that is not a lead into what he believes to be his own trapping.

[Lucas]

yi quan is dogshi1t. the unique and precious thing about chinese martial arts is ancient stances. but you have to still train rationally and with solemn dignity.

i think there is some merit to things that some yi quan people do, i studied a bit under gregory fong here http://i-chuan.net/

he is much better than you :p

he also learn his chen taiji while living in chen village

[bawang]

yi quan is a modern invention that is not traditional has no cultural value, and its inferior to modern scientific combat sport training. its pointless.

[Northwind]

LOL... thanks again for revealing another pretender fantasy kung fu "sifu" out there.
1) Remember our conversation about insults?
2) Just to refresh your memory...Thanks again for revealing another pretender nut-hugging wannabe mma "anonymous troll" out there.
3) Care to re-visit?

[Northwind]

yi quan is dogshi1t. the unique and precious thing about chinese martial arts is ancient stances. but you have to still train rationally and with solemn dignity.

B$ bro. It may be a modern style, but the principles been around a long time... This is very superficial but Iquan is just Xingyiquan with the yi emphasized more than the xing. Come on man, you know this.

Now, granted...Da Cheng Quan / I Quan does confound the hell outta me, as most of the written stuff I've seen on it is VERY vague about practice, usage and application, but the theoretical side is fairly sound from what I have seen.

[Lucas]

yi quan is a modern invention that is not traditional has no cultural value, and its inferior to modern scientific combat sport training. its pointless.

if you go and read many of his students tesitmonies, actually he has used his teachings to help heal many people through daily practice. it depends on what you count as pointless.

[Snipsky]

In contrast however, studies have also found that endurance training has no detrimental effect on strength development (9,10,11,12,13). Interestingly, although some of these studies found a negative effect on strength and some didn't, all agreed that concurrent strength and endurance training has no negative effect on endurance.

Ok, i stand a little more educated on this. however, if you read above, you will see that you are only focusing on part of the issue. Switch it around to strength over endurance and there is no negative effects.

[faxiapreta]

you are not motionless. the best way to develop your horse stance is with squats and lunges.?

To the "stance guys"... is this what you mean by low stance. Doing squats and lunges?

Let's get on the same page here so everyone is talking about the same thing.

[Lucas]

and also, i believe it is ray pina poster here who does believe that the i chuan is usefull in fighting, and he has used and proven it to himself. anyway you can say that it is no good (idc on a level because i dont dedicated to it) but he says it is, and since he has used in full contact mma, i believe him over you. i only have tasted it and what i did try made sense to me.

[Lucas]

To the "stance guys"... is this what you mean by low stance. Doing squats and lunges?

Let's get on the same page here so everyone is talking about the same thing.

that is part of the problem...there are too many pages ...

[faxiapreta]

Ok, i stand a little more educated on this. however, if you read above, you will see that you are only focusing on part of the issue. Switch it around to strength over endurance and there is no negative effects.

Good. Now read up on how to develop strength vs. endurance and you will learn that to develop strength and power you HAVE TO fatigue the muscles in a short amount time... basically less than 60 seconds.

[bawang]

B$ bro. It may be a modern style, but the principles been around a long time... This is very superficial but Iquan is just Xingyiquan with the yi emphasized more than the xing. Come on man, you know this.



if its the same thing, then the founder committed the crime of "betraying the teacher and burying the ancestors"

[Snipsky]

Good. Now read up on how to develop strength vs. endurance and you will learn that to develop strength and power you HAVE TO fatigue the muscles in a short amount time... basically less than 60 seconds.

ok but switch it around and you will see that strength training will not affect endurance.

[faxiapreta]

1) Remember our conversation about insults?
2) Just to refresh your memory...Thanks again for revealing another pretender nut-hugging wannabe mma "anonymous troll" out there.
3) Care to re-visit?

Yeah, lets' revisit everything.

[faxiapreta]

ok but switch it around and you will see that strength training will not affect endurance.

Exactly. So what's your point? Because stance training is not strength training, it is endurance training.

[Northwind]

and also, i believe it is ray pina poster here who does believe that the i chuan is usefull in fighting, and he has used and proven it to himself. anyway you can say that it is no good (idc on a level because i dont dedicated to it) but he says it is, and since he has used in full contact mma, i believe him over you. i only have tasted it and what i did try made sense to me.

Whoah! Seriously? I never would have guessed Pina was an I Quan man... (Not Sarcasm - sorry, having to clarify myself these days with sifu/guru/lord-master/but really just my BFF FaxiaPreta here).

[Northwind]

that is part of the problem...there are too many pages ...

Not to mention the guy has an agenda and the moment we start to get on the same page he is quite upset. I remember the ancient ones saying..."It does not do for a troll to be fed nor to be happy. Thus the 'Do not feed the Trolls' signs at every pass."

[Hendrik]

yi quan is a modern invention that is not traditional has no cultural value, and its inferior to modern scientific combat sport training. its pointless.


Hahaha, what you have is all the Chinese bad habit of big mouth and clueless.


you keep potrait like some one who knows alots of chinese martial art but observing you for past few months give me all the data you are a pretender.

you might be old but you have ZERO kung fu. the most what you have is some low level external style.


To the forum, Yiquan is a real deal which is a summary of very key Chinese martial art practice interm of structure, power generation, and dynamic flow. a real deal in fighting more then most of the Chinese martial art.

this clown is bad mouthing Chinese elite art. what a joke. Big mouth and no brainer and clueless on chinese culture.

[Snipsky]

Exactly. So what's your point? Because stance training is not strength training, it is endurance training.

stance training is for endurance. when we weight train we lift weights. we don't lift weights in a horse stance in order to strengthen our legs.

[Northwind]

Good. Now read up on how to develop strength vs. endurance and you will learn that to develop strength and power you HAVE TO fatigue the muscles in a short amount time... basically less than 60 seconds.

Good. And once you do that, go train in any decent style of TCMA under a decent instructor and you will learn how little you know, my friend.

[bawang]

instead of "horse stance " "bow stance", in old days northern kung fu trained "5/5" stance, "3/7 stance" "4/6" stance "wrestling stance" "clinch stance"

Hahaha, what you have is all the Chinese bad habit of big mouth and clueless.

i have big mouth, you have big anus from sex with many chocolate men.

[faxiapreta]

stance training is for endurance. when we weight train we lift weights. we don't lift weights in a horse stance in order to strengthen our legs.

OK , fair enough. Now, what are you doing with the stance training?

[Northwind]

stance training is for endurance. when we weight train we lift weights. we don't lift weights in a horse stance in order to strengthen our legs.

Are you daring to contradict the lord know-it-all? Careful bro... I want no rain-water in my beer tonight! :P

[Snipsky]

Are you daring to contradict the lord know-it-all? Careful bro... I want no rain-water in my beer tonight! :P

hahah YES. :) get your umbrella ready. its gonna rain hard.

[Northwind]

OK , fair enough. Now, what are you doing with the stance training?
Gosh I wanted to answer this one, but since you used "you" after a direct quote of an individual I guess I have to wait for him to answer. But don't feel lonely lil friend; I am still here for you.

[Snipsky]

OK , fair enough. Now, what are you doing with the stance training?

training our legs to endure longer periods of time in a bent knee position without losing out to fatigue. :)

Does that mean that they have some way of using stance training that fatigues the muscles in between 15 and 60 seconds? Because if they don't, what they are doing in not strength or power development.

15 secs you will feel the burn. 60 seconds your legs are shaking.....5 minutes you may crumble unless you have trained to withstand longer periods in your stance.

[faxiapreta]

Good. And once you do that, go train in any decent style of TCMA under a decent instructor and you will learn how little you know, my friend.

Does that mean that they have some way of using stance training that fatigues the muscles in between 15 and 60 seconds? Because if they don't, what they are doing in not strength or power development.

[faxiapreta]

training our legs to endure longer periods of time in a bent knee position without losing out to fatigue. :)

And how is this supposed to lead to increased fighting ability.

And, since it is endurance training, how can it not interfere with your power development?

[Northwind]

Does that mean that they have some way of using stance training that fatigues the muscles in between 15 and 60 seconds? Because if they don't, what they are doing in not strength or power development.
No. What it means is that you have absolutely ZERO clue of what you are talking about.

[Northwind]

And how is this supposed to lead to increased fighting ability.

And, since it is endurance training, how can it not interfere with your power development?

Ever tried to shoot?
Ever tried to counter one?

Well good point. Either you haven't or you have. And in either case, ask those who have. They will tell you that a low center of gravity and strong foundational support in the human body (most of the time we call them legs...), will help you in either of these two endeavors...

[Lucas]

Does that mean that they have some way of using stance training that fatigues the muscles in between 15 and 60 seconds? Because if they don't, what they are doing in not strength or power development.

squats. if you want some low stance training over time you can do horse stance for 20-45 minutes after you train for a few hours. it is when you are done training your body and have exhausted it that you want to do some low stance training. that is my experience. sure you can do it when you are fresh, but why? you are fresh, do all your regular fight training then.

[bawang]

traditional stance training

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMuTNlZpCc6L05c-yeZWhBz5URD45Zm6I5rUmhnxp2rupyy-yanA

modern stance training

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOqtPOAgwhzCuk2QkjQUcIXWmVOqTnd tUGQjNHyb4R8pe3RZJ1

[faxiapreta]

Ever tried to shoot?
Ever tried to counter one?

Well good point. Either you haven't or you have. And in either case, ask those who have. They will tell you that a low center of gravity and strong foundational support in the human body (most of the time we call them legs...), will help you in either of these two endeavors...

Of course both those things help.

Horse stance training for extended periods of time does nothing for working takedowns or counters.

[Lucas]

Whoah! Seriously? I never would have guessed Pina was an I Quan man... (Not Sarcasm - sorry, having to clarify myself these days with sifu/guru/lord-master/but really just my BFF FaxiaPreta here).

dont hold me to it, but i do believe i have read in his posts over the years that it is one of the applicable things he liked from his cma training that he carried over to mma. i could be wrong but i dont think im remembering incorrectly...he doesnt post here much anymore tho

[Snipsky]

Quote:
And how is this supposed to lead to increased fighting ability.

And, since it is endurance training, how can it not interfere with your power development?


One or the other it is a problem. in conjunction with each other, it is not a problem.

anything that increases the endurance in your legs to withstand long periods of time will allow you to fight longer.

Horse stance training for extended periods of time does nothing for working takedowns or counters

who said it would?

[faxiapreta]

anything that increases the endurance in your legs to withstand long periods of time will allow you to fight longer.

Only if you are spending your time in that low position.

Google specificity of training.

[faxiapreta]

squats. if you want some low stance training over time you can do horse stance for 20-45 minutes after you train for a few hours. it is when you are done training your body and have exhausted it that you want to do some low stance training. that is my experience. sure you can do it when you are fresh, but why? you are fresh, do all your regular fight training then.

And what purpose would this serve?

[Snipsky]

Quote:
Horse stance training for extended periods of time does nothing for working takedowns or counters


who said it would?

[faxiapreta]

who said it would?

Northwind was implying that.

[Lucas]

And what purpose would this serve?

being sexy all the time in the mind for the woman who likes a man that self inflicts massive pain for fun, but leaves no marks on the body.

can you has sex standing in horse stance for 20 minutes?

:D

[Northwind]

Of course both those things help.

Horse stance training for extended periods of time does nothing for working takedowns or counters.

Eh? Seems a bit contradictory to me...

[Hendrik]

instead of "horse stance " "bow stance", in old days northern kung fu trained "5/5" stance, "3/7 stance" "4/6" stance "wrestling stance" "clinch stance"



i have big mouth, you have big anus from sex with many chocolate men.



your post shows your class isnt it?

you the most is some SC guy who is clueless on advance TCMA. and low kung fu.


I usually not posting this strong as my last post. but I decide to post it for the chinese martial art ancestors.



To the forum

what this clown is clueless about yiquan are, here are some example:


1, yi quan inherited the friction step which is one of the ancient key to fajing.

2, yi quan inherited the Hun Yuan Lik is common in the advance TCMA on dynamic structure handling or momentum handling.

3, yi guan inherited the four dance which is related to the Dun Huang 燉煌 ancient chinese culture.

4, yi guan inherited the triangle turn into spiral mechanics which is a elegant and powerful destructive mechanics..



these stuffs are hard to be found in most chinese martial art style or system. and most chinese masters dont even know one or two item of them, not to mention know these and more...

So, dont be fool by those who pretend to know but only talk big and know how to argue.

[Snipsky]

can you has sex standing in horse stance for 20 minutes?

I can :D Even standing in crane stance.....

BOW DOWN TO THE KING :D

[bawang]

you know nothing. you are wing chun scum. i would spit on you but it would dirty my saliva.

[Hendrik]

traditional stance training

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMuTNlZpCc6L05c-yeZWhBz5URD45Zm6I5rUmhnxp2rupyy-yanA

modern stance training

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOqtPOAgwhzCuk2QkjQUcIXWmVOqTnd tUGQjNHyb4R8pe3RZJ1



Get lost on your clueless book learning B$. you are clueless on what is what about Chinese martial art.

So dont be here to cheating the westerner and stepping on TCMA ancestors.

[Lucas]

I can :D Even standing in crane stance.....

BOW DOWN TO THE KING :D

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/47187/hailtotheking-500x394.png

[bawang]

do not speak to me, wing chun subhuman creature.

[faxiapreta]

Eh? Seems a bit contradictory to me...

That's because you have no idea how training for athletic performance functions.

[Lucas]

do not speak to me, wing chun subhuman creature.

i just watch ip man 2. it was pretty good mang

[SPJ]

to summarize so many pages

1. meridians and qi travelling paths are under active research at universities both in china and US

we may learn more about them in the future

2. low stance may be good for practice

but not practical or fighting

or fighting stance is high horse stance

or non horse, non bow

or half horse half bow

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there.

[Snipsky]

:D:D:D:D:D

I can teach my subjects many secrets to slay wommins and even faxiapreta will become my follower and profess my greatness.

[Northwind]

That's because you have no idea how training for athletic performance functions.

And are we talking about "athletic performance" the way you understand it, or are we talking about TCMA practices in a TCMA forum?

And did you want to make your NEW threat PUBLIC?

[Lucas]

i am ashamed i have recieved no death threats.

i have failed my berzeker fore fathers

[Lucas]

LOL i saw that bawang!!! fork in the ass!! lol

[bawang]

i think doing wing chun is great if you are tranny pre op and plan to go through transition, since it drastically reduce testosterone levels.

i think if you put your penus inside wing chun man poo poo shute, it is not gay since he is almost like a woman.

[Northwind]

lololololololololol

[Snipsky]

i am ashamed i have recieved no death threats.

i have failed my berzeker fore fathers

I KILL YOU

(i mean i really kill you cause im just so funny :D)

[SPJ]

ip man

ip man II

I knew too much about real history/tales

could not enjoy the movies that much

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:(

[bawang]

you kill me? you kill me? I KILL ME

ip man

ip man II

I knew too much about real history/tales

could not enjoy the movies that much

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:(

they should make a realistic movie. Ye Wen: the story of a 100 pound opium addict that needed money fast

[Hendrik]

do not speak to me, wing chun subhuman creature.


I do Yichuan,

when you speak low on my style and put down my ancestors without evidence and with lie, you need to prepare to be questions and pointing out your false accusation isnt it?

[Lucas]

This guy is a trip. He's now sending me PMs labelled "challenge". He's got some personal issue with me. He might be a rude student I sent packing or something I do not know, but he's out for me. Good luck, lil buddy.

lol too rich.

[YiQuanOne]

Why would I do that. Having a low center of gravity is very important in grappling. Developing the ability to maintain that low center of gravity in a dynamic setting and to be able to explode out of it will not be developed by horse stance training.

This shows how little you know, low stance for training not application.

What do you think you are a missle.

[SPJ]

I KILL YOU

(i mean i really kill you cause im just so funny :D)

reminding me of

ach man the terrorist the skeleton made in china puppet

on comedy channel.

--

:D

[Lucas]

i think doing wing chun is great if you are tranny pre op and plan to go through transition, since it drastically reduce testosterone levels.

i think if you put your penus inside wing chun man poo poo shute, it is not gay since he is almost like a woman.

donnie yen tea bag you in your sleep. and you do not know. i have pictures to sell to your mom

[Lucas]

hey guys. i just want you all to know this is good fun times for me. lots of laughs here. thanks so much

(no joke)

[Hendrik]

i think doing wing chun is great if you are tranny pre op and plan to go through transition, since it drastically reduce testosterone levels.

i think if you put your penus inside wing chun man poo poo shute, it is not gay since he is almost like a woman.



I would ask Gene to ban this type of post.

[bawang]

i am not afraid. i will face whatever fate with stern resolve. this is the difference between me and you, wing chun scum.

im not even afraid of death. you think im scared of internet ban?

[Snipsky]

IF you and I went camping and you woke up in the morning with your but-thole hurting would you tell anyone?

[Lucas]

if you and i went camping and you woke up in the morning with your but-thole hurting would you tell anyone?

i kill you!!

[bawang]

IF you and I went camping and you woke up in the morning with your but-thole hurting would you tell anyone?

depends on what themesong you play

[Lucas]

but if u do taht to bawang, he may thing he learn wing chun in his sleep and be ok with it. he keeps secrets

[SPJ]

i kill you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDRDzqTu0M

LOOOOOOOOOOL

:D

[Snipsky]

i kill you!!

To hell with your (hey who are your people again? :confused:) berzerker peoples, i was known for driving your womins berzerk before you were born son!

[YouKnowWho]

2. low stance may be good for practice but not practical or fighting


We can't just look at combat from a striker point of view. If you can't

- drop into a low horse stance, you won't be able to apply your "hip throw" on your shorter opponent.
- touch your left hand to your right ankle, you won't be able to apply "leg seize" throw.
- drop your knee on the ground, you won't be able to apply "knee down inner hook".
- ...

Our ancestor trained low stances for good reasons.

[faxiapreta]

And are we talking about "athletic performance" the way you understand it, or are we talking about TCMA practices in a TCMA forum?

And did you want to make your NEW threat PUBLIC?

My threat?

You proposed I come sneak up and steal your wallet. I said I might be interested in that. You told me you would smash me. I proposed more of a simple NHB with no rules and we could post the video clip.

That threat?

[Snipsky]

SPJ,

that was really funny.

but we didn't know that STEVE JOHNSON's (bawang) nick name was FLEECE.....

here he really is.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-JjldxU-pA

[SPJ]

We can't just look at combat from a striker point of view. If you can't

- drop into a low horse stance, you won't be able to apply your "hip throw" on your shorter opponent.
- touch your left hand to your right ankle, you won't be able to apply "leg seize" throw.
- drop your knee on the ground, you won't be able to apply "knee down inner hook".

Our ancestor trained low stances for good reason.

agreed.

:cool:

[faxiapreta]

We can't just look at combat from a striker point of view. If you can't

- drop into a low horse stance, you won't be able to apply your "hip throw" on your shorter opponent.
- touch your left hand to your right ankle, you won't be able to apply "leg seize" throw.
- drop your knee on the ground, you won't be able to apply "knee down inner hook".

Our ancestor trained low stances for good reason.

Doing those things quickly in a combat situation is not a good reason to hold extended horse stances.

[Lucas]

Doing those things quickly in a combat situation is not a good reason to hold extended horse stances.

people do it just to make you ask questions. thats the real answer.

[Northwind]

My threat?

You proposed I come sneak up and steal your wallet. I said I might be interested in that. You told me you would smash me. I proposed more of a simple NHB with no rules and we could post the video clip.

That threat?

That's the one.
"Smash you"? No...You said you would bash me over the head with a brick and I said I imagined that I would turn the brick on you before you got a step too close.

Yes, you proposed a NHB fight for video.

And to all the world - listen close - I said "No, Thanks.".
Guess why?

[Snipsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmSc34LQ50&feature=related

[faxiapreta]

That's the one.
"Smash you"? No...You said you would bash me over the head with a brick and I said I imagined that I would turn the brick on you before you got a step too close.

Isn't that the kind of thing that happens when someone sneaks up behind you to steal your wallet?


Yes, you proposed a NHB fight for video.

And to all the world - listen close - I said "No, Thanks.".
Guess why?

Sure, why?

[Lucas]

usually people want you concious when they rob you. rummaging through a downed persons pockets draws attention, your target is most likely going to be in a very visual area, as most people dont make ahabbit of walking down alleys and such. but sometimes you might sneak up on someone like in a parking lot late at night or something.

you display a deadly weapon covertly and order your target to get out of direct sight if possible then you demand the money, then you tell them to turn around....

[bawang]

you display a deadly weapon covertly and order your target to get out of direct sight if possible then you demand the money, then you tell them to turn around....

then make sweet love

chocolate rain

[Lucas]

im calling official derail

http://www.starzlife.com/wp-content/files/2009/05/train-wreck-1.jpg

[Lucas]

then make sweet love

chocolate rain

http://www.werpaparazzi.com/wp-content/gallery/add/make-it-rain.jpg

[Northwind]

Isn't that the kind of thing that happens when someone sneaks up behind you to steal your wallet?

Looks like lil buddy got a wee-bit angry didn't he?

Sure, why?
How bout you tell us. You seem to have all the answers, doncha?
The fact that the answer to that question would also address the entire mma vs. tcma battle evades you. The fact that to do so would negate your anonymity evades you. The fact that I do ZERO challenge matches evades you. Much evades you lil buddy. Stop. Grow up. Act like a human.

[bawang]

just walk away
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJH82SPhiZM

[Northwind]

then make sweet love

chocolate rain

OMG the man said Chocolate Rain...Too dam funny. I had forgotten that video til you said it. Now that video....THAT is some serious combatives for sure! No can defend!

[Lucas]

just walk away
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJH82SPhiZM

make it rain on them hoes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_asu7n6QUc

[bawang]

take me to the moon
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDv5VhbM3aY

I FEEL INCREDIBLE

[faxiapreta]

usually people want you concious when they rob you. rummaging through a downed persons pockets draws attention, your target is most likely going to be in a very visual area, as most people dont make ahabbit of walking down alleys and such. but sometimes you might sneak up on someone like in a parking lot late at night or something.

you display a deadly weapon covertly and order your target to get out of direct sight if possible then you demand the money, then you tell them to turn around....

Thanks for that. I can see I'll need some specific training for stealing wallets.

[Snipsky]

http://sham.mobile9.com/download/media/295/sexylatina_e2xn9crz.jpg

[bawang]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnOTvZGr-u76sQYbesKq700puzP3eglg7L8ef9F-yzzJppc0syBg

did i do it right? it make boner?

[faxiapreta]

Looks like lil buddy got a wee-bit angry didn't he?

How bout you tell us. You seem to have all the answers, doncha?
The fact that the answer to that question would also address the entire mma vs. tcma battle evades you. The fact that to do so would negate your anonymity evades you. The fact that I do ZERO challenge matches evades you. Much evades you lil buddy. Stop. Grow up. Act like a human.

Here's another idea. Maybe don't throw out challenges to anonymous internet posters.

Can you see how that might be a good idea, cancha?

BTW, there's no anger. You asked me to try to sneak up and steal your wallet. I don't have a lot of wallet stealing experience, so I thought that was how it's done. Lucas set me straight though.

[Lucas]

http://sham.mobile9.com/download/media/295/sexylatina_e2xn9crz.jpg

yummy!!!!!

[瓜娃子]

http://sham.mobile9.com/download/media/295/sexylatina_e2xn9crz.jpg

I will force my way in and break her knees if she runs.

That is how I would defend myself against her.

[Lucas]

Thanks for that. I can see I'll need some specific training for stealing wallets.

if you want to mug people. the most important thing is making sure you know how to get away with it. there is no point in being a criminal if you get caught.

[Northwind]

take me to the moon
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDv5VhbM3aY

I FEEL INCREDIBLE

I might, pretty boy...

:p

[faxiapreta]

if you want to mug people. the most important thing is making sure you know how to get away with it. there is no point in being a criminal if you get caught.

I thought that's what the brick was for. Aren't you supposed to kill them so there aren't witnesses.

[Snipsky]

now now guys, please respect my lady....she is FIIIIIIIINE ain't she? :D

[Northwind]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnOTvZGr-u76sQYbesKq700puzP3eglg7L8ef9F-yzzJppc0syBg

did i do it right? it make boner?

Dude..STOP!!!! You kill me with this stuff lol

[Snipsky]

I thought that's what the brick was for. Aren't you supposed to kill them so there aren't witnesses.

FBI will on your doorstep momentarily sir......pack your bags.

[Lucas]

I thought that's what the brick was for. Aren't you supposed to kill them so there aren't witnesses.

no. you dont worry about witnesses from your targets. first off, most people will not be able to give a fully accurate description of you...due to shock. in addition, the deadly weapon will divert most of their attention, making details of your appearance hazy and unclear except the most obvious things like color of jacket, facial hair, etc. but it is important they see the gun. the closer you can get the barrel to their vision the better you will tunnel it. most people have not been in these situations enough to be able to control their thoughts or often times even actions. they will also have a huge adrenaline rush and the following dump which will distort matters even further before the authorities arive.

next you dont want to kill them because then you can get additional charge of murder i fyou do ever get caught. if you are a mugger you are a mugger, if you are a murderer you are a murderer. you have to pick one.

should i be telling you this?

[Northwind]

Here's another idea. Maybe don't throw out challenges to anonymous internet posters.

Here's any idea. Maybe don't be an anonymous internet poster, for one. For two, the "challenge" as you called it, was a direct example of different combative scenarios, but you took as a challenge. In PM, you told me the scenario you wanted, and I told you I was not cool with that.

Can you see how that might be a good idea, cancha?

Read above.

BTW, there's no anger. You asked me to try to sneak up and steal your wallet. I don't have a lot of wallet stealing experience, so I thought that was how it's done. Lucas set me straight though.
Glad to hear there is no anger. I was afraid to lose my best friend (forever, no less). It's okay about that, just let's don't get one man sneaking up to steal another's wallet, caught unawares, with being the same as a NHB challenge match with your buddies and videod in front of my students, as you proposed.

I stand by what I said. You want me - you're more than welcome to it, under those circumstances.

However, lil buddy, I hope you don't. Cuz I like be your friend. You are so friendly, afterall.

[Northwind]

should i be telling you this?

That was kinda my point in my brief response to him in PM. For me, none of this martial arts stuff is about challenge matches. My students? Who knows? But for me, it's about protecting me and mine. Oh and Kung Fu. What that means and all the added extras.

MMA and the other names is for fighting. Only fighting. That's awesome. Go fight and keep on until there is nothing left. Good for you.

How can people not see this....?

[Lucas]

That was kinda my point in my brief response to him in PM. For me, none of this martial arts stuff is about challenge matches. My students? Who knows? But for me, it's about protecting me and mine. Oh and Kung Fu. What that means and all the added extras.

MMA and the other names is for fighting. Only fighting. That's awesome. Go fight and keep on until there is nothing left. Good for you.

How can people not see this....?

when you are surrounded only by darknesss, it can be difficult to find the light.

was that cryptic enough or should i try harder. that was on the spot btw! lol

[faxiapreta]

Here's any idea. Maybe don't be an anonymous internet poster, for one. For two, the "challenge" as you called it, was a direct example of different combative scenarios, but you took as a challenge. In PM, you told me the scenario you wanted, and I told you I was not cool with that.

Read above.

Glad to hear there is no anger. I was afraid to lose my best friend (forever, no less). It's okay about that, just let's don't get one man sneaking up to steal another's wallet, caught unawares, with being the same as a NHB challenge match with your buddies and videod in front of my students, as you proposed.

I stand by what I said. You want me - you're more than welcome to it, under those circumstances.

However, lil buddy, I hope you don't. Cuz I like be your friend. You are so friendly, afterall.


Huh? So you are now saying you are open to me sneaking up an attempting to steal your wallet?

Lucas, I might need those lessons.

I guess I'm a little thick here, but what does sneaking up and stealing your wallet have anything to do with anything I've ever said here. Please explain the relevance.

[Snipsky]

http://media.soletron.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/dollicia_bryan_picture_008.jpg

[瓜娃子]

Iwill booty warrior her

[faxiapreta]

That was kinda my point in my brief response to him in PM. For me, none of this martial arts stuff is about challenge matches. My students? Who knows? But for me, it's about protecting me and mine. Oh and Kung Fu. What that means and all the added extras.

MMA and the other names is for fighting. Only fighting. That's awesome. Go fight and keep on until there is nothing left. Good for you.

How can people not see this....?

If MA is about protection, why would you specifically invite someone to attempt to sneak up on you and steal your wallet?

And what was the part about "following the rules"?

[Snipsky]

If MA is about protection, why would you specifically invite someone to attempt to sneak up on you and steal your wallet?

And what was the part about "following the rules"?

no rules. hit your target hard and fast. be in and out before they know it. then go practice horse stance for one hour

[Lucas]

Sorry but if you read the good teacher thread, you learn that I don't ever want to teach people.

[Lucas]

no rules. hit your target hard and fast. be in and out before they know it. then go practice horse stance for one hour

Form Kings©

[Northwind]

Please explain the relevance.

Simply the point I was trying to make earlier about contextual scenarios... You fight for the ring and for challenge matches. I fight for real life everyday things. Can you see this or are you going to gloss over it and make some silly comment? If the latter, then fine, lil buddy, you will always be my lil buddy if that is your choice.

[Northwind]

http://media.soletron.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/dollicia_bryan_picture_008.jpg

Are you sure you are not....ahem....another poster who use to do these?

Now don't get me wrong...I sure as hell love em but...just curious...lol...

If you're not the same individual, but just a similar practice, well then kudos to you. We can all use a lil more hot chick ;)

[Northwind]

If MA is about protection, why would you specifically invite someone to attempt to sneak up on you and steal your wallet?

Are you even reading what you write before you hit the magical send button?
The answer is in the question.

And what was the part about "following the rules"?
Huh? Out of context. Either quote the full context or do not. Put just talking about part of it...well that just shows the type of personality...come on now lil buddy keep working.

[Snipsky]

no i'm not SJ or was it maste killer?

Form Kings© 2011
____________

[Northwind]

no i'm not SJ or was it maste killer?

Form Kings© 2011
____________

So much cr@p going hither and yon I get lost in my own dam thoughts! lol :p I have no idea now. Just diggin on the fine chickin :P



Sorry y'all, completely off-topic here but...since I have been having this delightful lil chat with Faxia, I have been getting these low space notifications of private inbox from kungfumagazine.com and I am confused.

I deleted them all, and yet, when I open my Private Messages control panel, I am confronted with this message. Any suggestions?

Inbox contains 0 messages.
You have 57 messages stored, of a total 70 allowed. (Empty Folder)

[faxiapreta]

Simply the point I was trying to make earlier about contextual scenarios... You fight for the ring and for challenge matches. I fight for real life everyday things. Can you see this or are you going to gloss over it and make some silly comment? If the latter, then fine, lil buddy, you will always be my lil buddy if that is your choice.

You don't fight, though. You fantasize about fighting for real life everyday things.

The fact that you really think you could take away a brick from someone who was specifically planning to ambush you unawares shows this level of fantasy.

[faxiapreta]

Huh? Out of context. Either quote the full context or do not. Put just talking about part of it...well that just shows the type of personality...come on now lil buddy keep working.

Like I said, I'm a little thick. Please explain the rules comment.

[瓜娃子]

Like I said, I'm a little thick. Please explain the rules comment.

You are thick? I likes em thick...I will bootywarrior you.

[Lucas]

I train all day long every day to memorize floorplans, posting rotations, entrances/exits, and how to bypass the security system, enter un noticed, navigate to my objective and then to exit unnoticed.

You train all day long every day to spot and pinpoint easy targets based on body movement and cognitive state, determine if there is something worthwhile in a reachable location, create minor distractions on these individuals in public places, reach and secure your objective without detection, and move on your way.


if you try to break into a secure building, compared to picking a pocket, you have a higher chance of failure.

if i try to pick pocket someone in a crowd, compared to burglery, i have a higher chance of failure.

whether or not either one of us would be successful at the others specified trade will depend on many factors, and it is not impossible. for any activity, there is an amount of cross over skill that directly relates to your personal skill sets. the closer the activities, the better your personal skill set will transfer over to any one particular activity.

and THIS is why all kungfu guys are good in bed.

i hope this helps everyone.

[Snipsky]

You don't fight, though. You fantasize about fighting for real life everyday things.

The fact that you really think you could take away a brick from someone who was specifically planning to ambush you unawares shows this level of fantasy.

people who constantly prepare mentally for a situation of an attack from behind is far better off than a person who does not. Sports fighting doesn't provide from situational or scenario types situations......

you're are with him in fantasy land too.

[faxiapreta]

You are thick? I likes em thick...I will bootywarrior you.

Wrong forum. You need the gay kung fu forum. I know the forms and techniques posted here seem gay, but I don't think this is really the gay kung fu forum.

[Northwind]

You don't fight, though. You fantasize about fighting for real life everyday things.

Here we go again.
Did you actually read the message? I said I don't fight challenge matches.
But, to give you credit...you obviously MUST be my best friend forever if you already know my fantasies...How did you know?

The fact that you really think you could take away a brick from someone who was specifically planning to ambush you unawares shows this level of fantasy.
And the fact that you think you know ANYTHING about TCMA is absurd. Go drown now, lil buddy.

[Northwind]

Like I said, I'm a little thick. Please explain the rules comment.

Already did.

[Northwind]

Wrong forum. You need the gay kung fu forum. I know the forms and techniques posted here seem gay, but I don't think this is really the gay kung fu forum.
Really? So they seem gay? So why are you here (none of our business), other than you are attracted to it?

U
Mad
Bro
?

[瓜娃子]

Wrong forum. You need the gay kung fu forum. I know the forms and techniques posted here seem gay, but I don't think this is really the gay kung fu forum.

I'm not gay, I just want to be inside of you...and I want you to struggle.

What is so wrong about that? Its normal.

[faxiapreta]

people who constantly prepare mentally for a situation of an attack from behind is far better off than a person who does not. Sports fighting doesn't provide from situational or scenario types situations......

you're are with him in fantasy land too.

Tell ya what Snipsky, let's do the scenario Northwind proposed. Me, a sport fighter with my lack of awareness skills. You with your training in situational attacks. Send me your information and I'll do the recon on you. Then, lets see if my sport training allows me to sneak up unawares and choke you out before you know what happening or if you can fend me off. Sound fair?

[Lucas]

i'm not gay, i just want to be inside of you...and i want you to struggle.

What is so wrong about that? Its normal.

lol!!!!!!!!!

[Lucas]

Tell ya what Snipsky, let's do the scenario Northwind proposed. Me, a sport fighter with my lack of awareness skills. You with your training in situational attacks. Send me your information and I'll do the recon on you. Then, lets see if my sport training allows me to sneak up unawares and choke you out before you know what happening or if you can fend me off. Sound fair?

no thats not fair. how about we reverse it and he gets to sneak up on you and tries to do a short spear form on you before you can notice. since its just a form you cant possibly be killed by the spear.

[Snipsky]

Tell ya what Snipsky, let's do the scenario Northwind proposed. Me, a sport fighter with my lack of awareness skills. You with your training in situational attacks. Send me your information and I'll do the recon on you. Then, lets see if my sport training allows me to sneak up unawares and choke you out before you know what happening or if you can fend me off. Sound fair?

sure. as soon as you admit to your real identity and show us that you can really fight. sound fair?

oh but, i promise you this....you'd never see me coming.

no thats not fair. how about we reverse it and he gets to sneak up on you and tries to do a short spear form on you before you can notice. since its just a form you cant possibly be killed by the spear.

or a pair of daggers.....haha

[faxiapreta]

sure. as soon as you admit to your real identity and show us that you can really fight. sound fair?

oh but, i promise you this....you'd never see me coming.

No, we wouldn't want you to know who I am. Remember, it's supposed to be without warning. That's what you situational awareness is training you for.

You do have the part right about not seeing me coming.

[Northwind]

no thats not fair. how about we reverse it and he gets to sneak up on you and tries to do a short spear form on you before you can notice. since its just a form you cant possibly be killed by the spear.

lol f'-ing love it

[Snipsky]

No, we wouldn't want you to know who I am. Remember, it's supposed to be without warning. That's what you situational awareness is training you for.

You do have the part right about not seeing me coming.

hey, you're pretty good at hiding in the shadows now behind a fake name. but, i'll let you live in that fantasy.

[Northwind]

No, we wouldn't want you to know who I am. Remember, it's supposed to be without warning. That's what you situational awareness is training you for.

You do have the part right about not seeing me coming.

Talking about rights? But you have the right to come here into OUR HOUSE and be a complete utter LITTLE BUDDY, and expect everyone to lay down and WELCOME you???


Get a clue. Or just go back under the rock you crawled out from under.

[瓜娃子]

No, we wouldn't want you to know who I am. Remember, it's supposed to be without warning. That's what you situational awareness is training you for.

You do have the part right about not seeing me coming.

You will not see me coming.

But you will feel it inside.

[Snipsky]

You will not see me coming.

But you will feel it inside.

you're gonna make him hate kung fu people even more for gang rappin his arse....:D

[瓜娃子]

I like ya

and I want cha

now we can do this the easy way or the hard way

I am a warriya

[Snipsky]

I like ya

and I want cha

now we can do this the easy way or the hard way

I am a warriya

that would be the best. Sneak up on faxiapreta and whisper that in his ear as you have a nice pressed deep into his back waiting for him to flinch.

[瓜娃子]

I don't want to do that, but you go ahead.


If I made him my wife I would bite half of his ear off while doing him...but I won't take him as my wife.

He is annoying.

[Snipsky]

http://www.videobash.com/video_show/mannequin-rape-29833

[faxiapreta]

Talking about rights? But you have the right to come here into OUR HOUSE and be a complete utter LITTLE BUDDY, and expect everyone to lay down and WELCOME you???


Get a clue. Or just go back under the rock you crawled out from under.

Your house. LOL... you need to get a clue.

[Northwind]

Your house. LOL... you need to get a clue.

Yes...Our House.

The one that says KUNG FU MAGAZINE. Not moronic troll without any TCMA experience at all. That's the one.

[faxiapreta]

Yes...Our House.

The one that says KUNG FU MAGAZINE. Not moronic troll without any TCMA experience at all. That's the one.

You make a lot of assumptions there.

[SPJ]

it is kind of sad that inside kung fu magazine is gone

i am so used to punch holes

and string 12 issues together for each year

I usually read the people section and interview

sort of people magazine for kungfu/wushu/cinema etc

many people like to bind magazine together as if they are one big book

those were the days.

:)

[TenTigers]

"around here, we plays house.
Now, you wanna be the mamma, or you wanna be the daddy?"

[SimonM]

also Picasso said, "mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal"

No, I said that!

[Snipsky]

"around here, we plays house.
Now, you wanna be the mamma, or you wanna be the daddy?"

we can do this the Hod Way...or the E Z way.....the choyce iz yorz....