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YouKnowWho

06-30-2011, 05:04 PM

Now I do hours of deep stance work. That is the ultimate secret of kung fu...that and medical qi gong and Daoist theory,

but you can't embody the theory or tonify yin or the dai mai without low stance training.

What is this and does it make sense? anyone want to share?

YouknowWho, Tentiger,
Could you share your view?
The stance training is not on my priority list. I have always believed that

- Running is better than walking.
- Walking is better than standing.

The running water is hard for any bugs to grow. I prefer to spend more time to polish my entering skill (footwork, Shenfa, ..) instead of stay in ZZ like an idiot. The day that I

- go to jail, I'll have all the time in the world to train my low stances.
- die, I'll meditate in my coffin for the next 5,000 years.

As long as I'm still alive, I want to walk, run, jump in the air, enjoy my life, meet beautiful women, and see the beautiful world.

瓜娃子

06-30-2011, 05:18 PM

The stance training is not on my priority list. I have always believed that

- Running is better than walking.
- Walking is better than standing.

The running water is hard for any bugs to grow. I prefer to spend more time to polish my entering skill (footwork, Shenfa, ..) instead of stay in ZZ like an idiot. The day that I

- go to jail, I'll have all the time in the world to train my low stances.
- die, I'll meditate in my coffin for the next 5,000 years.

As long as I'm still alive, I want to walk, run, jump in the air, enjoy my life, meet beautiful women, and see the beautiful world.

Yeah man...and instead of reading..we'll like..we'll skim man...we'll skim the jacket covers. That's better than reading man.

Hendrik

06-30-2011, 05:43 PM

Yeah man...and instead of reading..we'll like..we'll skim man...we'll skim the jacket covers. That's better than reading man.

so what is deep/low stance got to do with tonify Yin and dai mai?

Now I do hours of deep stance work. That is the ultimate secret of kung fu...that and medical qi gong and Daoist theory,

but you can't embody the theory or tonify yin or the dai mai without low stance training.

瓜娃子

06-30-2011, 05:51 PM

Hendrik

06-30-2011, 05:59 PM

not a stance, but a functional stance.

Relaxing into it in a fluid and moving figure 8 down to 90 degrees that you can lunge out of.

Low stances open the hui yin point. When the collaterals are open it draws up yin like a straw. Yin turns to yang. The dai mai holds it together.

Doesnt make sense for me.

1, Hui Yin needs to be always close to promote recycle back to Du medirians instead of open. otherwise this could not be Xiao Zhou Tien method.

2, how Dai mai related with lower or higher stance and hui yin?

3, Lower stance doesnt by default open the legs yin medirians so that the leg three yins flow to the chest. in fact, lower stance similar to those in Wushu or some southern style or Shao lin is going to cause the yin medirians more stuck.

Hendrik

06-30-2011, 06:04 PM

瓜娃子

06-30-2011, 06:09 PM

Doesnt make sense for me.

1, Hui Yin needs to be always close to promote recycle back to Du medirians instead of open. otherwise this could not be Xiao Zhou Tien method.

2, how Dai mai related with lower or higher stance and hui yin?

3, Lower stance doesnt by default open the legs yin medirians so that the leg three yins flow to the chest. in fact, lower stance similar to those in Wushu or some southern style or Shao lin is going to cause the yin medirians more stuck.

1. How does any yin qi get into the body. When the hui yin is open. That is how you draw it in and up..then you can move it around. Heaven and Earth extend beyond the human frame.

2. Dai mai relates to the waist and how open it is.

3. If the dai mai is open any stance will leave the yin channels open. Shaolin wushu is bull**** because it isn't functional stance. Functional stance means that it is open.

Hendrik

06-30-2011, 06:28 PM

just my personal opinions. dont take it serious.

1. How does any yin qi get into the body. When the hui yin is open.

Earth's Yin get into the body via the legs' three yin medirians. or the tip of the toes....

When Hui Yin is open, the qi from ren flow downward and from Hui Yin branch down and dissipate instead of going up toward Du medirian.

That is how you draw it in and up..then you can move it around.

When do you draw it up? inhale? exhale? which path? Ren, Du, legs 3 yins?

2. Dai mai relates to the waist and how open it is.

Dai mai relates to the waist and independent of high or low stance.

3. If the dai mai is open any stance will leave the yin channels open.

Dai mai is not directly related to legs three yin and three yang similar to ren and Du.

Shaolin wushu is bull**** because it isn't functional stance. Functional stance means that it is open.

Shao lin wushu might be bull.

but your theory above doesnt seem to get it open/activate either in my understanding of the traditional Qi cultivation way. also in general Hung Gar stance also doesnt have it.

Well, may be I dont know what I am talking about and you are right.

on second thought, I think I know what you try to lead to but you are not clear and not get a working process which will not open up to get what you want.

SPJ

06-30-2011, 06:53 PM

The stance training is not on my priority list. I have always believed that

- Running is better than walking.
- Walking is better than standing.

The running water is hard for any bugs to grow. I prefer to spend more time to polish my entering skill (footwork, Shenfa, ..) instead of stay in ZZ like an idiot. The day that I

- go to jail, I'll have all the time in the world to train my low stances.
- die, I'll meditate in my coffin for the next 5,000 years.

As long as I'm still alive, I want to walk, run, jump in the air, enjoy my life, meet beautiful women, and see the beautiful world.

yes.

that was why i traveled around the globe in my late 20s and early 30s.

--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBGXuI5CQP8

me got old

but the beauty of the mountains and the waters are still there.

i also enjoy romanticism or love affair that lasts or withstands the trials of times

--

:)

YouKnowWho

06-30-2011, 07:18 PM

that was why i traveled around the globe in my late 20s and early 30s.
In Glacier National Park, the 17.7 miles Dawson-Pitamakan Passes Trail may be the most beautiful hiking trail in US. I had done it twice. Both time I could finish it with in 10 hours. I strongly suggest others to have experience on that trail in their life time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ly2z-ANbqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPKuEHoqShA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYSVyOK4vQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-cf2j8zO8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVE_UDk19i4&feature=BFa&list=WL7D6995C111BF3C3F&index=4

The day that you no longer be able to hike this trail, the day that you can do your standing all day long.

瓜娃子

06-30-2011, 09:15 PM

just my personal opinions. dont take it serious.

Earth's Yin get into the body via the legs' three yin medirians. or the tip of the toes....

When Hui Yin is open, the qi from ren flow downward and from Hui Yin branch down and dissipate instead of going up toward Du medirian.

When do you draw it up? inhale? exhale? which path? Ren, Du, legs 3 yins?

Dai mai relates to the waist and independent of high or low stance.

Dai mai is not directly related to legs three yin and three yang similar to ren and Du.

Shao lin wushu might be bull.

but your theory above doesnt seem to get it open/activate either in my understanding of the traditional Qi cultivation way. also in general Hung Gar stance also doesnt have it.

Well, may be I dont know what I am talking about and you are right.

on second thought, I think I know what you try to lead to but you are not clear and not get a working process which will not open up to get what you want.

Dai mai is related to the leg meridians because Dai mai passes directly through the ming men which controls the entire lower gate.

Yin qi goes up via suction, just like a tree draws up water. If the toes are open, but not hui yin (good luck with that) you can't draw up yin through that. For me I can't imagine relaxing the calves before the perineum, but thats just me.

This is why low stances are done. For the ming men, dai mai and drawing up yin to the kidneys. Long term stance work requires relaxed and open meridians to get that suction.

SPJ

07-01-2011, 07:45 AM

In Glacier National Park, the 17.7 miles Dawson-Pitamakan Passes Trail may be the most beautiful hiking trail in US. I had done it twice. Both time I could finish it with in 10 hours. I strongly suggest others to have experience on that trail in their life time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ly2z-ANbqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPKuEHoqShA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYSVyOK4vQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m-cf2j8zO8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVE_UDk19i4&feature=BFa&list=WL7D6995C111BF3C3F&index=4

The day that you no longer be able to hike this trail, the day that you can do your standing all day long.

the wise loves to be near the mountain

the benevolent loves to be near the water

zhi zhe yao shan

ren zhe yao shui

I may add

to have a big heart just like the sky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjs1pYKcidA

people are so finite compared with the mountain, water and the infinity of the sky

--

:cool:

SPJ

07-01-2011, 07:50 AM

nowadays

there are electrical back/arm massage chair and foot massage pedal

you just sit and lay your arms and feet on rests and pedal

--

all of your meridians are massaged or stimulated

you may control the temp or heating and frequency of stimulation

--

hey it is 2011

--

standing in posture correctly does have health benefits

it is all about centering ourself against the gravity of the planet earth

--

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 09:23 AM

Dai mai is related to the leg meridians because Dai mai passes directly through the ming men which controls the entire lower gate.

Yin qi goes up via suction, just like a tree draws up water. If the toes are open, but not hui yin (good luck with that) you can't draw up yin through that. For me I can't imagine relaxing the calves before the perineum, but thats just me.

This is why low stances are done.

For the ming men, dai mai and drawing up yin to the kidneys. Long term stance work requires relaxed and open meridians to get that suction.

Just my personal view again,

Now you add in the new term Ming Men and Kidney....etc.

I have travel this path before. Just dont want to sound critic and negative. it doesnt work because the theory is distorted and the process is off.

This type of view is very general in TCMA, it is a partial view that doesnt describe what it is. So, there is no real handling in the qi and training.
Thus, it is doubtful this type of model can be synthesis and produce repeatable result.

Some says internal art works, some says internal art doest work....etc. In my opinion, it is all about knowing the big picture and the details with the process on what can be done.

All these Ming Men, hui yin.... yin medirians....Kidney....etc is independent with how high or low the stance.

Low stance are bad deal in the training before one could open and handling all key gates needed. Those drawing stuffs are trouble which will cause Pien Cha or off erro because it violate the basic key principle of Dao following the natural of internal training.

As for the "calves before the perineum,.."
without having the toes to calves to tigh , hip joints, perineum....... to the top of the head loose up. there is place for 1, cultivate Qi flow, 2 natural low abs breathing, 3, momentum transfer in fajing handling.

These are internal martial art elements. So, contradict to some who dont believe in internal martial art IMA, these stuffs exist. and it is a different training compare with the external martial art. very different.

anyone interested to open up the discussion on these ? it is an interesting topic which could be traced since the begining of Qing dynasty.....

bawang

07-01-2011, 10:58 AM

the secret is david ross

TenTigers

07-01-2011, 11:15 AM

Hendrik, I don't have an extensive knowledge on hei-gung and points and meridians.
Robert Chu would probably be able to shed some light on this topic, as he is well-versed in Hung Kuen ,Hei-Gung, and is an acupuncturist, so he is very knowledgeable.

TenTigers

07-01-2011, 11:16 AM

could you show a chart or diagram of these channels?
also-I was taught to draw up from the earth through the yung-chuan point-is this not correct??

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 12:15 PM

Just my personal view again,

Now you add in the new term Ming Men and Kidney....etc.

Because these are integral to the dai mai.

I have travel this path before. Just dont want to sound critic and negative. it doesnt work because the theory is distorted and the process is off.

Not at all, please explain your viewpoint more.

This type of view is very general in TCMA, it is a partial view that doesnt describe what it is. So, there is no real handling in the qi and training.
Thus, it is doubtful this type of model can be synthesis and produce repeatable result.

TCM is very general because it is the wushu of medicine.

All these Ming Men, hui yin.... yin medirians....Kidney....etc is independent with how high or low the stance.

True, but in order for holding a low stance for any length of time they must be fully engaged. High stances are easier faked.

Low stance are bad deal in the training before one could open and handling all key gates needed. Those drawing stuffs are trouble which will cause Pien Cha or off erro because it violate the basic key principle of Dao following the natural of internal training.

Very true. Most people force this training, it can give them internal heat.

As for the "calves before the perineum,.."
without having the toes to calves to tigh , hip joints, perineum....... to the top of the head loose up. there is place for 1, cultivate Qi flow, 2 natural low abs breathing, 3, momentum transfer in fajing handling.

These are internal martial art elements. So, contradict to some who dont believe in internal martial art IMA, these stuffs exist. and it is a different training compare with the external martial art. very different.

anyone interested to open up the discussion on these ? it is an interesting topic which could be traced since the begining of Qing dynasty.....

I would. I thin this is the most interesting discussion I have had on here.

As to the dai mai. Gall bladder qi regulated qi in the whole body and its exit point is the zu ling qi which is master of the dai.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 12:39 PM

could you show a chart or diagram of these channels?
also-I was taught to draw up from the earth through the yung-chuan point-is this not correct??

Thanks Tentigers,

The issue with all of these yung chuan, hui yin.........Gall bladder....etc
is a big confusion in TCMA and IMA. it has gone to the level of totally lost.

is it true one draw up the qi via yung chuan? yes, however, if you draw it up intentionally then that needs to have special training otherwise it will screw up the flow of Qi since disrupting the Qi medirians natural flow .

so, in fact, if one has a clear view of what is going on. everything could converge.

from how physical structure influence the breathing, the Qi flow; how the natural qi flow is enhance, how and where the Qi fuse with the physical, and how the yee lead qi and qi transport the physical. Bottom line, one needs to express qi in physical for martial art purpose.

That is what happen in Qing Dynasty in the era when SLT is created or Taiji being created....etc.

Now, in today's world, there are lots of bits and pieces out there, but the systemic of physical, breathing, and Qi. up to the momentum generation....etc all are mess up.

so, some might using the TCM theory to talk about Qi. but then, if the person doesnt know how Qi is actually handle, then that is just speculation which doesnt do much. if the person doesnt know how to fuse Qi with physical. then the qi is just some kind of imaginary stuffs.

So, there is something there which is in fact " internal" which most doesnt know today. knowing this "internal" is like adding a Turbo into one's engine.

I stumble into these 30 years ago when I was given the SLT kuen kuit. to explore why SLT works in the past and no longer now. I finally have a brief idea only a few years ago after I go through different studies and learning......from the south to northen to Daoism to Buddhism.. taiji to WCK to ... to western pre newtonian era stuffs... yes, it exists and with the key, one could improve atleast 2 X of one's ability over night and grow more with training.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 12:46 PM

I would. I thin this is the most interesting discussion I have had on here.

As to the dai mai. Gall bladder qi regulated qi in the whole body and its exit point is the zu ling qi which is master of the dai.

What is Zu ling Qi? please explain with GB or ....ect. I dont what to guess.

To be real honest, you have gone off target with Gall bladder....etc. there is a different between how different medirians regulate the body naturally and how Qi is cultivate to fuse and boost the physical for martial art application.

not to mention, Gall bladder medirian is a Yang medirian, it flows down from head instead of draw up from ground.

IMHO. this is what you may be want.
Tripple Heat or San Siao is the one that reach the whole body's Qi and San Ciao's root is Ming Men. so it is Tripple heat not Gall bladder qi/medirians.
and that is different with Dai mai.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 12:56 PM

What is Zu ling Qi? please explain with GB or ....ect. I dont what to guess.

To be real honest, you have gone off target with Gall bladder....etc.

not to mention, Gall bladder medirian is a Yang medirian, it flows down from head instead of draw up from ground.

IMHO.
Tripple Heat or San Siao is the one that reach the whole body's Qi and San Ciao's root is Ming Men. that is what you want. not Gall bladder. and that is different with Dai mai.

Of course this whole discussion does beg the question:

How can you know any of this regarding something that can't be seen, measured or detected?

And who decided somewhere along the line which way the meridian would flow? It's not like there is any objective measurement of it anywhere.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 12:57 PM

Earth's Yin get into the body via the legs' three yin medirians. or the tip of the toes....

When Hui Yin is open, the qi from ren flow downward and from Hui Yin branch down and dissipate instead of going up toward Du medirian..

Really? Who decided this?

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 12:57 PM

How can you know any of this regarding something that can't be seen, measured or detected?

And who decided somewhere along the line which way the meridian would flow? It's not like there is any objective measurement of it anywhere.

have you done any research into this yourself?

Lucas

07-01-2011, 12:58 PM

Really? Who decided this?

bruce lee did.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 12:58 PM

Of course this whole discussion does beg the question:

How can you know any of this regarding something that can't be seen, measured or detected?

And who decided somewhere along the line which way the meridian would flow? It's not like there is any objective measurement of it anywhere.

To the contradiction, it can be monitor and handle direct or indirectly depend on the issue , if one train in it.

No one decides, it is all about according to nature. it is not something man made. it is another way on how to knows one's body-mind. To train in it actually is giving up belief and thinking and enter into an alterstate.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:00 PM

To the contradiction, it can be monitor and handle direct or indirectly depend on the issue , if one train in it.

How do you monitor it? How is it measured? How do you know which direction it moves?

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 01:02 PM

How do you monitor it? How is it measured? How do you know which direction it moves?

It doesn't...we are just playing make believe...now go away.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:03 PM

It doesn't...we are just playing make believe...now go away.

Oh, more snake oil. I see. Thanks.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:05 PM

It doesn't...we are just playing make believe...now go away.
__________________

wow, that worked nicely.

How do you monitor it? How is it measured? How do you know which direction it moves?

before you shoot it down, i think its wise to know if there are ways of measuring it or not.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 01:06 PM

How do you monitor it? How is it measured? How do you know which direction it moves?

if you body has been condition to loose enough and the mind is quiet enough. and you enter the alter state. Your awareness will notice hese things flow in your body. or one can use brain wave and thermal tracking to track if one want to go the western Newtonian philosophy way.

also, when one could fuse the Qi to support the physical, one boost the physical action similar to turbo charge. Qi can be expressed in physical.

anyone just by knowing and learning some keys handling of Qi -physical fusion will increase the physical ability by 2 X or more over night.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 01:08 PM

if you body has been condition to loose enough and the mind is quiet enough. and you enter the alter state. Your awareness will notice hese things flow in your body. or one can use brain wave and thermal tracking to track if one want to go the western Newtonian philosophy way.

also, when one could fuse the Qi to support the physical, one boost the physical action similar to turbo charge. Qi can be expressed in physical.

anyone just by knowing some keys handling will increase the physical ability by 2 X or more over night.

dont bother with him.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:09 PM

if you body has been condition to loose enough and the mind is quiet enough. and you enter the alter state. Your awareness will notice hese things flow in your body. or one can use brain wave and thermal tracking to track if one want to go the western Newtonian philosophy way.

also, when one could fuse the Qi to support the physical, one boost the physical action similar to turbo charge. Qi can be expressed in physical.

Cool. Thanks.

I see your version is real while the version of 瓜娃子 is snake oil.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:11 PM

This here is FORM/FORUM KINGS territory......STEP

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 01:12 PM

Cool. Thanks.

I see your version is real while the version of 瓜娃子 is snake oil.

it is just an alchemist where one boost the physical with Qi. or power the car with gasoline. gasoline is not car but it power car. the issue is how to transform the gasoline to power the car. that is the points most in general fail to answer and thus they deny the existance of Qi and internal martial art. because gasoline is just liquid for them, and even not exist because it will evaporate. and Car is solid like rock.

so how is the evaporateable gasoline/gas power the car? for most that is impossible. until one knows one could cause the gas to explode with fire and using the explosion to power the car.

Same deal.

if you want to keep padel your bicycle using your muscle that is fine. but one can use the gasoline to power the car. and sure, those who think the only way in the world is to use the muscle to padle the bicycle is correct if they keep asking what Gasoline? gas? no muscle? because they dont know there are other ways.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:15 PM

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:17 PM

http://www.holistic-mindbody-healing.com/images/meridians_2.jpg

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 01:25 PM

http://www.holistic-mindbody-healing.com/images/meridians_2.jpg

this doesnt tell anything about Qi fusion to power the physical. these are just showing how the natural flow of one's body's Qi. it also doesnt say anything about accumulate the Qi....for enhance or transformation....etc.

So, using TCM alone will not get one far.

one needs to have the Daoist part, TCM part, martial art part of Qi knowledge to make it works. and only when these 3 parts converge. one sees the big picture clearly and will know if the process will work or not.

most of us doesnt even have a partial of one of these part. so it is hopeless to get there.

as the car analogy, these stuffs are just gasoline pipe line. one needs the combustion system to make it works solidly. and in ancient china, that is not for revealing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTX88Sv4I8

so for example, mind is spark, Qi and breathing is gasoline, Dan dien is combustion chambel.....

so it has been long we get into a wrong way so we cannot crack the code... we confuse and.... like this song.

看不穿是你失落的魂魄
猜不透是你瞳孔的颜色
一阵风一场梦气如生命般莫测
你的心到底被什么蛊惑
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRe4Dk327wg

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:31 PM

The image was for meridian therapy. my bad

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 01:36 PM

TCM should be the Daoist and qi gong part together, but it got split apart after the cultural revolution.

Qi has its natural flow, just like roots in a tree, the zymum and flowum are a two way street, just like meridians.

Its true, it is more about them working together.

You open yong quan and lao gong, you open bai hui and hui yin.

Do you pull in through the toes or hui yin? The answer is yes, you are drawing up and through every passage way. Driving to a destination requires many roads, if one is closed it causes a traffic jam.

Why low stances? Because then the channels must be open or the traffic will easily jam

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 01:37 PM

The image was for meridian therapy. my bad

it is ok. nothing to do with you.

TCM doctor and accupunctists also doesnt get it if they have never learn the martial Qi-physical fusion of IMA.

in fact, without one really cultivate the Qi, just speculating with mind will never get there because Qi is not a product of mind but a partner like the body is a partner or mind.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 01:44 PM

You open yong quan and lao gong, you open bai hui and hui yin.

Do you pull in through the toes or hui yin? The answer is yes, you are drawing up and through every passage way. Driving to a destination requires many roads, if one is closed it causes a traffic jam.

Why low stances? Because then the channels must be open or the traffic will easily jam

In my humble opinion.

these are surface stuffs and almost useless.

the real deal is small move better then big move. no move better then small move. because it real martial application everything happen in a split of second and needed in zero physical distance , so can the "gasline combustion system" turn on in that split of second? that is the key of training.

as the founder of Yichuan said, not intention is intention. unless one has transform one's body into that type of direction and can evoke the power in an instance.

all these open huiyin, open bai hui.... are great to give some speach in New age gathering or spar. it does nothing much. thus, it does nothing to those who challenge one on Qi and IMA because it doesnt work well.

Low stance cannot be used for any beginner because it tense up the muscle and that block both the Yang and Yin medirians. Thus, those who really knows how to cultivate these stuffs will do it in equal shoulder stance where the body is naturally put into very low stress condition.

One dont needs to turn on Dai mai because Dai mai is just a horizontal flow......

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:45 PM

The image was for meridian therapy. my bad

Anyone can draw lines on a picture. Doesn't make it real.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 01:47 PM

it is just an alchemist where one boost the physical with Qi. or power the car with gasoline. gasoline is not car but it power car. the issue is how to transform the gasoline to power the car. that is the points most in general fail to answer and thus they deny the existance of Qi and internal martial art. because gasoline is just liquid for them, and even not exist because it will evaporate. and Car is solid like rock.

so how is the evaporateable gasoline/gas power the car? for most that is impossible. until one knows one could cause the gas to explode with fire and using the explosion to power the car.

Same deal.

if you want to keep padel your bicycle using your muscle that is fine. but one can use the gasoline to power the car. and sure, those who think the only way in the world is to use the muscle to padle the bicycle is correct if they keep asking what Gasoline? gas? no muscle? because they dont know there are other ways.

Gasoline is a substance you can see it, touch it feel it.

Same with nerves, blood, and other tissue.

There is no objective measurement of qi or its flow. This leaves it and its function completely subjective to whatever someone says it is.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:48 PM

Anyone can draw lines on a picture. Doesn't make it real.

Yeah i know, anyone who competes would know this. :D

Northwind

07-01-2011, 01:50 PM

Anyone can draw lines on a picture. Doesn't make it real.

I would hazard a guess that very few people who are into qigong or tcm or anything somewhat related, care about what you think is real or not.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 01:52 PM

Gasoline is a substance you can see it, touch it feel it.

Prove it. No video, no dice. No scientific double-blind study published in the scientific medical journals that I happen to read and...that's right - No Dice. I don't believe you - Prove it. Such ludicrous claims need evidence, not anecdotes.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 01:52 PM

I would hazard a guess that very few people who are into qigong or tcm or anything somewhat related, care about what you think is real or not.

right right.....

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:03 PM

Prove it. No video, no dice. No scientific double-blind study published in the scientific medical journals that I happen to read and...that's right - No Dice. I don't believe you - Prove it. Such ludicrous claims need evidence, not anecdotes.

Do you have a car? Drive it without filling up with gas. See what happens when you don't do that. Fill it up with that liquid and notice how it goes again.

There ya go.

Now you do the same type of proof with qi.

I'm waiting.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:05 PM

I would hazard a guess that very few people who are into qigong or tcm or anything somewhat related, care about what you think is real or not.

You are probably right about that. They don't care much about what is real or not. They prefer snake oil and claims with no proof.

Same type of people who fall for internet scams and get their ID's stolen.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 02:10 PM

Now you do the same type of proof with qi.

I'm waiting.

Qi is beyond the scope of the scientific community. They have not proven it wrong, but since they have no way to measure it they can't disprove it either.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 02:13 PM

You are probably right about that. They don't care much about what is real or not. They prefer snake oil and claims with no proof.

Same type of people who fall for internet scams and get their ID's stolen.

actually, what you've said only needs to be said once. but you go around here as if you got NOT REAL tourettes syndrome that never rests.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:15 PM

Qi is beyond the scope of the scientific community. They have not proven it wrong, but since they have no way to measure it they can't disprove it either.

Which leaves it up to completely subjective interpretation... basically, as subjective as drawing lines on a piece of paper, or as subjective as Hendrik saying qi flows this way or that because he says he can feel it doing so.

Doesn't make it real anymore than this was real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLB0UTO7-Xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:23 PM

actually, what you've said only needs to be said once. but you go around here as if you got NOT REAL tourettes syndrome that never rests.

LOL... so says the guy who keeps repeating the same exact sentence in almost everything he posts.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 02:25 PM

LOL... so says the guy who keeps repeating the same exact sentence in almost everything he posts.

hey man, anyone who competes would know this already man.....

hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already

just a few more for the Draaaa-ma

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:41 PM

Do you have a car? Drive it without filling up with gas. See what happens when you don't do that. Fill it up with that liquid and notice how it goes again.

There ya go.

Now you do the same type of proof with qi.

I'm waiting.

Wait no more, my friend!
I have done it countless times and continue to on a fairly regular basis.

Depending on the set of qigong, as there are so many for so many different needs.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:44 PM

You are probably right about that. They don't care much about what is real or not.

So then, what you think is real, simply IS REAL. Nice.

They prefer snake oil and claims with no proof.

That's some claim you have there. Please provide any sort of proof whatsoever that a practitioner or even a fan of TCM or Qigong has stated that they prefer snake oil. As you said earlier, I'm waiting...

Same type of people who fall for internet scams and get their ID's stolen.
Awww...Sorry you went through that. I guess that must have been pretty horrible for you. But then again maybe not - since you're the anonymous master here, you could pretty much make whatever ID you wanted when your old one got snatched, huh?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:46 PM

Which leaves it up to completely subjective interpretation... basically, as subjective as drawing lines on a piece of paper, or as subjective as Hendrik saying qi flows this way or that because he says he can feel it doing so.
Doesn't make it real anymore than this was real...snip...

Sorry to have to revert to pre-toddler education here bro, but...wait for it...LIFE is subjective.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:46 PM

hey man, anyone who competes would know this already man.....

hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already
hey man, anyone who competes would know this already

just a few more for the Draaaa-ma

And hey man - how bout we go back to the origin of how that quote began? Somehow I have it stuck in my brain that it was due to you originally saying this...

EDIT lol sorry Quoted wrong one :P

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:48 PM

Wait no more, my friend!
I have done it countless times and continue to on a fairly regular basis.

Depending on the set of qigong, as there are so many for so many different needs.

As I have proven many times its lack of existence.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:50 PM

Qigong = snake oil.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:52 PM

Sorry to have to revert to pre-toddler education here bro, but...wait for it...LIFE is subjective.

Yeah and when you live like in total subjectivity, what anyone says is real.

Does qi flow from the ground? Of course it does.

Does it come through your head? Of course it does.

Is it non-existent? Of course it does.

Does it exist? Of course it is.

Is it bull$hit? Of course it is.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:54 PM

As I have proven many times its lack of existence.

1) You can not prove the non-existence of something.
2) Where?
3) Of what? Qigong. Just do a cursory search on Google or Amazon. Evidently it does indeed exist.

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 02:54 PM

In my humble opinion.

these are surface stuffs and almost useless.

the real deal is small move better then big move. no move better then small move. because it real martial application everything happen in a split of second and needed in zero physical distance , so can the "gasline combustion system" turn on in that split of second? that is the key of training.

as the founder of Yichuan said, not intention is intention. unless one has transform one's body into that type of direction and can evoke the power in an instance.

all these open huiyin, open bai hui.... are great to give some speach in New age gathering or spar. it does nothing much. thus, it does nothing to those who challenge one on Qi and IMA because it doesnt work well.

Low stance cannot be used for any beginner because it tense up the muscle and that block both the Yang and Yin medirians. Thus, those who really knows how to cultivate these stuffs will do it in equal shoulder stance where the body is naturally put into very low stress condition.

One dont needs to turn on Dai mai because Dai mai is just a horizontal flow......

The original question was why low stances and what do they have to do with hui yin and the Dai mai. Gall bladder is not off topic or a tangent, one side of the circle goes up, the other must go down.

As to intention, you are right, it is useless to think of those things when fighting, however, the action of the low stances is supposed to teach relaxation and get these things to come about on their own.

The small and large cycle will happen by themselves without thinking about it simply from doing automatically what the posture teaches you.

How does it do that? Through the meridians opening and closing. But you are right that no intention is intention. That is surrender small intention for great intention.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:55 PM

Qigong = snake oil.
Really?
Hmmm...Actually when I took the Chinese characters and translated them into English, it came up with something very different from "snake oil". I guess your translation tool is a bit wonky. Better luck next time.

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 02:57 PM

for the record.

snake wine is sold in China. It opens the collateral. Poisons are used that way. Scorpion venom has a property which helps to regrow nerve tissue.

Snake oil probably worked to deaden nerves by blocking the synapse. This is how snake venom works.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:58 PM

Really?
Hmmm...Actually when I took the Chinese characters and translated them into English, it came up with something very different from "snake oil". I guess your translation tool is a bit wonky. Better luck next time.

Yeah, you are right. When you translate them they are, "Total unproven bullsh!t".

I stand corrected.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 02:58 PM

Yeah and when you live like in total subjectivity, what anyone says is real.

Your logic is flawed, friend.

Does qi flow from the ground? Of course it does.

Really? Thought you didn't believe it existed at all. Now you know all about it. Neato.

Does it come through your head? Of course it does.

See above.

Is it non-existent? Of course it does.

My goodness your English needs some work.

Does it exist? Of course it is.

There's that funny English cropping up again.

Is it bull$hit? Of course it is.
Wait! I thought Qigong = Snake Oil. Now you're saying Qigong = Bull$hit. Which is it?

You're knowledge in this area is overwhelmingly impressive; so much so that it begs the question: What Qigong have you learned? From who? Etc.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 02:59 PM

Now you're saying Qigong = Bull$hit. Which is it?.

See above.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:01 PM

Yeah, you are right. When you translate them they are, "Total unproven bullsh!t".
I stand corrected.
Well I hate to bring up the bad news to ya, friend, but "Total uproven bullsh!t" is actually not what it translates to either. Gosh I am sure you must be embarrassed! I'm sorry, buddy, but keep trying! You'll get there.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:01 PM

See above.
See above. Your translation is still incorrect.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:03 PM

FaxiaPreta, I really can't wait to hear about your learning, training, etc. about qigong.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:03 PM

You're knowledge in this area is overwhelmingly impressive; so much so that it begs the question: What Qigong have you learned? From who? Etc.

People with logically thinking critical minds don't need to learn Qugong to know it is bulls!it.

Same as they don't need to go to Benny Hin revivals to know what he is doing is bulls!it.

Same as they don't need answer Nigerian scam ads to know what that is bulls!it.

Same as they don't need to go to a flat earth society meeting to know what they are saying is bulls!it.

Logically thinking critical minds work in a variety of situations in which people are making unsubstantiated claims.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 03:06 PM

http://www.meh.ro/original/2009_12/meh.ro2937.jpg

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:06 PM

See above. Your translation is still incorrect.

Here's what it is: 这是废话

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 03:06 PM

next time you lift weights...do it while holding your breath.

qi gong means breath work.

No one cares about your ignorance...lets stay on topic.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:15 PM

People with logically thinking critical minds don't need to learn Qugong to know it is bulls!it.

Well there's you're problem right there! We are talking about Qigong, not Qugong. I agree with you though - Qugong does not exist; but then again who knows? I might find some qugong one day and like it.

But I am glad to know that someone subject to living life through subjective experiene, KNOWS what is real or exists, etc. simply cuz; and that "cuz" is mainly due to the very LACK of subjective experience. That's awesome. Almost like super powers.

Same as they don't need to go to Benny Hin revivals to know what he is doing is bulls!it.

Cool. I don't know much about Benny Hin nor what he is doing enough to judge.

Same as they don't need answer Nigerian scam ads to know what that is bulls!it.

I don't see how this relates to qigong nor qugong, really.

Same as they don't need to go to a flat earth society meeting to know what they are saying is bulls!it.

Actually, they did. Everyone thought it was flat til a crazy man said it wasn't. Then they were sure it was flat. Til something happened...

Logically thinking critical minds work in a variety of situations in which people are making unsubstantiated claims.
I bet they do. You might want to look into it.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by faxiapreta View Post
Does qi flow from the ground? Of course it does.

Is that what people call a "contradiction"? how does someone who thinks qi is BS? he confirms then denies......

Here's unproven subjective bullsh!t in theory followed by how that unproven bullsh!t plays out in action under an objective reality stress test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UKDzVmzt8

that is just like you man. the same video over and over and over and over as if that guy isn't a known joke as it is......

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:17 PM

Here's what it is: 这是废话

Sorry man. You might want to take a break or at least sit down for this, but...You're incorrect again. You're closer though. We are talking about a mainly Chinese type of thing and those squiggly lines up there sure are Chinese.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:18 PM

Here's unproven subjective bullsh!t in theory followed by how that unproven bullsh!t invariably plays out in action under an objective reality stress test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UKDzVmzt8

瓜娃子

07-01-2011, 03:19 PM

http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/papers.php

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:20 PM

Sorry man. You might want to take a break or at least sit down for this, but...You're incorrect again. You're closer though. We are talking about a mainly Chinese type of thing and those squiggly lines up there sure are Chinese.

Faxiapreta: DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE

Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this. Most people who have competed understand this.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:20 PM

Here's unproven subjective bullsh!t in theory followed by how that unproven bullsh!t invariably plays out in action under an objective reality stress test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UKDzVmzt8

I could have sworn that you already posted that clip in this thread and just a lil while ago. Does posting it twice make it more neato for you? I should try that technique sometime.

Not to mention that has nothing to do with neither qigong nor qugong.

I think you need a break. You're getting quite confused, little buddy.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:22 PM

Faxiapreta: DOES NOT COMPUTE...
Most people who have competed understand this...

LOL
Love it.
I can picture his lil robot self waving his lil arms round and weeble-wobbling off the fake crater on that show :P

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:23 PM

http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/papers.php

Does movement, exercise, and stress reduction improve physical health? Of course it does.

Does it have anything at all to do with qi? Of course it doesn't. At least not in any manner that is objective.

Which is exactly why you get people saying "It moves this way because I say it does because I feel it."

Not really that much different that the "too deadly to spar" techniques that are never objectively measured and then crumble to pieces when pitted against the scientific model.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:24 PM

LOL
Love it.
I can picture his lil robot self waving his lil arms round and weeble-wobbling off the fake crater on that show :P
_____________

Exactly how i pictured it.

SPJ

07-01-2011, 03:24 PM

there are things subjective.

there are things objective.

things that are measurable, observable or tangible to all, they are objective.

I am happy

I am sorry

I am feeling this and that

and yes you are not me

so you do not know how happy or how sorry I am

these are subjective

---

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:25 PM

Cool. I don't know much about Benny Hin nor what he is doing enough to judge.

You'd be a perfect candidate for his church.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:25 PM

Does movement, exercise, and stress reduction improve physical health? Of course it does.

Does it have anything at all to do with qi? Of course it doesn't. At least not in any manner that is objective.

Which is exactly why you get people saying "It moves this way because I say it does because I feel it."

Not really that much different that the "too deadly to spar" techniques that are never objectively measured and then crumble to pieces when pitted against the scientific model.

even when you change the words, you still sound like a broken record. power down man, your fans will overheat.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:31 PM

Does movement, exercise, and stress reduction improve physical health? Of course it does.
Does it have anything at all to do with qi? Of course it doesn't. At least not in any manner that is objective.

I thought you were a Qigong practitioner. Why now would you say Qi doesn't exist? That sounds like a very beginner level of a mistake. I am guessing your teacher is not happy with you. It's okay. Now that you've found Qugong, maybe you should spend more time practicing that instead.

But that does beg two very important questions.
1) Who are you to say what does and does not exist for everyone?
2) Last word, "objective", is important, isn't it? Let's bold it then. Objective. There - that's better. Now then. Didn't we agree that LIFE is SUBJECTIVE? If so, then why does something not correlating to OBJECTIVE proof invalidate it from SUBJECTIVE proof? The answer = it doesn't.

Which is exactly why you get people saying "It moves this way because I say it does because I feel it."

Which people? You're getting me confused.

Not really that much different that the "too deadly to spar" techniques that are never objectively measured and then crumble to pieces when pitted against the scientific model.
Wow you're really going a bit off the deep end here aren't ya? No correlation and no one said the things you said they are saying. Keep working buddy. With you working so hard and me helping motivate you, I think we make a great team.

Don't you?

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:32 PM

Qugong

I'm practicing Qugum (hubba bubba) right now....:D

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:32 PM

You'd be a perfect candidate for his church.
Well I appreciate your vote of confidence, but I am fairly certain you don't actually know me well enough to make that recommendation. However you do seem to know quite a bit about his church. Did you not get the Jesus ya needed? Here, come and let me give you a hug. I've got some for you.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:39 PM

I thought you were a Qigong practitioner.

I never said that. I warned you about making stuff up, right? And you agreed not to do that anymore, right little buddy?

Why now would you say Qi doesn't exist?

Looks like your level of intellectual reasoning is pretty low. Either that or you aren't making stuff up again like you agreed not to are you?

I said there is no objective measurement for qi.

1) Who are you to say what does and does not exist for everyone?

I'm not. I'm saying it becomes a problem because one person says qi flows this way and another says it flows the other way.

Last word, "objective", is important, isn't it? Let's bold it then. Objective. There - that's better. Now then. Didn't we agree that LIFE is SUBJECTIVE? If so, then why does something not correlating to OBJECTIVE proof invalidate it from SUBJECTIVE proof? The answer = it doesn't.

You said life was subjective, I didn't, nor did I agree with you. You seem to be making things up again, contrary to our agreement.

You see the problem there little buddy? If everything is subjective, you can simply make stuff up to suite your own needs and desires. That wouldn't make you very happy if people just decided that everything was subjective and they could decide whatever they wanted to do even though they had a standing agreement, right little buddy?

I think we make a great team.

Don't you?

No, we'd never make a good team. Your world is too subjective and made up for me.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 03:44 PM

The original question was why low stances and what do they have to do with hui yin and the Dai mai. Gall bladder is not off topic or a tangent, one side of the circle goes up, the other must go down.

How is Gall bladder medirian which is Yang medirian got to do with Hu Yin ?

Also, Gall bladder medirian related to Dai mai but it is not Dai mai. Dai mai is for horizontal flow and Gall bladder medirian is vertical flow.

how is all of the above got to do with low stances ?

you can argue with me for next 1000 years but you cant get it work.

As to intention, you are right, it is useless to think of those things when fighting, however, the action of the low stances is supposed to teach relaxation and get these things to come about on their own.

suppose to teach relaxation and get these things to come about on their own is one thing.

To have a proper model and be able to cultivate to the point of natural is another thing.

so, if one doesnt have a proper model and process, Qi is just wishful thoughts which never happen.

The small and large cycle will happen by themselves without thinking about it simply from doing automatically what the posture teaches you.

How does it do that?

Through the meridians opening and closing.

But you are right that no intention is intention. That is surrender small intention for great intention.

meridians opening and closing doesnt cultivate small large cycle.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 03:49 PM

How is Gall bladder medirian which is Yang medirian got to do with Hu Yin ?

Also, Gall bladder medirian related to Dai mai but it is not Dai mai. Dai mai is for horizontal flow and Gall bladder medirian is vertical flow.

how is all of the above got to do with low stances ?

you can argue with me for next 1000 years but you cant get it work.

suppose to teach relaxation and get these things to come about on their own is one thing.

To have a proper model and be able to cultivate to the point of natural is another thing.

so, if one doesnt have a proper model and process, Qi is just wishful thoughts which never happen.

meridians opening and closing doesnt cultivate small large cycle.

Exhibit A for what happens when you have no objective evidence for something.

Thank you.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 03:53 PM

Exhibit A for what happens when you have no objective evidence for something.

Thank you.

let's entertain the idea that there is none, ok. so if you're correct, what then? you walk away with a silly grin on your face like you won something?

off this forum i bet you still act the same and have a hard time conversing with others around you huh?

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 03:58 PM

Gasoline is a substance you can see it, touch it feel it.

Same with nerves, blood, and other tissue.

There is no objective measurement of qi or its flow. This leaves it and its function completely subjective to whatever someone says it is.

1,
Qi exist and can be measure objectively.

In the mean time the Western Newtonian philosophy based science can measure Qi using indirect path via heat , electromanagtic measurement, and other statistical data analysis.

So, objective measurement of Qi is not an issue.

the issue is, as an analogy, it is silly keep asking the millionaire to show their bank account with distrust and trying to disapprove them, instead of asking the millionaire how to make the money and become a millionaire oneself.

a skeptics of other capable to be a millionaire is his/her own subjective problem him/herself. no one could objectively solve that for them.

No one could persuade a skeptics objectively unless the skeptics give up his own skeptics mentality subjectively.

2,

This thread is on how Qi works which could be cultivate and express in physical form instead of proving Qi works. So, let's not spending time in this unrelated topic.

and BTW, when one could make Qi works to be expressed in physical form, one could measure it objectively. there is no arguement but objective physical facts.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 03:59 PM

I never said that. I warned you about making stuff up, right? And you agreed not to do that anymore, right little buddy?

Actually, little buddy, I agreed not to call you any rude names any more. But to directly address that...

Oh My Goodness! You're Right! You did not say that. It was my assumption, since you seemed to know so much about it. I mean only someone who has experienced it could be able to judge properly, right? But, Gosh, there must be Egg all over my face, huh fellas? I do apologize - I assumed, and ya know what they say about that, don't ya, little buddy?

Looks like your level of intellectual reasoning is pretty low. Either that or you aren't making stuff up again like you agreed not to are you?

Well I was going to address this, but then I noticed that I already did right above. Whoopsie :)

I said there is no objective measurement for qi.

Oh wow! Is that what you said? Actually no, you didn't. You said "It". Clarity is King in Communication, buddy.
But let's pretend you did in fact say it or are saying it now. Yes, you're correct. Now...So what? What does that have to do with anything?

I'm not. I'm saying it becomes a problem because one person says qi flows this way and another says it flows the other way.

Well that's just a disagreement of theory, isn't it. I think that's allowed. I mean based on the sheer number of disagreements you've had with 99.9% of the forum members here....On Everything....

You said life was subjective, I didn't, nor did I agree with you. You seem to be making things up again, contrary to our agreement.

1) See agreement notes above.
2) You're right I did say that. Prove it otherwise.

You see the problem there little buddy?

It would appear as though YOU are the only one with the problem here little buddy. Other than a theoretical difference of opinion on the direction of qi flow in certain meridians, it would seem that most of the rest of the people active in this discussion about that are on the same page. And then there's you.

If everything is subjective, you can simply make stuff up to suite your own needs and desires.

Actually you have to pay out the nose for suites. Regular rooms are decently enough priced.
But yes, I can say I am the King of Satchiwa, and believe it. Since I experience the world through something different than YOUR 5 senses, my experience is mine. Does it make it objectively true? No.

But who are you to tell anyone that their experience is incorrect or did not happen at all?

That wouldn't make you very happy if people just decided that everything was subjective and they could decide whatever they wanted to do even though they had a standing agreement, right little buddy?

Remember about making stuff up? I never said "everything" was subjective. I said life. The closer you get to understanding that distinction, the closer you will be to understanding the value in keeping your mouth shut about things you have zero idea about. Sorry that sounded rough, little buddy. But a little tough love is good. At least that's what Dr. Phil says. Did he tell you that too?

No, we'd never make a good team. Your world is too subjective and made up for me.
Awww. Come on fella. BFF means something to me and I thought it did to you too. Please don't break my heart.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 04:00 PM

Exhibit A for what happens when you have no objective evidence for something.

Exhibit B for anonymous trolling.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 04:00 PM

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:09 PM

Actually, little buddy, I agreed not to call you any rude names any more. But to directly address that...

Oh My Goodness! You're Right! You did not say that. It was my assumption, since you seemed to know so much about it. I mean only someone who has experienced it could be able to judge properly, right? But, Gosh, there must be Egg all over my face, huh fellas? I do apologize - I assumed, and ya know what they say about that, don't ya, little buddy?

Well I was going to address this, but then I noticed that I already did right above. Whoopsie :)

Oh wow! Is that what you said? Actually no, you didn't. You said "It". Clarity is King in Communication, buddy.
But let's pretend you did in fact say it or are saying it now. Yes, you're correct. Now...So what? What does that have to do with anything?

Well that's just a disagreement of theory, isn't it. I think that's allowed. I mean based on the sheer number of disagreements you've had with 99.9% of the forum members here....On Everything....

1) See agreement notes above.
2) You're right I did say that. Prove it otherwise.

It would appear as though YOU are the only one with the problem here little buddy. Other than a theoretical difference of opinion on the direction of qi flow in certain meridians, it would seem that most of the rest of the people active in this discussion about that are on the same page. And then there's you.

Actually you have to pay out the nose for suites. Regular rooms are decently enough priced.
But yes, I can say I am the King of Satchiwa, and believe it. Since I experience the world through something different than YOUR 5 senses, my experience is mine. Does it make it objectively true? No.

But who are you to tell anyone that their experience is incorrect or did not happen at all?

Remember about making stuff up? I never said "everything" was subjective. I said life. The closer you get to understanding that distinction, the closer you will be to understanding the value in keeping your mouth shut about things you have zero idea about. Sorry that sounded rough, little buddy. But a little tough love is good. At least that's what Dr. Phil says. Did he tell you that too?

Awww. Come on fella. BFF means something to me and I thought it did to you too. Please don't break my heart.

LOL @ Northwind trying his hardest in his fruitless attempts at one-upmanship because he is pi$$ed of that somebody might be posting on a kung fu forum who isn't a fan of CMA and some of its ridiculous and clueless practices.

Your time would be better spent simply using the ignore button little buddy.

And also, Exhibit A for trolling that isn't anonymous, but would be much smarter if it was.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 04:17 PM

LOL @ Northwind trying his hardest in his fruitless attempts at one-upmanship because he is pi$$ed of that somebody might be posting on a kung fu forum who isn't a fan of CMA and some of its ridiculous and clueless practices.

Your time would be better spent simply using the ignore button little buddy.

Oh wow. Was it just too much effort to actually address my points? Guess so. Sorry I over-estimated ya, lil buddy.

One-upmanship? Sorry that's too big of a word for me; I just don't get it. Especially since I replied to all of your points and you cheat me of mine.

"Pi$$ed off"? Sorry I think you're confusing me with someone else. I am a friendly and fun guy. That's part of the reason we make such great buds.

Most everyone else that you've ticked off, annoyed, maybe offended, etc. have put you on ignore. I would not dare. We are much too close of friends for me to do that to ya lil buddy.

Sorry if it bugs you that I am always there...But hey - it reminds me of many songs that help the flame of our friendship remain steadfast and true.

I'll be there...
Lean on Me...
Stand by Me...

Gosh there are so many. I am always here for ya. BFF! Forever!

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:19 PM

off this forum i bet you still act the same and have a hard time conversing with others around you huh?

Yeah, I do have to kick a lot of kung fu @ss when they get ticked off that I don't agree with their b.s. and tell them that.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 04:20 PM

I dedicate this song to you two....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtyallub8Xc

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 04:21 PM

Yeah, I do have to kick a lot of kung fu @ss when they get ticked off that I don't agree with their b.s. and tell them that.

Do you have any videography to back up that claim? hahahahaha......

its unproven, unfounded, lie based misinformation, misleading...and all of the other Un's and mis's......LOL

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 04:25 PM

let's entertain the idea that there is none, ok. so if you're correct, what then? you walk away with a silly grin on your face like you won something?

off this forum i bet you still act the same and have a hard time conversing with others around you huh?

He has the right of free speech to question or skeptics on anything he likes to. and we dont have to answer anything if we think it is off target.

you think the Medical insurance group is so stupid to support and pay for the TCM accupuncture care? let those who is skeptics in Qi talk to the medical insurance people.

For me the question is on why and how IMA training works; analyzed the model/process, see if it is true and could it be synthesis repeatably.

I personally used to play with biofeedback machine such as EEG and thermal measurement....etc to understand the internal stuffs.

at one point, I have witness a few Qigong experiments in Penstate Unversity Research Group.

also, i have witness a few Qi-physical fusion power generation related process and know anyone who uses the process could increase its capability beyond usual physical training.

also, I have known lots of people who cure their own sickness via qigong and have been studied and verify in China.

So, those are my experience. and here on I would only reply to those who has experience or serious in the topic.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 04:32 PM

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 04:38 PM

Ok Hendrik,

question for you. One day i was trying to feel someone elses energy. I just took a finger moving it around their arm. when i got to her wrist and her wrist was wet from washing her hands, my finger went over her wrist and suddenly "snap, crackle, and pop" i saw and heard some electricity making noise. do you have an idea what happened?

I dont know. I dont deal with speculation.

Because the area
I am interested in and deal with is Qi-physical fusion which means power generation or fajing.

and usually, with a real deal, with Qi or without Qigong training the physical expression result shows a different.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 04:40 PM

oh ok. it was wierd. water is a conductor of electricity and i was wondering if that was some side effect and why i saw that electricity when i moved over her wrist.

thanks

faxiapreta: do you believe in the paranormal at all?

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:52 PM

you think the Medical insurance group is so stupid to support and pay for the TCM accupuncture care? let those who is skeptics in Qi talk to the medical insurance people.

Yep, medical insurance also pays for doctors who prescribe placebo pills.

Same thing.

Same with those people passing out in Benny Hin's congration.

Same with the Kiai master's students who thought he was knocking them out.

Just don't try to turn it into a science when it's not.

Can you imagine doctors not being able to agree on which way the blood flows through the veins and arteries or which direction nerve impulses travel?

Or how about trying to work with electricity when you can't even figure out which direction the electrons are flowing?

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 04:54 PM

Yep, medical insurance also pays for doctors who prescribe placebo pills.

Same thing.

Same with those people passing out in Benny Hin's congration.

Same with the Kiai master's students who thought he was knocking them out.

Just don't try to turn it into a science when it's not.

Can you imagine doctors not being able to agree on which way the blood flows through the veins and arteries or which direction nerve impulses travel?

Or how about trying to work with electricity when you can't even figure out which direction the electrons are flowing?

Thank you for sharing your personal feeling and view.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:55 PM

Ok Hendrik,

question for you. One day i was trying to feel someone elses energy. I just took a finger moving it around their arm. when i got to her wrist and her wrist was wet from washing her hands, my finger went over her wrist and suddenly "snap, crackle, and pop" i saw and heard some electricity making noise. do you have an idea what happened?

Static electricity being discharged. The reason you felt it at the wrist where it was wet is because water lowers electrical resistance.

TenTigers

07-01-2011, 04:55 PM

Hendrick, did you ever have any experience with any of Wilhelm Riech's orgone theories?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 04:55 PM

Yeah, I do have to kick a lot of kung fu @ss when they get ticked off that I don't agree with their b.s. and tell them that.
LMAO Wow!
You kick a style's @$$!?
How did you do that? That's pretty impressive, buddy! I was under the impression that only an individual could kick another individual's @$$, but I guess I learn something new everyday huh lil buddy?

Even though we're not teacher and student but more of best friends forever, I will share a secret with you....No one cares what you think.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:56 PM

Thank you for sharing your personal feeling and view.

You're welcome. Thank you for sharing your personal feelings and opinions regarding qi.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 04:57 PM

LMAO Wow!
You kick a style's @$$!?
How did you do that? That's pretty impressive, buddy! I was under the impression that only an individual could kick another individual's @$$, but I guess I learn something new everyday huh lil buddy?

Even though we're not teacher and student but more of best friends forever, I will share a secret with you....No one cares what you think.

The hundreds of posts responding to my viewpoint would prove that you are, once again, wrong.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:01 PM

Yep, medical insurance also pays for doctors who prescribe placebo pills.

Wow. You MUST be psychic. Or at the very least have super-powers. Cuz I was just sitting here wondering when you would use the "placebo" word.

Same with those people passing out in Benny Hin's congration.

Whoopsie there lil buddy! I already told you that analogy was irrelevant. Guess you need more memory power, huh lil buddy? Drink Milk! Wait. First I should ask "Got Milk?"

Same with the Kiai master's students who thought he was knocking them out.

Whoopsie lil buddy. Same mistake as above.

Just don't try to turn it into a science when it's not.

Who is talking about science? We're talking about Qigong.

Can you imagine doctors not being able to agree on which way the blood flows through the veins and arteries or which direction nerve impulses travel?

Yes. I can. It's called imagination. Although I would say look into it - it's obvious you have a fair amount of it already, thinking anyone here cares about your OPINIONS.

Or how about trying to work with electricity when you can't even figure out which direction the electrons are flowing?
I agree that would not be very productive lil buddy. But I guess we're actually talking about flowers from the same root now, aren't we? Whoops! My mistake. You know nothing about Qigong in the fist place so you wouldn't get that joke...Sorry lil buddy - I can't help over-estimating you!

I guess that's what BFFs do for each other though. :)

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:03 PM

Hendrick, did you ever have any experience with any of Wilhelm Riech's orgone theories?
I don't mind Bardon's similarly touched ideas.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:03 PM

You're welcome. Thank you for sharing your personal feelings and opinions regarding qi.

There we go...Making friends all around. Yay! :)

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:04 PM

The hundreds of posts responding to my viewpoint would prove that you are, once again, wrong.

Sorry buddy, but that makes very little sense. I don't care about your silly lil thoughts. I care about YOU, lil buddy!

YiQuanOne

07-01-2011, 05:05 PM

Yep, medical insurance also pays for doctors who prescribe placebo pills.

Same thing.

Same with those people passing out in Benny Hin's congration.

Same with the Kiai master's students who thought he was knocking them out.

Just don't try to turn it into a science when it's not.

Can you imagine doctors not being able to agree on which way the blood flows through the veins and arteries or which direction nerve impulses travel?

Or how about trying to work with electricity when you can't even figure out which direction the electrons are flowing?

Well we use gravity all the time, but we do not know what medium gravity uses to apply its force!

Does that mean gravity does not excist?.

Maybe Qi uses same medium.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Sorry buddy, but that makes very little sense. I don't care about your silly lil thoughts. I care about YOU, lil buddy!

Sorry, I'm not gay. You're mixing your forums up.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:11 PM

Well we use gravity all the time, but we do not know what medium gravity uses to apply its force!

Does that mean gravity does not excist?.

Maybe Qi uses same medium.

Gravity is a demonstrable force.

Qi is not.

However, if you can show it in a demonstrable, scientific way, I think there are a couple of organizations that will offer big monetary awards to you.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:12 PM

Sorry, I'm not gay. You're mixing your forums up.
Oh my goodness gracious me!
Well you certainly have a way with words, don't you!
Gay!?!?! Why on Earth would you think that?

Best Friends Forever does not equate to being Gay. It just means being Best Friends Forever. Come on now, buddy, don't get it wrong. Get it right!

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 05:13 PM

Hendrick, did you ever have any experience with any of Wilhelm Riech's orgone theories?

nope, dont know him.

My mission is just to dig and find out why the SLT is design the way it is, how it is related to ancient Chinese practice, and how to make it works again or what is the process to turn on the engine.

Do I care about Qi.... buddha nature...etc? nope. what I care is only can I turn on the engine and see what it is as it is beyond thinking and believe.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:14 PM

Gravity is a demonstrable force.

Qi is not.

However, if you can show it in a demonstrable, scientific way, I think there are a couple of organizations that will offer big monetary awards to you.

Demonstrable.
Scientific.

We can demonstrate.

But why must it be scientific? Are you forcing a square peg into a round hole again, lil buddy?

Who is talking about science here? You.
The conversation is about Qigong, not science. Looks like you got confused again, lil buddy.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:16 PM

...Snip...
Do I care about Qi.... buddha nature...etc? nope. what I care is only can I turn on the engine and see what it is as it is beyond thinking and believe.

Never communicated with you before, Hendrik, but...this above that I quoted is AWESOME! I love that statement. Although I'm not of exactly the same mind on this, I absolutely love the way you said it. Nicely done! (No sarcasm) :)

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:17 PM

Best Friends Forever does not equate to being Gay.

When one guy asks the other one to be best friends forever, it means he's gay.

It's OK little buddy, you can come out of the closet. Nobody will judge you just because you are gay.

Just don't hit on the straight guys.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:27 PM

The conversation is about Qigong, not science. Looks like you got confused again, lil buddy.

Actually, the conversation was about the worthlessness of forms training and how holding low stances does absolutely nothing for fighting ability.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 05:31 PM

Never communicated with you before, Hendrik, but...this above that I quoted is AWESOME! I love that statement. Although I'm not of exactly the same mind on this, I absolutely love the way you said it. Nicely done! (No sarcasm) :)

Northwind,

in my very blunt and egoistic view.

The reality is this:
facing the mma, grapper, the boxer....etc. player.
if one cannot accelerate and fajing with any /most part of the body at the touch , then one is already lost.

So, if one think one can use the normal ordinary power generation of throwing a punch or kick or strike to oppose the grapper technics which is based on the "ordinary power generation" which the mma train much more then one, one is out of one's mind. IE: mma, boxing, karate, TKD, External Kung fu.... using the same type of power generation.

it is like trying to race car with the pro with the same type of the car and we are not pro. how can one win? no way. one must have a different better car if one want a chance to win.

So, WCK and other art such as Yi Chuan or small frame Taiji ...etc using a different power generation process. and that is what I want.

it happen, what I want needs to be train with Qi-physical fusion. So, I like it or not I need to get that Qi as the chinese called.

Having the Qi-physical fusion doesnt guarentee I am always win. but, it guarentee i have something others cannot imagine and i know what the ancient is talking about even I am still not the master.

Life is simple, why argue? just do it and get what you want. be it call Qi Ki Gost...ect. Be it those has lots of time to waste and trolling argue it exist or not.

The bottom line is if you touch me. I give it to you. what ever you want to call it or argue it doesnt exist. I can delivery and happy to deliver. you can call what I delivery objective or subjective or biomechanics.....ect. I dont care.
because I can do what I do and you cant even imagine what I got, if you dont have the same process as I have.

That simple, so cut it short and clean. we can argue all day long but do you have it? that is the bottom line.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:37 PM

Northwind,

in my very blunt and egoistic view.

The reality is this:
facing the mma, grapper, the boxer....etc. player.
if one cannot accelerate and fajing with any /most part of the body at the touch , then one is already lost.

So, if one think one can use the normal ordinary power generation of throwing a punch or kick or strike to oppose the grapper technics which is based on the "ordinary power generation" which the mma train much more then one, one is out of one's mind. IE: mma, boxing, karate, TKD, External Kung fu.... using the same type of power generation.

it is like trying to race car with the pro with the same type of the car and we are not pro. how can one win? no way. one must have a different better car if one want a chance to win.

So, WCK and other art such as Yi Chuan or small frame Taiji ...etc using a different power generation process. and that is what I want.

it happen, what I want needs to be train with Qi-physical fusion. So, I like it or not I need to get that Qi as the chinese called.

Having the Qi-physical fusion doesnt guarentee I am always win. but, it guarentee i have something others cannot imagine and i know what the ancient is talking about even I am still not the master.

Life is simple, why argue? just do it and get what you want. be it call Qi Ki Gost...ect. Be it those has lost of time to waste and trolling argue it exist or not.

The bottom line is if you touch me. I give it to you. what ever you want to call it or argue it doesnt exist. I can delivery and happy to deliver. you can call what I delivery objective or subjective or biomechanics.....ect. I dont care. because I can do what I do and you cant if you dont have the same process as I have.

You must have missed the 90's and the early 2000's when all the grapplers proved this fantasy theory wrong.

Oh, wait a minute, you could still easily step into any MMA gym today to test this theory.

But, alas, it's more comforting to simply live in the world of theory rather than to venture out and stress test one's fantasies.

But thanks for your theories and opinions.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:42 PM

When one guy asks the other one to be best friends forever, it means he's gay.

Really? You know how we roll, lil buddy. Gotta provide proof on such ludicrous claims here bro. Most people realize that we're just best friends forever, not lovers. I have a wife and a child, and you knew that already, so why would you think I am gay? I'm sorry if that's what you were hoping for, lil buddy, but we will remain friends and nothing more.

It's OK little buddy, you can come out of the closet. Nobody will judge you just because you are gay.

Awww. So nice of you to worry about me. But with what I said above, I think you will understand that it's just not the cast.

Just don't hit on the straight guys.
I wouldn't. When I hit on straight guys they usually try to put me in a clinch and roll with me on the floor. And I think that's too much on the first date. Especially since I am not gay. I hope you don't throw your first dates on the floor, lil buddy. Some girls or guys might call it rape ya know.

No, just best friends forever. Don't let your subjective imagination rule your world view so much that you mistake false for true.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:43 PM

Actually, the conversation was about the worthlessness of forms training and how holding low stances does absolutely nothing for fighting ability.

Oh, well then. My mistake. And how good of you to point it out to me then. But then...That makes my earlier point about you getting the topic confused much more relevant then, doesn't it lil buddy?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:45 PM

Northwind,
...

Slow your roll Hendrik - we are on the same page for some things. I was giving you a compliment....

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 05:46 PM

You must have missed the 90's and the early 2000's when all the grapplers proved this fantasy theory wrong.

Oh, wait a minute, you could still easily step into any MMA gym today to test this theory.

But, alas, it's more comforting to simply live in the world of theory rather than to venture out and stress test one's fantasies.

who care if it is mma or abc or xyz or this or that. and mma gym. those are just label.

whoever has the best acceration and momentum impulse transfer. who win. That is the bottom line.

Go to a physics lab which can do all these measurement OBJECTIVELY as you suggest; and compare it with the "ordinary power generation". and get the result.

it is just plain simple physics and scientific. In physics I trust.

So, dont give me those mma gym ...etc name dropping. I careless.
Do you have it? you dont. otherwise you wont be so naive to post what you post above.

I am an engineer. I careless about your theory but only repeatable result. Got it?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:47 PM

You must have missed the 90's and the early 2000's when all the grapplers proved this fantasy theory wrong.

Show me a scientific journal that I regularly read to prove this please, lil buddy. Such wild claims will not go untested.

Oh, wait a minute, you could still easily step into any MMA gym today to test this theory.

And you could try to sneak up and take the wallets of my own possession or anyone else here willing to take the challenge and see how you fare, lil buddy.

But, alas, it's more comforting to simply live in the world of theory rather than to venture out and stress test one's fantasies.

Such is your world, lil buddy. Anonymous with no training yet you no all about everything.

But thanks for your theories and opinions.
And thanks for yours.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 05:49 PM

Actually, the conversation was about the worthlessness of forms training and how holding low stances does absolutely nothing for fighting ability.

they have zero to do with having the ability to fight. however they are tools for conditioning....regardless.....still tools. NO ONE HAS EVER stated that to be able to fight you need to practice forms or low stances. that is YOUR obsession. will they aid you in fighting yes?

Most people who have competed understand this :D

Northwind

07-01-2011, 05:50 PM

Most people who have competed understand this :D

He is not "most people". He is the undebate-able, the unstopable, the irrefutable, the one..the only....

Oh yeah. He's anonymous. Nevermind.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:52 PM

who care if it is mma or abc or xyz or this or that. and mma gym. those are just label.

whoever has the best acceration and momentum impulse transfer. who win. That is the bottom line.

You brought up the MMA.

You want to know how to develop "fajing" power? Train the way people who really develop that kind of power do... the MMA fighters, boxers, wrestlers, Sambo fighters and everyone else who puts in hours and hours of full contact training for years and years. That's the only way to get it.

There are not qi shortcuts. You don't want to get out there and mix it up with the blood, sweat and tears of the other fighters, then you won't beat them, no matter what kind of power-fusion you do.

You are silly man if you think you can develop that kind of power in any other way.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:54 PM

And you could try to sneak up and take the wallets of my own possession or anyone else here willing to take the challenge and see how you fare, lil buddy.

I know exactly how that would go. I'd fare just fine little bud.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 05:54 PM

they have zero to do with having the ability to fight. however they are tools for conditioning....regardless.....still tools. NO ONE HAS EVER stated that to be able to fight you need to practice forms or low stances. that is YOUR obsession. will they aid you in fighting yes?

Forms and low stances will not aid in fighting.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 05:55 PM

Slow your roll Hendrik - we are on the same page for some things. I was giving you a compliment....

Northwind,

I understood. I just post my view on my bottom line. hope that my english doesnt mislead you.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 05:57 PM

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 05:59 PM

Forms and low stances will not aid in fighting.

In the actual act of fighting no. up to it, yes.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:01 PM

You want to know how to develop "fajing" power? Train the way people who really develop that kind of power do... the MMA fighters, boxers, wrestlers, Sambo fighters and everyone else who puts in hours and hours of full contact training for years and years. That's the only way to get it.

Whoopsie, lil buddy. It's snowing down south. Sorry, you probably don't understand that. What that phrase means is that you're showing your hand a lil too much. What hand? The one that shows you have absolutely no clue about FaJing whatsoever. It's okay buddy. Just admit ignorance and learn. Don't be scare.

There are not qi shortcuts. You don't want to get out there and mix it up with the blood, sweat and tears of the other fighters, then you won't beat them, no matter what kind of power-fusion you do.

You have never trained or studied qigong but now you want to educate us about what will or will not about Qi? Sorry lil buddy but I think your advise will go to more selective ears.

You are silly man if you think you can develop that kind of power in any other way.
Wouldn't that be silly to think that silly men can tell other silly men about how to be silly? Gosh. Now that IS silly!

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:01 PM

In the actual act of fighting no. up to it, yes.

The only thing they will help you to do is to stand for a long time with your legs bent. That's it.

BTW, you aren't doing a very good job of "bringing the forum into line" and ignoring me, are you?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:02 PM

I know exactly how that would go. I'd fare just fine little bud.
Do ya now, lil bud? Oh yeah that's right. I forgot about your super-powers of knowing...Just cuz...

Experience will be your best teacher lil buddy....

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 06:03 PM

You want to know how to develop "fajing" power?

Train the way people who really develop that kind of power do... the MMA fighters, boxers, wrestlers, Sambo fighters and everyone else who puts in hours and hours of full contact training for years and years.

That's the only way to get it.

B$ and craps.
Dont pretend you know when you are clueless about what is fajing.

There are not qi shortcuts.

You don't want to get out there and mix it up with the blood, sweat and tears of the other fighters, then you won't beat them, no matter what kind of power-fusion you do.

Who says there are shortcuts? and you are clueless on Qi.

You are silly man if you think you can develop that kind of power in any other way.

as the Chinese saying says. You have no idea how high is the sky and how thick is the earth.

I dont think , many have already have it.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:03 PM

The only thing they will help you to do is to stand for a long time with your legs bent. That's it.

BTW, you aren't doing a very good job of "bringing the forum into line" and ignoring me, are you?

why should i ignore you. i can't take you seriously.

since you are not a pracitioner of forms, you can't honestly tell me what forms and low stances can and cannot do for anyone can you now? i mean other than assumption.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:04 PM

Forms and low stances will not aid in fighting.
And you know this how, lil buddy? From your form and low stance training you used when you tried to go fight that mean ole monster? Oh noes!

YiQuanOne

07-01-2011, 06:04 PM

You must have missed the 90's and the early 2000's when all the grapplers proved this fantasy theory wrong.

Oh, wait a minute, you could still easily step into any MMA gym today to test this theory.

But, alas, it's more comforting to simply live in the world of theory rather than to venture out and stress test one's fantasies.

But thanks for your theories and opinions.

I use on people almost every day, it works great, I don't have any doubts about if it works, you do, so what.

Why should I go to MMA gym to tell them something, they are no looking for something new, if they want it they can find me. Its not my job to tell them something else excists, they are not paying me, I could care less what they are doing.

Even if they did want it, by the time they could develop and use it they would be older and not interested in MMA.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:04 PM

Northwind,

I understood. I just post my view on my bottom line. hope that my english doesnt mislead you.

Ah! okay. No worries. Yeah it was probably just the communication barrier. :)

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:05 PM

I still challenge him to tell me, show me, or whatever proof he has that kung fu people say "if you want to learn how to fight learn this or that form"....

will he? i doubt it. he has nothing at all to back up that bs claim, feeling, perception, idea, .............

Trolls never act in the "logical" way they that they tout we do not understand, bro. It's not going to happen. Make a good point he can not refute, and he will simply ignore it. It's what they do best.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 06:07 PM

Ah! okay. No worries. Yeah it was probably just the communication barrier. :)

Buddy,
English is my x language. Sorry if I mislead you with my tone.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:07 PM

The only thing they will help you to do is to stand for a long time with your legs bent. That's it.

Really? I guess you would know, wouldn't you, lil buddy. You have done it sooooo much huh? I wonder how long you can hold a proper horse stance? Oh boy wow!

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:09 PM

Buddy,
English is my x language. Sorry if I mislead you with my tone.

Oh okay. No worries on that! Sometimes communication can be difficult online speaking to the international community. But it's okay; we might get misunderstood but a lil clarification afterwards and we laugh at the misunderstanding. :)

SimonM

07-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Remember Northwind:

Wrestlers never need to be able to generate power while standing moderately stationary with legs wide and knees bent. :p

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Really? I guess you would know, wouldn't you, lil buddy. You have done it sooooo much huh? I wonder how long you can hold a proper horse stance? Oh boy wow!

he contradicts himself so much its funny. first, forms and low stances do NOTHING to aid the ability of a fighter, then he says...well, maybe a little bit. LMAO

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Really? I guess you would know, wouldn't you, lil buddy. You have done it sooooo much huh? I wonder how long you can hold a proper horse stance? Oh boy wow!

There's a reason you won't find any real athletes standing around doing horse stances. Because they don't do anything other than increase your ability to stand with your legs bent for longer periods of time.

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 06:11 PM

Ok, lets take it easy and give faxiapreta a chance.
it is just a discussion. no big deal on agree and disagreement.

faxiapreta,

seriously, I would love to know more about you.
do you practice kung fu? how far have you gone?

dont worry, it is just plain discussion to know you. we can disagree and still be buddy.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:12 PM

Remember Northwind:

Wrestlers never need to be able to generate power while standing moderately stationary with legs wide and knees bent. :p

And they don't develop that power by doing horse stances.

There's a reason you won't see wrestlers doing horse stances- because it is a waste of time.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:14 PM

Really? I guess you would know, wouldn't you, lil buddy. You have done it sooooo much huh? I wonder how long you can hold a proper horse stance? Oh boy wow!

Not that long. I don't practice doing horse stances because I, like pretty much every functional athlete, understands that it does nothing other than allow you to stand with your legs bent for an extended time.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:14 PM

Remember Northwind:

Wrestlers never need to be able to generate power while standing moderately stationary with legs wide and knees bent. :p

1) I was a wrestler for quite a while so I take offense to that! (no offense taken really)
2) Yeah but they don't need to. I gotz enuff to go round.

OMG was that me laughing maniacly at my own pitiful joke? Yes, I guess it was. :P

SimonM

07-01-2011, 06:15 PM

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:15 PM

There's a reason you won't see wrestlers doing horse stances- because it is a waste of time.

there you go again repeating yourself. i bet you live alone. you'd really drive your spouse crazy. LOL

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:16 PM

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:17 PM

There's a reason you won't find any real athletes standing around doing horse stances. Because they don't do anything other than increase your ability to stand with your legs bent for longer periods of time.

Again...You know this how? Where is your proof? Youtube or Scientific Medical Journal? You have no proof nor do you have enough experience to add weight to your claim.

Sorry lil buddy, as much as we are friends I have to call you on your B$.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:17 PM

Hendrik,

Welcome to where I was a week ago. I really did want to give Faxiapreta the benefit of the doubt. I'm an open-minded guy who LIKES the free exchange of ideas. Had he demonstrated he was interested in that I'd probably be agreeing with him as often as disagreeing.

However that's not what he's here for. He's just trying to stir up flame wars. Just ignore him.

Flame war? You mean in shooting down your argument about wrestlers. The fact that they understand holding stances does nothing other than develop your ability to hold stances and that they are actually counterproductive to power generation?

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:18 PM

My background is irrelevant to the discussion.

you're satisfied being labeled a coward? really?

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 06:18 PM

Hendrik,

Welcome to where I was a week ago. I really did want to give Faxiapreta the benefit of the doubt. I'm an open-minded guy who LIKES the free exchange of ideas. Had he demonstrated he was interested in that I'd probably be agreeing with him as often as disagreeing.

However that's not what he's here for. He's just trying to stir up flame wars. Just ignore him.

Simon,

Yes, I understood.

I too can get heat up sometimes in the discussion.
I will keep open and believing Peace comes from me among us who really care and love to discuss properly. so we will join only constructive discussion.

Thanks for your note.

you know I suggest we move further into understanding what is the issue with lower stance and the Yin and Huyin....etc. because that is very educational for everyone to discuss. in my opinion.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:19 PM

And they don't develop that power by doing horse stances.
...

There's a reason you won't see wrestlers doing horse stances- because it is a waste of time.
Uh oh lil buddy...I think a lil poo-poo just came out. Kinda like a shart. You know what that is, don't you? Cuz you sure don't know much about grappling nor horse stances to say that...

Ya see..One of the things the MMA and TCMA crowd miss when they are all hot & bothered about being right is...there is a lot that is the same....like...oh, I don't know...rootedness and center of gravity training?

Sorry lil buddy but I think ya just cr@pped your pants. Clean it up yourself this time.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:20 PM

Not that long. I don't practice doing horse stances because I, like pretty much every functional athlete, understands that it does nothing other than allow you to stand with your legs bent for an extended time.

Do ya now?
You know this how lil buddy? Your imagination is getting carried away with you lil buddy....

Hendrik

07-01-2011, 06:21 PM

My background is irrelevant to the discussion.

ok. if that is what you think. I respect that.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:22 PM

ok. if that is what you think. I respect that.

I don't. But that's ok. He's told me that it's "none of my business". I think there's an agenda with this one...

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:23 PM

Again...You know this how? Where is your proof? Youtube or Scientific Medical Journal? You have no proof nor do you have enough experience to add weight to your claim.

Sorry lil buddy, as much as we are friends I have to call you on your B$.

There is proof all over the place.

First of all, holding a stance for an extended period of time is an endurance exercise. Endurance exercise has been shown to decrease strength and power production.

Secondly, there's this thing called specificity of training. That mean the benefits you get are the ones that are specific to the training method. If you stand in a lowered position for extended periods of time you develop increased ability to stand for extended periods in this position. Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the actual stances, movements and power generation used in fighting.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by faxiapreta View Post
Not that long. I don't practice doing horse stances because I, like pretty much every functional athlete, understands that it does nothing other than allow you to stand with your legs bent for an extended time.

see....how sad. even functional athletes will appreciate that a simple posture can cause them to shake and sweat and even crumble to the ground. LOL

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:26 PM

Let's see... forms, low stance training, iron palm, too deadly techniques that can't be practiced full force. All things that are the opposite of sports training.

No wonder CMA guys get their @sses handed to them almost every time they go against someone who trains under the sports model.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:28 PM

see....how sad. even functional athletes will appreciate that a simple posture can cause them to shake and sweat and even crumble to the ground. LOL

Functional athletes do specific training that is functional and proven. That is the opposite of stance training and the reason they don't do it.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:28 PM

There is proof all over the place.

First of all, holding a stance for an extended period of time is an endurance exercise. Endurance exercise has been shown to decrease strength and power production.

1) I asked for YOUR PROOF. Not someone else's.
2) "Has Shown"? For who? By who? Thousands of years of practitioners showing a different proof would show otherwise.

Secondly, there's this thing called specificity of training.

Yes. However it only applies IF YOU APPLY it the way you are referring to. Pushing a square peg into a round hole again are ya lil buddy?

That mean the benefits you get are the ones that are specific to the training method. If you stand in a lowered position for extended periods of time you develop increased ability to stand for extended periods in this position.
Looks like you've never "danced" with anyone who has undergone this type of training lil buddy. You might want to give that a shot instead of your fantasy books telling you your truth.

Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the actual stances, movements and power generation used in fighting.
"Actual Stance"?
So you fight in a stance do you?
Oh poor lil buddy. It is too evident you know so lil of what you speak. I am sorry. I should have been a better friend in the past.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:30 PM

Let's see... forms, low stance training, iron palm, too deadly techniques that can't be practiced full force. All things that are the opposite of sports training.

i think he's finally snapped.....

WRONG.....well, take out the iron palm and the too deadly techniques....

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:30 PM

Let's see... forms, low stance training, iron palm, too deadly techniques that can't be practiced full force. All things that are the opposite of sports training.
No let's DO SEE.
Show us where ANYONE here said forms, low stance training, etc. is "too deadly". Lil buddy, your constant straw man fallacies are not working...Please try again.

No wonder CMA guys get their @sses handed to them almost every time they go against someone who trains under the sports model.Whoopsie lil buddy. You forgot to add at the end of your sentence "...within the confines of the sports model's location or venue."

aussie1981

07-01-2011, 06:32 PM

Kostya tzyu trained a horse stance with splayed feet, there has to be some merit to it.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:32 PM

Here is link to an Olympic wrestling forum that is populated by people with competition wrestling experience.

http://www.thewrestlingtalk.com/freestyle-and-greco-roman-wrestling/

Go there an ask them what holding low stances for training does for wrestling.

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:33 PM

u guys keep responding out of ur need to satisfy ur egos.

become one with the void. empty your mind. empty your bowells.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:33 PM

No let's DO SEE.
Show us where ANYONE here said forms, low stance training, etc. is "too deadly". Lil buddy, your constant straw man fallacies are not working...Please try again.
Whoopsie lil buddy. You forgot to add at the end of your sentence "...within the confines of the sports model's location or venue."

It works in more places more effectively than does most CMA.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:34 PM

Functional athletes do specific training that is functional and proven. That is the opposite of stance training and the reason they don't do it.

yes. perphaps. but they do these kinds of training with things that are specific to their art, sport, etc.. But have them try to sit in a horse and time them, i bet you it won't take long before you see them sweating. LOL

No wonder CMA guys get their @sses handed to them almost every time they go against someone who trains under the sports model.

that is the difference between street level and sport. remember the show pro's verse joes? same concept.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:34 PM

u guys keep responding out of ur need to satisfy ur egos.

become one with the void. empty your mind. empty your bowells.

Yep, they just can't shut up. So much for ignoring me! bwhahahaaaaa!

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:36 PM

It works in more places more effectively than does most CMA.

You still haven't backed up your claim that kung fu people state that to be a fighter you must learn forms......

you dropped the ball on that one......LMAO

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:36 PM

yes. perphaps. but they do these kinds of training with things that are specific to their art, sport, etc.. But have them try to sit in a horse and time them, i bet you it won't take long before you see them sweating. LOL

Most of them can't do ballet without falling on their faces either. And just like stance training, ballet won't make them better at fighting.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:36 PM

You still haven't backed up your claim that kung fu people state that to be a fighter you must learn forms......

you dropped the ball on that one......LMAO

Please point to the post where I said that. If you can't, you need to quit making stuff up about what I said.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:37 PM

Most of them can't do ballet without falling on their faces either. And just like stance training, ballet won't make them better at fighting.

Wrong again. LOL

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:37 PM

And they don't develop that power by doing horse stances.

There's a reason you won't see wrestlers doing horse stances- because it is a waste of time.

wrong again...sigh...wrestlers do horse constantly. It is in motion or against resistance, is developed via that route. Us CMA guys do that too. In addition we also use the stance, as well as others, during meditation and forms of qigong. Your mistake is in thinking we CMA guys develope ourselves in a one dimensional manner, ie; only for fighting. Tcma is a way of life, and as such we work and strive to develope all our qualities of living through practice. But I do not expect you to fully grasp this concept, however you now have a slight understanding of a very important aspect of traditional Chinese martial arts.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:38 PM

Please point to the post where I said that. If you can't, you need to quit making stuff up about what I said.

the entire forum knows that is what you said. i dare you to prove me wrong on that hahahaha . SYKE. you won't. hahaha

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:39 PM

he is threatening you guys view of yourselves, your view of reality. you guys use defence mechanisms to avoid feeling anxiety.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:39 PM

you're satisfied being labeled a coward? really?

Why would I be worried about what someone on a message board labels me? It's not like you could do anything about it.

And it's not like I wouldn't rip you a new one in person.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:40 PM

he is threatening you guys view of yourselves, your view of reality. you guys use defence mechanisms to avoid feeling anxiety.

Bingo! Somebody gets it.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:41 PM

the entire forum knows that is what you said. i dare you to prove me wrong on that hahahaha . SYKE. you won't. hahaha

Looks like you are lying.

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:41 PM

many kung fu guys sees their ideal self, their archetype as "weak nerd learn exotic mystical art to defeat big strong bully". your arguments threaten their self image and their reality construct.

in the original chinese archetypes, the small weak man trains hard and becomes STRONG, and CRUSHES the bully under his heel. in the western fish eye lense he uses mystical powers, science and physics to effortlessly defeat the bully, revelling in his own weakness and feminity, and justifies his own incompetence and impotence.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:41 PM

Why would I be worried about what someone on a message board labels me? It's not like you could do anything about it.

And it's not like I wouldn't rip you a new one in person.

of course not. thats why you come out like blazing saddles, but its just a mirage. your words are most def more powerful than your hands.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:42 PM

Looks like you are lying.

clear the fog from your glasses, whipe out the eye boogers. you'll be ok. faker.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:43 PM

of course not. thats why you come out like blazing saddles, but its just a mirage. your words are most def more powerful than your hands.

Ya think? How about yours?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:44 PM

Kostya tzyu trained a horse stance with splayed feet, there has to be some merit to it.

Based on what FaxiPreta says, there isn't. Not to mention, I'm not sure why Kostya Tzyu should be used as the measure of TCMA.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:44 PM

Ya think? How about yours?

Me i have no hands. i just have pincers and pinch ya to death hahaha.....

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:45 PM

Me i have no hands. i just have pincers and pinch ya to death hahaha.....

nice

you are become death

in crab form

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:45 PM

m what holding low stances for training does for wrestling.

How about you go there and tell them that having a low center of gravity is B$.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:46 PM

u guys keep responding out of ur need to satisfy ur egos.

become one with the void. empty your mind. empty your bowells.

After the guy made threats to me, it's rice and flies for me...

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:47 PM

It works in more places more effectively than does most CMA.

"It" does? What is "It" lil buddy?

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:47 PM

my kung fu brother, that cerebus guy threatened to RAPE me up the poo poo shute. i dont whine and cry about it. just be the bigger man.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:47 PM

Yep, they just can't shut up. So much for ignoring me! bwhahahaaaaa!

You're right. Once you threatened me, you literally begged for my love.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:49 PM

How about you go there and tell them that having a low center of gravity is B$.

he's too busy repeating himself over and over here on this forum. and he said he'll rip me a new one......LMAO......yup....he's delusional.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:49 PM

lol bawang is spot on for some people... but not everyone, i personally didnt start kungfu until i was 20. i was never weak, and i was never bullied, ive always been badass and yes i wrestled in highschool that is where it all started but i could never afford martial art lessons until i grew up and had a career started. and anyway, what i have said is 100% correct. :p

i understand bawang like to put all white people into one box, which is fine, doesnt mean he is right 100% of the time though, only a portion is applicable to his targets.

i like the fact that i am a tall strong partially white man with good genetics and a kick ass bloodline, not to mention a pleasing package size. also being a white guy with expensive tattoos gets you laid...i win. most immigrants only wish for the life of the successfull white man. but can not have it. it is the american dream after all. :D

i can laugh at white jokes cuz i am 1/4 non white, but i do look white, so i get the best of both worlds.

:p

i joking?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:50 PM

Most of them can't do ballet without falling on their faces either. And just like stance training, ballet won't make them better at fighting.
And most of them understand the principles behind what they do, or at least try to learn. Lil Buddy, you've already proved that you have zero experience in either arena, so why do you continue to make poo-poo come out? Please buddy, I am embarrassed for you.

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:50 PM

i dont know why u guys are so sensitive, maybe im used to getting insulted by white people in real life.

im dead inside. i died the day i left china.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:50 PM

wrong again...sigh...wrestlers do horse constantly. It is in motion or against resistance, is developed via that route..

Yep, that part works. The one where you do it against resistance in powerful, explosive movements like all real athletes do.

.In addition we also use the stance, as well as others, during meditation and forms of qigong. .

That's the part that is counterproductive and inhibits power development and application ability.

.Your mistake is in thinking we CMA guys develope ourselves in a one dimensional manner, ie; only for fighting. Tcma is a way of life, and as such we work and strive to develope all our qualities of living through practice. But I do not expect you to fully grasp this concept, however you now have a slight understanding of a very important aspect of traditional Chinese martial arts.

I've never argued against that. I've told you several times. There's nothing wrong with holding a stance for meditation, for cultural purposes, or just because you want to be able to do it better.

I've always told you that it doesn't help the application in a combative sense. That's all. It's fine for those other things.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:51 PM

wrong again...sigh...wrestlers do horse constantly. It is in motion or against resistance, is developed via that route. Us CMA guys do that too. In addition we also use the stance, as well as others, during meditation and forms of qigong. Your mistake is in thinking we CMA guys develope ourselves in a one dimensional manner, ie; only for fighting. Tcma is a way of life, and as such we work and strive to develope all our qualities of living through practice. But I do not expect you to fully grasp this concept, however you now have a slight understanding of a very important aspect of traditional Chinese martial arts.

Quoted for truth
(and to kinda pin-point what I already said to the anonymous king of truth - not you Lucas, but our wonderful chi-blasting buddy, known only as FaxiaPreta)

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:52 PM

my kung fu brother, that cerebus guy threatened to RAPE me up the poo poo shute. i dont whine and cry about it. just be the bigger man.

Not whining nor crying; just giving him a more difficult time than he would like. It satisfies me like a friggin snickers.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:52 PM

Not to mention, I'm not sure why Kostya Tzyu should be used as the measure of TCMA.

he examples a fighter using horse stance.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:52 PM

How about you go there and tell them that having a low center of gravity is B$.

Why would I do that. Having a low center of gravity is very important in grappling. Developing the ability to maintain that low center of gravity in a dynamic setting and to be able to explode out of it will not be developed by horse stance training.

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:54 PM

Yep, that part works. The one where you do it against resistance in powerful, explosive movements like all real athletes do.

contradictionary....

That's the part that is counterproductive and inhibits power development and application ability.

and exactly how does stance training inhibit power development?

I've always told you that it doesn't help the application in a combative sense. That's all. It's fine for those other things.

so is it fine or not fine? you confuse me....

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:54 PM

he examples a fighter using horse stance.

He was a good fighter DESPITE any horse stance training. He was a good fighter BECAUSE of his plyometrics, weight training, and other sports conditioning methods.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:54 PM

Yep, that part works. The one where you do it against resistance in powerful, explosive movements like all real athletes do.

.

That's the part that is counterproductive and inhibits power development and application ability.

.

I've never argued against that. I've told you several times. There's nothing wrong with holding a stance for meditation, for cultural purposes, or just because you want to be able to do it better.

I've always told you that it doesn't help the application in a combative sense. That's all. It's fine for those other things.

i like how you left out the part of my quote where i mention in cma we also develop our stances through resistance and motion...you are a good troll to be so masterful in your post disections to create a ideal argument for yourself...YOU DO HAVE GOOD KUNG FU!!

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:55 PM

...snip...
I've always told you that it doesn't help the application in a combative sense. That's all. It's fine for those other things.

Oh! And tell the wrestlers on that site you shot me that having strong legs and a lower center of gravity will not help them. That's right, lil buddy, your imaginative responses are great but lacking in the power that experience provides.

bawang

07-01-2011, 06:55 PM

i dont mean to side with faxia, but in traditional northern kung fu you didnt even have "horse stance" "bow stance". they are modern inventions.

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:55 PM

he examples a fighter using horse stance.

Ah, okay. Gotcha! :)

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:55 PM

He was a good fighter DESPITE any horse stance training. He was a good fighter BECAUSE of his plyometrics, weight training, and other sports conditioning methods.

the point being that he was a good fighter even though he used low horse stancwe. you have no evidence to show it did not help him. it seems to him, it was part of his total training.

if you can show me the proof that it did not help him i will stop debating with you. but it is impossible.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:56 PM

and exactly how does stance training inhibit power development? .

It is endurance training and endurance training inhibits power development.

.so is it fine or not fine? you confuse me....

It's fine for holding a low stance for extended periods of time. It's fine for meditation.

It's not fine for fighting applications.

Lucas

07-01-2011, 06:56 PM

oh and for the record, i dont do low static horse stance training any more. but it does not mean i dont understand the practice.

i just dont have the time for it.

YiQuanOne

07-01-2011, 06:56 PM

My background is irrelevant to the discussion.

You can see his back ground from his replies!

We should screen people with very little experence from posting.

And I know who to start with.

Or a least limit him to just a few replies a day, or give him a common sense kung fu question test.

Like is MMA a sport or a martial art?

Snipsky

07-01-2011, 06:57 PM

the dude won't even tell us how stance training is counter productive and how it inhibits power development.....

i think he just talks to hear himself talk.

faxiapreta

07-01-2011, 06:58 PM

the point being that he was a good fighter even though he used low horse stancwe. you have no evidence to show it did not help him. it seems to him, it was part of his total training.

if you can show me the proof that it did not help him i will stop debating with you. but it is impossible.

Are you familiar with the sports science studies on specificity of training, overload principles and the inhibition of power development with endurance exercise?

Northwind

07-01-2011, 06:58 PM

Why would I do that. Having a low center of gravity is very important in grappling.
Well goodness mister man...I thought you were anti-TCMA?

Developing the ability to maintain that low center of gravity in a dynamic setting and to be able to explode out of it will not be developed by horse stance training.
See...Mister Man...Lil Buddy...Here's an example of you stumbling on the lil pretty poo-poo that comes out of your mouth. You have zero understanding of what a horse stance is or how it's trained or the benefits derived therefrom due to the very lack of experience. Yet you make claims of its lack of usefulness, by using arguments that supports its benefits. This shows a bit of silliness. There are bigger & better words for it, but I will just call it silliness. Don't be mad, buddy.