For Brazilian Jujitsu Practitioners

[Shaolin]

I know very little to nothing of your art form, about the only thing I have been informed is that the arts philosophy is to go to the ground and then using choke outs or submission holds to immobilize the attacker, my question is; does jujitsu teach finishing techniques for reality/street defense. From what I've seen in competition like the U.F.C. it's either been a victory by choke out or tap out (I haven't seen very many U.F.C.'s either). I thank you and appreciate any further education you have to offer me.

[Knifefighter]

Chokes, arm breaks, leg breaks, elbows, punches are all finishes in BJJ.

[rogue]

Remember that all BJJ finishing moves can be countered by just tapping the guy on the leg or back. I hear that the Gracies are trying to find a solution to this problem though. :D


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

[omegapoint]

Mounting an opponent with little or no training in ground-fighting (the majority of the populace), and then beating their face into a pulp, is a decent finishing tech for the street. Ryron Gracie in the most recent Gracie JJ tournament in Cali, finished off many of his opponents with standup submissions. These are also solid techs for 1-on-1 street fighting. BJJ is a very solid fighting style, and they teach street self-defense and disarms as well. They don't really practice striking within the system, but many of the Gracies are great punchers and decent kickers. I hope this helps... :D

[Knifefighter]

Omega:
I didn't make it to the Gracie nationals, as I left with Caique when he made the split and we weren't invited. I know Ryron won his division and the open, but I hadn't heard he won with any standing submissions. Can you tell me what he finished with on the standing subs??

[Stranger]

rogue,
lol :D

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[omegapoint]

Knifefighter: Brother, my homey who trains at Gracie Torrance told me that Ryron won a couple of his matches standing. I asked him about the Techs used and before he could answer he got another call and had to click over. When he got back on the line I forgot to reiterate my question and we moved on to another subject. He is good friends with the Gracies and was excited about Ryron getting his Brown Belt and started talking about that. I'll ask him the specifics again later today, and get back to you. Maybe I had an auditory hallucination and just thought he said that, but I'm pretty sure I heard it.

Regardless, that doesn't change my mind about the effectiveness of BJJ as a self-defense art. Granted, it is good to be a know how to strike, but an intermediate practitioner of BJJ can beat most advanced level practitioners of most striking arts.

By the way, your name isn't Beau is it? Just wondering, but from your inquiry I'd gather you came from the Gracie Torrance school, and Beau was trained by Rickson. Peace, man... :D

[omegapoint]

'Fighter: Whas'sup, man? I talked to my boy today and he told me the same thing. He said that Ryron AND Rener both finished an opponent using a lapel "cross choke". In Ryron's match he placed his left hand on his opponent's left gi lapel and worked it to the back of his neck and faked like he was going for a throw, then he immediately crossed his right hand over his left on the opposite lapel and began to sink the choke in. The dude being choked tried to go to the ground and tried to get him in his guard but started to tap before they hit the ground. He said Rener did a similar cross-choke and the outcome was the same. Ill!!! I can trust this guy 'cause we grew up together overseas, and he not only takes privates with Ryron, but considers him a close friend, too. Later! :D

[Shaolin]

A thousand thank yous for the information, it was a big help. In the last month I've been doing a little research on BJJ and in my opinion I feel BJJ is an extremly ffect self defence. I would again like to thank Omegapoint and knifefighter very much for your help.