Martial Sports?

[Pork Chop]

Instead of jumping on the MMA bandwagon, would it be possible to call this section "Martial Sports".
I know we have the "Other Related Arts" section, but this would be a cool place for Judo, Shuai Chiao, mma, muay thai, san shou/san da, boxing, tkd, bjj, and sambo folks to shoot the bull or talk about technique.

I think the title of the forum being "Mixed Martial Arts" gives the feel that if we're not posting about UFC, Dream, or Strikeforce then posts of that nature don't belong. I would hope that it would generate some more traffic.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hmmm, glorified kick boxing knuckle head MMA nutrider...
:p

[Pork Chop]

Hmmm, glorified kick boxing knuckle head MMA nutrider...
:p

actually, i'm proposing this because mma is starting to bore the pi$$ out of me... :p

[sanjuro_ronin]

actually, i'm proposing this because mma is starting to bore the pi$$ out of me... :p

I have never been a fan of MMA sporting events.
Training yes, competition, not so much.

[WinterPalm]

I have never been a fan of MMA sporting events.
Training yes, competition, not so much.

Why?


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[sanjuro_ronin]

Why?


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Well, to be honest I have never been a fan of watching any sporting event.
Doing, HELL YES, but watching...nah..
But I don't mind watch boxing and MT, or even wrestling and Judo.
BJJ and submision grappling can get a tad boring at times, but you can admire the strategy and beauty of those sports.
Not saying that MMA isn't all of the above, just that I find it a tad, well...amateurish.
I don't like the typical players, don't like the anouncers all that much, don't like the image associated with it, don't care much for most of the fighters other than guys like GSP, Silva and Fedor.
Basically, if I wanna see a good striking match I will watch boxing or K-1, if I wanna see grappling I will watch the ADCC or wrestling or judo.

Its just my personal view, that's all.

[Pork Chop]

Its just my personal view, that's all.

That's exactly my opinion on it.
I think it'd be fun to do (at least till I got subbed); but watching not so much.

Occasionally you'll see a good exhibition of skill (anderson silva's muay thai, aoki's submission grappling, fedor's transitions, etc) but a lot of it isn't.
I find sloppy wrestling to be a little too dominant.
Not a fan of ground and pound either.

[EDIT: The attitude, imagery & advertising makes me want to vomit too.
How many skull & pitbull shirts do you really need?]

Last weekend I was at an event and a guy from my coworker's gym shot a double from about 10 feet out. Either his opponent was no good, or he was in a 3 point stance - but he should've had his head taken off.

I would much rather watch a K1-max fight.
It really irks me that we can't get a local muay thai event more than once a year, but we have mma fights once a month.

[WinterPalm]

MMA is definitely popular.
And to jump right in you need to be well-rounded or jack of all or whatever, and that makes for less technical proficiency in one area. I've been to live events and found it kind of boring...Thai or San Da make for a better spectator sport...especially live.

I hear you guys about the imagery...it's all just silly...thankfully I don't own any overpriced Affliction garbage.

[Oso]

mma is selling stuff now...that's pretty much the final answer.

besides, isn't it a bit late to make the suggestion?

[MasterKiller]

This is the combat sports forum. We have discussions on full-contact Karate, BJJ, San Shou, etc...

[Pork Chop]

This is the combat sports forum. We have discussions on full-contact Karate, BJJ, San Shou, etc...

yeah, i just thought it would be cool if the name of the forum reflected that; instead of "RAAAWWRRR brand new forum for the modern warrior!!! and don't forget to buy the new Affliction gear, now with more GRIM REAPERS!!! RAAAAWWWRRR"



Oso-
Mma is hot right now; yes, but looking at how watered down some of the UFC cards have been lately I'm not very confident that it's going to stay on top. Then again, with guys like CroCop & Overeem (not to mention a few Thais) leaving elite striking events to do mma full time, I'm not sure there will be any competition (outside of boxing) for those spectator dollars.

[AdrianK]

I'm with Sanjuro - I used to watch MMA all the time, but not really a fan anymore. I think the competition and the matchups have gotten better, but it just doesn't excite me like a great boxing match.

Speaking of which, did anyone see Juan Manuel Marquez Vs. Juan Diaz a couple weeks ago?

Fight of the god **** year.

[Oso]

yeah, i just thought it would be cool if the name of the forum reflected that; instead of "RAAAWWRRR brand new forum for the modern warrior!!! and don't forget to buy the new Affliction gear, now with more GRIM REAPERS!!! RAAAAWWWRRR"

you ok, buddy? sounds like someone slipped you a few too many roids ;)

where has KFM been pimping any gear except the small line of stuff they are stocking at MAM? the only thing i saw, threadwise, was the one about the dolls....geez, MMA fans like to play with dolls!!!!! :D there's some freudian shiat for ya! 'oh, man Rampage is a bad mofo...and look at this cool doll I have of him...oh, let me wipe that off...' :p

Oso-
Mma is hot right now; yes, but looking at how watered down some of the UFC cards have been lately I'm not very confident that it's going to stay on top. Then again, with guys like CroCop & Overeem (not to mention a few Thais) leaving elite striking events to do mma full time, I'm not sure there will be any competition (outside of boxing) for those spectator dollars.


maybe, but, right now it's hot and everone is getting on the wagon for the ride


edit: oh, yea, just remembered Gene's thread about their line of generic mma shirts...sorry

[MightyB]

Well, to be honest I have never been a fan of watching any sporting event.
Doing, HELL YES, but watching...nah..
But I don't mind watch boxing and MT, or even wrestling and Judo.
BJJ and submision grappling can get a tad boring at times, but you can admire the strategy and beauty of those sports.
Not saying that MMA isn't all of the above, just that I find it a tad, well...amateurish.
I don't like the typical players, don't like the anouncers all that much, don't like the image associated with it, don't care much for most of the fighters other than guys like GSP, Silva and Fedor.
Basically, if I wanna see a good striking match I will watch boxing or K-1, if I wanna see grappling I will watch the ADCC or wrestling or judo.

Its just my personal view, that's all.

I agree 1000%

On a second note- Did Gracie's Gi-only grappling challenge ever take off? He was trying to create a hybrid sport where the best Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, and Sambo guys could go at it with a rules-neutral approach that favored no art above the other.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I agree 1000%

On a second note- Did Gracie's Gi-only grappling challenge ever take off? He was trying to create a hybrid sport where the best Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, and Sambo guys could go at it with a rules-neutral approach that favored no art above the other.

I don't think so, probably had the issue of time limits to overcome.

[Pork Chop]

maybe, but, right now it's hot and everone is getting on the wagon for the ride
edit: oh, yea, just remembered Gene's thread about their line of generic mma shirts...sorry

btw- i never meant to imply that Gene was acting like that, it's what mma implies these days - dudes with tons of tats, faux hawks, t-shirts 2 sizes too small, and an obsession for barbed wire, pitbulls, skulls, and cr@ppy music.

I'd be a lot cooler with the whole mma thing if it were taking the other combat sports along for the ride instead of trying to eclipse them. How cool would it be to go to an mma event and see boxing, muay thai, san shou, judo, and/or sambo matches on the undercard?

[WinterPalm]

btw- i never meant to imply that Gene was acting like that, it's what mma implies these days - dudes with tons of tats, faux hawks, t-shirts 2 sizes too small, and an obsession for barbed wire, pitbulls, skulls, and cr@ppy music.

I'd be a lot cooler with the whole mma thing if it were taking the other combat sports along for the ride instead of trying to eclipse them. How cool would it be to go to an mma event and see boxing, muay thai, san shou, judo, and/or sambo matches on the undercard?

The cards around here do that with Thai boxing, boxing, and MMA with any of the above being the main event.
I'm hoping to get them to try and promote San Shou sometime within the next year.

[Oso]

btw- i never meant to imply that Gene was acting like that, it's what mma implies these days - dudes with tons of tats, faux hawks, t-shirts 2 sizes too small, and an obsession for barbed wire, pitbulls, skulls, and cr@ppy music.

i know, but, even so, TC and MAM has jumped on with 'mma' categories...but hey, the both make their money off of karate and tkd anyway...not 'us';) ...but, that's good otherwise we would not have such a wonderful way to reduce productivity as this here place :)

I'd be a lot cooler with the whole mma thing if it were taking the other combat sports along for the ride instead of trying to eclipse them. How cool would it be to go to an mma event and see boxing, muay thai, san shou, judo, and/or sambo matches on the undercard?

what...surely you don't mean 'share' ????? ;)

[Pork Chop]

The cards around here do that with Thai boxing, boxing, and MMA with any of the above being the main event.
I'm hoping to get them to try and promote San Shou sometime within the next year.

They do that on the east coast too; I remember lots of mixed shows in Virginia.
Out here, it's only mixed if it's not mainly an mma card; for example, last year they had a muay thai card, with an mma amateur title fight being the main event. It was sad too, the only fight where they went all out with a light show, smoke machines, and big entrance; people actually left during the slow-paced fight. Even on lean mma cards the only other event they have is submission grappling.

My other gripe is that mma has succeeded in the midst of lawmakers cracking down on stand up events. Look at the California situation. They can have amateur & professional mma, with bare elbows, no headgear, or shinguards. In the meantime, muay thai gets banned for a short time (till the Thai community bands together) and sanshou continues to be banned. Why do I dislike mma for this? Because they raised the amount of money lawmakers can expect for these type of bouts. In other words, they're the hot item, so anybody else has to pony up or get banned. Yes, this is more of an issue with corrupt lawmakers but the promoters in charge could push for the other rulesets.

Scott Coker over at Strikeforce started out with kickboxing cards. I think he's also done mixed events. He has an awesome opportunity to put some pressure on lawmakers to get the other events sanctioned. I don't know if he ever plans on doing mixed cards again, but Cung's in a unique position to whisper in his ear.