OT: does obama bring change?

[Exadon]

another way to discourage family ties and create delinquent and neglected children... social brainwashing seems to be shifting gears.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/27/education.school.year/index.html

more change we can believe in. :rolleyes:

Social brainwashing...you mean like mass religion? oh no wait...you are talking about education! Yes...why would we want our students to stay in school longer...
clearly this will created neglected children...who could other wise be playing video games at home...or watching TV!

Do you even read what you post ?

your link had the following


Duncan said some of that money will provide schools with immediate relief to keep teachers.

"Thanks to the stimulus package, we have the chance to save literally hundreds of thousands of teacher positions. This is a huge, huge deal," he said, citing a University of Washington study that suggests 600,000 teachers could be lost this year without drastic intervention.

"We're going to be able to avert maybe not all of those cuts but a huge percentage of those, and that's very very important," he said.


p.s. this (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53336) seems to me like more social brain washing.

[uki]

Social brainwashing...you mean like mass religion? yes, i mean just like mass religions.

oh no wait...you are talking about education! Yes...why would we want our students to stay in school longer...why to keep them even more discombobulated from their respective families... i don't agree with public schooling, it amounts to state sponsored daycare to say the least... another way for irresponsible parents to throw off parental responsiblity to the state so they can blame someone else besides themselves for their childrens misdeeds in life.

clearly this will created neglected children...who could other wise be playing video games at home...or watching TV!i don't agree with modern television either, hence we have been without cable, satellite, or digital for years; myself is going on like 15 years now. video games are ok in relative moderation, then again it is up to responsible parents to dictate their childrens moderation in all things... certain games obviously should not be allowed.

Do you even read what you post ?of course, but i am usually so disgusted with it after a few sentences that i do not need, nor desire to read anymore of it.

your link had the followingi know what i link... afterall it was i who linked it to begin with.

[BoulderDawg]

another way to discourage family ties and create delinquent and neglected children... social brainwashing seems to be shifting gears.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/27/education.school.year/index.html

more change we can believe in. :rolleyes:

I'm divided on this issue.

Given the current structure we have in schools today a 12 month school year would be beneficial. I have done some substitute teaching and see the way it works. The school day lasts, lets say, from 8-3. During that seven hours, getting back and forth to class, settling into class, calling role, lunch and so forth takes at least half of that time. Then you have special assembly, recess, PE, and junk classes(Your role in society, Hygiene 101, etc). This takes another 2-2 1/2 hours. Add on top of that discipline problems that disrupt class and you may, if you're lucky, get in 1-2 hours a day of quality instruction. Of course you're going to have to spend more time in the class room under this system.

I say reduce school to four hours a day. Have only four courses that everyone takes: Math, English, science and maybe history or another elective. Classes last 50 minutes. There would be two teachers for each class and any discipline problems would not be handled by the teachers but instead but be dealt with by discipline specialist who would move the problem out of class so it could continue. Let the park and rec provide any physical activity/art in the afternoon if the student wants it.

The important thing here is to train the students that for 50 minutes you will be in class studying, not worrying about pep rallies, decorating the gym for a special activity or anything else.

*****

Finally I have my reservations about 12 month schooling but I have severe doubts that it will lead to a break down in family values.

[Exadon]

i know what i link... afterall it was i who linked it to begin with.

The reason why I asked, is because the link showed how the stimulas bill will save teacher's jobs.

You always post a link, say something like
"Oh this is change we can believe in" and then do a roll eyes icon. Even though what you linked talks about how many teachers jobs will be saved...thanks to the stimulus plan. I don't see how that deserves a roll of the eyes and "change we can believe in" smug remark.

I never understood the whole "I don't believe in" comment. Things I don't believe in are:

Fairies
Dragons
Flying Pigs

Public schooling is real...believe in it or not.

[Luk Hop]

I'm divided on this issue.

Given the current structure we have in schools today a 12 month school year would be beneficial. I have done some substitute teaching and see the way it works. The school day lasts, lets say, from 8-3. During that seven hours, getting back and forth to class, settling into class, calling role, lunch and so forth takes at least half of that time. Then you have special assembly, recess, PE, and junk classes(Your role in society, Hygiene 101, etc). This takes another 2-2 1/2 hours. Add on top of that discipline problems that disrupt class and you may, if you're lucky, get in 1-2 hours a day of quality instruction. Of course you're going to have to spend more time in the class room under this system.

I say reduce school to four hours a day. Have only four courses that everyone takes: Math, English, science and maybe history or another elective. Classes last 50 minutes. There would be two teachers for each class and any discipline problems would not be handled by the teachers but instead but be dealt with by discipline specialist who would move the problem out of class so it could continue. Let the park and rec provide any physical activity/art in the afternoon if the student wants it.

The important thing here is to train the students that for 50 minutes you will be in class studying, not worrying about pep rallies, decorating the gym for a special activity or anything else.

*****

Finally I have my reservations about 12 month schooling but I have severe doubts that it will lead to a break down in family values.


You have raised some good points. Many of which I am in agreement with.


The way I see it. Get rid of public schools all together. Wait a minute, to radical. This tends to scare people. Then start by getting rid of extracurricular activities and shift the responsibilities of those activities to the community. Get rid of the vast majority of social programs that are in the schools. Yea, the ones that tend to eat up tax money with no results. The public is truly unaware of many things that occur in the schools.

Provide training that can prepare students to actually be functional in society. Welding, shop, tailoring, clerical skills, baking etc…. instead of just processing another batch of burger flippers, future inmates and welfare recipients.

Shorten the school day. Shorten the length of the classes, after all the students now have an even shorter attention span. In general. if you can’t teach what you need to teach in about 12 to 15 minutes you are either ineffective or in a world of delusion. (sometimes there are exceptions). The attention span for most students is about 12 to 15 minutes, after that you are wasting time. In general most curriculums contain way to much information than is needed. KISS should be the motto.

Discipline – remove them from the other students instead of leaving them in the classroom and allowing them to pull down the other students to their level thus creating a perpetual rollercoaster of stupidity in the public schools. Unfortunately the public schools want all of the warm bodies that they can get. Warm bodies = more funding from the government.

Teach economic mobility instead of mandating unconditional social equality.

[Exadon]

I'm divided on this issue.

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*****

Finally I have my reservations about 12 month schooling but I have severe doubts that it will lead to a break down in family values.

You make some really good points. Also Japan has crazy work hours and school hours...and yet still hold strong family values.

If they can do it, we can as well.

[Exadon]

Provide training that can prepare students to actually be functional in society. Welding, shop, tailoring, clerical skills, baking etc

I agree with that 100%. Maybe even have students learn what trade is in demand at the time...and what trade has been in constant demand.

[Drake]

I agree with that 100%. Maybe even have students learn what trade is in demand at the time...and what trade has been in constant demand.

There's always been shop class. I took machine shop back when I was in high school. But you can't make kids learn a particular trade, and many colleges don't regard shop classes too highly.

I'm not sure how your particular school worked, but we did have a number of trade courses available for students who wanted them, and even co-op programs where they'd work in a sort of apprentice-like manner at a local industry. Some of us went that way, and others stayed traditional, went to college, and now make ridiculous money.

[Drake]

1Bad, I went to a certain town in southern AZ today, and they tend to shy away from taxes. The town was absolutely thriving. People seemed happy, and it seemed every business was filled to max capacity. You'd probably find this place an interesting case study...

[jo]

The way I see it. Get rid of public schools all together.
Teach economic mobility instead of mandating unconditional social equality.

So only those who can afford schools should be able to go?

How can people have "economic mobility" when NeoCons like you really want a caste system?

- jo

[uki]

The way I see it. Get rid of public schools all together. yes!!! save the children!!!

Wait a minute, to radical. true... you might be labelled a terrorist or something. :rolleyes:

This tends to scare people. hahahahaha!!! people are petrified as it is.
The reason why I asked, is because the link showed how the stimulas bill will save teacher's jobs. i don 't believe in public school, i don't believe in biased education and history, and i sure as heck don't care if teachers of these things are out of an effing job.(i'd like to thank oso here for the wonderful word... effing) :)

You always post a link, say something like
"Oh this is change we can believe in" and then do a roll eyes icon. this concept is called sarcasm.

Even though what you linked talks about how many teachers jobs will be saved...thanks to the stimulus plan. I don't see how that deserves a roll of the eyes and "change we can believe in" smug remark.obviously you still are not getting what i am implying here...

I never understood the whole "I don't believe in" comment.it's really not that difficult to understand.

Things I don't believe in are:

Fairies
Dragons
Flying Pigsok... i'm not so sure about the flying pigs.

Public schooling is real...believe in it or not.yes. it's a REAL big effing sham. :D

Also Japan has crazy work hours and school hours...and yet still hold strong family values.because it has a prominent place in their culture... the average american family is based on the culture of dysfunctionability(you have to love the new words). :p

If they can do it, we can as well.sure we can... you have to moderate your optimism here, too much of one thing is not a good thing. :)

[Luk Hop]

So only those who can afford schools should be able to go?

How can people have "economic mobility" when NeoCons like you really want a caste system?

- jo

Yes. Just label me a NeoCon if you don't agree with me. How typical.

Mobility breaks down the caste system.

Incentive is the key. That is why socialism will eventually always falter.

[Exadon]

i don 't believe in public school, i don't believe in biased education and history,

You will get biased opinions and education no matter where you go. Humans are biased. History books are biased. Where do you send your child that does not have a biased education with accurate and unbiased books?

[Luk Hop]

yes!!! save the children!!!. :)


Yes. We must do it for the children.

I haven't been labeled a terrorist yet, but I have been labeled many other things by the supposed powers that be.:D

[BoulderDawg]

I don't know but as far as I'm concerned rich people can educate their kids however they please. As far the rest of us poor folks, I believe the state has an obligation to provide a quality education for all.

I also believe that children who cannot (or will not) do the work assigned should not hold the class back. After two chances at the same class they should be placed in a class that goes a lot slower and gives more individual attention. After that? Teach them how to mow grass I guess. However don't graduate these kids and pronounce them the same as the others in their class.

[uki]

Yes. We must do it for the children.children come first... always.

I haven't been labeled a terrorist yet, but I have been labeled many other things by the supposed powers that be.why not see what our friends in the FBI have to say about that. :D

http://cryptome.org/fbi-ct-lexicon.pdf

everyone is a suspect...

[BoulderDawg]

You will get biased opinions and education no matter where you go. Humans are biased. History books are biased. Where do you send your child that does not have a biased education with accurate and unbiased books?

Yes, very true. I can hear the neo religious fanatics screaming now!

I remember the one thing that was a big issue in the south is pray in school.....:D They didn't care that the quality of education was at or near the bottom for the entire nation just as long as you could pray in school!

[Luk Hop]

I don't know but as far as I'm concerned rich people can educate their kids however they please. As far the rest of us poor folks, I believe the state has an obligation to provide a quality education for all.

I also believe that children who cannot (or will not) do the work assigned should not hold the class back. After two chances at the same class they should be placed in a class that goes a lot slower and gives more individual attention. After that? Teach them how to mow grass I guess. However don't graduate these kids and pronounce them the same as the others in their class.

You can thank the good people at the ACLU. We can't discriminate. Slower students are mandated by federal law to be included in x amount of classes with the other students. It is called Inclusion.

Try to teach some of them to mow grass and they will tell you to F--k off. Most kids have discovered that they don't have to do sh-t. The system will move them along, and the system will provide. Thank god for the "gubberment."

[uki]

I can hear the neo religious fanatics screaming now!they've been screaming the whole time!!!

I remember the one thing that was a big issue in the south is pray in school.....:D They didn't care that the quality of education was at or near the bottom for the entire nation just as long as you could pray in school!soon knocking the southpaws will constitute as being a hate crime. :D

[BoulderDawg]

I haven't been labeled a terrorist yet, but I have been labeled many other things by the supposed powers that be.:D

OH I have been....I've been called a terrorist, hippy, traitor, radical, socialist, ho-mo commie, N lover...along with a hundred others. I think my favorite was agitator!:D I was always good at that!

[Luk Hop]

children come first... always.
why not see what our friends in the FBI have to say about that. :D

http://cryptome.org/fbi-ct-lexicon.pdf

everyone is a suspect...

I stand corrected.

[Luk Hop]

OH I have been....I've been called a terrorist, hippy, traitor, radical, socialist, ho-mo commie, N lover...along with a hundred others. I think my favorite was agitator!:D I was always good at that!

I have been called an agitator as well. LOL :cool:

[uki]

I have been called an agitator as well. LOL personally i am a fan of the word... instigator.

[BoulderDawg]

You can thank the good people at the ACLU. We can't discriminate. Slower students are mandated by federal law to be included in x amount of classes with the other students. It is called Inclusion.

The ACLU is not interested in putting kids in classes they can't handle. They are more interested in making sure that poor, minority and handicapped kids have as much chance at an education as the rest of us.

When I was substitute teaching I had a chance to teach the "honors" class from time to time. The first time I taught this I thought "This is great! Some bright students for a change"...I was soon disappointed. The vast majority of this class was made up of the students of the rich. The light was on and dressed very nicely but still not shining too bright!:D

[Luk Hop]

personally i am a fan of the word... instigator.

Maybe you should replace - Uncouth Knotty Impudent - with The Uncouth Knotty Impudent Instigator.:D

[Luk Hop]

The ACLU is not interested in putting kids in classes they can't handle. They are more interested in making sure that poor, minority and handicapped kids have as much chance at an education as the rest of us.

When I was substitute teaching I had a chance to teach the "honors" class from time to time. The first time I taught this I thought "This is great! Some bright students for a change"...I was soon disappointed. The vast majority of this class was made up of the students of the rich. The light was on and dressed very nicely but still not shining too bright!:D

Read up on Section 504 and At Risk Students. What is a crime is the number of students who are being labeled as Section 504. What and who defines someone as having a disability?

The more 504's a school has the more money it receives from the government.

[1bad65]

Read up on Section 504 and At Risk Students. What is a crime is the number of students who are being labeled as Section 504. What and who defines someone as having a disability?

The more 504's a school has the more money it receives from the government.

He doesn't have to read from some Neo blog. He is already on expert on education, even though he has no experience in it. Just like he is an expert in military logistics despite having zero experience in that field as well.

[uki]

can someone help explain just what this article is talking about? my gut instincts tell me that the term engagement here is being used in reference to combat... yes?

WASHINGTON, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) -- U.S. President Barack Obama reiterated on Friday that the United States will pursue "principled and sustained" engagement with all Middle Eastern nations including Iran and Syria.

"Going forward, the United States will pursue principled and sustained engagement with all of the nations in the region, and that will include Iran and Syria," Obama told U.S. Marines at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/28/content_10914836.htm

[Luk Hop]

everyone is a suspect...

Privacy advocates are issuing warnings about a new radio chip plan that ultimately could provide electronic identification for every adult in the U.S. and allow agents to compile attendance lists at anti-government rallies simply by walking through the assembly.

The proposal, which has earned the support of Janet Napolitano, the newly chosen chief of the Department of Homeland Security, would embed radio chips in driver's licenses, or "enhanced driver's licenses.":(

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90008

[Luk Hop]

Alright, back on topic :D

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday condemned a US report on global counternarcotics, saying President Barack Obama is continuing the policies of his predecessor, George W. Bush.

"Is there a new government in the United States or is it Bush still in power? Obama seems to be a continuation of the Bush era. But it doesn't matter to me. Regardless of US imperialism, this revolution will continue its course," Chavez said in a speech.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b0b8bd405048e19f36fa896834ca05 8.eb1&show_article=1

[jo]

most honest people would. marijuana is not harmful for you in moderation, wether to relieve pain or for recreational purposes...

Thats one reason the CIA started to traffic in coke.

AIR AMERICA!!!! RONNIE'S RAIDERS!!!!

- jo

[uki]

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday condemned a US report on global counternarcotics, saying President Barack Obama is continuing the policies of his predecessor, George W. Bush.

"Is there a new government in the United States or is it Bush still in power? Obama seems to be a continuation of the Bush era. But it doesn't matter to me. Regardless of US imperialism, this revolution will continue its course," Chavez said in a speech.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b0b8bd405048e19f36fa896834ca05 8.eb1&show_article=1change we can believe in for sure. :rolleyes:

[BoulderDawg]

"The crowd went absolutely wild"

That's a quote I read about Rush Limbaugh's speech at the conservative/Neo/whatever it was convention this week.:D

Why does it not surprise me that a fat drug addict who funked out of college in first semester can inspire so many Neos! I guess because they have so much in common with their mental ability.:p

[Drake]

The only thing I agree with Rush on is that republicans have lost sight of who they are. By technical definition, they are FAR left nowadays, which is bad juju for a conservative party.

[1bad65]

Why does it not surprise me that a fat drug addict who funked out of college in first semester can inspire so many Neos! I guess because they have so much in common with their mental ability.:p

Education is no measure of success. Bill Gates and Michael Dell both dropped out of college as well.

And I'd bet all 3 of those guys make more in a week than you do in a year.

[BoulderDawg]

Education is no measure of success. Bill Gates and Michael Dell both dropped out of college as well.

And I'd bet all 3 of those guys make more in a week than you do in a year.

I have no problem with that what-so-ever. Some of us (Conservatives can't relate) know that the world is not built around money.

Would I trade my life for Limbaugh's? Not is a million years. When I get to be his age(I'm not that far away) I don't plan to look like a beached whale. I don't plan to make my living by insulting others and, first and foremost, I don't plan to have to take any drugs to perform in the bedroom.:D Gathering, from his demeanor, they don't work anyway!:eek:

[Hardwork108]

Here is an interesting take on Obama, it is called:

THE MEN BEHIND OBAMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H02w1bp4TcU&feature=related

[1bad65]

Another campaign promise broken:

"President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge against congressional earmarks and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said.

The House last week passed the measure that would keep the government running through Sept. 30, when the federal budget year ends. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, identified almost 8,600 earmarks totaling $7.7 billion; Democrats say the number is $3.8 billion."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending

[Drake]

I know both Bush's broke their campaign promises, but did Reagan ever? Anybody know?

[BoulderDawg]

Another campaign promise broken:

"President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge against congressional earmarks and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said.

The House last week passed the measure that would keep the government running through Sept. 30, when the federal budget year ends. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, identified almost 8,600 earmarks totaling $7.7 billion; Democrats say the number is $3.8 billion."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending

Or, in other words, about 4 days of fighting the war in Iraq.

But, of course, fighting the war is more important than things like monitoring a volcano.

[1bad65]

Or, in other words, about 4 days of fighting the war in Iraq.

But, of course, fighting the war is more important than things like monitoring a volcano.

He still lied about earmarks. Period.

Speaking of Iraq, he lied about that too. I recall he promised to get out of Iraq. Now his plan is to keep combat troops there.

Face it, the guy is a liar. It's not even been 100 days yet, and the promises are being broken at an astonishing rate. You guys got snookered, while us conservatives told you fools it was gonna happen.

[1bad65]

I know both Bush's broke their campaign promises, but did Reagan ever? Anybody know?

Obama is gonna break Clinton's record. :eek:

Lobbyists, tax cheats, Iraq, Gitmo, taxes, rescinding interrogation methods, granting prisoners rights, and earmarks are the broken promises I can list so far. Did I miss any? ;)

[Exadon]

Face it, the guy is a liar. It's not even been 100 days yet, and the promises are .

politicians lie? That never happens! We need a good conservative back in office, like how it was the last 8 years! Conservatives never lie!

[BoulderDawg]

He still lied about earmarks. Period.

Speaking of Iraq, he lied about that too. I recall he promised to get out of Iraq. Now his plan is to keep combat troops there.

Face it, the guy is a liar. It's not even been 100 days yet, and the promises are being broken at an astonishing rate. You guys got snookered, while us conservatives told you fools it was gonna happen.

What happened? I see a guy who has been dropped into a S storm and is trying to do what he can to get through it.

Had McCain got in we would have gotten more troops in Iraq and four more years of pising off other countries. Plus his solution to the economy would be less government intervention. Which is what got us into this mess in the first place.

[BoulderDawg]

Obama is gonna break Clinton's record. :eek:

Lobbyists, tax cheats, Iraq, Gitmo, taxes, rescinding interrogation methods, granting prisoners rights, and earmarks are the broken promises I can list so far. Did I miss any? ;)


If Obama can come anywhere close to the job that Clinton did I'll be satisfied.

[Drake]

50,000 troops in Iraq means I'll most definitely be going back there.

[BoulderDawg]

I was laughing last week watching Keith Olbermann. He was talking about Hannity and his web site. Apparently Hannity has some sort of poll on his web site as to how the conservatives are going to take back the country. I remember there were several choices including "taking up arms against the government".............of course this was the choice hands down in his poll.:D

As far as I'm concerned, if these guys want it that bad then fine. Us liberals don't believe is grabbing as much power as you can. We make non violent changes.

[1bad65]

What happened? I see a guy who has been dropped into a S storm and is trying to do what he can to get through it.

He made the promises. He either knew he was lying to get elected, or he was ignorant enough to make promises he couldn't keep. Take your pick.

Had McCain got in we would have gotten more troops in Iraq and four more years of pising off other countries. Plus his solution to the economy would be less government intervention. Which is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Another red herring. McCain is not the President, Obama is. And we can all see what a liar Obama is.

[1bad65]

50,000 troops in Iraq means I'll most definitely be going back there.

How can this be? :confused: Obama said we were getting out of Iraq.

[1bad65]

politicians lie? That never happens! We need a good conservative back in office, like how it was the last 8 years! Conservatives never lie!

But Obama promised 'Change'. That's the difference.

[1bad65]

Us liberals don't believe is grabbing as much power as you can.

Again proving you live in a world all your own.

[BoulderDawg]

Obama is. And we can all see what a liar Obama is.


I have no problem with that. Might I suggest that you go out on a street corner somewhere and just yell it to the rafters!:D


Ot better yet start up an "Impeach Obama" movement........Or are you maybe the type that agrees with Hanity's crowd and think the conservatives should get the government back through violence?

[BoulderDawg]

Again proving you live in a world all your own.

Really? That's better than goose steppin' to a bunch of junk that I read on the internet(ie: Neo Blogs).

Anyway you are incorrect about liberals. Consider this: There is one congressman on the hill that I would consider liberal...that's all. Truth is that if you're liberal you're not concerned with any political power.

[Drake]

Liberals seemed awfully concerned about the last election. :rolleyes:

[BoulderDawg]

Liberals seemed awfully concerned about the last election. :rolleyes:

Not any liberals that I know. Most of us didn't even vote. We have better things to occupy our time than rather who will be president.

[BoulderDawg]

By the way, if you go to a democratic board or a Obama board you will see that they are very careful NOT to use the term "Liberal". They call themselves "Progressives". My friends and I are not "Progressives".

[1bad65]

Not any liberals that I know. Most of us didn't even vote. We have better things to occupy our time than rather who will be president.

:confused:

So you had better things to do than vote, yet you spend hours here debating politics?

[1bad65]

By the way, if you go to a democratic board or a Obama board you will see that they are very careful NOT to use the term "Liberal". They call themselves "Progressives". My friends and I are not "Progressives".

They do that because 'liberals' don't win nationwide races.

For someone who claims to know so much about how politics works, you're awfully ignorant of the political process.

[BoulderDawg]

:confused:

So you had better things to do than vote, yet you spend hours here debating politics?

And still manage to run a business and volunteer 5-6 hours a week! How do I do it!:D

[Drake]

Odd... I thought they called themselves democrats.

[BoulderDawg]

They do that because 'liberals' don't win nationwide races.

So what? It goes back to the power thing. We don't mold our views to win popularity contests.

[Drake]

So... you aren't trying to win any elections, you aren't trying to get any political power...

You know a party with that sort of mentality is doomed to fail, right?

It's like showing up for a race with no intention of winning... just to sort of be there and not compete.

Your party has lost all right to complain about anything. You aren't part of the problem, or the solution... you are just there. That makes it worthless.

[1bad65]

Your party has lost all right to complain about anything.

Once their 'stimulus' plan fails, they will blame someone else. The only question is who. After all, they can't blame Bush forever. Or can they? ;)

[Reality_Check]

Once their 'stimulus' plan fails, they will blame someone else. The only question is who. After all, they can't blame Bush forever. Or can they? ;)

The Republicans/Conservatives have been blaming Bill Clinton for myriad things for 16 years. So, I guess there is still some time left to blame George W Bush. ;)

[Drake]

Once their 'stimulus' plan fails, they will blame someone else. The only question is who. After all, they can't blame Bush forever. Or can they? ;)

But he said he wasn't even a democrat...so he wasn't even part of that attempt at a solution.

[1bad65]

The Republicans/Conservatives have been blaming Bill Clinton for myriad things for 16 years. So, I guess there is still some time left to blame George W Bush. ;)

Can you give some examples?

The only times I can remember mentioning him is that he deregulated the banking industry just like Bush did, and him saying the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is more the Democrats fault than Bush's.

[Kansuke]

By the way, if you go to a democratic board or a Obama board you will see that they are very careful NOT to use the term "Liberal". They call themselves "Progressives". My friends and I are not "Progressives".




No, you and your friends are "idiots."

[Lokhopkuen]

He made the promises. He either knew he was lying to get elected, or he was ignorant enough to make promises he couldn't keep. Take your pick.



Another red herring. McCain is not the President, Obama is. And we can all see what a liar Obama is.

Why don't you save time and just yell N I G G E R and get it over with, Geez?:rolleyes:

Campaign promises are just that, promises to get elected. I didn't even vote but if I had I wouldn't have voted for a 70 year old man and his nurse LOL!

At lease Obama was ACTUALLY ELECTED by popular vote unlike the last administration that played games with ballot boxes and STOLE the election while the whole country stood by, looked on and DID NOTHING. Then those same guys put on 911 THEATER and took us to war looking for WMD in IRAQ that never existed.....

You know how George Bush knew there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? He had the receipt....

[Lokhopkuen]

can someone help explain just what this article is talking about? my gut instincts tell me that the term engagement here is being used in reference to combat... yes?



http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/28/content_10914836.htm

We started prep for Desert Warfare almost 40 years ago bro. We're there and we ain't going nowhere.

[Kansuke]

Why don't you save time and just yell N I G G E R and get it over with, Geez?:rolleyes:....


Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with Obama politically is a racist?

[Kansuke]

At lease Obama was ACTUALLY ELECTED by popular vote unlike the last administration that played games with ballot boxes and STOLE the election while the whole country stood by, looked on and DID NOTHING.....

This is an important distinction. Obama won the election (just as Bush had won the previous two) and you didn't hear Republicans whining about a "stolen" election or "rigged" voting machines - the same electoral process and mostly the same voting machines. Somebody won and somebody lost, just like every other election. Democrats seem to view the "Waaaa! We lost so it must have been a trick!" as their default position everytime they lose an election. That is weak ****.

[1bad65]

Why don't you save time and just yell N I G G E R and get it over with, Geez?:rolleyes:

Wow, I'm called a racist again. :rolleyes:

I'm such a racist that I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primaries. Idiot.

Campaign promises are just that, promises to get elected.

Like it was said earlier, Reagan never broke ANY campaign promises.

At lease Obama was ACTUALLY ELECTED by popular vote unlike the last administration that played games with ballot boxes and STOLE the election while the whole country stood by, looked on and DID NOTHING.

Oh Jeez, not this again. :rolleyes: Bush won EVERY recount in the 2000 election.

As for stealing an election, look at the 2002 Senate race in South Dakota.

Then those same guys put on 911 THEATER and took us to war looking for WMD in IRAQ that never existed.....

By those 'same guys', you mean people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? Remember, both of them voted for 'no strings attached' funding on the war, and Hillary actually voted for the war.

[Drake]

We started prep for Desert Warfare almost 40 years ago bro. We're there and we ain't going nowhere.

Uh, no we haven't. When I came in ten years ago we were still doing cold war-style training for a large scale conventional battle against Soviet-style weapons.

Even once the war got going, we were STILL doing it. We're finally at a point now where we have fully integrated full-spectrum, 4 dimensional asymetric warfare. And that's a challenge in itself, because CFLCC changes their SOPs and TTPs every month.

[BoulderDawg]

Uh, no we haven't. When I came in ten years ago we were still doing cold war-style training for a large scale conventional battle against Soviet-style weapons.

Got to agree with that. Back then the Americans just viewed the Arabs as funny little people in bedsheets that they could control any way they pleased. They never dreamed that these people might actually take offense to an American puppet like the Shah who murdered half of their families. The Americans never dreamed that one of these days these people might stand up and defend themselves.

[BoulderDawg]

Why don't you save time and just yell N I G G E R and get it over with, Geez?:rolleyes:

Oh Bad's okay with black folk as long as they know their place.....Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, Cunillingus Rice.....

However get a black man that actually speaks his mind......the Neos go apesht!:D

[Drake]

Actually it was because the dismantled USSR was still a very big threat, and we were on the edge of taking action against a conventional army in Yugoslavia. That was the thing that was going to get soldiers killed. Training against an insurgent enemy using IEDs and EFPs would have made as much sense as training to fight polar bears at that time.

[1bad65]

Oh Bad's okay with black folk as long as they know their place.....Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, Cunillingus Rice.....

However get a black man that actually speaks his mind......the Neos go apesht!:D

No, those people speak their mind too. FYI, It takes more courage to break with the majority, rather than just go along with the majority.

So let's get this straight: In your world, blacks who are liberals are actually speaking their minds. But blacks who are conservatives just 'know their place'. This is the way things are in your little world, correct?

Yet, I'm called the racist. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

How the hell is 1Bad racist just because he doesn't like the pres? That's the most stupid thing I ever heard of. I GUARANTEE you if the president was a republican and black, he would support him all the way. It's politics, not race. Really, that was dense. VERY dense.

[1bad65]

Once again, Drake shows he knows nothing about the military compared to the liberals on the board who are the true experts in military affairs. ;)

Speaking of desert warfare, Jimmy Carter was a genius in rescue operations over there, wasn't he?

[1bad65]

How the hell is 1Bad racist just because he doesn't like the pres? That's the most stupid thing I ever heard of. I GUARANTEE you if the president was a republican and black, he would support him all the way. It's politics, not race. Really, that was dense. VERY dense.

Calling people racist, sexist, ****phobes, etc is always done when you can't refute the other guy's arguments.

[BoulderDawg]

No, those people speak their mind too. FYI, It takes more courage to break with the majority, rather than just go along with the majority.

So let's get this straight: In your world, blacks who are liberals are actually speaking their minds. But blacks who are conservatives just 'know their place'. This is the way things are in your little world, correct?

I think Harry Belafonte put it best when he described the Bush House Ns. I can't improve on that. Colin Powell and JC Watts now regret the step n fetch it routine they went through.

[BoulderDawg]

Calling people racist, sexist, ****phobes, etc is always done when you can't refute the other guy's arguments.


You don't overtly come out are make cracks about someone's race, however you've came on this board and call Hillary Clinton a lesbian at least a hundred times. You also can't talk about Barney Franks without making crude remarks about his sexuality.

Is this what you mean about using something when you can't refute and arguement?

[1bad65]

You also can't talk about Barney Franks without making crude remarks about his sexuality.

Show me ONE instance where I used "crude remarks". I have referenced it though. One was the fact he was dating an excutive at Fannie Mae, the other was that there was a male prostitution ring being run out of his house. Those are both facts though, not "crude remarks". I want to see those.

[1bad65]

I think Harry Belafonte put it best when he described the Bush House Ns. I can't improve on that. Colin Powell and JC Watts now regret the step n fetch it routine they went through.

You type this garbage. Yet, I'm the racist. :rolleyes:

[1bad65]

I notice race was brought up once I pointed out Obama can't blame Bush forever. Is this a topic you guys are scared to discuss rationally? ;)

[Drake]

Actually, during the Lewinsky scandal, Bill Clinton was noted as making remarks about how his wife isn't exactly straight.

[Reality_Check]

Actually, during the Lewinsky scandal, Bill Clinton was noted as making remarks about how his wife isn't exactly straight.

Sigh...

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=907169&postcount=1364

We've discussed this. You are stating something as fact that is open to question. Hillary Clinton is alleged to be a lesbian by Gennifer Flowers. Unless Bill Clinton comes out and says that publicly, your comment is irrelevant

[Reality_Check]

Can you give some examples?

The only times I can remember mentioning him is that he deregulated the banking industry just like Bush did, and him saying the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is more the Democrats fault than Bush's.

Relax Sparky, I was making a joke. :D

[Drake]

Hey, I don't care if she is or isn't. But I think bisexual would be a better word for her. As long as she doesn't eff up being Sec of State, I don't care what she puts in her mouth.

I'm pretty sure 1bad concurs with that assessment.

[1bad65]

Hey, I don't care if she is or isn't. But I think bisexual would be a better word for her. As long as she doesn't eff up being Sec of State, I don't care what she puts in her mouth.

I'm pretty sure 1bad concurs with that assessment.

Sure do.

About the only real concern in terms of people in power having secrets like that is that it's entirely possible they could be blackmailed.

[1bad65]

Relax Sparky, I was making a joke. :D

So you can't provide examples then. :rolleyes:

[Reality_Check]

So you can't provide examples then. :rolleyes:

Sigh...I wasn't talking about your posts. Hence the "Republicans/Conservatives" in my post. Since you're a Libertarian, I thought that would be self-evident.

So, Republicans/Conservatives have never blamed Bill Clinton for:

9/11 (He failed to take out Bin Laden!!!)?
North Korea (They have nukes!!)?
The current economic mess (Glass-Steagal!!! George Bush inherited a recession!!!)?
The US Attorneys scandal (Clinton fired US Attorneys too!!)?
Vince Foster's suicide (It was murder!!)?
Military readiness re:Iraq (“If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report, ‘Not ready for duty, sir.’”)?
1995 Government shutdown?
Somalia?
Ruby Ridge?
Whitewater?
High oil prices (He wouldn't let us drill in ANWR!!)?
No WMD's in Iraq (Clinton devastated US intelligence capabilities!!)
Wayne DuMond?

[Drake]

Somalia was just a case of everything that could possibly go wrong - going wrong. You can't possibly blame Clinton for that one.

[BoulderDawg]

Michael Steele just found out what it's like for a black man to get out of line in the republican party. Yesterday he had the audicity to question Rush Limbaugh's comments. Of course today he was blasted by Limbaugh.


I just heard on TV that Steele is falling all over himself apologizing for those comments. Yep! I can see why Blacks want to be in the GOP!:rolleyes:

[Kansuke]

Oh Bad's okay with black folk as long as they know their place.....Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, Cunillingus Rice.....

However get a black man that actually speaks his mind......the Neos go apesht!:D



Are you saying that any person of color who is a Republican is some kind of sellout? Do you want to go that far down 'Stupid Lane'?

[Kansuke]

It must be concluded by this point that Boulderdawg is a blatant racist.

[Drake]

It must be concluded by this point that Boulderdawg is a blatant racist.

It's true. 1Bad was discussing politics, and the BD goes off saying all black republicans are simply yes-men. I mean, WTF?

And he defends himself by saying that 1Bad is a racist by calling Hillary a lesbian? WTF 2X!?!!?! Because 1Bad disagrees with Obama's policies?!??!! WTF?!?!!? Last I checked, 1Bad is simply stating his opinion on things. He's conservative, which isn't exactly the most popular party right now. However, BD is WAY out of line. If you don't like what 1Bad is saying, either put him on ignore or argue with him like an adult, with facts and civility.

I don't agree with all of what 1Bad has to say, but he seems to be the most civil and calm person here.

[Lokhopkuen]

Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with Obama politically is a racist?

Yes! Absolutely!

[Lokhopkuen]

[QUOTE=1bad65;918876]Wow, I'm called a racist again. :rolleyes:

I'm such a racist that I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 primaries. Idiot.
Wow, I'm called a racist again. /QUOTE]

Buy some haaaay.:p

[Lokhopkuen]

It's true. 1Bad was discussing politics, and the BD goes off saying all black republicans are simply yes-men. I mean, WTF?


Doesn't sound at all racist to me.:rolleyes:

[Lokhopkuen]

<SNIP>however you've came on this board and call Hillary Clinton a lesbian at least a hundred times. <SNIP/>.


Now I'm not saying nothing, but, I know somebody who knows someone, who heard someone who knew someone whom had known a secret service agent that had worked with another Agent who'd had sex with a female Agent Detailed to an important White House principal who was not Hilary Clinton but whom was reputed to be a lesbian. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Siu Lum Fighter]

I'm sorry but any black man who is a staunch Republican can only be considered a Tom to one degree or another. Especially when Rush Limbaugh is now being heralded as the new voice of the Republican party! Anyone who doesn't think there were racist overtones to "Barack the Magic Negro" or his "nappy-headed hos" comment is an ignoramus. Seems to me like the majority of Republicans still love Rush which is why it astounds me that any black man would identify with them. They are, after all, the 'white party'.

I think I just read something in here about Harry Belafonte and his illegal activities. Well. let's not forget Rush and his Oxycontin (or 'Hillbily Heroin') addiction. He deceived several doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions like a pathetic drug fiend. Republicans are the most supreme hypocrites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScW9r0y3c4

[BoulderDawg]

Well I guess we'll see just how Black Republicans react to pressure.

I heard on TV that Steele had apologized to Limbaugh for his remarks. However I haven't seen a quote on that yet.

If Steele comes out and says,

"I have nothing to apologize for. Limbaugh is a radio personality who thinks he's the leader of the party. I'm the leader of the party."

Then I will applaud him and say they are on the right track.

However if the reports I've heard are true (Which I suspect they are) of Steele doing an Uncle Tom act in front of the entire party then that will show that I was right.

I read somewhere that over 95% of the blacks in this country supported Obama in the last election. With things like this going on everyday in the GOP I'm wondering if anyone would call themselves a "Black Conservative".

[BoulderDawg]

Now I'm not saying nothing, but, I know somebody who knows someone, who heard someone who knew someone whom had known a secret service agent that had worked with another Agent who'd had sex with a female Agent Detailed to an important White House principal who was not Hilary Clinton but whom was reputed to be a lesbian. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yep! I knew someone who talked to my cousin who had brother who's friend worked with a friend who knew someone at the White House who had heard that Hilliary ate the donut!:D

[Drake]

I'm sorry but any black man who is a staunch Republican can only be considered a Tom to one degree or another. Especially when Rush Limbaugh is now being heralded as the new voice of the Republican party! Anyone who doesn't think there were racist overtones to "Barack the Magic Negro" or his "nappy-headed hos" comment is an ignoramus. Seems to me like the majority of Republicans still love Rush which is why it astounds me that any black man would identify with them. They are, after all, the 'white party'.

I think I just read something in here about Harry Belafonte and his illegal activities. Well. let's not forget Rush and his Oxycontin (or 'Hillbily Heroin') addiction. He deceived several doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions like a pathetic drug fiend. Republicans are the most supreme hypocrites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScW9r0y3c4

Nappy headed hos was Don Imus... not Rush...

[BoulderDawg]

I'm sorry but any black man who is a staunch Republican can only be considered a Tom to one degree or another. Especially when Rush Limbaugh is now being heralded as the new voice of the Republican party! Anyone who doesn't think there were racist overtones to "Barack the Magic Negro" or his "nappy-headed hos" comment is an ignoramus. Seems to me like the majority of Republicans still love Rush which is why it astounds me that any black man would identify with them. They are, after all, the 'white party'.


Limbaugh something else isn't he!:D

Here's a man that's been divorced three times (Probably because he couldn't get it up...he sure doesn't have any children) who talks about family values.

Here's a man who talked about the evils of drug abuse who is an admitted addict.....of course with him it's different from everyone else!

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Duh, I guess I got that one mixed up. He did, however, tell one African American caller to "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back". Other famous racist Rush quotes:

"I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

[Drake]

FYI: I'm no fan of Rush, or even the republican party. I just remembered the Don Imus fiasco when it happened.

[BoulderDawg]

Duh, I guess I got that one mixed up. He did, however, tell one African American caller to "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back". Other famous racist Rush quotes:

"I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Wow! Just wow! Since I don't listen to the man at all I had no idea he was that racist:

"Take the bone out of your nose"

"Slavery has it's merits"

I guess since his radio show makes so much money he's allowed to say such things. Most people would have been thrown off the air.

[Drake]

Rush is a shock jock, nothing more.

[Kansuke]

I'm sorry but any black man who is a staunch Republican can only be considered a Tom to one degree or another.




You're a racist ****.

[Lokhopkuen]

<BIGSNIP> "Barack the Magic Negro" or his "nappy-headed hos" <BIGSNIP/>


To say Barack the Magic Negro" and "nappy-headed hos in the same sentence is so racist. LOL!

[1bad65]

Duh, I guess I got that one mixed up. He did, however, tell one African American caller to "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back". Other famous racist Rush quotes:

"I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

Can you back those assertions up?

As in dates, times, audio clips, video clips, etc.

[Lokhopkuen]

Yep! I knew someone who talked to my cousin who had brother who's friend worked with a friend who knew someone at the White House who had heard that Hilliary ate the donut!:D

It seems we may be knowing some of the same peoples who know some of the same peoples? This you may not KnoW. I came to America fleeing repression and driven by, for and too the donut!

True story.

[Lokhopkuen]

Can you back those assertions up?

As in dates, times, audio clips, video clips, etc.

If he can't I can. Even if i have to create them from scratch:p

[1bad65]

The term "Barack the Magic Negro" was first used by The Los Angeles Times on March 19th, 2007. Rush does use that term to demonstrate how ridiculous THAT PARTICULAR NEWS STORY was. Here are some excerpts from the LA Times story:

"But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro.""

"He's there to assuage white "guilt" (i.e., the minimal discomfort they feel) over the role of slavery and racial segregation in American history, while replacing stereotypes of a dangerous, highly sexualized black man with a benign figure for whom interracial sexual congress holds no interest."

"The only mud that momentarily stuck was criticism (white and black alike) concerning Obama's alleged "inauthenticty," as compared to such sterling examples of "genuine" blackness as Al Sharpton and Snoop Dogg. Speaking as an African American whose last name has led to his racial "credentials" being challenged — often several times a day — I know how pesky this sort of thing can be."

"Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

So, is the LA Times racist?

One more thing: If anyone can provide proof of Rush saying that term BEFORE March 19, 2007, I will publicly refute Rush and never listen to his show again.

[1bad65]

Michael Steele just found out what it's like for a black man to get out of line in the republican party. Yesterday he had the audicity to question Rush Limbaugh's comments. Of course today he was blasted by Limbaugh.

I just heard on TV that Steele is falling all over himself apologizing for those comments. Yep! I can see why Blacks want to be in the GOP!:rolleyes:

Rush has criticized plenty of other Republicans and Repulican leaders in the past. In your ignorance, you seem to think Mr Steele is the first Republican he has ever criticized.

[BoulderDawg]

Rush has criticized plenty of other Republicans and Repulican leaders in the past. In your ignorance, you seem to think Mr Steele is the first Republican he has ever criticized.

The point is: I don't care he he criticizes every conservative in the US.

The question is: What is Steele going to do about it?

If he's smart he'll call Limbaugh a fat bag of S. Of course he probably won't have a job in a month or so but at least he'll do what's right and maintained his diginty.

However my guess is he'll go to Limbaugh tomming all the way, "Massa Rush please forgive me!!!!!"

[1bad65]

If he's smart he'll call Limbaugh a fat bag of S. Of course he probably won't have a job in a month or so but at least he'll do what's right and maintained his diginty.

If he's smart? :confused:

Are you this disconnected from reality? The guy has millions of listeners. Just last week he gave a speech that had the crowd on their feet. He is really helping pull together a Party who has been beaten badly in the last 2 national elections.

The Party nominated a 'moderate' last election, and lost bad. Now we have a conservative awakening the base and calling for the Party to change. What kind of idiot would attack a guy on your side trying to win?

[1bad65]

It must be concluded by this point that Boulderdawg is a blatant racist.

It's true. 1Bad was discussing politics, and the BD goes off saying all black republicans are simply yes-men. I mean, WTF?

And he defends himself by saying that 1Bad is a racist by calling Hillary a lesbian? WTF 2X!?!!?! Because 1Bad disagrees with Obama's policies?!??!! WTF?!?!!? Last I checked, 1Bad is simply stating his opinion on things. He's conservative, which isn't exactly the most popular party right now. However, BD is WAY out of line. If you don't like what 1Bad is saying, either put him on ignore or argue with him like an adult, with facts and civility.

I don't agree with all of what 1Bad has to say, but he seems to be the most civil and calm person here.

Thanks guys.

[BoulderDawg]

What kind of idiot would attack a guy on your side trying to win?

The kind that realizes that a man who has so much power that he can tell a black caller to his radio show to "take the bone out of his nose and call him back" and get away with it is a man that should not represent your party.

I'm not a member of the democratic party. However Michael Moore is. It would never come to the point where Mike Moore (Or any entertainer for that matter) controlled democratic American politics as much as Limbaugh controls the GOP.

However, if you people want Limpy as your leader then knock yourself out. Because as wildly popular as he is there are many more voters who he repluses.

[BoulderDawg]

The point is: I don't care he he criticizes every conservative in the US.

The question is: What is Steele going to do about it?

If he's smart he'll call Limbaugh a fat bag of S. Of course he probably won't have a job in a month or so but at least he'll do what's right and maintained his diginty.

However my guess is he'll go to Limbaugh tomming all the way, "Massa Rush please forgive me!!!!!"

Well it looks right now we know exactly who runs the GOP. Steele did issue an apology to Limpy and spoke about how much he respected him....:D

Who knows maybe he'll even get to shine Limpy's shoes as pennance.

Personally I find this replusive and disgusting. I'm just wondering if there is anyone, any leader at all in that party who will stand up and say what needs to be said, "Limbaugh does NOT speak for the GOP".......I'm guessing no.

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
The term "Barack the Magic Negro" was first used by The Los Angeles Times on March 19th, 2007. Rush does use that term to demonstrate how ridiculous THAT PARTICULAR NEWS STORY was. Here are some excerpts from the LA Times story:
Wait a minute, so you're saying that Rush thinks the whole concept is ridiculous? Is that why he aired the song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Bao4VUQmI
It's so upsetting for me to see how conservatives will take certain facts and say, "oh, everyone's taking this out of context!" This clip is interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n76Wz5vNwcA&feature=related
I just don't get it, Ron is more ignorant and 'white' than some of the dumbest, most ignorant, white, racist fools I've ever known. Guys like him actually exist? That was many Republican's arguments about the New York Post comic by the way: "Barack didn't write the stimulus bill! Congress did! There's no connection." Ya, sure there's not, anyone who thinks so must be taking crazy pills.
If he's smart?

Are you this disconnected from reality? The guy has millions of listeners. Just last week he gave a speech that had the crowd on their feet. He is really helping pull together a Party who has been beaten badly in the last 2 national elections.

The Party nominated a 'moderate' last election, and lost bad. Now we have a conservative awakening the base and calling for the Party to change. What kind of idiot would attack a guy on your side trying to win?
So you're a big fan I see. Maybe you could tell me, in what direction is Rush trying to steer the Republican Party, towards full-fledged Nazism?

[1bad65]

Maybe you could tell me, in what direction is Rush trying to steer the Republican Party, towards full-fledged Nazism?

Quite the opposite. Rush wants LESS government, and more individual freedoms. Nazism/Fascism is BIG government, and less individual freedoms.

Oddly enough, Obama's grabs for more executive power are quite similar to what dictators (like Hitler) have done to gain total control.

[Exadon]

Quite the opposite. Rush wants LESS government, and more individual freedoms. Nazism/Fascism is BIG government, and less individual freedoms.
Rush is insane, do you ignore the quotes posted above that came from his mouth?

[1bad65]

Wait a minute, so you're saying that Rush thinks the whole concept is ridiculous?

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. Rush thinks the LA Times article is ridiculous, not some concept.

Quick question: How many of you attacking Rush Limbaugh actually listen to his show?

[1bad65]

Rush is insane, do you ignore the quotes posted above that came from his mouth?

Yes I do. Even Wikipedia admits several have never been sourced.

For example, these two are completely false:

I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

Those were first mentioned in the 2006 book "101 People who are REALLY Screwing Up America" by Jack Huberman. Mr Huberman did not provide the air dates (or audio) for these alleged quotes, and to date no one else has either.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

[Exadon]

Quick question: How many of you attacking Rush Limbaugh actually listen to his show?

When I was younger I did. My parents always had him on when we would go on car trips.

I don't listen to him anymore.

[Drake]

No, that's not at all what I'm saying. Rush thinks the LA Times article is ridiculous, not some concept.

Quick question: How many of you attacking Rush Limbaugh actually listen to his show?

I don't like him. I hate shock jocks.

[Mas Judt]

So you're a big fan I see. Maybe you could tell me, in what direction is Rush trying to steer the Republican Party, towards full-fledged Nazism?

What fascinates me is the ignorance of people. Nazism and Fascism BOTH claim their roots in the American 'Progressive Movement.' The accusation that Republicans are 'Nazi's' is just silly and woefully ignorant of history. However some are as bad as Democrats, which is pretty insulting since historically, the Democrats supported slavery, opposed civil rights, endorsed eugenics, supported totalitarian regimes that slaughtered millions, and often engaged in treason. (Like Ted Kennedy seeking help from the Soviets against Reagan.)

While Republicans generally* stand for liberty and freedom. *Gasp* how horrible.

*Of course with the monolithic power structures we have, there ARE exceptions. However NOTHING on the scale of horrors the Democrats have offered up over the past 100 years or so. Don't believe? research Woodrow Wilson. Look at who LBJ sought support from in the civil rights battle. And on and on...

[sanjuro_ronin]

I don't care much for Rush and what I have heard him say in the past, I haven't heard him for sometime now.
He does say what many people feel, I'll give him that.

[1bad65]

When I was younger I did. My parents always had him on when we would go on car trips.

I don't listen to him anymore.

So how many of those alleged quotes did you hear with your own ears?

Since you haven't in some time, your knowledge of the 'facts' about the 'Magic Negro' stuff is entirely secondhand. Yet you are arguing with me, a guy who listens to the show quite regularly. Do you see where I'm going?

[Exadon]

So how many of those alleged quotes did you hear with your own ears?

Since you haven't in some time, your knowledge of the 'facts' about the 'Magic ?

The first thing I saw when looking at the wiki was

Take that bone out of your nose and call me back

It may not be true about what the other post had said, but I would not put it past him.

I Just don't care for him.

[Eric Olson]

I think the important thing to remember here is in that long laundry list of projects (Pulled off of someone's Neo blog) I would bet, although I don't have the inclination to actually add it up, that all those programs adds up to less than the cost of 2 months in Iraq. If Obama can get us the hell out there will be plenty for money for those programs.

Notice that for Neos dumping money into the Iraq black hole is okay but funding summer jobs for kids is not......

According to the NeoCon philosophy there is no such thing as spending too much on making your military-industrial buddies rich....er....I mean...."national security."

[Drake]

We're not leaving Iraq. Remember when Clinton said we were leaving Kosovo? We're STILL THERE. And don't bother showing me the numbers, because it doesn't mean anything when you are the guy who has to be away from your family for a year.

Facts are facts. Withdrawl after combat in today's world is a long, drawn out process, and expect to be in Iraq for a loooong time. Nothing to do with politics, but that's just how warfare works. It just bugs me when people make ridiculous promises.

[1bad65]

According to the NeoCon philosophy there is no such thing as spending too much on making your military-industrial buddies rich....er....I mean...."national security."

Look what happens when you cut it. The failed Iranian hostage rescue, stolen nuclear secrets, terrorsim increases in the '90s, 9/11, etc.

You want to go back further? Try 1941. After years of defense cuts, Japan sensed weakness and felt they could achieve victory with one bold attack, Pearl Harbor.

Weakness is always taken advantage of by those who mean to do you harm.

[1bad65]

Notice that for Neos dumping money into the Iraq black hole is okay but funding summer jobs for kids is not......

Is Obama a 'Neo' now? :rolleyes:

[Drake]

It really bugs me that Rush wants to see Pres. Obama fail... you ALWAYS hope a president succeeds, regardless of party. Because it's OUR asses if he fails.

[1bad65]

It really bugs me that Rush wants to see Pres. Obama fail... you ALWAYS hope a president succeeds, regardless of party. Because it's OUR asses if he fails.

Actually what Rush said is he wants Obama to fail in enecting his policies. Rush feels those policies are bad for the country.

He uses this analogy; How many of you would have liked Bernie Madoff to have failed?

[Exadon]

Actually what Rush said is he wants Obama to fail in enecting his policies. Rush feels those policies are bad for the country.

Then would it not be better for Rush (anyone) to wish (and try) to make Obama change his policies to ones that they feel are better...rather than having our country fail for 4 more Years?

(not that I agree with rush...clearly)

[1bad65]

Then would it not be better for Rush (anyone) to wish (and try) to make Obama change his policies to ones that they feel are better...rather than having our country fail for 4 more Years?

Obama has been a socialist all his adult life, he's not going to change now.

[Exadon]

Obama has been a socialist all his adult life, he's not going to change now.

In your opninon.

Anyway, we will see what happens.

[1bad65]

In your opninon.

It came straight from his own mouth.

"Spreading the wealth around" is Socialism 101.

[Baqualin]

Here's something for you guys to chew on:)

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

[1bad65]

Here's something for you guys to chew on:)

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

Suddenly all those people who were worried he might be a Muslim or be a Muslim sympathiser don't look so crazy now.

And Hillary has always been anti-Israel and pro-terrorists. Look how she treated the Arafats.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here's something for you guys to chew on:)

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

How do they know they have ties to Hamas ?

[SimonM]

Well it does have to do with providing help for palestinians.

And so they just assumed.

[BoulderDawg]

Here's something for you guys to chew on:)

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

I just read that link and I don't see anywhere about allowing "hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States".

You're as bad as Bad!:D You found some Neo Blog somewhere that said that didn't you?

Now watch, Bad is going to come on here and say that I think the Federal Register is a Neo Blog! :D If you can find where the FR states thats hundreds of thousands of Hamas is coming to the US then I'll agree with that!:eek:

[BoulderDawg]

Here's what Steele said:

"There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership," Steele said. He added, "There are those out there who want to look at what he's saying as incendiary and divisive and ugly. That's what I was trying to say. It didn't come out that way."

:D

I just feel bad for Steele's family and friends.

[Drake]

Hamas is more than a bunch of guys firing rockets, and they are deeply rooted in the Gaza culture. They cannot and would not be as successful as they have without overwhelming support from the community. Hamas also has a political edge as well, and they do a lot for their communities. In return, they get passive and sometimes active support. You cannot possibly pump money into Gaza without at least some of it going to Hamas. That's an impossibility.

[SimonM]

Then perhaps it's time for the USA to accept that Hamas is a legitimately formed, democratically elected, government.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hamas is more than a bunch of guys firing rockets, and they are deeply rooted in the Gaza culture. They cannot and would not be as successful as they have without overwhelming support from the community. Hamas also has a political edge as well, and they do a lot for their communities. In return, they get passive and sometimes active support. You cannot possibly pump money into Gaza without at least some of it going to Hamas. That's an impossibility.

That is a given, however, what was written was:
The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
I would like to know WHO these people with ties to Hamas are.
Notice he didn't sat POSSIBLE ties or even LIKELY ties.

[Drake]

Then perhaps it's time for the USA to accept that Hamas is a legitimately formed, democratically elected, government.

That launches terrorist attacks against/directed at/targeting innocent people. Fair enough. And last I checked, it was more of a coup than an election.

Funny how the same folks that are all about human rights and individual freedoms support organizations which do everything they can to destroy them.

[SimonM]

Hamas is much more effective as a government than they are as a "terrorist" organization. For example... those rocket attacks that completely failed to kill anybody and for which Israel responded with a massacre in Gaza where they used white phosphor incendiary weapons on school children!

I don't care if OBL was sitting in the school having tea with Adolph Hitler and Satan nothing justifies using incendiary weapons on school children!!!!

Besides which... I don't see how they are much different than the pre-negotiation IRA and since I was pro-IRA I can't in good faith attack Hamas for trying to get their homes back from an aggressive occupier like Israel.

[Drake]

You mean the schoolchildren that Hamas was using as human shields? And last I checked, Israel was using WP for signalling, not intentionally using on schoolchildren. Don't know who tells you that.

And the rockets did kill a few people, and that was attributed to crappy equipment. What, you think Hamas fired off those rockets saying "Geez, I hope these don't hit a Jewish school playground during lunch!"? Are you THAT naive? Hamas wants Israel destroyed, which is an impossible goal, and will only result in bloodshed. And considering Israels' capabilities, they have shown GREAT restraint.

[SimonM]

i don't care if obl was sitting in the school having tea with adolph hitler and satan nothing justifies using incendiary weapons on school children!!!!


like i just fvcking said!!!!!

[1bad65]

Then perhaps it's time for the USA to accept that Hamas is a legitimately formed, democratically elected, government.

So were the Nazis.

Should we have just accepted them?

[1bad65]

That launches terrorist attacks against/directed at/targeting innocent people. Fair enough.

You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Funny how the same folks that are all about human rights and individual freedoms support organizations which do everything they can to destroy them.

Par for the course. The USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, etc. The Democrats never met a communist dictator they didn't like.

[uki]

thanks to obama we now have access to some interesting documents... here's an interesting one... http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/documents/memomilitaryforcecombatus10232001.pdf

pretty sneaky eh?

[SimonM]

Uki if you provided documented evidence of malfeasance for most of your arguments that was even half as good as that you'd be much more successful at winning me over to your side of arguments.

Good find.

[Drake]

We did something similar during the Civil War. Lincoln even suspended Habeaus Corpus, yet there isn't any outrage over that.

[uki]

We did something similar during the Civil War. Lincoln even suspended Habeaus Corpus, yet there isn't any outrage over that.times are different now... oh... and lincoln was shot though.

[sanjuro_ronin]

So were the Nazis.

Should we have just accepted them?

As a government, I think the german nationalist party was accepted, no?

[Baqualin]

I just read that link and I don't see anywhere about allowing "hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States".

You're as bad as Bad!:D You found some Neo Blog somewhere that said that didn't you?

Now watch, Bad is going to come on here and say that I think the Federal Register is a Neo Blog! :D If you can find where the FR states thats hundreds of thousands of Hamas is coming to the US then I'll agree with that!:eek:

All I said here's something for you guys to chew on....gave no opinion what so ever....you don't know anything about me...I haven't researched sh!t about this....want to know more find out...I received it as an email from a business assoc. who is a Repub. I'm an independent....I figured it would give you guys something to **** about and it looks like I was successful. Here's something else....there's no such thing as Palestinian ethnicity.
Have fun and I will sit back and learn ( this thread is good for that).
Best BQ:D

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
Actually what Rush said is he wants Obama to fail in enecting his policies. Rush feels those policies are bad for the country.

He uses this analogy; How many of you would have liked Bernie Madoff to have failed?How is that not different from wanting the president and his administration to fail. See, once again, mincing words to make it seem like, "oh, that's not necessarily what he meant at all", when it is. You know what else was bad for the country? Throwing us into a $12 billion-a-month war. And if you think we're safer than ever before, somebody should shake you.
Originally Posted by 1bad65
Suddenly all those people who were worried he might be a Muslim or be a Muslim sympathiser don't look so crazy now.

And Hillary has always been anti-Israel and pro-terrorists. Look how she treated the Arafats.
LOL! Are you serious!? Now that is some looney toons conspiracy thinking right there. The thing I don't think you understand is that no American president just "slips in". There's a whole establishment that wouldn't allow a "terrorist" to actually become president. The Democrats would, I suppose? They hate America that much, right? By the way, it sounds like you hate Muslims or something. What would be wrong with being a "Muslim sympathiser"? Is it because they're "infidels"? Should we, like Anne Coulter said, kill all of their leaders and convert them to Christianity?

[1bad65]

How is that not different from wanting the president and his administration to fail.

If you can't see the difference, I can't help you see it. You're either able to understand that concept, or you are not able to understand that concept.

See, once again, mincing words to make it seem like, "oh, that's not necessarily what he meant at all", when it is.

It's not me mincing words at all. Rush was misquoted. Me explaining what he actually said is not mincing words.

And if you think we're safer than ever before, somebody should shake you.

We're alot safer than before 9/11. Only a fool wouldn't see that.

What's it been now, over 7 years and NO MORE attacks. I'd say we're safer.

Should we, like Anne Coulter said, kill all of their leaders and convert them to Christianity?

Well since we have been killing them, we've had a reduction in terrorism over here. So keep killing them. It makes perfect sense.

In case you missed it, THEY are the ones calling for the destruction of the US and Israel. They are the ones beheading people. They are the ones who kill rape victims. They are the ones who grant women no rights. Do you truly think they are the good guys? :eek:

[1bad65]

By the way, it sounds like you hate Muslims or something.

Well they do call for the death of the Jews. Gee, I wonder why a guy like me who lost ancestors during the Holocaust would not like them too much.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well they do call for the death of the Jews. Gee, I wonder why a guy like me who lost ancestors during the Holocaust would not like them too much.

Generalizations are never any good.
I don't care for extremists from ANYWHERE or belonging to ANY organized religion, yet to to say I hate them ALL, well that is the kind of thinking that leads to messes like Jihads and Holocausts and Attempted genocides.

[Exadon]

In case you missed it, THEY are the ones calling for the destruction of the US and Israel. They are the ones beheading people. They are the ones who kill rape victims. They are the ones who grant women no rights. Do you truly think they are the good guys? :eek:

Yes...let us kill them all. Clearly they do not think like us. Clearly Christians never rape...murder...or cause war. Oh wait...

EDIT: on a real note I have met many islamic people who I can easly say are my friends. Some came over as aupairs, and others with a work visa.

Extremist for any religion is not a safe thing.

[Exadon]

Generalizations are never any good.
I don't care for extremists from ANYWHERE or belonging to ANY organized religion, yet to to say I hate them ALL, well that is the kind of thinking that leads to messes like Jihads and Holocausts and Attempted genocides.

Quoted for truth

[1bad65]

Generalizations are never any good.
I don't care for extremists from ANYWHERE or belonging to ANY organized religion, yet to to say I hate them ALL, well that is the kind of thinking that leads to messes like Jihads and Holocausts and Attempted genocides.

If I came off as generalizing, it was my mistake.

The discussion was on Hamas and the Palestinian/Muslim leaders, who do call for the destruction of the US and Israel and the killing of the Jews.

I should have clarified my remarks.

[1bad65]

Yes...let us kill them all. Clearly they do not think like us. Clearly Christians never rape...murder...or cause war. Oh wait...

The Crusades were hundreds of years ago.

Radical Muslims are currently doing all of those things I mentioned.

That's a big difference.

[sanjuro_ronin]

If I came off as generalizing, it was my mistake.

The discussion was on Hamas and the Palestinian/Muslim leaders, who do call for the destruction of the US and Israel and the killing of the Jews.

I should have clarified my remarks.

Well said.
Anyone calling for the destruction of any group is just consumed with hate and rage that they don't deserve anyone to listen to them.
Sad part is that there are so many willing to listen.

[Exadon]

The Crusades were hundreds of years ago.

Radical Muslims are currently doing all of those things I mentioned.

That's a big difference.
Today Christians murder, rape, and kill each other everyday.

In Baltimore city (where I live) people are shot down all the time. Religious leaders not so long ago were found to be raping little boys

let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Anyway you posted above that you did not mean to generalize so that is good. My comments have no merit if you did not mean to generalize.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Today Christians murder, rape, and kill each other everyday.

In Baltimore city (where I live) people are shot down all the time. Religious leaders not so long ago were found to be raping little boys

let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Anyway you posted above that you did not mean to generalize so that is good. My comments have no merit if you did not mean to generalize.

Religion has very little to do with the acts that people commit.
There are horrible people in every religion, just as there are very good people.

[Baqualin]

Today Christians murder, rape, and kill each other everyday.

In Baltimore city (where I live) people are shot down all the time. Religious leaders not so long ago were found to be raping little boys

let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

Anyway you posted above that you did not mean to generalize so that is good. My comments have no merit if you did not mean to generalize.

Great attitudes today.:)
BQ

[Exadon]

Religion has very little to do with the acts that people commit.
There are horrible people in every religion, just as there are very good people.

I guess I should have made that point clear. but yes I agree. There are horrible people in every religion.

[Baqualin]

Religion has very little to do with the acts that people commit.
There are horrible people in every religion, just as there are very good people.

I agree!! the problem is not religions or race......it's people in general....some good among all...some bad....Yin Yang world we live in.

[BoulderDawg]

All I said here's something for you guys to chew on....gave no opinion what so ever....you don't know anything about me...I haven't researched sh!t about this....want to know more find out...I received it as an email from a business assoc. who is a Repub. I'm an independent....I figured it would give you guys something to **** about and it looks like I was successful. Here's something else....there's no such thing as Palestinian ethnicity.
Have fun and I will sit back and learn ( this thread is good for that).
Best BQ:D

I take responsibility for what I post. Especially if it's something of that nature.

Are you in the habit of just putting something up under your name that you don't have a clue if it's true or not?

The only thing this post is "good for" is to play on the fears of the average American.

[Kansuke]

I take responsibility for what I post. Especially if it's something of that nature.

Are you in the habit of just putting something up under your name that you don't have a clue if it's true or not?



Like YOU did on that thread about the police? ****ing hypocrite.

[1bad65]

Today Christians murder, rape, and kill each other everyday.

In Baltimore city (where I live) people are shot down all the time.

But are the Christian religious leaders calling for the murders and rapes?

Anyway you posted above that you did not mean to generalize so that is good. My comments have no merit if you did not mean to generalize.

Thank you. Again, I should have been more clear in my post.

[1bad65]

Religion has very little to do with the acts that people commit.
There are horrible people in every religion, just as there are very good people.

The radical Muslims are different.

Watch the beheading videos. Notice before the act they say their religion calls for the beheading.

They say their religion calls for rape victims to be killed. They also say their religion dictates women cannot be educated or have basic human rights.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The radical Muslims are different.

Watch the beheading videos. Notice before the act they say their religion calls for the beheading.

They say their religion calls for rape victims to be killed. They also say their religion dictates women cannot be educated or have basic human rights.

Radicals is right.
Don't forget that "radical" christians called for the assassination of a democratically elected president - Chavez of venezuela.

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
If you can't see the difference, I can't help you see it. You're either able to understand that concept, or you are not able to understand that concept.

Once again, there is no difference. What else does a president really do besides make policy? And I know you probably want to smoke screen the question with stuff like, "He does so much more than that. He meets with diplomats, he holds press conferences, he blah, blah, blah, blah, blahs." His main agenda has to be getting us out of this great depression we're in right now. That's what is taking up most, if not all of his time. Anyone saying, "I hope he fails to enact his policies" is saying, "I hope he fails as a president." You debating this point is so ridiculous, and it shows how your reasoning fails throughout this whole thread.
Originally Posted by 1bad65
It's not me mincing words at all. Rush was misquoted. Me explaining what he actually said is not mincing words.
Really, how so? Here's the quote in audio (I wish I had a super air blaster horn for this one):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-OgbrCu_I
Originally Posted by 1bad65
In case you missed it, THEY are the ones calling for the destruction of the US and Israel. They are the ones beheading people. They are the ones who kill rape victims. They are the ones who grant women no rights. Do you truly think they are the good guys?
In case YOU missed it, because of the war, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed. WE are the ones bombing communities, raping women, torturing people, etc. Gee, I wonder why they hate us so much? It doesn't make any sense does it?
Originally Posted by 1bad65
Well they do call for the death of the Jews. Gee, I wonder why a guy like me who lost ancestors during the Holocaust would not like them too much.
Oh, so you're one of those. The thing you and many like you always fail to realize is that every effect has a cause. The Muslims didn't just wake up one day and go "POOF!! Now we hate all Jews!" Over half of the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled from Jerusalem, and Israel went on to basically conquer 77% of the territory of Palestine back in 1948. Before that Jews and Palestinians always lived in relative harmony there. And by the way, Arabs aren't white, blue eyed, Nazis!

[Exadon]

Radicals is right.
Don't forget that "radical" christians called for the assassination of a democratically elected president - Chavez of venezuela.

Yup, I was just about to make a post about the KKK and how it can be viewed as Christian terrorism. I would call that Radical Christians.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yup, I was just about to make a post about the KKK and how it can be viewed as Christian terrorism. I would call that Radical Christians.

All religions and nationalities have radicals and extremisits.
They do tend to be the very "vocal" minority, thank goodness.
Though at times it doesn't seem that way.

[Baqualin]

I take responsibility for what I post. Especially if it's something of that nature.

Are you in the habit of just putting something up under your name that you don't have a clue if it's true or not?

I had a clue....just figured it would be of interest to this thread....also by the time you guys were done I would know a lot more....I don't blow sh!t out my a$$ like some I know:p

The only thing this post is "good for" is to play on the fears of the average American.

Your saying this thread is read by average americans:rolleyes:

[BoulderDawg]

Your saying this thread is read by average americans:rolleyes:

It rather obvious what I'm saying......It not the post or the place where it appears. It's the message. The message that you left said that Obama was going to allow hundreds of thousands of brown skinned Arab terrorists in to the country. That's no different than the Klan's approach and stragedy to civil rights back during the day. They would release things like:

"Such and such Bill was signed today. This means that hundreds of Negros will be moving into your neighborhood and going to school with your kids."

It's the exact same thing.

[SimonM]

Radicals is right.
Don't forget that "radical" christians called for the assassination of a democratically elected president - Chavez of venezuela.

Hugo Chavez is so awesome. :D

[Baqualin]

It rather obvious what I'm saying......It not the post or the place where it appears. It's the message. The message that you left said that Obama was going to allow hundreds of thousands of brown skinned Arab terrorists in to the country.

Dude you got major issues...... where in the post did it say this:confused:


That's no different than the Klan's approach and stragedy to civil rights back during the day. They would release things like:

"Such and such Bill was signed today. This means that hundreds of Negros will be moving into your neighborhood and going to school with your kids."

It's the exact same thing.

shjegjgu;regur

[SimonM]

shjegjgu;regur

Say what? :confused:

[Baqualin]

Say what? :confused:

The bold part above...the other, I got a flag that my message was to short.

Oh, BD I didn't write the post.....that's why I provided the link so you could see for yourself....like you've been told in another thread....you need to dust the sand out of your panties:D another question, do you sleep at night?
BQ

[BoulderDawg]

Originally Posted by BoulderDawg
It rather obvious what I'm saying......It not the post or the place where it appears. It's the message. The message that you left said that Obama was going to allow hundreds of thousands of brown skinned Arab terrorists in to the country.

Dude you got major issues...... where in the post did it say this


I don't know....maybe it was this:

>>>>The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27<<<<


I'm sure your going to tell me that I took that out of context.:D


By the way: Why would I not sleep at night? You think I might be afraid of all the "Terrorists" coming into the country?

[1bad65]

I'm sure your going to tell me that I took that out of context.:D

You didn't take it out of context. You actually just added "thousands of brown skinned Arab terrorists" to his post.

Kansuke is right, you're a racist. Every issue that gets brought up, you always add racial overtones to it.

[1bad65]

Radicals is right.
Don't forget that "radical" christians called for the assassination of a democratically elected president - Chavez of venezuela.

Another difference is that some countries are currently being run by radical Muslims, Iran being the most notable one.

Can anyone name a country currently being run by radical Christians?

[BoulderDawg]

You didn't take it out of context. You actually just added "thousands of brown skinned Arab terrorists" to his post.

Kansuke is right, you're a racist. Every issue that gets brought up, you always add racial overtones to it.

Hey Bad.........What color skin does 99% of Arabs have?

By the way, I speak the plain unvarnished truth. It you don't think that race is a factor in things like this then you need to wake up.......What am I saying, You're a neo, of course you can't see this!:D

[1bad65]

Once again, there is no difference.

I'l try and explain. Let's see if it sinks in.

Say you and I are cooking food and a grease fire breaks out. You grab a bucket of water and say you are going to throw the water on the grease fire. I would want you to fail to throw the water on the grease fire. I would not want you to fail to find a way to successfully put the grease fire out.

Do you get it now?

Oh, so you're one of those. The thing you and many like you always fail to realize is that every effect has a cause. The Muslims didn't just wake up one day and go "POOF!! Now we hate all Jews!" Over half of the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled from Jerusalem, and Israel went on to basically conquer 77% of the territory of Palestine back in 1948.

Palestine was a supporter of the Nazis in WWII. FYI, WWII happened BEFORE 1948.

What do you mean by "one of those"?

Before that Jews and Palestinians always lived in relative harmony there.

Do what!?!?!?

[1bad65]

Hey Bad.........What color skin does 99% of Arabs have?

By the way, I speak the plain unvarnished truth. It you don't think that race is a factor in things like this then you need to wake up.......What am I saying, You're a neo, of course you can't see this!:D

You added the words. PERIOD.

You added them because you are a racist, and we can all see it.

[SimonM]

Hey Bad.........What color skin does 99% of Arabs have?


Kind of pale olive.

Basically the same skin colour as a lot of Greeks.

[1bad65]

Hey Bad.........What color skin does 99% of Arabs have?

The same skin color as Jews.

They descended from brothers, you know.

[BoulderDawg]

I'l try and explain. Let's see if it sinks in.

Say you and I are cooking food and a grease fire breaks out. You grab a bucket of water and say you are going to throw the water on the grease fire. I would want you to fail to throw the water on the grease fire. I would not want you to fail to find a way to successfully put the grease fire out.

Do you get it now?

So you are saying that Obama and his team of economic experts know as much about how to fix the economy as this guy knows how to put out a grease fire? And I guess they need good ol' Rush Limbaugh (Who barely graduated high school and funked every college course he took) to tell then how to fix it.

A better analogy would be a at a party a guest has a massive heart attack. A heart surgeon sees him collapse and goes to render aid. All of a sudden Joe the Plumber appears, pushes the heart surgeon aside and says "That guy doesn't know what he's doing. I'm here to handle this.":D

[1bad65]

So you are saying that Obama and his team of economic experts know as much about how to fix the economy as this guy knows how to put out a grease fire? And I guess they need good ol' Rush Limbaugh (Who barely graduated high school and funked every college course he took) to tell then how to fix it.

A better analogy would be a at a party a guest has a massive heart attack. A heart surgeon sees him collapse and goes to render aid. All of a sudden Joe the Plumber appears, pushes the heart surgeon aside and says "That guy doesn't know what he's doing. I'm here to handle this.":D

Once again showing your complete ignorance of history (and analogies ;)).

Rush has history on his side, and can point to success when his ideas (like less government and massive tax cuts) are implemented. Neither Obama, nor anyone on this board, can show ONE example of government social spending ending a recession.

Long story short, Rush's way has worked in the past. Obama's way has NEVER worked.

[SimonM]

A better analogy would be a at a party a guest has a massive heart attack. A heart surgeon sees him collapse and goes to render aid. All of a sudden Joe the Plumber appears, pushes the heart surgeon aside and says "That guy doesn't know what he's doing. I'm here to handle this.":D

ROTFLMFAO!

That was good BolderDawg.

But seriously what is it with this "Joe the Plumber" guy. The fascination of the USA with him perplexes us Canadians.

[BoulderDawg]

Rush has history on his side, and can point to success when his ideas (like less government and massive tax cuts) are implemented. Neither Obama, nor anyone on this board, can show ONE example of government social spending ending a recession.

:D:D:D

Limpy has never had an original idea in his entire life.

Why do you think he never appears in a debate format that he doesn't control? He couldn't defend that half-baked happy crappy he espouses if his life depended on it.

[BoulderDawg]

ROTFLMFAO!

That was good BolderDawg.

But seriously what is it with this "Joe the Plumber" guy. The fascination of the USA with him perplexes us Canadians.

Beats the hell out of me!:D All I know is that he stopped Obama at some political rally and started asking a bunch of off the wall questions that Obama didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about or how to answer them.

Next then you know the GOP has adopted this guy and turned him into Jimmy Stewart!

[1bad65]

Limpy has never had an original idea in his entire life.

I never said it was his original idea. Rush is smart enough to see what has worked and what has failed in the past. Obama could learn that from him. ;)

Toothpaste wasn't my original idea, but I'm smart enough to see that it works.

[1bad65]

Beats the hell out of me!:D All I know is that he stopped Obama at some political rally and started asking a bunch of off the wall questions that Obama didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about or how to answer them.

Like how would Obama's policies affect him as a small businessman? Wow, what an off the wall question. :rolleyes:

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
I'll try and explain. Let's see if it sinks in.

Say you and I are cooking food and a grease fire breaks out. You grab a bucket of water and say you are going to throw the water on the grease fire. I would want you to fail to throw the water on the grease fire. I would not want you to fail to find a way to successfully put the grease fire out.

Do you get it now?
God, it's like talking to a brick wall. You haven't addressed my point, that saying you hope the president's policies fail is THE SAME as saying I hope he and his administration fails. The success or failure of his whole administration hinges on him getting us out of this economic situation. Rush said, "I hope he fails". There's no misquote there. Are we living in fantasy land? Did body snatchers make him say that? It's funny how some conservatives project their own foibles on to others. Now you are taking the whole issue out of context. Rush obviously doesn't like Obama. He obviously wants our president to fail miserably. It's obviously not just his plan for getting us out of the economic meltdown, but everything he hopes to do. Aren't you getting it?
Originally Posted by 1bad65
Palestine was a supporter of the Nazis in WWII. FYI, WWII happened BEFORE 1948.

What do you mean by "one of those"?

Do what!?!?!?

Read your history bub. When, in the whole history of Jewish and Muslim relations, were there any significant holocausts involving Muslims killing Jews. Throughout most of their history they've lived in Muslim countries and were able to practice their religion and administer their internal affairs. Sure there were times when conditions were placed on them, but they lived in relative peace. During the Golden age of Jewish culture in the Iberian Peninsula, the Muslims lived in total harmony with them. During WWII the situation was complex. People generally didn't know the Germans were running concentration camps that were exterminating Jews. And the reason some Palestinians supported the Germans was because they didn't know who to support one way or the other. European powers had always exploited the region and cut it up like a pie anyway. Their support was not ideological, it was politically and economically motivated. And by "one of those" I mean one of those people who, for whatever reason, thinks Islam at it's core is anti-Semitic and anti-Christian. This is, really, an ignorant and uninformed position to take.

[1bad65]

God, it's like talking to a brick wall. You haven't addressed my point, that saying you hope the president's policies fail is THE SAME as saying I hope he and his administration fails.

If you think they are the exact same thing, your wrong. And I can't convince you otherwise. Everyone here can read what I typed and what you typed and make up their own minds. I'll leave it at that.

Read your history bub. When, in the whole history of Jewish and Muslim relations, were there any significant holocausts involving Muslims killing Jews.

Israel headed it off. It was called The Six Day War.

Throughout most of their history they've lived in Muslim countries and were able to practice their religion and administer their internal affairs. Sure there were times when conditions were placed on them, but they lived in relative peace.

Huh?

During WWII the situation was complex because nobody knew the Germans were running concentration camps.

That's completely incorrect.

And the reason some Palestinians supported the Germans was because they didn't know who to support one way or the other.

So, during the biggest conflict the world has ever seen, the Palestinians just happened to end up supporting the Nazis? :rolleyes:

How did they decide? Did they flip a coin? :rolleyes:

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
If you think they are the exact same thing, your wrong. And I can't convince you otherwise. Everyone here can read what I typed and what you typed and make up their own minds. I'll leave it at that.
No let's not leave it at that. If you are trying to say that Rush hopes Obama's economic policies fail and not every other action that he takes, then you are wrong because he obviously does and you're taking exact words and putting them out of context (even though he said, straight up, "I hope he fails").
Originally Posted by 1bad65
Israel headed it off. It was called The Six Day War.
Huh?
It never happened before, why would Muslims all of a sudden adopt ideologies similiar to the Nazis? Throughout over a thousand years of history there were never any significant wars or conflicts between Muslims and Jews. Muslims never tried to wipe them out. Quite the contrary, they were encouraged to develope new theories in mathmatics and science. They were, for the most part allowed to worship as they willed. The conditions I referred to were the times throughout history when certain Muslim countries tried to force them to convert to Islam. The Christians did the same thing, but in their case they usually ended up killing everybody on a massive scale.
Originally Posted by 1bad65
That's completely incorrect.
Oh is it? So how is it that most of the German people didn't even know the scale of the slaughter and the Palestinians did? Perhaps people knew there were camps, but they did not know they were killing millions. That's something nobody outside of Germany and Eastern Europe knew until the Allies invaded.
Originally Posted by 1bad65
So, during the biggest conflict the world has ever seen, the Palestinians just happened to end up supporting the Nazis?

How did they decide? Did they flip a coin?
In their eyes the English were really no better. After WWI they carved up the Middle East so they could exploit the resources and trade routes. Concentration camps and all of the other stuff the Nazis were doing was far removed from the average Palestinian's experience. And you're wrong anyway, when World War II was declared, Palestinian leaders announced their support for the Allies against the Axis powers, hoping that when the war was over, the British would leave them alone and they'd be free of Britain's immigration policies.

[BoulderDawg]

Like how would Obama's policies affect him as a small businessman? Wow, what an off the wall question. :rolleyes:

"I'm thinking of buying a business. You are going to tax me more, Right?"

How's Obama suspose to answer that without knowing about the business? I think he did the best job that he could.

However the honest to God truth was that a business that had a profit margin of 250K is hardly a small business. Also, I highly doubt that the local plumbing business he was talking about buying is making that much...and if it is, I highly doubt that Joe had access to the funds that would but it. A stable business with a customer base and margins of 250K annum is probably going to start at three mill and go up.

[1bad65]

Oh is it? So how is it that most of the German people didn't even know the scale of the slaughter and the Palestinians did? Perhaps people knew there were camps, but they did not know they were killing millions. That's something nobody outside of Germany and Eastern Europe knew until the Allies invaded.

The rest of your post is pointless to discuss, as we will never see eye to eye. But the above statement is flat-out wrong.

"Information regarding Auschwitz was available to the Allies during years 1940–1943 by accurate and frequent reports of Polish Army Captain Witold Pilecki. Pilecki was the only known person to volunteer to be imprisoned at Auschwitz concentration camp, spending 945 days at Auschwitz not only actively gathering evidence of genocide and supplying it to the British in London by Polish resistance movement but also organizing resistance structures at the camp.

He eventually escaped on April 27, 1943, but even his personal report of mass killings was dismissed as exaggeration by the Allies, as were his previous ones. This changed with receipt of the very detailed report of two prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler who escaped on April 7, 1944 which finally convinced most Allied leaders of the truth about Auschwitz in the middle of 1944.

Detailed air reconnaissance photographs of the camp were taken accidentally during 1944 by aircraft seeking to photograph nearby military-industrial targets, but no effort was made to analyze them. In fact, it was not until the 1970s that these photographs of Auschwitz were looked at carefully.

Starting with a plea from the Slovakian rabbi Weissmandl in May 1944, there was a growing campaign to persuade the Allies to bomb Auschwitz or the railway lines leading to it. At one point Winston Churchill ordered that such a plan be prepared, but he was told that bombing the camp would most likely kill prisoners without disrupting the killing operation, and that bombing the railway lines was not technically feasible. Later several nearby military targets were bombed. One bomb accidentally fell into the camp and killed some prisoners. The debate over what could have been done, or what should have been attempted even if success was unlikely, has continued heatedly ever since."

http://www.pilecki.ipn.gov.pl/portal/rp/867/7081/Rotmistrz_Witold_Pilecki.html

[1bad65]

"Despite President Obama’s promise that “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime,” his new budget raises 45 percent of its revenue from energy taxes that will be paid by everyone who fills a gas tank, pays an electric bill, or buys anything that was grown, shipped, or manufactured."

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/02/kerpen_obama_hoover/

[1bad65]

Obama's plan sure looks familiar. Not to FDR, or Lincoln, but Hoover! :eek:

"The composition of the tax hikes in the 2010 budget is frighteningly similar to the Revenue Act of 1932, the much-maligned Hoover tax hikes that put the “Great” in Great Depression by putting an enormous tax burden on millions of Americans, largely through excise taxes."

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/02/kerpen_obama_hoover/

http://foxforum.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/kerpen_chart1.jpg


No wonder he says it will get worse before it gets better!

[1bad65]

Speaking of wanting the economy to fail, lets see what **** Gephart (Democrat Speaker of the House) said in 2002:

"Every hundred-point drop in the stock market, we pick up another seat."

[Drake]

When a christian radical kills innocent people in the US (or Iraq), we send him to jail forever. I was in Germany when a few of the trials went on.

When a muslim radical kills someone, he is elevated to martyr status and heralded as a hero. They are glad Americans died, and were hoping more would.


Those who live in safety and security are often the least deserving of it. Lack of perspective and lack of a sensible worldview. You don't know how bad the enemy is because you've never seen them as a community, hang bodies in the street, never heard the horrific cries as they change to guttural sobs whilst their head is cut from their body. Never seen anyone stoned while the children celebrate.

CLUELESS. :mad:

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
The rest of your post is pointless to discuss, as we will never see eye to eye. But the above statement is flat-out wrong.
Yes, yes, ignore the facts and hard hitting questions. A very common strategy of Republicans in debate by the way. They just side-step the question and think, "well, everything's O.K. since I don't choose to answer or address the question." God, I can't count how many times people like Hannity and O'Reilly have done that.
The rest of your post, ironically, proves my point exactly. Even Allied Intelligence dismissed reports of mass killings as late as 1944. This was information only Allied leaders were privy to throughout most of the war. The average citizen, even in Germany, didn't really know what the hell was going on. If they had then Allied troops wouldn't have had to take them out to the camps to see the bodies after the fighting stopped. There's footage of German civilians shocked and dismayed by what they saw because they had no idea what was going on. So no, I'm not flat-out wrong. Once again, I said the average people didn't know what was going on, which was true, and you come up with secret intelligence information to prove that I'm "wrong".
Originally Posted by 1bad65
"Despite President Obama’s promise that “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime,” his new budget raises 45 percent of its revenue from energy taxes that will be paid by everyone who fills a gas tank, pays an electric bill, or buys anything that was grown, shipped, or manufactured."
Energy taxes have nothing to do with income taxes and payroll taxes!! He never said, in general, households making less than 250,000 a year would not have to pay taxes that everyone is expected to pay! And rich people should pay more this time! They got such a break under Bush and where did that get us? The money didn't trickle down to poorer families. No, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The middle class has been shrinking ever since. That's the real reason people like Rush and McCain hate Obama so much because he wants rich *******s like them to pay their fair share. Of course their still going to be stinking rich after paying those taxes. They're just complainers, the swine.
And Drake, what the hell are you talking about?! The people who do that sort of crap are extremists. The reason they can thrive is because their countries have been battered and smashed by poverty and conflict. They see us as the enemy because we've been invading their countries and killing their people for decades. We've also been influencing their lives by setting up proxy governments and starting wars that way. Saddam was our man. It's been well established that he worked for the CIA and we gave him weapons and support to attack Iran.

[Kansuke]

I take responsibility for what I post. Especially if it's something of that nature.

Are you in the habit of just putting something up under your name that you don't have a clue if it's true or not?


Like YOU did on that thread about the police? ****ing hypocrite.

[Siu Lum Fighter]

Originally Posted by 1bad65
Speaking of wanting the economy to fail, lets see what **** Gephart (Democrat Speaker of the House) said in 2002:

"Every hundred-point drop in the stock market, we pick up another seat."
Ya, because our current situation has nothing to do with the philosophy of deregulation under Reagan and Bush. If Reagan, the Republican hero, had gotten his way, he would have deregulated everything. This crisis we're in might have happened in the nineties. But no, it was finally Bush/Cheney who screwed us all for years. At this point, any conservative numbnut who still wants to blame the Democrats going all the way back to Jimmy Carter needs to seriously examine their skull cap. Once again another outrageous to the max claim by Republicans!! That the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 caused the current crisis!! I mean...I'm gonna short circuit!! The current crisis has so obviously been caused by the outright greed of speculators who had free reign under a Bush-led market and NOT poor people buying homes they could not afford! That doesn't matter though. There's always some sort of fact or piece of insignificant information that those corrupt Republican b@stards can dig up and blow up into an argument. Exaggeration, quoting things out of context, distorting the truth...these are things they've excelled at for years. Now things aren't going their way and STILL they come up with the most insane bull****!!!! Ya, Rush, let's hope the president fails miserably! At least maybe you'll go down too, you fat piece of lard!

[1bad65]

He never said, in general, households making less than 250,000 a year would not have to pay taxes that everyone is expected to pay!

Obama: “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”

Are their taxes going to INCREASE?

Yes or No?

[1bad65]

Don't take my word for it. Don't take SLF's word for it.

Let's see what Rush himself said:

"I want Obama to fail in being successful with his economic plan."

"Now, if Barack Obama all of a sudden came out and said, "You know what? I think we need to do something here in the midst of this recession. I'm going to resend my capital gains tax increase and I'm going to suspend capital gains. And, you know what, I think we can really improve the economic circumstance if I would cut the corporate tax rate in half, and maybe just suspend capital gains for three months. Maybe have a tax holiday on FICA, Social Security withholding."

Well, I tell you, I would become Barack Obama's biggest cheerleader in this country. If he actually proposed ideas to jump-start this economy, so there isn't any more economic pain and we can bottom out at some point and start building this back. But, folks, his plan doesn't do that. Government spending does not elevate the private sector."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030309/content/01125115.guest.html

[1bad65]

Energy taxes have nothing to do with income taxes and payroll taxes!!

Obama: “If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increase a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”

Did I miss the part where Obama said this promise only applied to income and/or payroll taxes?

[Eric Olson]

Hamas wants Israel destroyed, which is an impossible goal, and will only result in bloodshed. And considering Israels' capabilities, they have shown GREAT restraint.

You mean Israel hasn't used its nukes. But consider the fact that Zionists in Israel continue to build settlements outside of Israel's border in Palestinian territory. At various times the Israeli government has supported these actions.

What if Canadians decided they were going to start "settling" across our border.

Don't you think we'd be a bit ****ed off?

EO

[Drake]

You mean Israel hasn't used its nukes. But consider the fact that Zionists in Israel continue to build settlements outside of Israel's border in Palestinian territory. At various times the Israeli government has supported these actions.

What if Canadians decided they were going to start "settling" across our border.

Don't you think we'd be a bit ****ed off?

EO

Absolutely. I say we should start firing rockets indiscriminately at their population centers, beheading random people, and calling for the complete destruction of Canada and the death of all Canadians.

[Drake]

In all due fairness, cutting corporate taxes has been shown to have remarkable results. I do recall doing a fairly lengthy comparison between socialist nations and nations which tried improving their economy via reducing/eliminating corporate taxes. Fact is, if you make a place more enticing for a business, the business will come there, and with that, comes jobs.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Absolutely. I say we should start firing rockets indiscriminately at their population centers, beheading random people, and calling for the complete destruction of Canada and the death of all Canadians.

Hey !
Don't make me whip a beaver at you !

[1bad65]

In all due fairness, cutting corporate taxes has been shown to have remarkable results. I do recall doing a fairly lengthy comparison between socialist nations and nations which tried improving their economy via reducing/eliminating corporate taxes. Fact is, if you make a place more enticing for a business, the business will come there, and with that, comes jobs.

Bingo! And history has proven this correct, time and time again.

Notice Communist China has lower corporate taxes than we do. Where have alot of American jobs been going the last 10 years?

Oh yeah, now Obama wants to RAISE corporate taxes! Way to throw gas on the fire, idiot.

[Baqualin]

Bingo! And history has proven this correct, time and time again.

Notice Communist China has lower corporate taxes than we do. Where have alot of American jobs been going the last 10 years?

Oh yeah, now Obama wants to RAISE corporate taxes! Way to throw gas on the fire, idiot.



What about the cap & trade tax that's coming.....who do you think that will be passed on to.

[1bad65]

What about the cap & trade tax that's coming.....who do thing that will be passed on to.

ANOTHER tax that will hit 100% of us.

Remember, the liar promised that 95% of us would see no new taxes and a tax cut.

[1bad65]

Two more Obama supporters in the press are now having second thoughts.

Christopher Buckley:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-01/the-audacity-of-nope/full/

David Brooks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=3&ref=opinion

When members of the press turn on a Democrat for being too liberal, that speaks volumes.

[BoulderDawg]

I just saw on TV were the Brits have knighted Ted Kennedy. From now on his title is "Sir Edward". That has a nice ring to it!

[1bad65]

I just saw on TV were the Brits have knighted Ted Kennedy. From now on his title is "Sir Edward". That has a nice ring to it!

Maybe if you drown a girl, you can get an honorary knighthood yourself.

[BoulderDawg]

Two more Obama supporters in the press are now having second thoughts.

Christopher Buckley:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-01/the-audacity-of-nope/full/

David Brooks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=3&ref=opinion

When members of the press turn on a Democrat for being too liberal, that speaks volumes.

Good! You should reprint those articles and go out on a street corner and hand them out.

[BoulderDawg]

Maybe if you drown a girl, you can get an honorary knighthood yourself.


Well the man's going to die soon so you guys can throw a big party and feel good about yourselves.:D

[Kansuke]

I just saw on TV were the Brits have knighted Ted Kennedy. From now on his title is "Sir Edward". That has a nice ring to it!

They can have him. Maybe he'd be a better driver over there.

[1bad65]

Well the man's going to die soon so you guys can throw a big party and feel good about yourselves.:D

And when he dies he has to answer for Mary Jo Kopechne.

Karma caught up with him; I hear brain cancer is a painful way to die, much like being trapped in a submerged car.

[BoulderDawg]

And when he dies he has to answer for Mary Jo Kopechne.

Karma caught up with him; I hear brain cancer is a painful way to die, much like being trapped in a submerged car.


No doubt. I'm sure your NeoGod is punishing Sir Edward with brain cancer for his past life.

I'm wondering what NeoGod punish Reagan for. I would much rather go out with Brain cancer in my 70s/80s than to slowly lose my mind and get to where people have to change my diapers.

That's between you and your NeoGod though.

[sanjuro_ronin]

You guys do know that you will never convince each other of your opposing view points, right?

[1bad65]

No doubt. I'm sure your NeoGod is punishing Sir Edward with brain cancer for his past life.

I said "Karma". Learn to read.

[1bad65]

You guys do know that you will never convince each other of your opposing view points, right?

Likely not. But there is hope.

Like Rush says, personal experience can change people's viewpoints. Alot of people believed imbeciles like Al Gore on global warming. The record cold this last winter convinced alot of people that global warming is indeed a hoax, because they experienced it firsthand.

When Obama tries the same fixes Hoover did, and he fails, people who experience it firsthand will see he was wrong. Well, people with at least room-temperature IQs will.

[sanjuro_ronin]

No one is ever able to change other people politics or religion.
That has to come from a personal experience.
I don't have issues with people expressing their view points, namely educated ones, just don't take it personally.
Everyone is right and everyone is wrong when it comes to politics.

[BoulderDawg]

Like Rush says, personal experience can change people's viewpoints. Alot of people believed imbeciles like Al Gore on global warming. The record cold this last winter convinced alot of people that global warming is indeed a hoax, because they experienced it firsthand.


Huh? I assume you have statical back up for that statement.

By the way, Limpy caused me to smile today. He's just challenged Obama to a debate!:D I think the Prez should call his bluff. He should say "I'll debate you but you have to make the rounds of the various talks first and debate with them first....That would end it right there.

[BoulderDawg]

I just read more about this Limby challenge. It's not just "Let's debate". Limby has set ground rules. It has to be on his show and the president cannot have any notes or anything......:D Not gonna happen.

I would love to see them debate...in a neutral sitting with a moderator. But first, since no one has ever seen Limby in a fair debate he would have to do a few with other people just to show he's able to debate. I would love to see Limby on the Keith Olbermann show. Of course it would have to be fair. Olbermann would go on Limby's show and Limby would go on his show.

[Drake]

Global warming is indicated by unsual and severe weather patterns. You can't just go out and be like "IZ REELY COLD. GLOWBALL WARMIN IZ FAYK." In fact, the record temps are supportive of this, as agreed upon by most of the scientific community. We are affecting global weather patterns, and certainly not for the better. Also, it should be made aware that average temperatures are on the rise, not decline, and just because you got snow in your neck of the woods during July, it doesn't mean it's not happening...

Being a HUGE fan of empirical evidence, which liberals typically are not (and usually argue the case for global warming using all the wrong arguments), I have provided some statistics. You'll note that this isn't a wikipedia link, either.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt

Of particular note, look around the late 70s, early 80s, when the industrial era truly went global.

It should also be noted that we aren't really the wrost out there when it comes to carbon and other pollutant emissions. The developing nations must be reigned in.

This leads to the next problem. How do we tell them that they can't have what we have, because they showed up late to the industrial party?

[Drake]

Here's another link...

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

[Drake]

And to basically argue with myself, here's a possible explanation of this being perfectly normal, and this is a normal pattern in global weather...

http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/change.htm

[1bad65]

I just read more about this Limby challenge. It's not just "Let's debate". Limby has set ground rules. It has to be on his show and the president cannot have any notes or anything......:D Not gonna happen.

Without notes and tele-prompters, Obama couldn't give a speech to save his life.

[1bad65]

I love how when Nixon kept an 'enemies list', the press was mortified. Yet when Obama does it, they applaud him.

[BoulderDawg]

Without notes and tele-prompters, Obama couldn't give a speech to save his life.

Examples...

I've never seen anything from Obama other than confidence and the ability to express and explain himself at a moment's notice.

[BoulderDawg]

I love how when Nixon kept an 'enemies list', the press was mortified. Yet when Obama does it, they applaud him.

That's news to me. Link?