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[HardWork8]

So I guess this is 17 pages of the same ol' shiet? Is this what you'd call a HW8 quarantine or what?

...and here I thought we'd all gotten past all of this nonsense.


Vankuen,

Some people (principly Unkokusai) just don't want to forget me!:D

[unkokusai]

Aw crap, Basement Boy figured out how to turn his computer on again. Someone must have helped him.

[HardWork8]

See what I mean, Van Kuen?:cool:

[Steeeve]

Thank Hardwork8

These "experts" can generally be seen all over the internet illuminating the naive with their kung fu "knowledge". You have been warned.

the illuminati are everywhere:D...:)

Steeve

Have a good day

[unkokusai]

Basement Boy gets another thread closed.

[HardWork8]

Basement Boy gets another thread closed.
Poor Drool Boy Unkokusai, you got the thread closed all by yourself.

You don't care how many threads end up being closed or ruined because of you, do you? Of course not!

You have deep contempt for kung fu and every time a thread is closed because of you, it gives you a sense of satisfaction.

I guess it is because you got your butt kicked and your face smashed good while you were in China. You are just lucky that it was the Chinese women who kicked your @ss. If they had sent a man then I believe that by now you would have been residing above the clouds in Retard Heaven.

In short, you entered the thread with nothing, gave nothing while you were there and in the end you left with nothing - EXCEPT A SORE BUTT!

And that is what happens everytime you mess with me. Don't you see the correlation? Unko messes with HW8, then Unko gets Sore Butt.

But don't worry, because you are in good company. All of your knucklehead friends including Sanjuro,cjurakpt,SoCoKung Fu,Anerlich and Ikfmdc are suffering from the same syndrom. Talk about beating multiple opponents.

Maybe you guys can get together and form Sore-Butts Anonymous? It will be great you can meet up once a week and complain discuss knucklehead MAs and gossip about how bad I beat you at your own game. Hey you can even have secret hand shakes and signs.

And while you and your Glorified Kickboxer friends are doing that then maybe the rest of us can discuss some REAL KUNG FU here in the forum.

Take care now and don't forget to take your medication and stop insulting yourself all the time (let me do it for you;)).

[Infrazael]

My tears can cure cancer too.

[HardWork8]

My tears can cure cancer too.
Give some of your tears to unkokusai, maybe they will cure him of his mental retardedness and his contempt for Traditional Chinese Martial Arts.;):)

[HardWork8]

By the way, Infrazael, I see that you practice Choy Li Fut. Can you please tell me if there is a lot of emphasis put into internal training at your school?

I know that there are internals in your style, but I am not sure how seriously the internal training concepts are followed in the West.

Thanks.:)

[unkokusai]

you got the thread closed all by yourself.



Who the hell do you think you're kidding, Basement Boy? You were begging to be put out of your misery for the last three + pages of that mess with your third grade silliness. :rolleyes:

[Infrazael]

Give some of your tears to unkokusai, maybe they will cure him of his mental retardedness and his contempt for Traditional Chinese Martial Arts.;):)

This thread aside I already have had a sh!tload of arguments with Unk that's completely unrelated to martial arts, if it makes you feel any better.

About internal, I haven't done all that much. "Internal" and "External" have very little meaning to me. It all balances out eventually. Principles of Yin and Yang are what I follow.

[unkokusai]

his contempt for Traditional Chinese Martial Arts.;):)



Ah, Basement Boy wants to play 'let's repeat' over and over again. :rolleyes:

My contempt is for clowns like you, Basement Boy. If anyone is showing contempt for CMA it's you, because it is exactly silly **** like yours that gives it a bad name.

[unkokusai]

This thread aside I already have had a sh!tload of arguments with Unk that's completely unrelated to martial arts.



'Spirited discussions' I'd say! :cool:

[Infrazael]

'Spirited discussions' I'd say! :cool:

Well if you want to put it that way.

I think it's best to lay those to rest and focus back on the subject of this forum . . . LOL.

[unkokusai]

I guess it is because you got your butt kicked and your face smashed good while you were in China. .



Actually, almost everyone was very generous and hospitable to me when I lived in China. A fine people and a fine country, with a rich and fascinating history as well as a vibrant and authentic living culture. I maintain many important friendships from those years.

Maybe you'll get the chance to go someday. Hopefully you'll be over your juvenile "I'm da realz! I'm da realz!" fetish by then, as it wouldn't suit you well.

Ah well, both prospects are probably unlikely.

[cjurakpt]

To cut a long story short, Mr Punch's question was addressed to me and not anyone else.
fair enough - on re-reading it, I realize that I did not pay attention to the paragraph preceding it, as my focus was caught by his description of the method of breathing that he does, and therefore interpreted the the phrase "how do you breath through your dantien as more of a general "how does one breathe through the dantien"; so, my mistake, I apologize;

So to say that it was a general question is a LIE!
incorrect; it was a mistake; but I think you like to be in a position to cry "liar", so you assume that reflexively

I see the same pattern again Mr Chris!
<sigh> please indicate specifically where I have "lied" before; I know you have some strange idea that I never had you on ignore, but until you provide some proof of that (e.g. - evidence that I responded to a post of yours that I supposedly could not have read), it doesn't really hold much water beyond "'cause HW8 says so"; otherwise, please indicate where this pattern is apparent;

As far as CFT is concerned, I personally took it to mean dantien breathings relevance to combat.
well, his question was this:
"cjurakpt, you've covered the bio-mechanical / physiological basis for lower dan tien breathing but can you expand on the "why"?
Is it really more than getting more oxygen into the lungs/blood?"

I suppose you could interpret it anyway you like, but the bit about O2 perfusion suggests that he was curious about other physiological effects;

However, even if it wasn't, I doubt that he wanted an explication of dantien breathing on the "cellular" level.
how do you know what he wanted / didn't want? I suppose we could PM him and ask if it was what he wanted...

And then SoCoKungFu, You could have PM-ed him your monologue.
theoretically you could do the same w/all of your posts; now, probably you will say that since your posts are relevant to the thread in point that you don't have to; of course, you tend to adhere to a fairly rigid definition of "on topic", which is certainly your prerogative - however, others may see things from a different perspective and consider relevance a bit more broadly;

You went over the top with your explanation. A simple combat related piece of one paragraph would have been fine.
again, this is your opinion, based on what I perceive to be a general degree of polemic on your part towards me based on your statements elsewhere that I am a "dubious character"; this suggests that you are prejudiced against what I write more for what you perceive my character to be than for what I write; well, aside from not having any evidence for me being "dubious" (w/the exception that you always fall back on about my participation in the "evil prank", which really holds no water at all), it's completely irrelevant - if you really think I am dubious, then don't a) introduce me to any of your female relatives / friends, b) purchase real estate from or get involved in business dealings with me or c) don't drink anything I give to you in a glass and tell you is lemonade...but it's no basis to discount what I write
now, you still may think what I write is irrelevant - again, that is a matter of apparently un-resolvable opinion; you may disagree with what I write based on content - but you have never attempted to refute it in that manner, so that doesn't appear to be the case; ultimately though, you come down to the conclusion that I write what I write because I am trying to cover up my lack of intelligence, or am dealing with massive insecurity; well, if the lack of intelligence part were true and that I was just faking it, then that would be easily discernable, because you would be able to drive a truck through the inevitable large holes in my posts because, believe it or not, it's kinda hard to fake anatomy / physiology :eek:; so, that brings us down to the whole insecurity bit: well, what can I say? yes, I am, at times, insecure - I do occasionally question myself, do get at times concerned about whether I made a correct decision, a good impression on someone etc. - and what? last time I checked, it was called being human; but it has nothing to do with my motivation for posting the way I do...
see, here's what it is: to describe complex organic properties isn't something all that easy to do, and believe it or not, I try to do it in a way most people will understand; for example, if you actually read what I wrote, you will notice that for every "technical" bit I write, I try to offer an analogy or reword it in a more "down to earth" way; also, you may notice that whenever anyone has asked me to clarify something they didn't understand, I try to do so; now, if the general response here on the part of people was negative, then obviously I wouldn't do it anymore; but, to date, most responses have been positive - except for yours and a few others who also appear to have personal issues w/me - so I chalk that up to a personality thing and pretty much ignore it
but anyway, i have an idea - why don't you set up an opinion poll asking about if people would prefer I not post about this stuff any more? if more than 1/3, no, let's say 1/4 say they don't like it, I promise that I will no longer do so; deal? (only caveat is that at least 20 people have to respond for it to be valid)

[cjurakpt]

I understand what you are saying, but what is your point
my "point" is to ultimately arrive at a consensus as to what people mean in regards to the mechanics of what they do in an area ("internal" practice) that is difficult to describe accurately

Do you always "misunderstand" when people try to help you expand your knowledge by teaching you things that you don't know?
if you ever provide some bit of info that I am not aware of, I will acknowledge it; I'm still waiting though...

I am suggesting that you may not know all that you think you know. Actually you don't!
this is an implausible statement: I know what I know based on direct experience and practice backed up by research and verification from my teacher and other senior classmates; consistent subjective reproducibility, objective outcomes and independent correlation seem to me more than reasonable means of verifying what one "knows"; this is how I have always operated; maybe what I write doesn't conform to your sensibilities of what constitutes "real" kung-fu, but that's simply your opinion based on your experience, which you seem to feel is representative of some sort of absolute criteria that should apply across the board;

I don't know if your sifu is good or bad or if he was good then wether he taught you all you needed to know. I am not talking about therapy but KUNG FU!
it seems that you are suggesting that you think my sifu has held back important information from me; is that the case?

Not really. My opinion of your training is based on your own comments regarding kung fu in other threads.
well, again, that's all well and good - however your opinion is just that, opinion; what you base it on is colored by your experiences which shape how you read opinions that differ from your belief system, which is based on a somewhat "absolutist" perspective of what TCMA is / should be

I have tried "reasoned" discussion with you before, at your request I might add. I seem to remember that you referred to it as being "civil". You know how long that lasted don't you.
yes: about as long as it took you to start interjecting snide and derisive remarks into the exchange (meaning not long at all)

I know that you are no real kung fu exponent and what little your sifu taught you doesn't include morals or humility.
LOL - that's not his job, and it has nothing to do with "real" TCMA; if you think it is, you are buying into a whole bag of bull built up around a desire on the part of the TCMA teaching community to make training more respectable and hence more palatable to genteel folk who could support their livelihood;

Well with that attitude of yours, I am not going to teach anything either.
well, considering I never asked, why would you even consider doing so?

d1ck waving monologue that chased away the posters
which posters specifically did it chase away?

Believe me there is, but you wouldn't understand it. People like you never understand chi kung or indeed kung fu fully and that is because to understand them, you have to have the ability to see the wood for the trees. And that skill I know that your sifu never taught you!
ah, the old "even if I told you, you wouldn't get it" bit; don't worry, I think I am pretty ok in the "big picture" department (never mind that you bungled the metaphor for it)

Again, another example of, "hey look, I know this and I know that, how about you".In our Wing Chun school our power issuance comes from breathing the way described before and "sinking", combined with relaxed body unity.
the question was asked in order to establish the level of your personal experience - if you have no experience of it, then talking about it with you as if you did would make very little sense; it is a question I have asked others here, and gotten a variety of different answers ranging from "no" to "yes" to "not sure, but here's what it feels like to me" - in all cases, an interesting and productive exchange ensued as a result; interestingly, you are the only one who couches it (and pretty much everything I state) in terms of "let me show you what I know for it's own sake"; that is an unfortunate choice on your part, as it kills the possibility for open discussion from the get go;

I wont go into the specifics of the exercises, as those are not discussed outside the school
of course not, that would be disastrous (ok, I am allowed one moment of sarcasm)...

but I suppose you can classify as "reverse", ie. breath out and expand.
well, ok then; was that so hard? incidentally, I agree (not that you would care, of course) that this is the "correct" approach - it seems to have a generalized effect on the way the body's connective tissue system functions, making it at the same time both more resistant to damage from blows but at the same time not rigid, even more springy / supple - this is what, I believe, the terms "pang" and "sung" refer to respectively, and matches that balanced sense of being rooted firmly below but light above the waist (your "relaxed body unity" is probably the same thing); I would also say that, in my personal experience, this particular phenomenon is unique to TCMA, and lends a general quality to fighting that I have found useful in certain situations

I have seen you being "civil" starting with your first post addressed to me through to the "famous" and ugly prank
when you come onto a forum displaying troll-like and holier-than-thou tendencies, don't be surprised by the type of reception you get; anyway, it has nothing to do with you per se, but when I came back on after a few months hiatus, I decided to make it a point to refrain from directing negativity towards anyone on here, and to simply not respond in kind to any directed at me; so, if you want to keep directing rancor at me just for the sake of whatever agenda it is that you have, that's obviously your prerogative - I will still post what I like, if people don't want to read it, they can put me on ignore, which, in fact, I strongly encourage you to do if you find my writing too pedantic, too irrelevant, or too long - that way, you will not have to suffer my monologues any further and will have no reason to wax on and on about them being annoying, posturing, etc., saving you both irritation and time posting about it; that seems to me the most reasonable course of action for you at this point;

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ignore is your friend.
I don't see why you guys bother, truly.

[lkfmdc]

Ignore is your friend.
I don't see why you guys bother, truly.

ditto

(if it wasn't for his pics, I'd ignore sanjuro as well :D )

[sanjuro_ronin]

ditto

(if it wasn't for his pics, I'd ignore sanjuro as well :D )

Yeah, that arrogant asswipe gets on my nerves !

[unkokusai]

Yeah, that arrogant asswipe gets on my nerves !


Asswipes really should be humble. You know, considering...

But if they cause nerve damage, discontinue use and see a doctor right away!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Asswipes really should be humble. You know, considering...

But if they cause nerve damage, discontinue use and see a doctor right away!

You're a fine one to speak, **** disturber !
Just put scrotum biter on ignore, that WC thread was perfectly good and you 2 had to go and turk it !
*shakes head*
Kids...

[HardWork8]

just to tie up some loose ends....
Lets leave your brain tissue out of the conversation, shall we?


[QUOTE=cjurakpt;889287]fair enough - on re-reading it, I realize that I did not pay attention to the paragraph preceding it, as my focus was caught by his description of the method of breathing that he does, and therefore interpreted the the phrase "how do you breath through your dantien as more of a general "how does one breathe through the dantien";

You are being untruthfull again! I know that your attention span is not the greatest on the planet, but you knew for sure who the question was addressed to.


so, my mistake,
Yes, another one.:rolleyes:

I apologize;
At last! One down and a dozen to go.:rolleyes:

incorrect; it was a mistake; but I think you like to be in a position to cry "liar", so you assume that reflexively
You lied and you know it!

<sigh> please indicate specifically where I have "lied"
I thought I just did. Oh, I almost forgot the prank that and the other knucklehead kickboxers Ikfmdc (who pretends to know "kung fu") and Sanjuro Ronin (also a liar). That was a disgusting piece of work and managed to offend a lot of people.

But, you are in denial of that one, so just bury your head in the sand and maybe people will forget.

before; I know you have some strange idea that I never had you on ignore, but until you provide some proof of that (e.g. - evidence that I responded to a post of yours that I supposedly could not have read), it doesn't really hold much water beyond "'cause HW8 says so"; otherwise, please indicate where this pattern is apparent;

Dear cjurakpt, it is called deductive and instinctive INTELLIGENCE! Not some chronic superficial, illusionary intelligence that people like you seem to suffer from.

well, his question was this:
"cjurakpt, you've covered the bio-mechanical / physiological basis for lower dan tien breathing but can you expand on the "why"?
Is it really more than getting more oxygen into the lungs/blood?"

I suppose you could interpret it anyway you like,
Correct! And as it was a kung fu thread I believe that my interpretation was correcter than yours!

but the bit about O2 perfusion suggests that he was curious about other physiological effects;
Suppose he was curious about a groin cramp, as well, what were you going to do write another "look I am intelligent" essay on the subject?


how do you know what he wanted / didn't want? I suppose we could PM him and ask if it was what he wanted...

You can if you want but you are missing the point. It is not a question of what he wanted but WHAT YOU WANTED!

And of course, you wanted to show off!


theoretically you could do the same w/all of your posts; now, probably you will say that since your posts are relevant to the thread in point that you don't have to; of course, you tend to adhere to a fairly rigid definition of "on topic", which is certainly your prerogative -
Again, you are missing the point. You'll find anything in a topic to make it relevant to your d1ck waving.


however, others may see things from a different perspective and consider relevance a bit more broadly;
Some of these "others" have turned the enchant art of Kung Fu into the art of the Birdbrain Knuckleheads. So don't always assume what "others" may or may not want to be a point of reference.


again, this is your opinion, based on what I perceive to be a general degree of polemic on your part towards me based on your statements elsewhere that I am a "dubious character"; this suggests that you are prejudiced against what I write more for what you perceive my character to be than for what I write; well, aside from not having any evidence for me being "dubious" (w/the exception that you always fall back on about my participation in the "evil prank", which really holds no water at all),
There you go being DUBIOUS AGAIN! You participated in a prank that attempted to show me as Satanist, Anti-semetic racist with a criminal record.

You even managed to offend some posters who believed this at the beginning of the charade. Then I exposed the prank and it fell around your ears.

Yet, none of the knucklehead Glorified Kickboxers - including your "good" self - who participated in it came forward and apologized. And now you are denying that you are a dubious character?? Not very intelligent, are you?


it's completely irrelevant -

IRRELEVANT? I see that your head is still buried where there is no intelligence "shining".

if you really think I am dubious, then don't a) introduce me to any of your female relatives / friends,
I wasn't anyway! Besides, I didn't think you were straight either.:confused:

b) purchase real estate from or get involved in business dealings with me or
Don't worry, I wasn't going to either.

c) don't drink anything I give to you in a glass and tell you is lemonade...
Right now, I wouldn't drink anything given to me from your hemisphere. You are just a bad embassador!

but it's no basis to discount what I write
now, you still may think what I write is irrelevant - again, that is a matter of apparently un-resolvable opinion; you may disagree with what I write based on content - but you have never attempted to refute it in that manner, so that doesn't appear to be the case; ultimately though, you come down to the conclusion that I write what I write because I am trying to cover up my lack of intelligence, or am dealing with massive insecurity; well, if the lack of intelligence part were true and that I was just faking it, then that would be easily discernable, because you would be able to drive a truck through the inevitable large holes in my posts because, believe it or not, it's kinda hard to fake anatomy / physiology :eek:; so, that brings us down to the whole insecurity bit: well, what can I say? yes, I am, at times, insecure - I do occasionally question myself, do get at times concerned about whether I made a correct decision, a good impression on someone etc. - and what? last time I checked, it was called being human; but it has nothing to do with my motivation for posting the way I do...

That is what you say.

see, here's what it is: to describe complex organic properties isn't something all that easy to do, and believe it or not, I try to do it in a way most people will understand; for example, if you actually read what I wrote, you will notice that for every "technical" bit I write, I try to offer an analogy or reword it in a more "down to earth" way;
You should seriously consider writing (hopefully relevant material) in a down to earth way to start with then you would not come across the way you do.

also, you may notice that whenever anyone has asked me to clarify something they didn't understand, I try to do so;
And thereby coming across even more "knowledgable". Yes, I have seen the trick before.:rolleyes:

now, if the general response here on the part of people was negative, then obviously I wouldn't do it anymore; but, to date, most responses have been positive -
For someone who is supposed to be therapist you sure seem to be a little naive about the human nature.

Do you think that most of these people understand what the he11 it is that you are talking about most of the time and its 'relevance' to what in their "mind" they see as "kung fu"????

Most people here are KNUCKLEHEADS! That is the "Kung fu truth of our times"!They just pretend to understand and be interested because like most of the human race they want to be in the (in this case "intellectual") in crowd.

I bet if you ask most of your "fans" over your previous literary "masterpieces", they would not remember a daamn thing. Get Real!

except for yours and a few others who also appear to have personal issues w/me -
Well, you can't help being just a lovable person or is it because you were rude to them in previous threads just like you were in your first ever post addressed to me?

so I chalk that up to a personality thing and pretty much ignore it
I see how you "ignore it"! You don't get tired of being contradictory do you? Or is it untruthfull?

Remember, the ignore button is your friend! Lol.


but anyway, i have an idea - why don't you set up an opinion poll asking about if people would prefer I not post about this stuff any more? if more than 1/3, no, let's say 1/4 say they don't like it, I promise that I will no longer do so; deal? (only caveat is that at least 20 people have to respond for it to be valid)

Because of what I stated previously an opinion poll would be irrelevant. Besides, opinion polls don't really make difference in politics where presidents are selected beforehand (not elected by the gullible masses) so why should they be any different now?

[HardWork8]

Just put scrotum biter on ignore, that WC thread was perfectly good and you 2 had to go and turk it !
*shakes head*
Kids...

Yeah, that arrogant asswipe gets on my nerves !

You have been very, dare I say, "anal" in your recent posts. Is there something that you are "crosstraining" in that we should all know about?

[1bad65]

HardWork8, did you ever answer these questions?

So answer the questions then HardWork8

1. Who is your sifu?

2. Why is there NO EVIDENCE of the claims you made RE them?

3. What is the other style you practice?

4. Why is there no footage of your "secret ground fighting"

5. Have you ever tested your "secret ground fighting" on people who actually know how to grapple?

Watch, he won't deal with these direct questions at all

What sort of person won't say who their teacher is or what they practice?

Who makes claims that their teacher is famous and has DOCUMENTED fights then refuses to back up the claim?

Easy answer, A TOTAL IDIOT

that total idiot's name is HardWork8

[sanjuro_ronin]

HardWork8, did you ever answer these questions?

Actually, I posted who he SAYS is his teacher and it was deleted by the mods, of course it doesn't change that the info is still archived and that its still available.
For what its worth, Sifu Liang Shen Long aka Andria Pivcevic, is a very cool guy from what I gather and knows his stuff.

[LoneTiger108]

For what its worth, Sifu Liang Shen Long aka Andria Pivcevic, is a very cool guy from what I gather and knows his stuff.

I can second that sanjuro. I met Andria Sifu only this year at his Seminar in London following Seni.

Connections to Jee Shim and obvious Shaolin overtones, sounding like HFY to be honest but I was assured that they are all a little different. His intro to Shaolin Quan was from Vietnam too I believe.

I can't speak for HW8, nor his relationship to Andria Sifu, but I do understand how belittling it feels to have everyone on your case as I too was welcomed to this forum by a heck of a lot of 'pointing fingers'!

You guys - 1bad65, unkokusai, cjurakpt AND HW8 have some issues I believe can not be helped by all the girlie bickering and insults.

Well, unless, you're either all one person playing marketing tricks, or maybe you're individuals who have agreed to be crap to eachother!

Either way, it IS boring and slightly embarrassing :o

[sanjuro_ronin]

I can second that sanjuro. I met Andria Sifu only this year at his Seminar in London following Seni.

Connections to Jee Shim and obvious Shaolin overtones, sounding like HFY to be honest but I was assured that they are all a little different. His intro to Shaolin Quan was from Vietnam too I believe.

I can't speak for HW8, nor his relationship to Andria Sifu, but I do understand how belittling it feels to have everyone on your case as I too was welcomed to this forum by a heck of a lot of 'pointing fingers'!

You guys - 1bad65, unkokusai, cjurakpt AND HW8 have some issues I believe can not be helped by all the girlie bickering and insults.

Well, unless, you're either all one person playing marketing tricks, or maybe you're individuals who have agreed to be crap to eachother!

Either way, it IS boring and slightly embarrassing :o

Yeah, I remember that you got a little bit of a rough ride, but it was in "good fun", as for HW8, well, he does it to himself.
People who accuse others of being frauds when those people not only have verifiable credintials but even are know by their actual names, and are not wiling to give their personal info, are asking to be called "out".

[HardWork8]

my "point" is to ultimately arrive at a consensus as to what people mean in regards to the mechanics of what they do in an area ("internal" practice) that is difficult to describe accurately

Look and you over-complicated something that is already very complicated and confusing for many newbies not to mention the "kung fu-ist" knuckleheads with "many" years of "experience".

You are happy typing along all your technical essays about complicated aspects of Kung fu but yet again I will tell you that most people reading are going to be knuckleheads, people who someone like you will not be able to bear in person for more than half an hour.

I mean imagine the scenario. You are visiting Ontario and decide to meet Sanjuro for a coffee (in a public place). What kind of conversation would you expect with someone like him.

Ok, I'll tell you what will happen. You will say hello, then buy your coffees and sit down. Then you will stare at each other for about 10 minutes not knowing what to say. Then Sanjuro will open his mouth and say something like,

" hey you know, I spent most of the last weekend hitting my head against the brick wall in my garage, duuuh! I think I am a tougher person for it now, because you never know, I could be minding my own business walking down the street and then a brick wall may fall on me and now I am prepared!!!!...."

If you dare to speak to him the way you write here in the forum, then don't be surprised if his head explodes all over your coffee.


if you ever provide some bit of info that I am not aware of, I will acknowledge it; I'm still waiting though...
And I stated before, you are not going to get any info from me with that attitude of yours.

this is an implausible statement: I know what I know based on direct experience and practice backed up by research and verification from my teacher and other senior classmates; consistent subjective reproducibility, objective outcomes and independent correlation seem to me more than reasonable means of verifying what one "knows"; this is how I have always operated; maybe what I write doesn't conform to your sensibilities of what constitutes "real" kung-fu, but that's simply your opinion based on your experience, which you seem to feel is representative of some sort of absolute criteria that should apply across the board;
Implausible statement? Because I stated that you don't know as much as you think you know. We must agree to disagree, I suppose.:rolleyes:


it seems that you are suggesting that you think my sifu has held back important information from me; is that the case?

Yes it is!
You are beginning to act like unko. What I have to repeat myself all the time now?

well, again, that's all well and good - however your opinion is just that, opinion; what you base it on is colored by your experiences which shape how you read opinions that differ from your belief system, which is based on a somewhat "absolutist" perspective of what TCMA is / should be
Well you just explained what most people's opinions are based on, as if no one knew. However, I am thanking you for keeping it shorter than 3 pages.

Again. My "opinion" is based on your own comments.


ryes: about as long as it took you to start interjecting snide and derisive remarks into the exchange (meaning not long at all)
There! another LIE!

Ok. Here is your first ever post addressed to me before you knew who I was OR before I knew who you were (boy, those were the days):

It is rude and condescending.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50479&page=10
Post number:141

Then followed an "exchange" where you got more than the fair dosage of your own medicine, until here where you requested me to be "civil".

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50479&page=12
Post number: 168

In my response in the post number 178 of the same link, I agreed to be civil.

Then your next post addressed to me was here where you apparently stopped being "civil" for no apparent reason:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50479&page=16
Post number: 236

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50479&page=17
Post number 251
Here I refer to your sudden loss of civility!

Not only that you took the side of one of your forum boyfriends, the brain damaged Unkokusai, and referred to me as a troll and threatened to have me banned. That is when your remaining credibility went down the toilet.

Meanwhile, I am fighting a "forum war" with the other Glorified Kickboxer losers who have somehow convinced some people here that they practice or know about kung fu, namely, SoCo Kung fu, Sanjuro_Ronin and the brain damaged Unkokusai. All of whom are your forum friends.

The links provided also reconfirm all the lies and falsehoods spouted out by SoCoKung fu and Sanjuro regarding my person.

LOL - that's not his job, and it has nothing to do with "real" TCMA; if you think it is, you are buying into a whole bag of bull built up around a desire on the part of the TCMA teaching community to make training more respectable and hence more palatable to genteel folk who could support their livelihood;
Your assumptions show how little you know about TCMAs, but don't worry, as you are in good company.


well, considering I never asked, why would you even consider doing so?
Maybe I was "considering" to be charitable.

which posters specifically did it chase away?
I don't know. They ran so fast that I couldn't catch their names.


ah, the old "even if I told you, you wouldn't get it" bit; don't worry, I think I am pretty ok in the "big picture" department
Yes, I have seen how "ok" you are with the big kung fu picture from your comments.:rolleyes:

(never mind that you bungled the metaphor for it)
Maybe you just didn't understand what I was saying.


the question was asked in order to establish the level of your personal experience - if you have no experience of it, then talking about it with you as if you did would make very little sense; it is a question I have asked others here, and gotten a variety of different answers ranging from "no" to "yes" to "not sure, but here's what it feels like to me" - in all cases, an interesting and productive exchange ensued as a result;
You were trying to show your "knowledge" again, so please don't hide behind the usual BS!


interestingly, you are the only one who couches it (and pretty much everything I state) in terms of "let me show you what I know for it's own sake"; that is an unfortunate choice on your part, as it kills the possibility for open discussion from the get go;
That is I have had "open discussions" with you before. If you have already forgotten(which knowing you is a real possibility) then check the links again.

of course not, that would be disastrous (ok, I am allowed one moment of sarcasm)...
Oh, poor innocent cjurakpt is trying to be sarcastic and that is so "unsusual" for him.:rolleyes:

well, ok then; was that so hard? incidentally, I agree (not that you would care, of course) that this is the "correct" approach
Thank god that you agree, I can now go back and live my life!:rolleyes:

- it seems to have a generalized effect on the way the body's connective tissue system functions, making it at the same time both more resistant to damage from blows but at the same time not rigid, even more springy / supple - this is what, I believe, the terms "pang" and "sung" refer to respectively, and matches that balanced sense of being rooted firmly below but light above the waist (your "relaxed body unity" is probably the same thing); I would also say that, in my personal experience, this particular phenomenon is unique to TCMA, and lends a general quality to fighting that I have found useful in certain situations

Now, was all that necessary? You do see what I am getting at don't you?


when you come onto a forum displaying troll-like and holier-than-thou tendencies, don't be surprised by the type of reception you get;

And again that comment shows how lost you are regarding authentic kung fu training and what has happened to it at the current times.

anyway, it has nothing to do with you per se, but when I came back on after a few months hiatus, I decided to make it a point to refrain from directing negativity towards anyone on here, and to simply not respond in kind to any directed at me; so, if you want to keep directing rancor at me just for the sake of whatever agenda it is that you have, that's obviously your prerogative - I will still post what I like, if people don't want to read it, they can put me on ignore, which, in fact, I strongly encourage you to do if you find my writing too pedantic, too irrelevant, or too long - that way, you will not have to suffer my monologues any further and will have no reason to wax on and on about them being annoying, posturing, etc., saving you both irritation and time posting about it; that seems to me the most reasonable course of action for you at this point;
Or perhaps you should put me on ignore? I mean for real. Or even better you can even take a long look at the way you post!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Besides, anyone that comes in with the whole " I have the real whatever", will never get an easy ride.

[HardWork8]

Besides, anyone that comes in with the whole " I have the real whatever", will never get an easy ride.
Don't flatter yourself nor your Glorified Kickboxer colleagues. You need more than that single cell organ that you call a brain which you share commonly amongst yourselves to make any aspect of my life difficult.

And anyone who actually believes that you or any of your crosstraining friends' know anything about authentic kung fu that is more than a superficial bit of knowledge is as intellectually "blessed" as you!

[1bad65]

Actually, I posted who he SAYS is his teacher....

Cool. Did he ever answer questions 2-5 though?

[1bad65]

You guys - 1bad65, unkokusai, cjurakpt AND HW8 have some issues I believe can not be helped by all the girlie bickering and insults.

I don't consider asking for proof of someone's claims 'girlie bickering' or 'insulting'.

If more people did that, there would be alot less bs out there, that's for sure.

[HardWork8]

Yeah, I remember that you got a little bit of a rough ride, but it was in "good fun",
Let me get this, you gave a person like LoneTiger 108, who has always been civil and a million times more knowledgable in kung fu (because,ahem, he actually practices it) than you and your knucklehead gang, a "bit of a rough ride" in an actual KUNG FU FORUM, and it was just "good fun"?

as for HW8, well, he does it to himself.
By honestly speaking his mind on mediocrecity that passes for kung fu? Or for showing Glorified Kickboxers for what they are?

People who accuse others of being frauds when those people not only have verifiable credintials
Credentials in what exactly? Authentic Kung fu? or Authentic MMA? Or something that amounts to nothing more than glorified kickboxing?

but even are know by their actual names, and are not wiling to give their personal info, are asking to be called "out".
For your information, the world is full of Kung fu men with "credentials" using their real names who have turned this rich art into a joke!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Cool. Did he ever answer questions 2-5 though?

What do you think?

[HardWork8]

HardWork8, did you ever answer these questions?

1bad65, go and get a life!

[sanjuro_ronin]

I can't speak for HW8, nor his relationship to Andria Sifu, but I do understand how belittling it feels to have everyone on your case as I too was welcomed to this forum by a heck of a lot of 'pointing fingers'!


I went back and took a look at some of your first posts...where did anyone get on your case?
Other than T of course, but that's part of his "charm" LOL !

[HardWork8]

I can second that sanjuro. I met Andria Sifu only this year at his Seminar in London following Seni.............................................. .....
I can't speak for HW8, nor his relationship to Andria Sifu, but I do understand how belittling it feels to have everyone on your case as I too was welcomed to this forum by a heck of a lot of 'pointing fingers'!

I suppose it may be a little belittling when some of the people pointing the fingers don't even pretend to be practising kung fu(unkokusai and 1bad) and the others who think they know about kung fu because they have happened to have practised it in god knows where combined with another dozen (sometimes) irrelevant martial arts (see the rest of the "kung fu" Einsteins).

You guys - 1bad65, unkokusai, cjurakpt AND HW8 have some issues I believe can not be helped by all the girlie bickering and insults.
You forgot the other "Kung Fu Icon" SoCo kung fu.

Well, unless, you're either all one person playing marketing tricks,
I assure you not. ! :)


Either way, it IS boring and slightly embarrassing :o
I can see your point here.;)

[1bad65]

What do you think?

1bad65, go and get a life!

I'll take that as a no.

[HardWork8]

What do you think?
Sanjuro used the "think" word with another knucklehead....:eek:

[unkokusai]

I suppose it may be a little belittling when some of the people pointing the fingers don't even pretend to be practising kung fu(unkokusai and 1bad) and the others who think they know about kung fu because they have happened to have practised it in god knows where combined with another dozen (sometimes) irrelevant martial arts (see the rest of the "kung fu" Einsteins).



Gee, I wonder why anyone would get on your case? :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Gee, I wonder why anyone would get on your case? :rolleyes:

Ah dude, don't quote him, kind of defeats having Mr.fake on ignore.

[unkokusai]

Look and you over-complicated something that is already very complicated and confusing for many newbies



= it makes you feel even worse about yourself than you usually do.

[LoneTiger108]

I went back and took a look at some of your first posts...where did anyone get on your case?
Other than T of course, but that's part of his "charm" LOL !

If it's 'charm' I was looking for, I would have just signed up somewhere else! And I think if you do read over more you'll find all sorts of underlying insults aimed in my direction. Only from a few I admit, but it would have been enough for some to just pull away (as many have done from the Lee Shing family)

I don't consider asking for proof of someone's claims 'girlie bickering' or 'insulting'.

If more people did that, there would be alot less bs out there, that's for sure.

I wasn't referring to your questioning, I was talking of the general insults that are thrown all over the place by all of you.

As for 'asking for proof' on ANY forum, I'd think you must know better than that?! Proof is in the touch, and we all know that doesn't happen much round here. Shame but true.

If these forums were used more constructively, we would all benefit in more ways than we care to imagine. And I do sometimes wonder what impression we all give across to the newcomers?

So many members, and too few posting! :eek: Just my opinion...

[sanjuro_ronin]

If it's 'charm' I was looking for, I would have just signed up somewhere else! And I think if you do read over more you'll find all sorts of underlying insults aimed in my direction. Only from a few I admit, but it would have been enough for some to just pull away (as many have done from the Lee Shing family)

I must have missed that stuff about Lee Shing, I care less than zero about "lineage" issues.

People with lineage issues are in need of a Rusty Trambone to get their priorities straight.

[HardWork8]

I must have missed that stuff about Lee Shing, I care less than zero about "lineage" issues.

People with lineage issues are in need of a Rusty Trambone to get their priorities straight.


That is a very interesting comment seeing that a lot of the problems with the other posters (mainly the crosstraining knuckleheads) and myself resulted over the differences between what was contained in the curriculum of the LINEAGE of Wing Chun that I practice and that of the more common styles of Wing Chun.

Hence comments such as,"no grappling/ground fighting in Wing Chun" together with other comments that showed ignorance of the internals within this system, and other less common practices.

There is no problem in discussing different lineages within the Wing Chun family because we can learn from those differences and thus enrich what we practice (as long as we are not talking about a modern hybrid).

Unfortunately, many here prefer to "enrich" their art by crosstraining in sometimes irrelevant none-TCMA martial arts, BEFORE having first understood the POTENTIAL within the art of Wing Chun and indeed within relevant kung fu styles.

[unkokusai]

That is a very interesting comment seeing that a lot of the problems with the other posters and myself resulted over the differences between what was contained in the curriculum of the lineage of Wing Chun that I practice and that of the more common styles of Wing Chun.


No, ALL the problems resulted from your stupidity, your insecurity, and your cartoonish attitude.

[HardWork8]

No, ALL the problems resulted from your stupidity, your insecurity, and your cartoonish attitude.

I suggest that you start practicing kung fu before you ever post again in this or any other kung fu forum.

Sheesh! The "man"(?) has almost 3000 posts to his name, most of which were insults aimed at kung fu practitioners and in a kung fu forum at that, and he doesn't even train kung fu, AND HE HASN'T BEEN BANNED YET!

Having said that, I must thank you unkokusai. I had a couple of kung fu friends over a couple of days ago and we spent good hour laughing at your posts (and my responses that put you down on your butt on many occassions).

Laughter never hurts (well sometimes specially when one is laughing at you), and you have provided plenty, even if it was unintentional on your part.

Other things that we laughed at were the silence of your forum friends in regards to your trolling, who are too ready to label anyone who disagrees with them as "trolls"[ read Sanjuro_Ronin, cjurakpt, SoCo Kung Fu ("So Called Kung Fu") and a few other kung fu pretender knuckleheads], but some how manage to put up with your brain damaged trolling without a single word.

Yes, their silence is deathening, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE, BEING NO MORE THAN GLORIFIED KICKBOXERS, THEY IDENTIFY WITH THE LIKES OF YOU MORE THAN THEY DO WITH AUTHENTIC KUNG FU PRACTITIONERS!

I (and now my kung fu friends) look forward to more laughter from your posts in the future, until that is when you are finally banned from the Kung Fu Forum!

[unkokusai]

I had a couple of kung fu friends over a couple of days ago and


Stop right there. As soon as you start claiming to have friends I know it's a lie. Yours is a basement built for one. There is no way anyone could stomach being in the same room with an ******* like you.









Btw, what was that 'other' MA you claim to study?

[cjurakpt]

You are being untruthfull again! I know that your attention span is not the greatest on the planet, but you knew for sure who the question was addressed to.
no, actually, I really did miss it; I know you find that hard to believe, but that's the fact; accept it or not, as you like;

Yes, another one.:rolleyes:
big deal; I make mistakes all the time; do you not?

At last! One down and a dozen to go.:rolleyes:
well, technically, since you don't accept the premise for the mea culpa, it doesn't really count then, would it?:rolleyes:

You lied and you know it!
again, no; but believe it if you want;

Dear cjurakpt, it is called deductive and instinctive INTELLIGENCE! Not some chronic superficial, illusionary intelligence that people like you seem to suffer from.
sorry, fact is, I had you on ignore, took you off one time as I recall, put you right back on afterwards; took you off when I started re-posting about a month ago; end of story; you can be as deductive as you like, but without evidence of my responding to a post that you made during that time, it's all projection

Correct! And as it was a kung fu thread I believe that my interpretation was correcter than yours!
if you say so

Suppose he was curious about a groin cramp, as well, what were you going to do write another "look I am intelligent" essay on the subject?
he didn't, so that's an irrelevant point; I know that re-framing is a tactic you like, but tit gets nowhere,really; anyway, whatever, I answered him based on my assessment of his question, I explained why, end of story;

You can if you want but you are missing the point. It is not a question of what he wanted but WHAT YOU WANTED!
I think you really want to believe that, so ok, go ahead, believe it; know it; live it;

And of course, you wanted to show off!
if you say so

Again, you are missing the point. You'll find anything in a topic to make it relevant to your d1ck waving.
no, you will take anything I write and ascribe it as such because it suits you to do so;

There you go being DUBIOUS AGAIN! You participated in a prank that attempted to show me as Satanist, Anti-semetic racist with a criminal record. You even managed to offend some posters who believed this at the beginning of the charade. Then I exposed the prank and it fell around your ears.
look, when you act the way you act (and you know exactly what I am talking about), people are gonna jerk you back at a comparable level, so you got exactly what you gave out; as far as exposing, there was nothing hidden - anybody with half a brain would have realized right away what was going on; maybe you should step back and consider why you repeatedly attract negative responses from so many people (hint: it has nothing to do with your WC style)

Yet, none of the knucklehead Glorified Kickboxers - including your "good" self - who participated in it came forward and apologized. And now you are denying that you are a dubious character?? Not very intelligent, are you?
nothing to apologize for - act like a tool, get treated like one

That is what you say.
indeed it is

You should seriously consider writing (hopefully relevant material) in a down to earth way to start with then you would not come across the way you do.
thanks, I'll keep writing how I like; if you don't like it, don't read it, or put me on ignore

And thereby coming across even more "knowledgable". Yes, I have seen the trick before.:rolleyes:
I guess then that you are the only one who has been able to see through this clever ruse :rolleyes:...

For someone who is supposed to be therapist you sure seem to be a little naive about the human nature.
if you say so

Do you think that most of these people understand what the he11 it is that you are talking about most of the time and its 'relevance' to what in their "mind" they see as "kung fu"????
Most people here are KNUCKLEHEADS! That is the "Kung fu truth of our times"!They just pretend to understand and be interested because like most of the human race they want to be in the (in this case "intellectual") in crowd.
I bet if you ask most of your "fans" over your previous literary "masterpieces", they would not remember a daamn thing. Get Real!
sorry you have such a low estimation of everyone on here (surprised you bother to stick around at all, really; I know, it's for the laughs, whatever); personally, I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt: if they don't understand what I write, they can either ignore it / me, they can ask me to clarify, or they can go educate themselves (all have occurred here to date); if they pretend to get it and don't that's their problem, not mine; if they forget it later on, so be it;

I see how you "ignore it"! You don't get tired of being contradictory do you? Or is it untruthfull?
evidently, it will be whatever you decide it is for yourself, regardless of what I say at this point

Remember, the ignore button is your friend! Lol.
yours too, even moreso

Look and you over-complicated something that is already very complicated and confusing for many newbies not to mention the "kung fu-ist" knuckleheads with "many" years of "experience".
to date, no one has complained, meaning that they either get it, or they don't and don't consider it worth their while to let me know;
actually, I'm curious: do you understand what I write? or is my "jargon" incomprehensible to you? I mean, you may not like it, I am aware of that, but do you actually understand it?

You are happy typing along all your technical essays about complicated aspects of Kung fu but yet again I will tell you that most people reading are going to be knuckleheads, people who someone like you will not be able to bear in person for more than half an hour.
that may be - why don't we let them speak for themselves; if you don't understand what I write (and again, do you, or don't you? ), and if that bugs you, don't read it; ignore it

I mean imagine the scenario. You are visiting Ontario and decide to meet Sanjuro for a coffee (in a public place). What kind of conversation would you expect with someone like him.
Ok, I'll tell you what will happen etc etc...coffee.
I think SJ and I would have a fine time, seeing as we have at least one acquaintance in common with whom we both got on with quite well

And I stated before, you are not going to get any info from me with that attitude of yours.
<sigh> let me be unequivocally clear, one final time: I am not trying to get any info from you, I am not expecting to get info from you, I don't care if I ever do get some info from you; consider yourself free from all expectation, forever, so you don't need to play this tactic any longer;

Implausible statement? Because I stated that you don't know as much as you think you know. We must agree to disagree, I suppose.:rolleyes:
yes, I suppose that we must :rolleyes:;

Yes it is!
well, if you really believe that, so be it; however, I am pretty confident he did not, not only based on the content of what he has taught me, but also for reasons about which one would not be aware of, unless one has lived in / taken care your sifu's home when he and his family were away, lived with / helped out with his family when he was out of the country, treated him, his mother, his wife and children when they needed it, was the only student of his who he took with him when he attended his own teacher's funeral - things like that, which, unless one have studied with a traditional Chinese teacher one couldn't understand, in regards to what that level of "in-the-door" actually means (hint: traditional Chinese teachers do most of their "real" teaching out of class - over tea, while taking walks in the country, etc.); BTW, I'm sure that this will all be chalked up to d1ck-waving, it's really not - I am actually trying to get you to understand that your definition of traditional is not all you think it may be

Well you just explained what most people's opinions are based on, as if no one knew.
it's was the part about your opinion being informed by a set of absolutist criteria that was relevant

Again. My "opinion" is based on your own comments.
filtered through your perspective that your criteria for "real" TCMA are irrefutable, and that anyone who holds a contrary opinion have one because what they learned is not "real";

[cjurakpt]

Ok. Here is your first ever post addressed to me before you knew who I was OR before I knew who you were (boy, those were the days):
It is rude and condescending.
Then followed an "exchange" where you got more than the fair dosage of your own medicine, until here where you requested me to be "civil".
In my response in the post number 178 of the same link, I agreed to be civil.
Then your next post addressed to me was here where you apparently stopped being "civil" for no apparent reason:
Here I refer to your sudden loss of civility!
ok, tell you what - upon review of the specific posts, I'll give you the above; despite the fact that I disagreed with the majority of your perspective, I should have been much more "civil"; which is exactly why I stopped posting for a while, I needed to deal with things that were being reflected by that sort of negativity; hence, my refraining at the current time from engaging in exchanges of that sort; so while I stand by my perspective, I apologize for the tone; and have also deleted all offending posts as a result; anything else?

Your assumptions show how little you know about TCMAs, but don't worry, as you are in good company.
indeed, I feel that I am

Maybe I was "considering" to be charitable.
even the Buddha didn't start teaching until ~2AM after most people had left, and then only after he was asked 3 times; I don't recall asking even once, so again, feel absolved of even the remotest urge to be so again

I don't know. They ran so fast that I couldn't catch their names.
I guess you could always go back and look at the thread and see who stopped posting as a result of what I wrote...

Yes, I have seen how "ok" you are with the big kung fu picture from your comments.:rolleyes:
"Tao is thievery"

Maybe you just didn't understand what I was saying.
I guess not...

You were trying to show your "knowledge" again, so please don't hide behind the usual BS!
if you say say; and again, "ignore" is your friend

Oh, poor innocent cjurakpt is trying to be sarcastic and that is so "unsusual" for him.:rolleyes:
I am continually trying to refrain from it at present; conversely, you appear to have embraced it wholeheartedly

Thank god that you agree, I can now go back and live my life!:rolleyes:
case in point; anyway, I think that it was apparent from my post that I did not expect for you to care if I did, so your sracasm is unwarranted

Now, was all that necessary? You do see what I am getting at don't you?
yes I do, which is that obviously no matter what I write or how I write it you will comment as such; again, if you don't like it, don't read it, or put me on ignore, and you will never have to suffer me again

And again that comment shows how lost you are regarding authentic kung fu training and what has happened to it at the current times.
if you say so

r perhaps you should put me on ignore? I mean for real.
I am not the one following you around the forum commenting on your posts; I realized quite some time ago that nothing I say will impact your perspective, and that even in the midst of an actual discussion, you will condescend and ; if you don't get that, that's cool; that said, I have no reason to put you on ignore at present, whereas you appear to have more than enough cause to do so with me

Or even better you can even take a long look at the way you post!
actually, I have, although not because of anything you say - again, as you may have noted, since I started posting again, I have actively curtailed any negativity, and have tried to simply write what's on my mind in a non-judgmental way; apparently that's not good enough for you, as you seem to find a host of ulterior motivations behind my posts (actually, I think it irritates you that I am no longer conforming to your expectations, as it kinda negates your polemic); I think you would prefer it that I continue to feed into your baiting game, but really, I am not interested; bottom line, I will continue to post as I like - you want to come chasing after me each time, that's your prerogative, but it's not going to change anything that I do; enjoy yourself either way

[1bad65]

Btw, what was that 'other' MA you claim to study?

He's still ducking that question? :rolleyes:

[unkokusai]

He's still ducking that question? :rolleyes:


Hell, he won't even say what his first language is!



A man of mystery, that Basement Boy.

[HardWork8]

I'll take that as a no.

Please go and read the whole thread where you found the questions and you will see that those very questions contain falsehoods. I know that it is a long thread but with your knucklehead intellectual "endowment" you should be able to finish and UNDERSTAND it in about 32 years. Then you will SEE!

[HardWork8]

He's still ducking that question? :rolleyes:

Ok I'll tell you because your charm and "intellect" has won me over. My other style is kung fu!

There you should be happy now. I am sure that it has changed your life and that as a result you have become enlightened so that from now on you will be a more evolved person who will give up the knucklehead martial arts in favor of TCMAs.

[TenTigers]

there's a knucklehead martial arts?
I had no idea!
There also must be a shovelhead martial arts as well!
Seeing that I ride a '73 Shovelhead, I must learn this!

[Eddie]

Seeing that I ride a '73 Shovelhead, I must learn this!

:eek:
Man!!
You are officially my new hero. I would do anything to ride a real mans bike like that.
Right now Im stuck with a little Chinese electric scooter :(. I feel so gay. :D

[HardWork8]

PART 1A :rolleyes:


no, actually, I really did miss it; I know you find that hard to believe, but that's the fact; accept it or not, as you like;
I do find it hard to believe, not least because of your immense intellect!


big deal; I make mistakes all the time;
You seem to have made too many with me, as proven with the links that I provided!


do you not?

Yes I do, but not all the time!

well, technically, since you don't accept the premise for the mea culpa, it doesn't really count then, would it?:rolleyes:

Well with all your culpas you should write a 6 page essay and then maybe I will accept.


again, no; but believe it if you want;
You lied!


sorry, fact is, I had you on ignore, took you off one time as I recall, put you right back on afterwards; took you off when I started re-posting about a month ago; end of story; you can be as deductive as you like, but without evidence of my responding to a post that you made during that time, it's all projection

There was a post of yours in the same thread as the prank where you admit to never having had me on ignore. I see that you have conveniently deleted it!

You are some piece of work, I must say!


if you say so
I do say so because it is a FACT!


he didn't, so that's an irrelevant point; I know that re-framing is a tactic you like, but tit gets nowhere,really; anyway, whatever, I answered him based on my assessment of his question, I explained why, end of story;
If you say so.:rolleyes:


I think you really want to believe that, so ok, go ahead, believe it; know it; live it;
You use any post which allows you to "bounce off" with your "intellectual" monologues. That is the FACT!


if you say so
You are insecure! and that is why you show off! And yes, I AM SAYING SO!

no, you will take anything I write and ascribe it as such because it suits you to do so;
If you say so....:rolleyes:


look, when you act the way you act (and you know exactly what I am talking about), people are gonna jerk you back at a comparable level,
What is it that you are exacly talking about?

The fact that many of the so called kung fu "experts" are nothing more than Glorified Kickboxers? Who don't practice the internals; Who don't practice forms and who crosstrain in sometimes a dozen other (many times) irrelevant MAs. Then they feel qualified to criticise the traditional training. A training in which they do not have any credible experience. And people who give advice on the base of this knucklehead kung fu "knowledge" of theirs.

When I see this I am going to tell them what I think of them!!!!! And if the truth hurts, which it obviously did, then SO BE IT!

Most of the "Kung fu advisers" in this forum are FAKES! Other traditionalists know this but do not say anything as not to rock the boat.

Unfortunately this "silence" has given a free for all for all the know-nothing Glorified Kickboxers of this forum who include Sanjuro_ronin, SoCo Kung Fu,Ikfmdc and YOUR GOOD SELF!

[I did not mention Unkokusai because it is better to leave him out of it because he does not even practice kung fu and also because of his chronic mental condition).

"Why me"? You say, and I say among other things, these idiots that I have named above are your forum friends with whom you have formed this gang mentality.

It is amazing that all of you noticed my bluntness towards the kung fu pretenders but you none of you ever notice unkokusai's obnoxious and nauseating behavior! And you guys even dared to repeatedly call me a troll!!!!!

Yes you are a dubious character with a selective FALSE morality!!!!


so you got exactly what you gave out;
I then I gave out more than I got by putting each one of you in his place.

And your sore butts proved it! Some of you still suffer from that Sore Butt syndrom that I gave you. Just look at SoCoKung Fu and yourself!

as far as exposing, there was nothing hidden - anybody with half a brain would have realized right away what was going on

That may be because it was the instigators of this disgusting prank that had "half a brain"! I mean their combined brain size. You people are not really intelligent, are you?

Having said that, it did manage to fool a few people and at least one of them manifested himself on the thread:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50875&page=7

maybe you should step back and consider why you repeatedly attract negative responses from so many people (hint: it has nothing to do with your WC style)

Two reasons: In a world of Mckwoons/dojos, where the majority of schools are crap( a known fact) -

1) I have been lucky enough to find 2 authentic kung fu schools.

2) I am not afraid to defend the traditional way with people, some of whom are not even qualified to be bad kung fu-ists and I don't care how many years of experience they have had combining their arts with Tae Kwon Do, either. :rolleyes:either!!!

[HardWork8]

PART 2A:rolleyes:

nothing to apologize for - act like a tool, get treated like one
The "Tool" here is you. You are forum buddies with the likes of Ikfmdc, Sanjuro, SoCoKung Fu (who has evidently seen one too many a warzone and seems to think that if you train BJJ you will be bullet proof) and UNKOKUSAI, for gods sake!

By the way, if you indeed have an attention span more than that of a rabbit perhaps you could make your way to the link that Sanjuro provided, claiming that I had lied about my sifu fighting bjj etc.

Read it carefully and you will see who is the liar!!!!


indeed it is
And it is a lie!


thanks, I'll keep writing how I like; if you don't like it, don't read it, or put me on ignore
I may read it or I may not. It all depends if I need a laugh on the day to cheer me up!


I guess then that you are the only one who has been able to see through this clever ruse :rolleyes:...

Others do too, but they are too "polite"!


if you say so
I do say so and you are naive!


sorry you have such a low estimation of everyone on here (surprised you bother to stick around at all, really; I know, it's for the laughs, whatever); personally, I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt: if they don't understand what I write, they can either ignore it / me, they can ask me to clarify,
Ask YOU to clarify? You are joking no? I mean to answer a simple question you write a whole lot of medical jibberish, I can only imagint the number pages you would be writing to "clarify" something....lol.

or they can go educate themselves
Educate themselves in what exactly? KUNG FU or medical therapy?

(all have occurred here to date);
Sure it has and I hear that unkokusai is one of your disciples.:rolleyes:


if they pretend to get it and don't that's their problem, not mine; if they forget it later on, so be it;

What do you care, right? The important thing is for you to come across as more intelligent than you are!


evidently, it will be whatever you decide it is for yourself, regardless of what I say at this point

That is because most things that you say are untruthfull.


yours too, even moreso
No, the ignore button is your friend. Seeing the quality of your forum friends I would say that you better stick to inanimate objects as maybe these objects will influence you towards the positive virtues of life. So start with the ignore button as your "friend"!

to date, no one has complained, meaning that they either get it, or they don't and don't consider it worth their while to let me know;
They might not complain because maybe they are traumatised, unconscious or perhaps they don't out of pity.

actually, I'm curious: do you understand what I write? or is my "jargon" incomprehensible to you? I mean, you may not like it, I am aware of that, but do you actually understand it?
I'll be honest with you, as I am NOT a liar- I don't understand everything that you write. Some things I understand and some I don't, but they are ALL unnecessarily complicated and jargon filled!

I think SJ and I would have a fine time, seeing as we have at least one acquaintance in common with whom we both got on with quite well

Was your acquaintance a knucklehead?:confused:

Anyway, just to be safe and not to put strain on Sanjuro's fragile punch drunk brain, you should take a third "person" such as a punch bag or if you can afford it one of those plastic dummies called "Bob". Now, with 3 dummies on the table your conversation might even flow a little. And of course, once you start confusing Sanjuro with your monologues he will probably want to hit something (that is how knucklehead "brains" work), so better if it is Bob then you.

<sigh> let me be unequivocally clear, one final time: I am not trying to get any info from you, I am not expecting to get info from you, I don't care if I ever do get some info from you; consider yourself free from all expectation, forever, so you don't need to play this tactic any longer;
Maybe you will one day. You know the old saying "when the student is ready the teacher appears".

However, one piece of advice, if you want to be ready sooner,then you better stop hanging around with knuckleheads who wouldn't know real kung fu if it fell on their thick skulls!

yes, I suppose that we must :rolleyes:;
Even if the truth shows would show you in bad light (just like the forum company that you keep).


well, if you really believe that, so be it; however, I am pretty confident he did not, not only based on the content of what he has taught me, but also for reasons about which one would not be aware of, unless one has lived in / taken care your sifu's home when he and his family were away, lived with / helped out with his family when he was out of the country, treated him, his mother, his wife and children when they needed it, was the only student of his who he took with him when he attended his own teacher's funeral - things like that, which, unless one have studied with a traditional Chinese teacher one couldn't understand, in regards to what that level of "in-the-door" actually means (hint: traditional Chinese teachers do most of their "real" teaching out of class - over tea, while taking walks in the country, etc.); BTW, I'm sure that this will all be chalked up to d1ck-waving, it's really not - I am actually trying to get you to understand that your definition of traditional is not all you think it may be
And let me try and make you understand that just because the Janitor does a good job of cleaning my toilets I don't feel obliged to teach him any Wing Chun!

Besides, perhaps like 95% of so called "masters" out there he did not know everything that he needed to know, even if he was one of the better ones.

it's was the part about your opinion being informed by a set of absolutist criteria that was relevant
Wether you like it or not some of the criteria of kung fu training are "absolutist".

filtered through your perspective that your criteria for "real" TCMA are irrefutable, and that anyone who holds a contrary opinion have one because what they learned is not "real";
Here are SOME criteria that I argue about: The importance of forms training: Iron Palm/Fist/body training; Internal training!

Most knuckleheads seem to disagree on those points. There are also dozens of "sub-points" that flow out of those three.

[They are essential aspects of most kung fu training. Of course, some very internal styles do not practicr IP.]

AND YET AGAIN THE FACT IS THAT MOST KUNG FU SCHOOLS ARE CRAP (See Mcdojo/kwoon phenomenom), YET MOST KNUCKLEHEADS HERE SEEM TO HAVE "GOOD KUNG FU" seemingly because they crosstrained it with many other martial arts, that if anything take them AWAY from kung fu.

It is like a bad joke!

[HardWork8]

there's a knucklehead martial arts?
I had no idea!
There also must be a shovelhead martial arts as well!

For god's sake, keep quite about the Shovelhead martial arts, we don't want the intellectually challenged punch drunk Modern "Kung Fu-ists" of this forum bringing one more "funcional" martial art into their arsenal!:D

[HardWork8]

ok, tell you what - upon review of the specific posts, I'll give you the above; despite the fact that I disagreed with the majority of your perspective, I should have been much more "civil"; which is exactly why I stopped posting for a while, I needed to deal with things that were being reflected by that sort of negativity; hence, my refraining at the current time from engaging in exchanges of that sort; so while I stand by my perspective, I apologize for the tone; and have also deleted all offending posts as a result; anything else?
Yes, that is it, get rid of the evidence!
Christ all mighty!


indeed, I feel that I am
Yes and that good company that you are part of include: SoCoKung fu, Sanjuro_ronin (christ! even the name is pretencious), Ikfmdc and of course the king of astro physics, Mr Brain Damage himself, Unkokusai, all of whom have lied about me in this forum many a time!!!! So there, go on and be proud you really are in "good company".


even the Buddha didn't start teaching until ~2AM after most people had left, and then only after he was asked 3 times;
I wouldn't know as I was not around during his time hence I did not know him personally. Don't tell me that Buddha was one of your sifus as well. Did you clean his house too?


I don't recall asking even once, so again, feel absolved of even the remotest urge to be so again
Didn't you know that real charity is when you don't wait for people to ask. One just sees the NEED in the person and then he tries to help. Didn't sifu Buddha teach you these things?


I guess you could always go back and look at the thread and see who stopped posting as a result of what I wrote...
I am not so worried about the posters in comparison with the readers that you have turned off!


"Tao is thievery"
Good for you and at least it was not a monologue.

That is it, instead of writing pages and pages that no one understands. Just write short phrases, that no one understands!


I guess not...
You "guess" correctly!


if you say say; and again, "ignore" is your friend
It seems that you are much more in need of a friend than I, so you can have the ignore button.


I am continually trying to refrain from it at present; conversely, you appear to have embraced it wholeheartedly
And that is because you are projecting an untruthful image.


case in point; anyway, I think that it was apparent from my post that I did not expect for you to care if I did, so your sracasm is unwarranted
Who said I was being sarcastic you "Brain God"!:rolleyes:


yes I do, which is that obviously no matter what I write or how I write it you will comment as such; again, if you don't like it, don't read it, or put me on ignore, and you will never have to suffer me again
Again, you don't get the point, didn't anyone ever teach you to simplify and summarize?


if you say so
You are lost in regards in regards to training authentic kung fu. You may know slightly more than Sanjuro or SoCalled Kung fu, but then that is not saying much.

I am not the one following you around the forum commenting on your posts; I realized quite some time ago that nothing I say will impact your perspective, and that even in the midst of an actual discussion, you will condescend and ; if you don't get that, that's cool; that said, I have no reason to put you on ignore at present, whereas you appear to have more than enough cause to do so with me
Another UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENT. YET AGAIN!

I did not follow you here. It was you who came here to "tie up some loose ends"!

I was already posting in the previous WC thread in which you "bounced" off a post on something that SoCo Kung Fu wrote insulting me.

The thread before that was the one you entered and attempted to answer a question directed AT ME!


actually, I have, although not because of anything you say - again, as you may have noted, since I started posting again, I have actively curtailed any negativity, and have tried to simply write what's on my mind in a non-judgmental way; apparently that's not good enough for you, as you seem to find a host of ulterior motivations behind my posts (actually, I think it irritates you that I am no longer conforming to your expectations, as it kinda negates your polemic); I think you would prefer it that I continue to feed into your baiting game, but really, I am not interested; bottom line, I will continue to post as I like - you want to come chasing after me each time, that's your prerogative,

My "negativity" is encouraged in your continual insistance in pretending to be more intelligent than you are!

Your continual use of untruthful statements as yet again proved above doesn't help.

And anyone who hangs around, even if it is a forum, with a brain damaged knucklehead like unkokusai not to mention the rest of the merry bunch of Glorified Kickboxers (non of whom are going to win any intelligence awards in the near future, just like you), is already showing his colors and will attract hostility from anyone who knows anything about authentic kung fu.

but it's not going to change anything that I do;
Yes, I know, why evolve, eh?


enjoy yourself either way
I do and I will!

[cjurakpt]

before the truth about HW8 came out...

specifically, in regards to HW8's on-going contention that, for the whole time I had him on ignore, he claims I didn't (remember he does this because it serves his agenda as trying to brand me as a liar);

to start, let's take a look at our most recent exchange on the topic:
I know you have some strange idea that I never had you on ignore, but until you provide some proof of that (e.g. - evidence that I responded to a post of yours that I supposedly could not have read), it doesn't really hold much water beyond "'cause HW8 says so"; otherwise, please indicate where this pattern is apparent;
Dear cjurakpt, it is called deductive and instinctive INTELLIGENCE! Not some chronic superficial, illusionary intelligence that people like you seem to suffer from.
ok, now, notice here that he "knows" this not because of anything concrete, but because of "instinct" and "deduction"; no proof to back this up at all; ok, so:
sorry, fact is, I had you on ignore, took you off one time as I recall, put you right back on afterwards; took you off when I started re-posting about a month ago; end of story; you can be as deductive as you like, but without evidence of my responding to a post that you made during that time, it's all projection
There was a post of yours in the same thread as the prank where you admit to never having had me on ignore. I see that you have conveniently deleted it! You are some piece of work, I must say!

hmm, interresting! so, HW8 suddenly "remembers" that there is concrete proof of my alleged "lie"; but he can't provide a link to it; why is that? that's right, I have "conveniently" deleted it;

and this is the crux of it: HW8 alleges that I deleted this "mystery post", which, had he linked to it before I "conveniently" deleted it, would have been the smoking gun, proving me to be a liar;

it's the perfect argument, very zen: "no proof" as "proof"; very clever indeed;



except...

there are are few things to consider...

lets start with what we know about HW8's m/o in regards to posting:
he has a knack for providing direct links to posts to substantiate his arguments; he is not one to put on the kids gloves - his is the crushing fist of justice and morality; if there is evidence, by gum, he will provide it in full!

however, in regards to his claim that I never had him on ignore, I have asked, repeatedly, for him to provide evidence where I had clearly responded to a post of his that I couldn't have known about if I had him on ignore; but he never has been able to do so: nothing, nada, bupkis; in fact, he only responded with comments in the vein of "I just know you did not"; so, obviously, he had no ability to back that claim up (if he had, he would have used it); so, he had to come up with some other form of "proof", in order to be able to continue to press his claim that I was lying (remember, that's the whole point - that he claims I am a liar);

so, again, knowing what we know about our HW8, how is it then, that he was never able to provide a link to this alleged post before? there is no way that he would refrain from using this d@mning piece of evidence to prove me a liar; that is,if it had actually ever existed (now, here is where things start to get interesting...)

this "proof", this "missing post", this bit of forum emphemera, which he only now, "conveniently" mentions, this is the keystone to his argumentative arch, yet he brings it up only now; why? what has changed that would enable him to substantiate his claim that I had gone and deleted it?

oh, HW8 is a clever one, indeed; too clever, by far...

he brings it up only now, because of this one fact: because here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889800&postcount=301), I mention deleting certain posts (part of my effort to rectify my having been, admittedly, unduly coarse with him; although, I should say, it would have come down to the same tone eventually, given his obnoxious, condescending tone towards people who respectfully disagree with his perspective)

anyway, being the clever d1ck that he is, he uses that as an opportunity to imply that, as I have now established a track record of having deleted some posts, I can now be accused of deleting other ones as well, as if now I am trying to cover my tracks; in fact, here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889859&postcount=311), he preemptively accuses me of "getting rid evidence" already...what a surprise! oh, it's very clever, very clever indeed!





except...

what if I had not deleted this post? what, in fact, if this alleged post had never even existed? (and, if that were so, what would that make HW8? what would that make him, indeed...)

well, that's the trick, isn't it? I have to prove that a post that HW8 claims doesn't exist now, never existed in the first place (oh, what a tangled web he weaves)

so, first, let's go have a look at "the Prank (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50875)" thread:
now, there are a a few things to notice:
first, this thread was locked on 6/3/08; meaning that from that point on, no posts could be added; but, more importantly, no posts could be deleted either; that's right, 6/03/08 would have been the last date that I could have deleted this "missing post" from that thread; meaning that, if I had in fact deleted this "missing post", I would have had to have done it prior to the thread being locked, on 6/3/08; meaning that I would have had to have had HW8 on ignore prior to that;

well, my last post responding directly to HW8 was here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50875&page=13), a few hours before the thread was locked; clearly, I did not have him on ignore at the time, and clearly I had not had him on ignore anytime prior to that, and nowhere in that thread did I claim to have put him on ignore; because I hadn't;

how is it then, that there would have been a post "admitting that I never had him on ignore" after claiming to have done so, when in fact I had not yet ever put him on ignore and had never claimed that I had?

simple: it never existed; I never deleted any post, because there was no post to begin with; HW8 made it up (which makes HW8...makes him what now, I wonder?...)


moving on, because in fact, I did eventually put him on ignore; the first time that I ever did put him on ignore was here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=870449&postcount=74):
with that, Hardwork8 earns the dubious distinction of being the first person ever in~4 yrs. and 2500-odd posts that I have ever put on ignore;
if you note, the date of that post is 7/2/08 - a full month after the prank thread was locked!

so, according to HW8's "logic", I would have had to have made and then deleted a post "admitting" I had never had him on ignore, more than a month before I ever actually did have him on ignore!


in summary::
1) HW8 claimed I never had him on ignore
2) I asked for proof to back up that claim
3) he could provide none
4) I kept pointing that out to him
5) he then claimed direct knowledge of the existence a post where I had admitted never having him on ignore, but that, when he supposedly went to look for it, claims he found it had been deleted
6) I have now proved beyond question how this was not the case, that no such post could have ever existed, and even if it had, could not have been deleted after 6/3/08, a month before I even actually put him on ignore!

the obvious conclusion is that HW8 made up this story, thinking that there was no way his assertion could be refuted; but this has not been the case, as the above proves, beyond any doubt, that this has been a complete and utter fabrication on HW8's part; and he has now been called on it;



so HW8, you do realize what this makes you, right?





can you guess?...





it makes you...





are you ready for it?...





it makes you a...





oh, wait for it now...





that's right: it makes you...





a liar

that's right HW8, sad to say, it is you are the liar, that's the truth here: you had no leg to stand on and you knew it so you fabricated this story (one of how many, we can only wonder now), in order to cover your sore, burning red butt; and what better way you to try to cover your tracks, then by accusing everyone else of exactly what you yourself are guilty of; for all your talk about how you don't lie, you have been caught with your forum pants down, your shining, shreded butt a blinding beacon, branded with the word "LIAR" for all to see;

so now, dear boy, good fellow, ol' d1cky ol' chum, oh Knight of Knucklehead, it is crystal clear (thanks to the light of your iridescent butt) to everyone on the forum (and your "Kung Fu Friends" too, if you have the misfortune of having them over just now) that you, sir, are the liar, and what's more, a hypocrite, and it is now your credibility that is unequivocally, irrevocably shot, because you got caught in your lie, and regardless of what you post from now on, everyone now knows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is you, sir, who lies;

but, then again, I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone here...

[unkokusai]

And that takes care of that.

[HardWork8]

.......this "proof", this "missing post", this bit of forum emphemera, which he only now, "conveniently" mentions, this is the keystone to his argumentative arch, yet he brings it up only now; why? what has changed that would enable him to substantiate his claim that I had gone and deleted it?

oh, HW8 is a clever one, indeed; too clever, by far...

he brings it up only now, because of this one fact: because here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889800&postcount=301), I mention deleting certain posts (part of my effort to rectify my having been, admittedly, unduly coarse with him; although, I should say, it would have come down to the same tone eventually, given his obnoxious, condescending tone towards people who respectfully disagree with his perspective)

anyway, being the clever d1ck that he is, he uses that as an opportunity to imply that, as I have now established a track record of having deleted some posts, I can now be accused of deleting other ones as well, as if now I am trying to cover my tracks; in fact, here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889859&postcount=311), he preemptively accuses me of "getting rid evidence" already...what a surprise! oh, it's very clever, very clever indeed!





except...

what if I had not deleted this post? what, in fact, if this alleged post had never even existed? (and, if that were so, what would that make HW8? what would that make him, indeed...)

well, that's the trick, isn't it? I have to prove that a post that HW8 claims doesn't exist now, never existed in the first place (oh, what a tangled web he weaves)

so, first, let's go have a look at "the Prank (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50875)" thread:
now, there are a a few things to notice:
first, this thread was locked on 6/3/08; meaning that from that point on, no posts could be added; but, more importantly, no posts could be deleted either; that's right, 6/03/08 would have been the last date that I could have deleted this "missing post" from that thread; meaning that, if I had in fact deleted this "missing post", I would have had to have done it prior to the thread being locked, on 6/3/08; meaning that I would have had to have had HW8 on ignore prior to that;

well, my last post responding directly to HW8 was here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50875&page=13), a few hours before the thread was locked; clearly, I did not have him on ignore at the time, and clearly I had not had him on ignore anytime prior to that, and nowhere in that thread did I claim to have put him on ignore; because I hadn't;

how is it then, that there would have been a post "admitting that I never had him on ignore" after claiming to have done so, when in fact I had not yet ever put him on ignore and had never claimed that I had?

simple: it never existed; I never deleted any post, because there was no post to begin with; HW8 made it up (which makes HW8...makes him what now, I wonder?...)


moving on, because in fact, I did eventually put him on ignore; the first time that I ever did put him on ignore was here (http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=870449&postcount=74):

if you note, the date of that post is 7/2/08 - a full month after the prank thread was locked!

so, according to HW8's "logic", I would have had to have made and then deleted a post "admitting" I had never had him on ignore, more than a month before I ever actually did have him on ignore!


in summary::
1) HW8 claimed I never had him on ignore
2) I asked for proof to back up that claim
3) he could provide none
4) I kept pointing that out to him
5) he then claimed direct knowledge of the existence a post where I had admitted never having him on ignore, but that, when he supposedly went to look for it, claims he found it had been deleted
6) I have now proved beyond question how this was not the case, that no such post could have ever existed, and even if it had, could not have been deleted after 6/3/08, a month before I even actually put him on ignore!

the obvious conclusion is that HW8 made up this story, thinking that there was no way his assertion could be refuted; but this has not been the case, as the above proves, beyond any doubt, that this has been a complete and utter fabrication on HW8's part; and he has now been called on it;



so HW8, you do realize what this makes you, right?





can you guess?...





it makes you...





are you ready for it?...





it makes you a...





oh, wait for it now...





that's right: it makes you...





a liar

that's right HW8, sad to say, it is you are the liar, that's the truth here: you had no leg to stand on and you knew it so you fabricated this story (one of how many, we can only wonder now), in order to cover your sore, burning red butt; and what better way you to try to cover your tracks, then by accusing everyone else of exactly what you yourself are guilty of; for all your talk about how you don't lie, you have been caught with your forum pants down, your shining, shreded butt a blinding beacon, branded with the word "LIAR" for all to see;

so now, dear boy, good fellow, ol' d1cky ol' chum, oh Knight of Knucklehead, it is crystal clear (thanks to the light of your iridescent butt) to everyone on the forum (and your "Kung Fu Friends" too, if you have the misfortune of having them over just now) that you, sir, are the liar, and what's more, a hypocrite, and it is now your credibility that is unequivocally, irrevocably shot, because you got caught in your lie, and regardless of what you post from now on, everyone now knows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is you, sir, who lies;

but, then again, I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone here...

FIRST OF ALL and as usual, you could have made your case in two paragraphs. I suppose, when you get nervous then you blabber even more than normal!

Secondly, let me jug your memory and test your HONESTY. Do you recall that shortly after the prank was iniciated by the knucklehead Ikfmdc, I PM-ed you, asking you to "turn off" your ignore button so that you could see that Ikfmdc's version of my posts were DOCTORED? At the time I really believed that you had me on ignore.

Then you posted my PM, that was directed to you and no one else, in the thread saying mokingly that you had never had me on ignore, implying that Ikfmdc had not doctored by posts to make me out as a racist, antisemetic.

[Talk about dishonesty and a breach of confidentiality! Your patients must really be stupid to trust you, or do you only treat brain damaged knuckle heads like unkokusai?]

Are you going to deny that the above did not happen????? Or are you going to be honest for the first time in a long time?

By the way, you could have deleted that post before the thread was closed!

And come to think of it, once the moderator realised of the gravity of your intellectually deprived prank, he DID delete some of the offensive posts. So, I can even give you the benefit of the doubt if you are convincing, that is!

So take a few minutes and sit down and try to endure the pain of your sore butt and see if you can remember your "public" reaction to my PRIVATE MESSAGE that was addressed to you! Because, that is when you denied having had me on ignore!

Furthermore, your mo has not been of someone who had me on ignore because you have a history of responding to my posts just because you "happened to see others quoting my comments".

You also have a history of saying you will never post to me again and yet here you are posting to me?

So honesty is not a forte in your character and you keep proving it.

Now ANSWER THE QUESTION, DO YOU REMEMBER THE PARTICULAR POST THAT YOU MADE IN RESPONSE TO MY PM????

AND STOP CLUTCHING AT STRAWS!!!!!


PS: Whatever you do, don't ever consider a career as a lawyer. You won't make it!

[cjurakpt]

FIRST OF ALL and as usual, etc. etc. evade, redirect, bring up irrelevant things, insult, posture, rant, froth, get nowhere

you have been proven a liar (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889882&postcount=312)

and also a hypocrite

that is all;

[lkfmdc]

In all seriousness, the level of trolling here is so LOW it isn't even fun anymore. I just ignore them, and I used to be troll slayer #1. Did it take so much effort to prove he is a liar and idiot? I thought we had establshed that pretty quickly?

Don't quote him, then those of us with "ignore" can pretend he died and rotted in the dark hungle

[HardWork8]

you have been proven a liar

and also a hypocrite

that is all;

By not replying to my question, it is you who has been proven a LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE, and more than a few times I might add!

Do you remember my PM to you that resulted in you posting publicly that you never had me on ignore or DO YOU NOT? ANSWER!

You have been caught participating in a disgusting and distasteful prank that involved you lying and being untruthful about my character!

You have backed the lies of Sanjuro_ronin who claimed to have proof my dishonesty in a Bulshido link! Have you read that link???? NO? I thought not!!!!

You have always been to ready to gang up on me with the rest of your glorified kickboxer gang - Sanjuro_ronin, SoCo Kung fu, Ikfmdc, who, like you, would not know real kung fu if it fell on them - even daring to call me a troll!

If you are so concerned about trolls, then please give me your opinion on your brain damaged forum cousin about whom you have been silent from the time I raised this questions. No where to go, huh? Well, it won't be the first time for you, just fabricate some lies as YOU ARE GOOD AT LYING, specially considering that your intelligence is below average, at best.

You are a despeakable and dubious character. You have constantly lied to me and have been untruthful, for months including in this thread and apparently are leaving this thread with another LIE under your belt!!!!

SHAME ON YOU CJURAKPT, SHAME ON YOU!

[cjurakpt]

more ranting, more raving, further loosening of already tenuous grip on reality

see above (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889940&postcount=315)

[HardWork8]

In all seriousness, the level of trolling here is so LOW it isn't even fun anymore. I just ignore them, and I used to be troll slayer #1. Did it take so much effort to prove he is a liar and idiot? I thought we had establshed that pretty quickly?

Don't quote him, then those of us with "ignore" can pretend he died and rotted in the dark hungle

Ikfmdc! The brain damaged kickboxer who INITIATED the ugly prank and who got a dire warning from the moderator!!! Yes, eveybody else is a troll,specially if they practice real kung fu, but not you.

By the way, your forum picture fits your character!

PS. I will decide who I put on ignore or don't put on ignore so don't give orders!

I actually think that kicking cjurakpt's butt in forum "discussions" will help him grow intellectually - and boy, does he need it!

[HardWork8]

see above (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889940&postcount=315)

I see that you have learnt the art of misquoting forum members from Ikfmdc, and you said that you had nothing esle to learn in this life.:rolleyes:

And from me you seem to have learnt to summarize your posts without loosing their essence. Unfortunately, the essence of your posts are untruthful fabrications (lies!) and untruthful projections that are meant to wrongfully depict you as more intelligent than you are!

But do keep on emptying your sinking ship with a wine glass. It is fun watching from where I am sitting.;)

Almost forgot, DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THE POST THAT YOU MADE, WHERE YOU STATED THAT YOU NEVER HAD ME ON IGNORE????

AGAIN, THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO PM THAT I HAD SENT YOU EARLIER ASKING YOU TO TURN OFF YOUR INGNORE!

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT REMEMBER CJURAKPT????

[cjurakpt]

more of the same

see above (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=889882&postcount=312)

[unkokusai]

Basement Boy won't just come out and admit what is now obvious, the same way he won't admit he is nothing but a beginner trying to make more of himself than he will ever be. He is just a dishonest, delusional, insecure, pathetic little joke and no matter what BS he posts here that is all he will ever be. In a part of his pea-brain he knows this, but he ignores and denies it because he isn't man enough to look at himself honestly.

[lkfmdc]

Basement Boy won't just come out and admit what is now obvious, the same way he won't admit he is nothing but a beginner trying to make more of himself than he will ever be. He is just a dishonest, delusional, insecure, pathetic little joke and no matter what BS he posts here that is all he will ever be. In a part of his pea-brain he knows this, but he ignores and denies it because he isn't man enough to look at himself honestly.

He took a real anal pounding when the guy he claims he studied under publicly demounced him and distanced himself from basement boy's comments. Wasn't that enough?

[HardWork8]

Basement Boy won't just come out and admit what is now obvious, the same way he won't admit he is nothing but a beginner trying to make more of himself than he will ever be. He is just a dishonest, delusional, insecure, pathetic little joke and no matter what BS he posts here that is all he will ever be. In a part of his pea-brain he knows this, but he ignores and denies it because he isn't man enough to look at himself honestly.































:rolleyes: LOL!LOL!LOL!

Listen Drool Boy, here is one piece of advice, it is always good to practice kung fu before making thousands of posts in a KUNG FU FORUM. It makes sense!

[HardWork8]

He took a real anal pounding when the guy he claims he studied under publicly demounced him and distanced himself from basement boy's comments. Wasn't that enough?
:rolleyes:

[unkokusai]

He took a real anal pounding when the guy he claims he studied under publicly demounced him and distanced himself from basement boy's comments. Wasn't that enough?



You would think it should be, but...

[unkokusai]

Basement Boy won't just come out and admit what is now obvious, the same way he won't admit he is nothing but a beginner trying to make more of himself than he will ever be. He is just a dishonest, delusional, insecure, pathetic little joke and no matter what BS he posts here that is all he will ever be. In a part of his pea-brain he knows this, but he ignores and denies it because he isn't man enough to look at himself honestly.




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[HardWork8]

I see that the same people (some of whom wrongly claim to practice kung fu) have raised their heads with some the same lies that got them a warning from the moderator of the kung fu threads. Lets wait and hope that they get themselves banned!

[unkokusai]

Basement Boy won't just come out and admit what is now obvious, the same way he won't admit he is nothing but a beginner trying to make more of himself than he will ever be. He is just a dishonest, delusional, insecure, pathetic little joke and no matter what BS he posts here that is all he will ever be. In a part of his pea-brain he knows this, but he ignores and denies it because he isn't man enough to look at himself honestly.




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[HardWork8]

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It is amazing that you have more than 2800 texts to your name in a kung fu forum, while you yourself don't practice kung fu.

And one can see how you have increase your post numbers by generally saying nothing or short statetments. It is a good trick.

However, I believe that Gene has taken his "Give Retards a Chance Policy" a little too far.:rolleyes: