Who's in Charge?

[seisei]

with all of talk of chan clan and hung sing I have seen somewhere on the web of some students bowing to jimmy (doc Fai)wong in China and some people have suggested that he is now in charge of the chan chot li fut and did many renovations there .is this true? or just rumor

[extrajoseph]

Bowing is a sign of respect, not neccessarily mean anyone in particular is in charge. Sometimes we have to pay a lot to get some respect, especially if it is not earned but that is not to say this is the case.

[seisei]

so,you are saying they are just showing him respect and he is not nessecarily in charge. thank you for the info
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[David Jamieson]

doc fai wong heads the plum blossom federation I believe. I also am pretty sure he has a few thousand payed subscribers worldwide and also directs quite a few schools in the teaching of choy li fut.

so, while he may not be the patron at the head of the pai, he is certainly "up there" as things go in that regards.

:-)

[jdhowland]

Wong Doc-Fai makes no claim to be in the position of a Chan family elder. He agreed, somewhat reluctantly, to be one of the teachers of a budding jeung mun. He has contributed to the restoration of of the founder's home and deserves to be honored for his dedication to the system.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Wong Doc-Fei is a good guy, try to not drag him into anything as he is not here defending himself or is involved in the discussions here.

This guy has done more for CLF than probably anyone on the planet right now. Don't hit the guy from behind. Love him or hate him, you can't take away from what the man has done.

I don't see him claiming to be an elder of anything, nor does he say that he's in 'charge' or anything, other than his own organization.

[seisei]

okay!
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[Ben Gash]

Grandmaster Wong is the teacher of Chan Siu Fung in King Mui, grandson of Chan Sun Chiu and great grandson of Chan Yiu Chi.
Grandmaster Wong has contributed greatly to the restoration of the traditional King Mui Kwoon, and is very passionate about promoting CLF in China.

[Drake]

Seisei,
He's GM Doc Fai Wong, not Jimmy Wong. He hasn't used that name since the 60's.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Seisei,
He's GM Doc Fai Wong, not Jimmy Wong. He hasn't used that name since the 60's.

Seisei, even if you knew him as Jimmy and you don't use the GM..I can see that. But you are being a bit disrespectful by using Jimmy. You guys are from the same school, no?

[seisei]

yes we had the same teacher,when we were younsters together.when we (me and other classmates) met him he introduced himself to us as jimmy nothing else,when he comes up in some of our conversations we still refer to him as jimmy it's all we knew him as ,its kinda hard to change since the mid 60's.and it's just a name that he named himself as i was told ,when he came to america.sifu even refer and called him jimmy,this is his name .this is not diminish his accomplishments,which i don't no very much about.still to this day those that knew him in san francisco call him and refer to him as jimmy when they see him which quite a few people.if he has nothing to do with my teaching s what would you like that i call him , by his last name? the he should address others in the same manner which he dosen't.basically he was in our kung fu family a brother so to speak as you would say on the forum so we would prefer to call our brother jim or jimmy which in our family is between us
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[CLFNole]

seisei:

No disrespect intended but you are chinese wouldn't you have called him "Fai Gaw" (Brother Fai) or something like that? I have lived with chinese people for over 10 years and when speaking amongst themselves they almost never use english or their english names, so I would think you guys did the same no? I know very few chinese that

Peace.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

or at least, "Ah Fei" ? No?

[hskwarrior]

look, most of u got this gm wong thing twisted. i know personally dfw doesn't like the name jimmy. but, we all have the sifu title's here but we speak to each other on first name basis. those who knew dfw as jimmy have no reason to call him or refer to him as gm or dfw. they new him as jimmy and will always refer to him as such. all my sisooks call him jimmy. i've heard it first hand. so to tell sei sei (my sisook gung) he has to call dfw gm or something else is arrogantly incorrect. he knew the man as jimmy! so why shouldn't he call him by what he knew him?

[hskwarrior]

lance, no one is being disrespectful when all they knew him as was jimmy. the name doc fai came much later.

[Drake]

lance, no one is being disrespectful when all they knew him as was jimmy. the name doc fai came much later.

No it didn't. I've asked the GM about this, actually. And BESIDES, if someone doesn't use the name and prefers not to use it, it IS disrespectful, regardless of seniority or whatever. You have missed the point entirely. His name is Doc Fai, not Jimmy. Is it too much to respect that or must we act like children when handling this issue?

[hskwarrior]

omg! drake, its a phuckin name! get over it already! i know him as dfw so i refer to him as such. dfw gave himself the name, not someone else. my sifu has a business card where he uses the name jimmy. the people that knew him will always call him by what they knew him by. you disciples can call him gm wong. but that won't change past.

[kup choi]

Your Sifu must be very proud of you, hope he doesn't read your posts :(

[Drake]

omg! drake, its a phuckin name! get over it already! i know him as dfw so i refer to him as such. dfw gave himself the name, not someone else. my sifu has a business card where he uses the name jimmy. the people that knew him will always call him by what they knew him by. you disciples can call him gm wong. but that won't change past.

Is this the same guy who got on my case for not referring to Master Lacey as "The General"?????

I swear... I should just fu jau you right in the ear for this!

[Eric Olson]

Is this the same guy who got on my case for not referring to Master Lacey as "The General"?????

I swear... I should just fu jau you right in the ear for this!

That's "Master General" to you buddy....

http://www.pantherfist.com/masterlacy.html

EO

[Drake]

Yet his last name is misspelled in the url...

[chasincharpchui]

Yet his last name is misspelled in the url...

don't you even start drake!

he's a pugilist
he's known as "the general"
And to you he is Master Lacey

If you don't wish to address him by his correct title, do not talk bout him, do not mention him.

do not pick at his spelling mistakes, because he is not known for his expertise in url

i don't know your GM but i always address him with the write title when i do refer to him.

this is between you and the ppl that call your GM a different name
do not fkn talk bout my sigung

[Drake]

don't you even start drake!

he's a pugilist
he's known as "the general"
And to you he is Master Lacey

If you don't wish to address him by his correct title, do not talk bout him, do not mention him.

do not pick at his spelling mistakes, because he is not known for his expertise in url

i don't know your GM but i always address him with the write title when i do refer to him.

this is between you and the ppl that call your GM a different name
do not fkn talk bout my sigung

You took a very small sentence WAY out of context. Sorry, but I'm not, nor will I ever be, intimidated by you. You can make up some supposed disrespect all you want, but your post is both ignorant and poorly defended.

And I DID properly address your teacher, sucka. Try again! :D

[Lama Pai Sifu]

If you don't wish to address him by his correct title, do not talk bout him, do not mention him.

Didn't he? He just used 'General' and 'Master' in the same sentence. What did he do wrong?



do not fkn talk bout my sigung

C'mon, it's an open forum, how are you going to tell someone on here not to talk about someone else?? He's not being disrespectful...maybe a little sarcastic, but who isn't? Cut him some slack...

[Drake]

Thanks for the assist, Sifu Parrella, but this is my bag of rabid weasels to deal with. It's just a stupid attempt at intimidation, which, for someone in my line of work, doesn't work on.

I didn't disrespect anyone, and he knows it. He's just puffing his chest and acting like he is the great defender of the honor of buk sing. Even if there was no insult thrown, he'll make **** sure it looked like it.

I do HOPE Master Lacey sees this and how immature and rude his students are being. Sorry... was that disrespectful towards him too? :p

[chasincharpchui]

Thanks for the assist, Sifu Parrella, but this is my bag of rabid weasels to deal with. It's just a stupid attempt at intimidation, which, for someone in my line of work, doesn't work on.

I didn't disrespect anyone, and he knows it. He's just puffing his chest and acting like he is the great defender of the honor of buk sing. Even if there was no insult thrown, he'll make **** sure it looked like it.

I do HOPE Master Lacey sees this and how immature and rude his students are being. Sorry... was that disrespectful towards him too? :p

Yet his last name is misspelled in the url...

well my point out the misspell?

[Drake]

Honestly, I never even thought Master Lacey personally set up his webpage. Most people hire someone else to do it for them. I was pointing out how Frank was trying to diminish the "Jimmy Wong" incident, while at the same time upset with me over not using a nickname. It seemed hypocritical. I was pointing out that if names were so **** important, then you'd think the website programmer wouldn't mispell Master Lacey's name.

Personally, I'm under the impression that neither GM DFW OR Master Lacey are really concerned about this. They've proven themselves and it doesn't matter what you call them, because their actions have spoken louder than titles or names.

I don't have any problem with the buk sing branch, and I actually admire their fighting spirit. However, I don't back down. Ever. I was wrong last time because I really blew something out of proportion. But this time, there was no disrespect towards your teacher.

[chasincharpchui]

Didn't he? He just used 'General' and 'Master' in the same sentence. What did he do wrong?




C'mon, it's an open forum, how are you going to tell someone on here not to talk about someone else?? He's not being disrespectful...maybe a little sarcastic, but who isn't? Cut him some slack...

you know what i would love to see some guy on this forum be sarcastic bout ur late master and see if you don't get defensive, see how u can cut him some slack

[Eric Olson]

well my point out the misspell?

That's not a complete sentence...or one that even makes sense.

EO

[chasincharpchui]

Honestly, I never even thought Master Lacey personally set up his webpage. Most people hire someone else to do it for them. I was pointing out how Frank was trying to diminish the "Jimmy Wong" incident, while at the same time upset with me over not using a nickname. It seemed hypocritical. I was pointing out that if names were so **** important, then you'd think the website programmer wouldn't mispell Master Lacey's name.

Personally, I'm under the impression that neither GM DFW OR Master Lacey are really concerned about this. They've proven themselves and it doesn't matter what you call them, because their actions have spoken louder than titles or names.

I don't have any problem with the buk sing branch, and I actually admire their fighting spirit. However, I don't back down. Ever. I was wrong last time because I really blew something out of proportion. But this time, there was no disrespect towards your teacher.

hey fair enuff, i just mistook your sarcasm
i do apologize.

[Lama Pai Sifu]

you know what i would love to see some guy on this forum be sarcastic bout ur late master and see if you don't get defensive, see how u can cut him some slack

1. Dead people can't defend themselves, it's not the same thing.

2. It's happened many times here and I don't feel I have to defend my teacher. I've gotten annoyed about it sometimes, but it's kinda pointless. Most people on here are anonymous or are so far away...

[Drake]

No big deal. It's hard to know what the other person is thinking when you're on these boards. Sometimes things get misinterpreted. So... where the heck were we before this all went crazy?

[chasincharpchui]

That's not a complete sentence...or one that even makes sense.

EO

Taken me off ignore?

Learnt how to fight yet?

There you go Fu-Pow, make sense?

[chasincharpchui]

No big deal. It's hard to know what the other person is thinking when you're on these boards. Sometimes things get misinterpreted. So... where the heck were we before this all went crazy?

U guys were still debating the respectful way to address GM WDF

[Eddie]

Drake, you didn’t like it when people made small of your Master, I don’t think its fair of you to do the same of Master Lacey.

You’re a military man. Addressing people with rank shouldn’t be an issue.

This fight is dangerously close to getting out of hand. Involving outside people can only get nasty. Remember a few years back when Master Lacey had some issues with other posters?

Martial Arts taught me respect. I’ve also learned that you should never burn your bridges, as you never know who you would need or meet in the future.

[chasincharpchui]

Drake, you didn’t like it when people made small of your Master, I don’t think its fair of you to do the same of Master Lacey.

You’re a military man. Addressing people with rank shouldn’t be an issue.

This fight is dangerously close to getting out of hand. Involving outside people can only get nasty. Remember a few years back when Master Lacey had some issues with other posters?

Martial Arts taught me respect. I’ve also learned that you should never burn your bridges, as you never know who you would need or meet in the future.

thankx eddie

i think ur lagging a bit, its all sorted now

now lets get back to topic=)

[Drake]

It's not even so much about titles. It's just the fact that the man doesn't use the name anymore. As in... hasn't used it for decades. Frank calls him plain old DFW all the time. That's fine. It's just sort of rude to use an old name, especially when the person prefers, and hasn't preferred for some time, to use it. This isn't even about him being my teacher. I'd bring this up about anyone, you know?

[Drake]

Drake, you didn’t like it when people made small of your Master, I don’t think its fair of you to do the same of Master Lacey.

You’re a military man. Addressing people with rank shouldn’t be an issue.

This fight is dangerously close to getting out of hand. Involving outside people can only get nasty. Remember a few years back when Master Lacey had some issues with other posters?

Martial Arts taught me respect. I’ve also learned that you should never burn your bridges, as you never know who you would need or meet in the future.

You are about 10 posts behind the power curve, Eddie.

[Eddie]

sorry. i see that. I was on page 2 and thought it was the last page.
but least i got a few words in. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

Drake, you didn’t like it when people made small of your Master, I don’t think its fair of you to do the same of Master Lacey.

You’re a military man. Addressing people with rank shouldn’t be an issue.

This fight is dangerously close to getting out of hand. Involving outside people can only get nasty. Remember a few years back when Master Lacey had some issues with other posters?

Martial Arts taught me respect. I’ve also learned that you should never burn your bridges, as you never know who you would need or meet in the future.

Oh, and Eddie... please show me where in this thread I have failed to mention Master Lacey as anything BUT?

[Drake]

sorry. i see that. I was on page 2 and thought it was the last page.
but least i got a few words in. :rolleyes:

I like this.... it's like during the Civil War when folks in the Gulf of Mexico kept fighting because they didn't know the war was over..

[Eddie]

leats im one of the last men standing... or am I?

[Drake]

I don't think anybody fell down, actually.

[Eddie]

dont go and spoil my glory!!!

Chasingcharpchoi, my wife is in HK as we speak. You in HK now? Shes living at Sifu Chows place till he gets back and will then live at his sons house

[Drake]

This is all Seisei's fault!

[Eddie]

But in his defense, siesei seems to be GM Wong’s pier and ex class mate. I’d think that in 30 years time, I’d probably do the same to my class mates and piers.

But I also think that this whole topic was kinda ripped out of proportion.

Sesei seems sincere enough, and perhaps his intentions were never to belittle anyone.

[seisei]

Eddie
as you said in your statement is true.thank you.
have a good day m

[Drake]

All I'm saying is... for example... say you used to call yourself Wally Winky. Well, time passed and the ol' WW just wasn't working, so you changed it to Phil. Now, 30 years later, someone starts calling you Wally Winky again, and you aren't particularly fond of it. There's the problem. I say again...it's not about his rank in the food chain. It's just rude and a bit weird, if you ask me.

[seisei]

Drake, not wanting to engage in any problems with anyone but i will explain my/our point of view jimmy to many of us he is our junior classmate when we reminse about him or hear about him we refer to him as jimmy and have not changed in decades no one knew or paid attention to his emphasis on the new used name . many of us are old now and old habits are hard to change .we did not think he wanted so badly to be called grandmaster or doc fai,we looked at him as our classmate/friend nothing else the only ones we looked up to was our senior classmates and our teacher,and that was only in the privacy of the school,my sifu would be embarassed at all the attention and titles given a sifu in nowadays we consider ourselves tradional chinese event though i spent most of my life in usa and lost most of the old ways, no insult is meant but i doubt if i or my other classmates will change the their habits any time soon,we will still consider him our friend/classmate regardless so will many of those in the old chinese community i'm 64 now and many of my classmates(who still practice privatly are in their 70's to 90's sifu had many students at different times 1940's thru the 1960's many before jimmy was born, i also doubt if they will change either.
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[Eric Olson]

Taken me off ignore?

Learnt how to fight yet?

There you go Fu-Pow, make sense?

I take anonymous internet criticism about as seriously as I take the smell of my own ****s.

What was your name again?

EO

BTW, you gotta love the tag for this thread (not created by me.)

[iron_silk]

All I'm saying is... for example... say you used to call yourself Wally Winky. Well, time passed and the ol' WW just wasn't working, so you changed it to Phil. Now, 30 years later, someone starts calling you Wally Winky again, and you aren't particularly fond of it. There's the problem. I say again...it's not about his rank in the food chain. It's just rude and a bit weird, if you ask me.

Drake

If Seisei is GM DFW's pier and since DFW last told him to call him Jimmy then Jimmy is it. If DFW does not like to be called Jimmy than it would be up to DFW to correct his senior classmate. That is proper way to be done in terms of manner and respect in general.

However it is not in your position to correct Seisei. You can inform the general public that DFW may have disclosed to you that he no longers likes to be called Jimmy but that is the limit since no one is trying to insult him here.

Since Jimmy started between Seisei and DFW then it should also end with them. I.e. not you....Period.

[seisei]

iron_silk,
thanks,but if they just check hsk warrior's last post with photos they should understand.
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[Drake]

Oh, like any martial artist with a shred of dignity would come on this board, much less post anything!

:eek::eek::eek:

:D:D:D

[Drake]

look, i'm only putting this up here to prove a point. I will take this down in 3 days.

a young doc fai wong helping his classmates under Jew Leong (http://hshlk.zoomshare.com/album/our%20album/images/53bf3875c55a80f2f32a5078a1808f0e_12114032580/:album?css=/lib/style/helvetica.css&css=/lib/style/type_album.css&css=files/custom.css)

DFW's old Business card (http://hshlk.zoomshare.com/album/our%20album/images/fd7430cffceb135fe9608cd606b0b260_12114032120/:album?css=/lib/style/helvetica.css&css=/lib/style/type_album.css&css=files/custom.css)

I apologize to GM DFW is this upsets him, but its just to show no one is trying to insult him.

I will take this down by friday.

Like I said, Frank.. he USED to use that name. That's it, I give up!

[Eddie]

Oh, like any martial artist with a shred of dignity would come on this board, much less post anything!

:eek::eek::eek:

:D:D:D

Speak for yourself! ;)

Actually, this place is flooded with respected and very influential martial artists :
Extrajoseph, CLFNole, Lama Pie Sifu, LKFMDC, Frank … just to name a few.

Just because they (or some) becomes very passionate when they reply, doesn’t make them less of a martial artist.

[Drake]

Speak for yourself! ;)

Actually, this place is flooded with respected and very influential martial artists :
Extrajoseph, CLFNole, Lama Pie Sifu, LKFMDC, Frank … just to name a few.

Just because they (or some) becomes very passionate when they reply, doesn’t make them less of a martial artist.

Lama pie? Is that anything like apple pie?

[cerebus]

All I'm saying is... for example... say you used to call yourself Wally Winky. Well, time passed and the ol' WW just wasn't working, so you changed it to Phil. Now, 30 years later, someone starts calling you Wally Winky again, and you aren't particularly fond of it. There's the problem. I say again...it's not about his rank in the food chain. It's just rude and a bit weird, if you ask me.

No, actually calling oneself "Williy Winky" in the first place is what's weird..... :D

[CLFNole]

Eddie:

Let's get something straight ... I am neither respected nor influential. :D

By the way, any update on the potential move?

[Drake]

Eddie:

Let's get something straight ... I am neither respected nor influential. :D

By the way, any update on the potential move?


But you DO have a great singing voice!

[lkfmdc]

I'd like to thank the academy for this nomination, it's been a long road and there are so many little people who along the way I've just forgotten about, but today, receiving this award, I know, deep down inside, that you like me, you really like me :p

I am extremely influential, I probably drive in one way or another about half the chit chat on here ;)

Respected? pffffffff..... hardly..... :mad:

[CLFNole]

Drake:

You have heard my Rock Band performance of Radiohead's "Creep" then? Man, I have to look around better for that bug you have in my living room.

[Drake]

Drake:

You have heard my Rock Band performance of Radiohead's "Creep" then? Man, I have to look around better for that bug you have in my living room.

It's your falsetto, man. Every time you hit that high part near the end... it just makes my heart explode...

[Drake]

And as for the bug...

Hint #1: It's not in your home, per se.

Hint #2: It's not smart to sleep in the nude when someone is looking for a place to plant surveillance equipment.

Hint #3: Performing a deep lau ma is like hitting the mute button.

[banditshaw]

So, who's in charge?

:cool::D:(:p :rolleyes:

The Master General??:eek:

:cool::D

[CLFNole]

Darn government surveillance satellites!!! :eek:

[Eddie]

Eddie:

Let's get something straight ... I am neither respected nor influential. :D

By the way, any update on the potential move?

You are both. I respect you, and you have had allot of influence on me (which in turn has influenced a few thousand students down here).

juist shut up and accept your award!

:cool:

[Eddie]

I'd like to thank the academy for this nomination, it's been a long road and there are so many little people who along the way I've just forgotten about, but today, receiving this award, I know, deep down inside, that you like me, you really like me :p

I am extremely influential, I probably drive in one way or another about half the chit chat on here ;)

Respected? pffffffff..... hardly..... :mad:

There are people on this forum who actually do respect others and who do see the good in other people.

While I agree your ways might often be a little over the top, your views on MA arent as far fetched and silly as others might make it out to be. I consider myself a practical martial artist, and usually agree with most of what you say.

Respected and influential indeed.

[nospam]

..love in the air, better than **** hitting the fan.

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

[extrajoseph]

look, i'm only putting this up here to prove a point. I will take this down in 3 days.

I apologize to GM DFW is this upsets him, but its just to show no one is trying to insult him.

I will take this down by friday.

Hi Frank,

Well done, now I hope you can appreciate the use of evidence in supporting your point of view.

XJ

[hskwarrior]

joseph, we can hi jack this thread, or we can show the rest of the world that clf can't stop arguing over one small aspect of what clf is about. its not about jeung yim, chan heung or tam sam. they aren't here, and neither was my direct teacher. so we can discuss clf as it was passed down to us in our direct lineages, or continue to stupify ourselves over the distant past. im done arguing over history. i know mine, i can only hope you know yours. we don't agree.....lets leave it at that, or get back to arguing. you tell me. whats your poison?

[extrajoseph]

Frank,

My position is very simple, if you have a theory or if you want to change history, then collect some prime source evidence to support your case. People attacked you about the use of the term "Jimmy" with WDF, you showed them his old business card, then there is no argument.

Can you not see this is how things are done in an intelligent and honest way?

XJ

[seisei]

I rest my case M

[Seppukku]

I'm in charge.

Any questions?