Weight Supplement that works?

[Mantis_Student]

Hi guys. Long story short. Im a big fatty mcfatterton. Ok its not that bad but I do want to get into shape. I am taking Kung-Fu classes at the community center and lifting weights after class. This is done twice a week and will increase to 3 times per week after a month or two. I have also adjusted my diet and I am losing weight. But I would like to maximize my hard work with some kind of work out supplement. Can anyone recommend something? I was thinking of trying Hyrdroxycut. Thanks.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

my buddy had a lot of luck with hydroxycut, but i've never used anything like that personally.

my training in the weight room aproaches masochisim more often than not, and the only sups i use are ON whey and L-glutamine. i used creatine briefly, but my kidneys started hurting on two seperate cycles of taking it.

best advice is to train hard and eat clean and often. try for 4 or 5 small meals a day, keeping in mind that a "meal" may mean an apple and a half a cup of cottage cheese.

also - raw eggs. natures perfect fast food - quick, easy, clean protein. they have no taste and it doesnt take long to get past the texture. a few raw eggs and your choice of cereal/oats = very quick and easy breakfast. i personally do up some fiberone with fresh berries and nuts.

[bodhitree]

add some cardio AFTER lifting. You burn more fat if you do cardio after lifting. Limit high GI carbs except immediately before or after your workout, exception being fresh fruits and veggies. Keep up the work, some times results take some time. Drink lots of water and tea!

[HtownShaolinBum]

None of the products available for weight loss work for crap because all the good ones are illegal now.

Do what I am now trying to do to get lean. Eat Vietnamese food. You ever see a fat vietnamese guy? Didnt think so.

[Drake]

Cut out fast/fried/processed foods. Enforce portion control. Cut out soda. Do cardio 3 times a week for no less than 30 mins, and lift for endurance, not bulk (more reps, less weight).

There's no quick solution, there's no magic potion, hidden secret, or radical overhaul needed. You are consuming more calories than you are burning. It's a long road back to where you need to be, and it'll be much slower taking it off than putting it on.

[Mantis_Student]

Ok do cardio after lifting weights. I will try that.

I am very aware of portion control now. I have cut out the fast food (well I do enjoy the boneless buffalo wings at chilis once a week still. And sometimes I dont have time to make a lunch and I buy my lunch. Buuuut Im ALOT better now). I make alot of my own food now. I have also cut out the sodas. When I do drink a soda it is always diet. Whats a GI carb?

Vietnamese food-lol

I never considered lifting for endurance but that would be alot smarter because I would think you could last longer in a fight no?

[Drake]

Ok do cardio after lifting weights. I will try that.

I am very aware of portion control now. I have cut out the fast food (well I do enjoy the boneless buffalo wings at chilis once a week still. And sometimes I dont have time to make a lunch and I buy my lunch. Buuuut Im ALOT better now). I make alot of my own food now. I have also cut out the sodas. When I do drink a soda it is always diet. Whats a GI carb?

Vietnamese food-lol

I never considered lifting for endurance but that would be alot smarter because I would think you could last longer in a fight no?


You need a restraining order from Chilis. There is nothing good for you there. Even their "healthy" stuff will make you fat.

[bodhitree]

GI is glycemic index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index), it's basically a numeric value for how fast the sugars in foods are digested (and thus how quickly blood sugar and insulin levels rise). Low GI foods (meats, whole wheats and grains, brown rice, some vegetables, nuts, etc) do not spike your blood sugar/insulin, therefore less of the sugar is stored as fat.





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[bodhitree]

Habit 1: Eat every 2-3 hours.

Habit 2: Eat complete, lean protein with each feeding opportunity.

Habit 3: Eat vegetables with each feeding opportunity.

Habit 4: Eat veggies/fruits with any meal. Eat "other carbs" only after exercise.

Habit 5: Eat healthy fats daily.

Habit 6: Don't drink beverages (soda, beer, etc.) with more than 0 calories.

Habit 7: Eat whole foods whenever possible. John Berardi

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Ok do cardio after lifting weights. I will try that.

I am very aware of portion control now. I have cut out the fast food (well I do enjoy the boneless buffalo wings at chilis once a week still. And sometimes I dont have time to make a lunch and I buy my lunch. Buuuut Im ALOT better now). I make alot of my own food now. I have also cut out the sodas. When I do drink a soda it is always diet. Whats a GI carb?

Vietnamese food-lol

I never considered lifting for endurance but that would be alot smarter because I would think you could last longer in a fight no?
first thing, you dont want to "lift for endurance." ever. endurance athletes approach strength training differently, but never as an endurance exercise. you gotta separate the two.

if you aren't cutting for a fight or something of the like, i'd follow the 90/10 rule. 90% of the food you eat should follow your plan without exception, while the other 10% can be whatever you want. dave tate can attest to the effectiveness of this regimen. story (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1051590)

also ... i have no idea why doing cardio after lifting would burn more fat, but a lot of top level bodybuilders do it, so it mustn't hurt. i've seen arguments supporting both sides, but i don't know enough about it to make a judgment either way. i personally would rather do it on an alternate day, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with doing it after lifting either. some say it helps to flush out the lactic acid as well.

keep in mind that cardio doesn't have to be long drawn out sessions either. because of my training goals, i personally prefer HIIT. instead of jogging at a steady pace for 30 - 60 mins, you sprint for 30 seconds, jog for 30 seconds, repeat. a trainin session would last 15 mins at most - sometimes less. HIIT effectively trains the heart and lungs, while also working fast twitch muscle fibers. the difference between fast and slow twitch muscle fibers is the difference between sprinters (http://www.monkeybargym.com/cart/images/power_sprinter_large.jpg) and marathon runners. (http://www.swiftfeetaz.com/mike_running_lt.jpg) a lot of people argue that HIIT is also more efficient for fat loss. of course, your training goals may be different from mine. you may desire the benefits of endurance training, but i just wanted to let you know the option was there.

more info and a HIIT program: http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp

[HtownShaolinBum]

first thing, you dont want to "lift for endurance." ever. endurance athletes approach strength training differently, but never as an endurance exercise. you gotta separate the two.



Ever heard of Body Pump? There is absolutely no separation of the two at all when you do it the right way. Body pump is great for strength and endurance (believe me, endurance is the key to getting through body pump classes) Body pump will make you very lean and strong, and not bulky at all AkA no man boobs, which I think look stupid.

To the original poster: I do not recommend super heavy lifting in any scenario, unless you are a bodybuilder and are obsessed with being big.

Cutting out lifting completely, on the other hand, is not good either. You gotta find the middle ground.

[Vash]

Ever heard of Body Pump? There is absolutely no separation of the two at all when you do it the right way. Body pump is great for strength and endurance (believe me, endurance is the key to getting through body pump classes) Body pump will make you very lean and strong, and not bulky at all AkA no man boobs, which I think look stupid.

To the original poster: I do not recommend super heavy lifting in any scenario, unless you are a bodybuilder and are obsessed with being big.

Cutting out lifting completely, on the other hand, is not good either. You gotta find the middle ground.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yp8Y4O5CEy4

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Seriously?

I'm all for group exercises, I mean, at least the newbies are moving, but seriously? I can't imagine a more difficult way of learning the proper lifting method ( I saw little-*****-hump/rows, I'm-too-sexy-for-my-shirt-shrugs-with-the-useless-and-dangerous-forward-roll, and a weight which, if the lifts are learned correctly, will be inconsequential for the power movements.

And it's BodyPump.

Will my gym have it? Hell yes. Uber moneys. Will I be happy about it? Hell no.

As far as lifting "super-heavy-weight . . ." one need not be obsessed with growth to desire a larger frame. Muscle doesn't slow one down, it's what moves the bones.

And makes titty-dancin' a titty-dancin' good time.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yp8Y4O5CEy4

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Seriously?

I'm all for group exercises, I mean, at least the newbies are moving, but seriously? I can't imagine a more difficult way of learning the proper lifting method ( I saw little-*****-hump/rows, I'm-too-sexy-for-my-shirt-shrugs-with-the-useless-and-dangerous-forward-roll, and a weight which, if the lifts are learned correctly, will be inconsequential for the power movements.

And it's BodyPump.

Will my gym have it? Hell yes. Uber moneys. Will I be happy about it? Hell no.

As far as lifting "super-heavy-weight . . ." one need not be obsessed with growth to desire a larger frame. Muscle doesn't slow one down, it's what moves the bones.

And makes titty-dancin' a titty-dancin' good time.

jesus dude ... i saw that you were the last person to respond to this thread ... then i read the body pump post ... and i almost quit the internet. im glad i caught my mistake .... i would have died a little inside.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Ever heard of Body Pump? There is absolutely no separation of the two at all when you do it the right way. Body pump is great for strength and endurance (believe me, endurance is the key to getting through body pump classes) Body pump will make you very lean and strong, and not bulky at all AkA no man boobs, which I think look stupid.

To the original poster: I do not recommend super heavy lifting in any scenario, unless you are a bodybuilder and are obsessed with being big.

Cutting out lifting completely, on the other hand, is not good either. You gotta find the middle ground.

*sigh*

i dont even know where to begin with this post. in fact, i dont think i even want to bother. ignorance is one thing, but please don't fall for gimicks and believe all they myths. just a little research will do.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

To the original poster: I do not recommend super heavy lifting in any scenario, unless you are a bodybuilder and are obsessed with being big.


i couldn't help it ....


world records for men 132lbs:
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/132-men

squat:
1. 705.5 (320.0) 5.33X Magnus Karlsson (Sweden/67) 10/2/99 (320.0 kg.) (Malmo, Sweden) (IPF)

bench:
1. 490.5 (222.5) *3.73X Ayrat Zakiyev (Russia/81) 5/25/06 (222.5 kg. @ 59.6 kg.) (Miskolc, Hungary) (IPF)

deadlift:
1. 683.4 (310.0) *5.17X Lamar Gant (US/57) 11/11/88 (310.0 kg. @ 60.0 kg.) (Perth, Australia) (USPF/IPF)


the 148s are even more impressive.

squat:
1. 804.7 (365.0) *5.50X Thomas James “T.J.” Hoerner (US/77) 4/1/06 (365.0 kg. @ 146.2 lb.) (Houston, Texas) (APF)

bench:
1. 600.0 (272.2) 4.03X Joe Ceklovsky (US/75) 1/20/08 (600.0 lb.) (Carteret, New Jersey) (IPA)

deadlift:
1. 705.5 (320.0) *4.74X Dan Austin (US/58) 8/1/92 (320.0 kg. @ 67.5 kg.) (Raleigh, North Carolina) (USPF)



lifting "super heavy" is not the goal of the bodybuilder. lifting superheavy is the goal of those who want to be strong ... and not everyone who wants to be strong wants to be big. if bodybuilders lifted super heavy all of the time, they would all look like powerlifters. a bodybuilders routine is closer to "body pump" than it is to super heavy lifting .... except that its not ghey.

[edit] holy hell ... i hadn't watched the video yet. i retract the statement about a bodybuilders routine being in any way, shape, or form akin to body pump. i thought they would be doing a bunch of high rep stuff in succession to get a pump going and maintain it. that's not at all what that was. for ****'s sake whats wrong with the fitness world?

[HtownShaolinBum]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yp8Y4O5CEy4

. . .

Seriously?

I'm all for group exercises, I mean, at least the newbies are moving, but seriously? I can't imagine a more difficult way of learning the proper lifting method ( I saw little-*****-hump/rows, I'm-too-sexy-for-my-shirt-shrugs-with-the-useless-and-dangerous-forward-roll, and a weight which, if the lifts are learned correctly, will be inconsequential for the power movements.

And it's BodyPump.

Will my gym have it? Hell yes. Uber moneys. Will I be happy about it? Hell no.

As far as lifting "super-heavy-weight . . ." one need not be obsessed with growth to desire a larger frame. Muscle doesn't slow one down, it's what moves the bones.

And makes titty-dancin' a titty-dancin' good time.

Go to a body pump class and really push yourself THEN tell me it is a joke. Plus, I am not necessarily saying Body Pump is amazing, I was just responding to the post that said that strength training and cardio HAVE TO BE SEPARATE. It is simply not true. And btw, did you try to find THE WORST possible body pump video? Those people are total mongos.

And yes, people who desire a larger frame are, 90% of the time, obsessed with growth. I've seen it over and over and over. People who start lifting and say "oh, I dont really want to get big" and then later they are drinking nasty protein powders and taking all kind of supplements and worrying all the time if they are getting enough protein. Bodybuilding is a big joke and the only ones who arent laughing are the gym rats because they are too busy flexing in a mirror and obsessing that their (insert muscle group) arent big enough.

And I didnt say that muslce slows one down. Dont know where you got that. I just said that bulk looks dumb. LOOK AT ME, I AM THE INCREDIBLE BULK!

Now that I think of it though, have you ever seen a massive bodybuilder or power lifter try to sprint? They can't. Granted now, I am talking about steroid freaks here, not natural body builders, but it is FREAKING HILARIOUS. They are so slow and awkward and their legs are so big that they kind of have to waddle. Proof that yes, muscle CAN slow you down... if you are an idiot.

[HtownShaolinBum]

i couldn't help it ....



lifting "super heavy" is not the goal of the bodybuilder. lifting superheavy is the goal of those who want to be strong ... and not everyone who wants to be strong wants to be big. if bodybuilders lifted super heavy all of the time, they would all look like powerlifters. a bodybuilders routine is closer to "body pump" than it is to super heavy lifting .... except that its not ghey.

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You can call me ignorant if you want. I call you ignorant. You say that body pump is retarded. How about all the retards I see at the free weights at the gym. I could go into it, but no need. And BTW, I am not trying to say that Body Pump is amazing, simply that strength and endurance training do not HAVE to be separate. Sure, body pump will not make you able to lift a car over your head, but it does make you strong and it does give you mad endurance. I think that your definition of strength training is a bit extreme.

And bodybuilders do lift very heavy. They lift super heavy with lots of reps. Have you ever been to a gym? My friend who is obsessed with bodybuilding throws 300 pounds on the bench and does 4 sets with increasing reps. It is ridiculous. He is huge. He looks roided, but says he is not. If he hasnt lifted in a couple days, he starts complaining that his shoulders hurt. I WONDER WHY!

Sure, they dont do as much as power lifters, but who the hell does?

I will say again: Go to a bodypump class, really push yourself and then tell me it is "ghey" Bet you wont do it because you dont want to be proven wrong and you'll just make some excuse like "oh, its ghey.." "Oh, look at the Ghey instructors ghey shorts". My class is taught by a woman who is quite attractive, so no gheyness here.

And yes, we do high reps in succession. How is this a gimmick. Tell me, please What is gimmicky about it. You are taking weights and *SHOCKER* lifting them, ALOT. To complete failure. That is like saying that jogging is a gimmick. Boxing is a gimmick. Cycling is a gimmick. This is fun, I could do this all day. I have gotten stronger and have better endurance as a result. Again, it is not amazing. It is very very straightforward.

WHERE IS THE GIMMICK? The fact that the creators made alot of money? That is not a gimmick. Oh right, there is no gimmick, you just thought that was a totally neato word and decided it would make you sound all smart. Well, haha, charade you are!

Is that you in your avatar? Sorry man, that was too easy. Don't get all fired up now. It is a joke.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

**** it .... im drunk .... here igo ...

I think that your definition of strength training is a bit extreme.


its not extreme ... its just whats been proven to be the most effective and efficient over the last 80 years or so. sticking red hot rods up your urethra is extreme .... lifting heavy is just smart.

I was just responding to the post that said that strength training and cardio HAVE TO BE SEPARATE. It is simply not true.

you couldnt be more wrong if you expected that homeless guy to give you a hand job after you gave him a pint of mad dog. pick up a ****ing anatomy and physiology book or at least use google. you can not .... i repeat can not have the best of both worlds. you can be great at one or decent at both .... and decent at both may serve your training goals but the training is still segregated for the most part. strongman training has the closest one can come to having the best of both worlds, and there's a reason why few people can take that kind of training.

And bodybuilders do lift very heavy. They lift super heavy with lots of reps. Have you ever been to a gym?


i've never been to the type of gym where they do c0ck pumping, but i have been to a gym where a guy squated 495 for 10 reps. he gave the guy who could squat 700 for a single mad props.

Sure, they dont do as much as power lifters, but who the hell does?

it doesnt matter what powerlifters do. what they lift is still "light" for them, or they wouldnt be pumping out 8 - 12 reps with it, for multiple sets, with as little rest as they can get away with.


I will say again: Go to a bodypump class

no. i will lift for strength and do other things like sprinting, sled dragging, boxing, jiujitsu, gymnastics, humping your grandmother, and pretend parkour for cardio.

My class is taught by a woman who is quite attractive, so no gheyness here.

im sorry, but there is. you are teh ghey. if you weren't youd be lifting with the real men, and asking that girl for her number. unless of course your spoken for .... in which case you'd give her a wink when she caught you flexing.

And yes, we do high reps in succession. How is this a gimmick. Tell me, please What is gimmicky about it.

its the next new thing that will never replace the tried and true. im all about progression .... but it cant defy physiology.

You are taking weights and *SHOCKER* lifting them, ALOT. To complete failure. That is like saying that jogging is a gimmick. Boxing is a gimmick. Cycling is a gimmick. This is fun, I could do this all day. I have gotten stronger and have better endurance as a result. Again, it is not amazing. It is very very straightforward.

no ... thats like saying doing regular pushups all day long will keep augmenting your strength. pushups are great ... and if you want to do them all day long you'll gain mad endurance. but everyone knows that the strength gains stop at a certain point. the same with lifting weights "ALOT." strength gains will taper off and only endurance wil be worked. you fail at your analogys as well. no one would ever say that boxing or jogging would make you stronger. they make you better at boxing and jogging. which is great ... but itsnot strength training. you got stronger from c0ck throbbing because you were weak to begin with.

just thought that was a totally neato word and decided it would make me sound stupid. GOOD JOB.

Is that you in your avatar? Sorry man, that was too easy. Don't get all fired up now. It is a joke.

thats my little brother .. who happened to win the 2004 special olympics. but thanks for making fun of him.

[Drake]

There's nothing bad about lifting for endurance. There's two factors in muscular development. Strength and endurance. This is straight from Army Field Manual 21-20. I'm military, and this is how I train. It promotes weight loss, not weight gain, and at the same time builds stamina. I've trained dozens of Soldiers who were at one time bordeline PT failures and brought them into excellence.
As for cardio, doing cardio after lifting maximizes fat loss, which is what the original point of this was before it was lost in a mess of people trying to make the other look bad.

This is how I work out, and I've recently earned the Army Physical Fitness Excellence badge as a result. Nobody has to listen to me, but I strongly advise it.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

There's nothing bad about lifting for endurance.

theres nothing wrong with it if endurance and GPP is your goal, but at some point you stop getting stronger. even the crossfit guys, who i admire a great deal, will stop gaining maximal strength at some point. endurance and GPP are much more important attributes for a soldier, and the training reflects that. this type of training is in line with the appropriate goals, so its absolutely fine.

however, if civilian wants to lift to get stronger and change his body shape, the most efficient thing to do is seperate the strength training from the cardio. you can do the cardio after your strength training, but you dont want to turn your strength training into cardio.

your style or crossfit style of training may be in line with the original posters goals, and i actually conceded to that in my original post.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

There's nothing bad about lifting for endurance.

also ... i resepct the military a great deal, but body pump? come on man ..... would you have your soldiers do that ****?

[Drake]

also ... i resepct the military a great deal, but body pump? come on man ..... would you have your soldiers do that ****?

What's body pump?

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

What's body pump?

it's what started the debate. vash posted a video of it ... admittedly the video was really bad even for what it is.

basically they give you a barbell and have you do aerobics. in and of itself it might not be so bad for those who want to "tone up," but unless it was used as a recovery meathod (which might actually work well), it has little value to a real athlete.

[Drake]

it's what started the debate. vash posted a video of it ... admittedly the video was really bad even for what it is.

basically they give you a barbell and have you do aerobics. in and of itself it might not be so bad for those who want to "tone up," but unless it was used as a recovery meathod (which might actually work well), it has little value to a real athlete.

No, I was recommending actual weight lifting, just using more reps with a lighter weight. The weight still increases over time, but you want to keep the reps high.

[Vash]

1. GDA > Chuck Norris

2. I've, unfortunately, suffered through a Body Pump class. At the time, I was 180lbs, and the instructor, after the class, told me I was "too big" and that I was "intimidating" the other lifters because I wasn't "sweating." Now, I KNOW I didn't look too big because when I wear most of my clothes, you can't tell I weight more than a buck 50. In a t-shirt, it's obvious I work out, but I don't look near massive.

The workout, though the music was crappy techno, and the participants heavy, the weight was not, and the cardiovascular stressors were not present.

I remain DEEPLY unimpressed with the Body Pump workout, but the marketing is awesome, and I hope to have as much success with my fitness business in the future.


General rule of lifting - lift kinda heavy usually, light sometimes, super heavy sometimes. Otherwise, you're not using your body the way it's been adapted, and you should kill yourself.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

first thing, you dont want to "lift for endurance." ever.

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Why not?

[Vash]

first thing, you dont want to "lift for endurance." ever.

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Why not?

This sucks]

1. When a lifter is attempting to move a weight for "endurance" purposes, it is more likely there will be a breakdown of form and fatigue-related muscular failure. Either occurrence increases likelihood of injury.

2. Considering the above reason, re: form breakdown, one can develop bad habits (to be read as improper form, consistent cheating, etc) which could carry over to times when a heavier, non-endurance weight is being moved, greatly multiplying the injury risk.

3. One will tend to see increased incidence of tendenosis, and possibly generalized joint pain, with regular "endurance" resistance training.

Note, this list is valid if the "endurance" lifting is done on a regular basis.

Most beneficial, it would seem, is to gain endurance through various resistance levels of skills practice (drills, forms, technique repetitions, SPARRING, bagwork, SPARRING), as well as having a decent general cardiovascular fitness level.

Weight lifting is for the following: muscular hypertrophy, increased strength and power (maximum mass to be moved, mass moved over a short period), joint balance/stability/mobility, and tonus. Any other goal should be pursued using a different training medium.

[IronWeasel]

my buddy had a lot of luck with hydroxycut, but i've never used anything like that personally.

my training in the weight room aproaches masochisim more often than not, and the only sups i use are ON whey and L-glutamine. i used creatine briefly, but my kidneys started hurting on two seperate cycles of taking it.

best advice is to train hard and eat clean and often. try for 4 or 5 small meals a day, keeping in mind that a "meal" may mean an apple and a half a cup of cottage cheese.

also - raw eggs. natures perfect fast food - quick, easy, clean protein. they have no taste and it doesnt take long to get past the texture. a few raw eggs and your choice of cereal/oats = very quick and easy breakfast. i personally do up some fiberone with fresh berries and nuts.



I must respectfully disagree with the raw egg recommendation. They do nor digest or absorb well enough to provide an adequate source of protein.

My suggestion would be to double down on the cardio. When I run 3 miles per day, every other day...the extra fat falls off quickly--for me.

I found that merely running once per week was 'maintenance'.

[Mantis_Student]

Okaaay Well I can tell Im way out of my league here. You guys must be uber athletes or something. I just wanted to do some exercise twice a week to get into shape more and drop some fat so I can look good naked. I think I will go to my kung fu class then lift weights till my arms and stuff get too weak to lift and then Ill get on the treadmill or something and do cardio for like 30 mins. It sounds like NOBODY on this board uses weight loss supplements so I guess I will just save my money.

But Im still gonna go to Chilis once a week. ZOMG! :D

[Vash]

Okaaay Well I can tell Im way out of my league here. You guys must be uber athletes or something. I just wanted to do some exercise twice a week to get into shape more and drop some fat so I can look good naked. I think I will go to my kung fu class then lift weights till my arms and stuff get too weak to lift and then Ill get on the treadmill or something and do cardio for like 30 mins. It sounds like NOBODY on this board uses weight loss supplements so I guess I will just save my money.

But Im still gonna go to Chilis once a week. ZOMG! :D

Absolutely nothing wrong with those goals. The only things I would recommend with regards to the weights would be to check your form on a regular basis, listen to to your body for discomfort, and possibly find a good basic lifting routine.

Good luck!

[Mantis_Student]

Would somebody wanna recommend a good basic lifting routine. Im really ignorant when it comes to health stuff. I was thinking doing bench presses of course. Curls for my biceps. That one exercise where you put one knee on a bench and lift the dumbbell up and down to work your back muscles. Some shoulder presses. Situps. Thats all I can think of.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i think vash gave me the best compliment i've ever gotten.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Would somebody wanna recommend a good basic lifting routine. Im really ignorant when it comes to health stuff. I was thinking doing bench presses of course. Curls for my biceps. That one exercise where you put one knee on a bench and lift the dumbbell up and down to work your back muscles. Some shoulder presses. Situps. Thats all I can think of.

a lot of people really like ripptoes starting strength ... simple as can be and extremely effective. i started my nephew on this program, and in about 2 months he went from squatting about 100lbs to 200lbs, benching 70ish lbs to 125, and were keeping deadlift light until i can keep his back from rounding. ive also had a lot of luck with this program with a few other people i was helping.

great right up on it:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224

meat and taters of it:

Workout A 3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Power cleans
You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week.

So week 1 might look like:
Monday - Workout A
Wednesday - Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Week 2:
Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

i also recommend the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Strength-2nd-Mark-Rippetoe/dp/0976805421/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204577020&sr=8-1

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

..... also keep in mind thats its going to be ideal to have someone show you how to lift properly ... especially squat and deadlift. considering your goal isn't to be handeling massive weights anytime soon, your technique wont have to be completely perfect, but you'll want to have the basics down. you can learn a lot from books and good videos, but its like anything else ....

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

I must respectfully disagree with the raw egg recommendation. They do nor digest or absorb well enough to provide an adequate source of protein.



fair enough. admittedly, my knowledge on nutrition is severely lacking. i eat them raw simply because far better athletes than myself have been doing it for a long time, and what little reading ive done made sense to me. i can't pretend to argue the point though. ill have to do a little more reading to make sure im not wasting good eggs!

[Vash]

I cook the mother****ers.

Food poisoning, etc. Besides, omellete sammiches are the bomb/diggaty.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Besides, omellete sammiches are the bomb/diggaty.

typing this quickly before leaving work .....

no doubt man ... i've done a thing or two with 3-4 eggs and a frying pan.

3 eggs, spinach, tomato, and mayo on a thomas everything bagle with a large glass of milk is a liftin man's meal fo sho. the bagle alone has 13 grams of protein.

also ... i like stir fry some onions, mushrooms, and peppers and then break a couple eggs over them. i let the whites cook, but keep the yolks as liquified as i can .... good stuff.

also ... one thing that i haven't heard anyone else do .... mashed potato and onion omlette. its like a perogie, but with an egg exterior. of course you can add in your mushrooms or whatever else to the mix as well ... omlette options are endless.

but the thing is, no matter how efficient i get with prep time (presliced veggies, pan sittin out on stove ready to go, etc), sometimes i dont have the 10 or 15 mins it takes to actually cook something up. i can make sammiches the night before, but sometiems i dont have time for that either. in those instances, raw eggs are perfect.

on food poisoning with raw eggs .... on all the articles i read, the one thing that was agreed upon across the board is that the risk of samonella poisoning is extremely low. something like 1 in 30,000 eggs might have trace amounts ... and in most cases a healthy person won't even notice it. if its a concern you can always wash the shell as that's where it would be contaminated. i've personally kicked back at least a couple hundred without a problem .... many people also put them in their shakes ... and they are in a lot of dressings, sauces, and frosting that people typically eat without incident.

all of that said ... i can understand how most people dont like the idea of swollowing a couple big yellow lougies. in some ways, its as if a chicken just blew its load right down your throat. but me .... i love the chicken load.

[g-bells]

fair enough. admittedly, my knowledge on nutrition is severely lacking. i eat them raw simply because far better athletes than myself have been doing it for a long time, and what little reading ive done made sense to me. i can't pretend to argue the point though. ill have to do a little more reading to make sure im not wasting good eggs!

eating raw eggs is not a good idea due to the fact that semonila may be present causing you to get very sick!!

[dougadam]

egg whites work for me

[Vash]

egg whites work for me

Why just the egg white?

Anyone says "cholesterol," and I vomit.