Lee Shing Wing Chun Family

[LoneTiger108]

I would like to introduce myself to the users of this forum, as I have noticed a distinct lack of information about my Family of Wing Chun practitioners. Lee Shing was a very humble gent, who never really taught anyone for money as he was a very successful restaurant owner in Londons Chinatown for most of his senior life.

My name is LoneTiger108, and I feel totally alone!

I have my Martial Family, based here in London, but things are very quiet at the moment as there seems to be an overwhelming push from China in the Wushu fields in the UK, which is in some ways undermining the existing Kung Fu fanatics who have been training here since as early as the 1950's. There are other teachers/uncles like Austin Goh & Joe Lee who I admire very much, but what I practice is still different.

Does anyone here know of Lee Shing (Sing Lee/Li Kam Sheng)?

I have studied under Joseph Man of the 'Jun Mo' School. I have read many articles and online information about the Lee Shing Family, but it all seems to point towards the Gulao Village and perhaps even Leung Jan himself. What I do know is that the way I was taught was 'not' like any versions I've researched but more like a complete individual and bespoke method which incorporated learning Chinese Literature and theories prior to any forms! I, and my brothers, were all pre-practitioners and were taught as teachers, apprentices and Sifu.

I ask anyone who reads this to be open minded to my ramblings, as I am a writer myself and am honestly just looking for people who are interested in hearing about something new that obviously originates from something quite old.

I am also available to answer any questions you may have about my own personal learning. I have been coaching since 2003 with my Martial Brother, as we founded The Yum Yeurng Academy to help preserve our collaborative teaching methods. I have recently atarted to take on personal students and coach demonstration teams in my spare time.

With respect,

LoneTiger108

Weblinks:
http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/
http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

[Vajramusti]

Greetings.

Do you know what happened to Joseph Cheng?

good wishes,

joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Vajramusti, if you know the name you may be able to let me know where he is lol!

Joseph is a mystery to even his own family, as on a reprint of his Wooden Man book it was mentioned that he is 'no longer with us'. This set off the entire family as they all thought he was dead. As far as I'm aware, he is still in China and was last seen in Hong Kong and still training...

[tjwingchun]

Hello LoneTiger108, I am a student of Samuel Kwok, who also trained with Lee Sing/Shing I had the fortune to meet him once when Sifu took Yip Chun to his restaurant, 1985 I think it was when we were down that end of the country as part of Sigung's first UK seminar tour.

I remember sitting around a table with my Sifu and two Sigung! I had such a busy time putting food in Yip Chun's dish as well as Sifu's and topping everybodies tea up that I hardly had of a chance to eat much of the delicious meal.

I never had a chance to have any training with him though I have met Austin a couple of times and did 'play' chi sau with the late Eddie Yeoh's students. Apart from that I do not know much of your side of the family, nice to meet you though and hope you enjoy your time in this forum.:D

[LoneTiger108]

tjwingchun, at last I hear from someone who has actually met my SiGung! I, unfortunately, didn't even start training in Wing Chun until he had passed away so I always like to hear from people who met Lee Shing.

Thanks for sharing your experience, as I too have a great amount of respect for Sifu Kwok, or 'Uncle' as we tend to call him! I also have met Uncle on a few occassions, most memorable was at The Ip Man Tong Opening Ceremony in Foshan. He has always managed to keep Wing Chun in the limelight, especially in the Chinatown New Year displays, and his team in China really put on a great demo. Where you there?

If there is anything I can help you with in your understanding of our side of the Family, I will try my best to assist. I can't promise anything magical, as I am still quite young myself, but I did train hard back in the day and I'm forever grateful to my Sifu for teaching me how to grow as an artist. Dialogue can be so healthy, but I've seen far too many posts on here already that distract practitioners from their art. I hope I can still enjoy my time here though, but I can't honestly say how long I will last!

[tjwingchun]

most memorable was at The Ip Man Tong Opening Ceremony in Foshan. He has always managed to keep Wing Chun in the limelight, especially in the Chinatown New Year displays, and his team in China really put on a great demo. Where you there?
I was there at the Yip Man Tong opening, I was the one Yip Chun got to say a few words onstage, introduced as "Master Trevor", and I was the one in the Leicester Square Chinese New Year demos who used to break the 3x1" boards, and hold impromptu seminar/demo's around the corner in the Polar Bear Pub on the night time.

[byond1]

Lee Shing family is in good standings and have alot of great things in store for them in the future. The 2 main branchs (Austin Goh Sifu, and Joseph Lee), are both flurishing. Many DVDs have been produced by sifu Goh. Josheph Lee just came out with a DVD and is working on a series of articles detailing the Kulo aspect of his system.

Lee Shing is a very popular branch in the Europe, just simply not in the west - though almost no mainland WCK is found in the west. Lee Shing was hand picked by Yip man to teach in Europe. He actualy gave him a pair of his BOt Jam Tao swords as a symbol of this. Yip Chun when visiting Lee Sigung many years later, saw his fathers swords and got very emotional. On his second trip he brought Lee Sigung a very nice pair of swords to keep company the swords that Yip man passed on. (according to Yip Chun, and oral traditions passed down from Lee Shing)

Lee Shings branch is very unique as not only does it teach the Yip Man system, but it also teachs the Kulo Pian San System. I think it adds a richness to the WCK world~

My WCK history research group, AWCKRI, in fact has a member of the LEe Shing family. Check out some of our information and I hope you enjoy

www.wingchunpedia.org


Brian

[LoneTiger108]

Lee Shing is a very popular branch in the Europe, just simply not in the west - though almost no mainland WCK is found in the west. Lee Shing was hand picked by Yip man to teach in Europe.

Just a quick note on this comment by byond1.

First off, thanks for your insight. Its nice to read every now and then about how Lee Shing inherited the knives from Yip Man. I would only like to point out that Lee Shings teachings were kept very much within London, mainly Chinatown, and it has only really been future grand-students who have spread the art throughout Europe. Considering this, London played its part in the Wing Chun history more so than any other place in the World, mainly because this is where Lee Shing settled and done business. He had 'many' students who went on to become Sifus and Austin Goh and Joe Lee are, by far, the most popular.

Also I would like to say that Lee Shings way of teaching was completely individual, according to the stories I've heard. Not one student learnt in the same manner as another, so his Wing Chun was uniquely his own.

He honoured Yip Man by attempting to teach within the guidelines set in Hong Kong, but his students were eager to learn his own personal style. This is where the 'Pien San' and 'Gulao' versions enter the frame. All in all, I'd like to say it's just Leung Jan Family, but I think it still may go back further in time.

All to be discussed and researched with the help of forums and threads like this one. Can you help?

[LoneTiger108]

My WCK history research group, AWCKRI, in fact has a member of the LEe Shing family. Check out some of our information and I hope you enjoy

www.wingchunpedia.org

Brian

Brian,

I just noticed that there is nobody representing Lee Shing among your directors. Please tell me I missed something...

[byond1]

Hi

Perhaps I forgot to update the info?? Let me check!

B

[russellsherry]

hi lone tiger and others re joe cheung last year my guro david foogie had a english arnis teacher out for semminars he said joeship is alive and was working in the sudan somewere peace russell sherry

[byond1]

Thanks for the keen eye for detail. All updated!

B

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for the keen eye for detail. All updated!B

Thanks for looking into that for me, I noticed my 'Cousin' there is Olivier form Kings College! What a small World it is...

[Snake and Crane]

Hi there Lone Tiger 108,

My name is Alan from Australia. It seems that you have found another of your distant relative of Lee Shing. We all belong to the Chiu Van Lineage.

Lee Shing was one of the first group of disciples of Chiu Van in Hong Kong but he had studied other styles of Wing Chun Kung Fu back in Fo Shan (Buddha Mountain) China.

Joseph Cheng was his outstanding disciple. If I am not wrong, Joseph Cheng should be in his 60s now. He used to be the personal body guard of a once Saudi Arabian Prince. So there should be some trace of his teachings in Saudi Arabia.

My Sifu is Lee Man Kit. He is the sole indoor disciple of Chiu Van in the 1960s. Now Chiu Van's son is teaching in Hong Kong.

One day I hope to organize a family reunion of the Chiu Van's group and of course with every kung fu relatives' help.

Lee Man Kit was a younger kung fu brother of Lee Shing but he spent most of the time with Chiu Van and Yip Man.

In real fact Chiu Van is not a student of Yip Man but the closest of all friends. It would be a really long story if anybody wishes to know.

I am now teaching the Chiu Van's Wing Chun under the name of Lee's International Wing Chun after my Sifu's surname.

Hardly in the past had Chiu Van discussed his affairs with anybody except with Yip Man and Lee Man Kit. There were happy and sad days about them in the past.

Neither has many people hear of us because Lee Man Kit never used to teach. If anybody is interest to organize any seminars overseas, we would be very interested to hold one to fully explain one of the last branch of Wing Chun Kung Fu.

From observation, I hope it is no offence to any Wing Chun Seniors, some current instructors in the world has studied privately with Chiu Van.

I am very sure that Si Sok Fred Kwok would be very proud of being Chiu Van's student. Si Sok Jason Lau is one of my idol instructors.

Through this forum, I also wish to contact and correspond with any body of Chiu Van's Lineage. My Sifu Lee Man Kit is more happy to meet you all.

[LoneTiger108]

Hi there Lone Tiger 108,

My name is Alan from Australia. It seems that you have found another of your distant relative of Lee Shing. We all belong to the Chiu Van Lineage.

Lee Shing was one of the first group of disciples of Chiu Van in Hong Kong but he had studied other styles of Wing Chun Kung Fu back in Fo Shan (Buddha Mountain) China.

Joseph Cheng was his outstanding disciple. If I am not wrong, Joseph Cheng should be in his 60s now. He used to be the personal body guard of a once Saudi Arabian Prince. So there should be some trace of his teachings in Saudi Arabia...

...Through this forum, I also wish to contact and correspond with any body of Chiu Van's Lineage. My Sifu Lee Man Kit is more happy to meet you all.

Hey Alan (Cousin?) It's so good to hear from someone from the Chiu Van family, as I was beginning to think that the old 'Values' within our styles current culture were being lost to the younger MMA attitude of 'it just better work, don't care where it comes from' type thing!

Chiu Van (Jiu Wan as I would normally write in my 'yokel' village script!!) was indeed a massive influence on Lee Shings learning, as far as I know, and he was also the kind gent who introduced Lee Shing to Yip Man. I aslo know of the families you mention from Foshan, who obviously had a slightly less modernized version of this style than Yip Mans HK teachings. I love to see the variations, as I have a genuine interest in our heritage which others seem to dismiss so easily as myth and legend.

I was fortunate to meet with a group of Jiu Wans at The Yip Man Tong Opening, along with my brother and Simo. Even the famous actor Ti Lung was interested in us and payed us a lot of respect, almost bullying his guys to be friendly to these 'gweilo' as they're 'real'!! I've always known that a true Masters talents will be recognized by the oldskool and this was just one occassion I witnessed first-hand.

Thanks for the comments regarding Joseph Cheng! Yes, he was the most 'famous' Lee Shing student, but he was still very young when he became a Sifu, like many others at the time. My Sifu has fond memories of them in the early days, especially when the first ever 'Wooden Man' book was created and published in 1977!! This was also the main reason Joseph Cheng became so famous, but that book was a team effort, a family guidebook and a real treasure of Lee Shing as he personally helped with the content.

So, whats left to say is 'thank you' for introducing yourself here, and I hope the day comes when we can all meet and exchange ideas on History/Traditions/Style & Training. Please pass on my regards to your Sifu, Lee Man Kit and the Family in Austrailia...

[Snake and Crane]

Hi there again Lone Tiger 108,

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

To update our activities here, Sifu Lee Man Kit will be returning to Hong Kong to make connection with Chiu Van's son who went back to HK about 2 years ago. In fact Chiu Van's whole family is in Canada.

If there is any future personal correspondance with me, please email me at:

kwongkungfu@gmail.com

Keep in touch and I have no hessitation in any queries you would send to me.

Alan

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for your reply. When you mentioned Ti Lung, he is my Sifu's most favourite younger kung fu brother.

I also should have mentioned Lee Hoi Suen!!! As he was with Ti Lung at the opening and they were so friendly (well, to us they were lol!) It is also crazy that Jiu Wans family is in Canada, as this was the final destination of Lee Shing and his family are still there, somewhere!

Looks like my annual 'China Trip' may soon become a 'Canada Trip' eh! I was always under the impression that certain knowledge had already left the Motherland...

[LoneTiger108]

Due to Lee Shing being virtually unheard of in the USA, I would like to add these links to websites promoting this family of Wing Chun:

http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?opt...d=30&Itemid=45
http://www.josephleewingchun.com/
http://www.austingoh.com/

There is now a Facebook Group of Lee Shing Wing Chun students!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

If anybody knows of any more sites or resources (other than the wcarchive) that present this family of Wing Chun, I would be grateful if you add them to this thread.

[Vajramusti]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Lee Sing's wc may not be as unknown as you seem to think. Alan Lamb- one of the first if not the first Brit. sifu- learned from Lee Sing, and Joseph Cheng- as well as from Paul Lam, Koo Sang and others. Alan Lamb moved to the US many years ago- first to NY and later to California.
Your devotion to your version of the art is understandable.

I have evolved in one of the major IpMan lines- but not using the rings does not mean there is a flaw in what we do.Similarly, no problem if you see some benefit in the ring. Thanks for sharing your views ina mostly civil discussion.

Joy Chaudhuri

Thank you for the kind words. I was waiting for someone to tell me about Alan, as I 'think' I met him once at the Senishow here in the UK! He's not the only one in the USA either, as a Sihing has recently informed me that he is now in California. Small World really.

No intention to imply any 'flaws' really, on any side of the argument, just an honest query as this was a very special piece of equipment for me. Even my seniors had never even 'seen' it practised, but this may be more due to lack of funds to design/produce a quality ring. Even I started with some mad bendy bamboo, before we found a Rattan specialist lol!

Alan Lamb may have been the first Sifu 'recognised' by Joseph Cheng, but definately not the only western student under Lee Shing. Even Sifu Dave Lea (aka Batman!) was trained by Lee Shing for a while. Most just 'passed through', very few teach today and the few that do will definately remember a significant difference in families...

http://www.alanlambwingchun.com/

[MrBump]

Hi guys - really interesting thread.

I've had an interest in Lee Shing for years, all the time that I've been involved in Wing Chun in the UK. I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

[Vajramusti]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

[MrBump]

Any particular reason for that assertion?

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

Does anyone know what the relationship was between Simon Lau and Lee Shing? I don't know Simon Lau, but I believe that he may have studied with Lee Shing, and also with Ip Man in Hong Kong. Can anyone clarify this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark.

Hey Mark! Thanks for the comments about the thread, I do try and keep things on subject and fortunately just the 'title' of this one deters many known trolls lol! Many people seem to dislike the term 'family', but I can only hope this is a small minority.

In answer to your question, yes Simon Lau knew Lee Shing and was associated with the Ip Man Martial Arts Athletic Association but I don't think that he was actually 'taught' by any of them. I can confirm this by discussion with some of the elders I know, but I think I'm right here. Having a 'Sifu' was a pretty big thing for anyone back then, and I believe Sifu Lau was connected to another source in Foshan from childhood. Similar look in all honesty to Lee Shing family, but most internet info will align Sifu Lau to learning from monks.

Looking online also gives doesn't me any information that matches what was online a year ago as he has 'named' his Sifu on previous sites. Now, on the wcarchive he is listed as Ip Man/Lee Shing, so make from that what you wish.

Some of my Sihings were his students a long time ago, and when we entered the Lee Shing family they were accepted because of his connection to Sifu Lau, so he is obviously held in high regard.

I hope this helps in some way, but I'm sure others may know more... I do have one question:

I believe that what I know comes from Lee Shing, given that Simon Lau is a part of my lineage.

What is your 'Hoi Sik' (Opening Set)? This would normally identify anyone connected to Lee Shing Family...

[Vajramusti]

Any particular reason for that assertion?
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Lack of evidence. Unless other evidence appears.

joy chaudhuri

[MrBump]

That's great, thanks for the info.

As for opening set, do you mean SLT? It's very much in the Ip Man vein, although the initial Chi Kung movements terminate in a tarn sau, which doesn't seem to be present in the Ip Man lineage.

Do you recall what sifu Simon Lau named?

Cheers.

Mark.

[LoneTiger108]

No I'm not referring to your Siu Lim Tao (although if you were a Lee Shing student our Hoi Sik is 'attached' to the beginning)

What I'm asking is simple. Do you start all forms with a 'cross-arm'? If so, this is Ip Man 'branch'. Lee Shing had his own 'salutation'.

As for Sifu Laus teachers name, I don't want to get it wrong so I'll ask a few people first. You may find it on his newly designed website:

http://www.simonlaucentre.co.uk/

[MrBump]

OK, I get you.

Yes, very much the "crossed over arms" at the start of our forms.

Thanks for your insight.

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Using standard definition of "studied", I doubt that Simon Lau studied with Ip Man.

Joy Chaudhuri

From what I have been told Simon Lau claims to have trained with Yip Man alongside Bruce Lee, (he still tries to get away with this Yip Man connection today), this comes from his self promotion in the 70's and early 80's, the period when Bruce Lee was actually studying with Yip Man is well before the time Simon states he began his Wing Chun.

I have been told by several of his early students he regularly made these claims, of course back in the early days who was there around to deny him, much in the same way William Cheung and Leung Ting made claims that they were the only true source of Yip Man Wing Chun, only after he died of course.

The past is for the historians to sort out and document, I prefer looking and defining Wing Chun as a science and leave the heritage arguments and 'who taught who' in the politics and ego pile.

Though saying that my Wing Chun 'family' are important to me, but only in how I can help them, not by trying to feed off them.

As far as Simon's Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.

[MrBump]

Thanks - again, all very useful.

But I still want to know what he learned and from where...

:confused:

[LoneTiger108]

As far as Simon's Lee Shing connection, that was where he met my Sifu who was also a student at the same time. This was around the time when Joseph Cheng who was the main student and Eddie Yeoh, Austin Goh and Nigel Fan were training.

Pretty accurate info given there yet again tj! Missed a few names (like my Sifu lol!), but the earlier generations were not 'public' teachers I suppose.

Has anyone ever considered that because Sifu Lau was actually 'from' the mainland he 'had' to go through Ip Man in order to teach here in the UK. Obviously for this to happen, someone had to vouch for him and maybe that was Lee Shings role. Now I don't know this for fact, but I have heard it along the way, as it may have been required for most Sifus to be registered in Hong Kong.

Registration, even then, didn't always mean that you were actually taught by Master Ip Man.

[MrBump]

I guess that makes sense to me too...

TJ - who is your sifu, if you don't mind me asking?

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Sorry LoneTiger108 only mentioned ones off the top of my head that I knew of , never had the good fortune to meet Joseph but heard a lot about from Sifu, nor Nigel but have met Austin a couple of times and visited Eddie's Kwoon back in 1985 ish (brain cells not what they used to be). I remember a pleasant day 'playing' chi sau, not too much blood flowing, and none mine though lol.

MrBump if you open your eyes you can see below my Sifu's web site :eek:

Samuel Kwok, I am his most senior UK student still teaching under his association.

[MrBump]

Eyes are open.

Thanks very much.

Mark.

[tjwingchun]

Eyes are open.

Thanks very much.

Mark.

Your welcome!

By the way if you wish quicker answers my messenger contact in in my profile I believe.

[LoneTiger108]

To get this thread back on track, I would like to share with you all a small clip of the Jun Mo Wing Chun Demonstration at Seni 2001.

Taken from my Sifus website this demo was put together by Sifu Mans eldest students at the time and was designed to showcase different areas of practice like Forms, Equipment, Interactions and Weaponry. Obviously we knew at the time that many may have difficulty relating to us as a serious Wing Chun school as we dressed in traditional uniforms, set our Siu Lim Tao 'on top' of a Wooden Man and showed our equipment like the rattan rings and stick for the first time at a major event. Yes, I said 'first time', and this was as late as 2003!

Comments and questions are very welcome...

http://www.junmo.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=107
(click on 'Combat Martial Arts - Seni 2001')

[Vajramusti]

Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.


joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Discussions are happening at the moment by three of the eldest Lee Shing students Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joe Lee in preparation for a small family get together which looks like it will be happening towards the end of May 2009 in Londons Chinatown.

For more info on Lee Shing Wing Chun, or if you would like to book a place at this event please link to www.leeshing.org.uk

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for the link and for sharing.
Enjoyed the slt and the stick and rattan demos.
The demos were gracefully done.

Thanks for the compliments Joy :)

As another point of discussion, I recently caught this clip on Youtube of Sifu Gianfranco Pompianu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4afixOv-Q&feature=related

I have rarely seen a student perform the whole set known to Lee Shing Family as Dai Nim Tao and I would welcome any comments.

Personally, I appreciate the form but never thought it to be a secret. I've seen it but rarely talked about it. I understand it but can not teach it.

Has anyone here learnt Dai Nim Tao or similar methods/san sik?

[Yoshiyahu]

Do you guys know anything about these other forms? Have you guys ever practice them?


Dai Lim Tao


Wing Chun Fourth Form


Wing Chun Competition Form



Wing Chun Kicking Form


Advanced Siu Lim Tao


What do you think about the other forms?

[WarriorWC]

Lone Tiger, it looks to be an expansion of Siu Lim Tao and is very interesting!! Indeed. It looks like ot carries variations and combinations of set wing chun arms (low Bong Sau) and has a good flow to it. I like it........

[chusauli]

As another point of discussion, I recently caught this clip on Youtube of Sifu Gianfranco Pompianu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4afixOv-Q&feature=related

Has anyone here learnt Dai Nim Tao or similar methods/san sik?

It is all in Gu Lao WCK...

[WarriorWC]

Indeed it is........

[LSWCTN1]

Discussions are happening at the moment by three of the eldest Lee Shing students Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joe Lee in preparation for a small family get together which looks like it will be happening towards the end of May 2009 in Londons Chinatown.

For more info on Lee Shing Wing Chun, or if you would like to book a place at this event please link to www.leeshing.org.uk

I spoke with Joseph Lee on Tuesday evening, and the May event is almost certainly cancelled. I believe SiFu Goh is in Italy? teaching students out there at the end of May now.

There is however an event on 22nd August at Austin Goh's London Bridge school. Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joseph Lee will be teaching there. Early discussions look like SiFu Goh will teach chi gung, and Joseph Lee and Joseph Man will be teaching sticky hands and drills between them?

For more details i think Austin Goh's website is the way to go

3pm onwards. only £30 each i think too.

[WarriorWC]

Checked his site and no mention. Can you lket us know further details.....

[LoneTiger108]

I spoke with Joseph Lee on Tuesday evening, and the May event is almost certainly cancelled. I believe SiFu Goh is in Italy? teaching students out there at the end of May now.

There is however an event on 22nd August at Austin Goh's London Bridge school. Joseph Man, Austin Goh and Joseph Lee will be teaching there. Early discussions look like SiFu Goh will teach chi gung, and Joseph Lee and Joseph Man will be teaching sticky hands and drills between them?

For more details i think Austin Goh's website is the way to go

3pm onwards. only £30 each i think too.

Thanks for the info! Yet again, the word gets around before anything concrete is decided :rolleyes:

It's so good to hear these three Sifus have deceided to actually teach together at a Seminar, and it should be a great eye-opener for anyone who is into Wing Chun and/or Lee Shing Family.

I may HAVE to be at this one, so I'm looking forward to catching up with familiar faces and hopefully meeting some new ones too.

It is all in Gu Lao WCK...

Agreed 100% :) Although I personally have never classified Lee Shing as being strictly Gulao Wing Chun, as he isn't, there are some things that hold the mainland flavour. I wouldn't name a village as the reason why. More like a mans personal journey through his country and the style imho.

All Sifus learnt individually from Lee Shing, and Austin, Joe and Joseph all have distinct approaches to their Wing Chun. The Seminar should be very interesting indeed...

[LSWCTN1]

Thanks for the info! Yet again, the word gets around before anything concrete is decided :rolleyes:



hi Spencer, i hope i havent upset anything here - i was asked to get participants so i thought that this would be the quickest way to do that

the information i was given sounded conrete enough, the only variation (as i was told) would be the content - possibly

be good to catch up again - hopefully a little more 'hands-on' than the last time we met!

[WarriorWC]

LSWCTN1 - Please keep us informed it would be great to attend an event.

[LSWCTN1]

of course - as far as i know that is confirmed? if anything changes i will let you know

Austin Goh's London Bridge school
August 22nd 3pm
about 3 hours? seminar

[LoneTiger108]

hi Spencer, i hope i havent upset anything here - i was asked to get participants so i thought that this would be the quickest way to do that

the information i was given sounded conrete enough, the only variation (as i was told) would be the content - possibly

be good to catch up again - hopefully a little more 'hands-on' than the last time we met!

No harm done! Actually it's nice to see that people are talking to be honest ;)

I'm working on some new promotional stuff and will update the site soon (leeshing.org.uk) whilst trying to get the details confirmed. It will be interesting to see this event through as it does signify some dramatic changes to the Lee Shing family. This will be a 'first' for the UK.

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

Only a few weeks to go, so if you are interested in attending there are a number of ways to log your interest;

1. Visit www.leeshing.org.uk and email your name and how many places you want to reserve, especially for people who have yet to train inside the family.

2. Contact either Austin Goh, Joe Lee or Joseph Man through their websites - ONLY if you have trained with them!

www.austingoh.com
www.josephleewingchun.com
www.junmo.co.uk

3. Or email me directly with your enquiry at

kfm@flystudio.co.uk

This is only the FIRST Seminar/Gathering to happen with all three 'Kung Fu Brothers', and according to recent meetings, it will not be the last! So, don't worry if you can not attend as there will be future opportunities in the UK, Europe and even in the USA and Canada!

I'm personally looking forward to the event, and hope to meet some family members throughout the day as, although we have all been around for a time now, we have yet to have our teachers work together before so it's all new to everyone!

I'll try to get about a bit on the day, and take some video for our Facebook Group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

[Lee Chiang Po]

The youngest of my 5 brothers is Lee Sing. Or Sing Lee by western name. He is 3 years my senior. He is obviously not the same Lee Sing of the UK. He lives in New York. He practices Hung Fa as I do. He would never teach it to anyone other than his own.

[LoneTiger108]

... He would never teach it to anyone other than his own.

I guess you're talking of your brother here? ;)

Maybe you can help me here LCP, as being from the 'Lee' family (as in the surname!) you must have researched your own heritage? Would your own family have links to the ancient Lee clans? One of the five families?

[Lee Chiang Po]

I am sure that you know that Lee is the most common name in all Asia? Specially in Korea. To answer your question, I have no idea. I know the name goes way the heck back there. I had an old uncle in New York that had a family tree chart that went back 25 generations. I was very young and had absolutely no interest in such things at the time. I do sometimes wish I could go back now and talk of these things more. Anyone that would have all this information in the family would be gone by now I suppose. His tree had nothing but Lee. The daughters were not shown past marriage.
Yes, Sing is the next youngest. I am youngest. Then Jimm. Jimm is about 70 now, but could walk faster than most men could run. He could jump clear over my head. But then I am only a bit over 5 feet tall.

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

Saturday 22nd August 2009
London Bridge
2-5pm


Only a week to go, so if you are interested in attending there are a number of ways to log your interest;

1. Visit www.leeshing.org.uk and email your name and how many places you want to reserve, especially for people who have yet to train inside the family.

2. Contact either Austin Goh, Joe Lee or Joseph Man through their websites - ONLY if you have trained with them!

www.austingoh.com
www.josephleewingchun.com
www.junmo.co.uk

3. Or email me directly with your enquiry at

kfm@flystudio.co.uk

This is only the FIRST Seminar/Gathering to happen with all three 'Kung Fu Brothers', and according to recent meetings, it will not be the last! So, don't worry if you can not attend as there will be future opportunities in the UK, Europe and even in the USA and Canada!

I'm personally looking forward to the event, and hope to meet some family members throughout the day as, although we have all been around for a time now, we have yet to have our teachers work together before so it's all new to everyone!

I'll try to get about a bit on the day, and take some video for our Facebook Group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5646373803

[LoneTiger108]

LEE SHING FAMILY SEMINAR

The Seminar was a great success, with over 140 students, instructors and sifus attending from all three schools.

Hosted by Master Austin Goh, he began the day with an exhibition of the Kicking Form and continued to breakdown each technique into short interactive exercises which everybody attempted and enjoyed. With regular interventions and disucussions of the sets being introduced, the whole room was soon immersed into the spirit of the day.

Master Joe Lee presented two of his students, who demonstrated stick to stick and knife to stick interactions with an empy hand interactive set which had a unique mainland flavour. He then continued to introduce various sticky hand exercises and applications from Chum Kil and Biu Jee forms which got everybody testing their skill with eachother.

Finally, Master Joseph Man gave a short speech about his introduction to Lee Shing Wing Chun by showcasing a simple technique which was what was referred to as 'Lee Shings Logo'. Assisted by two Sifus and a hand-out for participants to study, he demonstrated the effectiveness of the 'Hammer Fist' and it's application. The whole room was buzzing with shouts and sweat from this intense drill "Lien Siu Dai Da!"

To round off the day, Master Goh shared a Qi Gong cooling down excercise and continued to reminded everybody why we were here with an emotional thank you and a minute silence in memory of our Grand Master Lee Shing.

A big thank you to everybody for their efforts throughout the day, and a special mention must go to the KCL Wing Chun club for offering their student digs for the day!

It was a gret day for exchange, and hopes are good for the future of the Lee Shing Wing Chun Family.

http://www.austingoh.com
http://www.josephleewingchun.com
http://www.junmo.co.uk

http://www.freewebs.com/kclwingchun

http://www.leeshing.org.uk

The Lee Shing Wing Chun Family on Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=5646373803