Multiple attackers

[RonH]

The strength of MMA is in that it exposes you to so many fighting tempers and styles, and pairs you up with people who have different strengths. The weakness in TCMA (if you don't look around outside of your school), is that you only ever practice or expect to counter/encounter all the techniques in your arsenal, delivered with your particular emphasis and principles, etc. In effect, you fight clones of yourself.

The reason the MMA fighter would dominate, is that he won't expect as much coming in, because he knows a punch can come in at every angle, and doesn't have to protect a centerline for the sake of the centerline. A kick can be used multitudes of ways, and doesn't always use the same striking surface. But as soon as you're engaged, he can generally predict your temper, striking method, and weakness, b/c he's exposed to so many stylisms, he has to be able to do this in order to keep up to tempo in his art.

The good thing about a quality TCMA guy is he knows his body better, and generally has no doubt as to what to do in certain situations, and can execute quickly and effectively. The bad thing about a quality TCMA guy, is if you get him out of his comfort zone (ground, certain ranges, etc.), he's treading unknown waters and pretty much is making it up as he goes along b/c he's so stuck in his preconceived notions as to what it is he should be doing. He'll wind up stumbling over himself.

One of the hallmarks of a long lasting style is its adaptability 'on the fly' when the unknown does happen upon the fighter. If the underlying principles of any attack can be countered effectively, regardless of whether you have seen a specific attack before or not.

But the principles of kungfu single out certain attacks as inefficient, and therefore cut them out of usage. Strangely enough, I see many of these in regular usage during MMA bouts. If you cut them out of usage, you won't see them coming at you from your classmates.

Because a technique doesn't seem to fit in with a system or style, it doesn't make it inefficient. It means that it doesn't fit in. CMA guys say...the method of power generation is weak. You really want to do such and such, change the angle, etc. But if you don't have that kind of freedom of waist and leg motion, you've got to be able to pack power in your punch with good ol' Irish grit and sinew. But really, all strikes should fit into every system, because you're fighting.

That is, if you want to do more than just dance....

Seeing chicks in bikinis and butt shorts makes volleyball games worth watching. If you like dudes, there's the well toned and buff guys with their shirts off.



I would say possibly some styles, but not all.

Because a technique doesn't seem to fit in with a system or style, it doesn't make it inefficient. It means that it doesn't fit in. CMA guys say...the method of power generation is weak.[quote]

As an internalist, I'd say all purely external arts don't have as much power as they could have, to be more accurate and specific about the weakness.



There are many places that you can get power from that don't use legs or the waist. It won't be as powerful a strike, but you don't always need brick and mortar bursting power to get a one up on the other guy. Striking with the shoulder or a head butt are good options.



Exactly. If you can't do it, there's something wrong. It may not be something that the student does and it wouldn't necessarily mean that that student is an idiot. 'Doing something wrong', in the sense I'm using it, is free of any condescension and mockery. If you grab one item off a table by accident, as you pass by and you really meant to grab what was next to it, that doesn't mean you're an idiot.



True, but I've found that if you really need to conserve your energy, as you deflect multiple attacks in quick succession, you should treat the fighting as mostly a dance. It's less about ending the fight then and there (especially when attacked by a mob) and more about redirecting/neutralizing incoming attacks with very little effort on your part. It sometimes comes off as the martial art version of ballet. Just a tiny tiny brush or a very light slap on the incoming limb to move it the inch or less to get it out of the path that it's in, which is the one that's gonna make contact with you.

After that, it's a multitasking approach involving deflections with your arms and upper body, while you do femoral kicks and knee strikes/ letting gravity pull your body down, as you step on the side of the knee and press inward/outward a little.

Relying on only the 'tried and true' of fighting?

Doing whatever it takes to win, with whatever you can make work.

[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;791925]Or, in other words:

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Originally Posted by RonH
as you deflect multiple attacks in quick succession, you should treat the fighting as mostly a dance. It's less about ending the fight then and there... It sometimes comes off as the martial art version of ballet. Just a tiny tiny brush or a very light slap on the incoming limb to move it the inch or less to get it out of the path that it's in, which is the one that's gonna make contact with you..

Okay, so you advocate huge, needlessly spent energy consuming moves when fighting off multiple attackers (and I don't mean if you've got the opportunity to run). You also advocate you need to treat each incoming limb, as if it was a wrecking ball because there's just no way you could ever knock off course an incoming limb or stick or bo or sword or nunchuck or halberd etc. etc. with just a tiny bit of effort because there's just no need to move it just a tiny bit off course, so it doesn't hit you. You're advocating knocking that sucker, like line drive out to center field and going into the stands where there's no way the outfield guys could even hope to catch that thing, unless they've got a jet pack.

Sure, I'd love to see that done by any external artist for any extended period of time where they have no rest between each incoming attack. You've got a better chance of doing that if you're a Navy Seal than a lot of martial artists or MMA people.



Do as much damage as you can, while you can.

Or you don't do the 'a running bull in a china shop' way of fighting.

The thing about defense is, no matter how good you are, you're going to get hit sooner or later. And if you're fending off multiple attackers, if you get hit once, it's game over. Especially if you're playing a game of inches.

Which would you prefer to have? Waste larger amounts of energy sooner, making yourself tired sooner and allowing the others to catch you at a bad moment? Any of them just need one half second against you. Or do you want to extend the time you've got till you can find a way to kick all their asses? My way doesn't gaurantee it for you, but it gives you a better shot at winning in the long term.

One of the benefits of external MA is that you have good conditioning, b/c it's part of your training, and you get used to taking hits, so you can bear them better.

In the sense of brute force against brute force. In internal arts, absorbing the energy and letting the soft tissue of your body wrap around the incoming object, much like the body of a drunk against a steering wheel in a car accident, lets your body survive the attack with less trauma because the body is more bendable.

And if you really rock your blocks with your forearms, you can damage their arms with your defense, and add that element of offense to your defensive maneuvers.

Sure, it's always good to screw up your arms early on in a fight, especially against multiple people.

Anything is better than remaining the calm center of your own universe, because it's not your universe.

HAA!!! I laugh at this notion. Whatever their motivation, whatever way they decide to attack you, you are still being attacked. All their eyes and neurons are on you getting pummeled and sometimes, destroyed. You are the center of their universe for the length of time the fight is happening.

So, who dictates what happens in that universe? Do you want it to be the ones attacking you? I like being proactive with my universe.

Better by far to divide and conquer, if you have no choice. I mean viciously. Barrel into one, use everything, elbow, knee, kick, bite, spit, punch, grab, choke, rake, claw, and destroy. Then use that one as a shield. Go for the weakest one, so long as he's not the expendable guy in the group. Me, I'm going for the skinny one, b/c I know I can bowl him over no prob with a shoulder tackle, then stomp on him and lessen the odds. It is, in fact, end the fight as quick as possible.

I've found it's best to go where there's the highest concentration of people of the attacking group. Being so close together, it limits their abilities. That's when you take one and drop him. I prefer going after the bigger ones, especially the one that seems to be the leader.

[lkfmdc]

Here, RonH demonstrates his theory

[Shaolin Wookie]

[QUOTE=RonH;791904]In the sense of brute force against brute force. In internal arts, absorbing the energy and letting the soft tissue of your body wrap around the incoming object, much like the body of a drunk against a steering wheel in a car accident, lets your body survive the attack with less trauma because the body is more bendable.

Remind me to use this excuse if I ever get caught DUI. "Buwt ophisser....ith wuz phor meye owne perthsonawl thafety......dephenthive driphing, u knowe."

I laughed at this, and concluded that you have to be a troll. I mean, come on dude.....are you telling me that my punching bag wins every fight? Sure, it's still hanging there, but if I pull out the stuffing and then stuff you inside, do you think you'd fare as well?

[QUOTE=RonH;791904]Sure, it's always good to screw up your arms early on in a fight, especially against multiple people.

If you work out and aren't a *****, and have some forearms, you'll damage his, not yours. And even if he's got hard forearms, it still won't do much more than sting.

[QUOTE=RonH;791904]HAA!!! I laugh at this notion. Whatever their motivation, whatever way they decide to attack you, you are still being attacked. All their eyes and neurons are on you getting pummeled and sometimes, destroyed. You are the center of their universe for the length of time the fight is happening.

I laugh at your laughter at this notion. They're not getting pummeled. In fact, their hands are just barely missing your head by inches, what with your deft touches.

So, who dictates what happens in that universe? Do you want it to be the ones attacking you? I like being proactive with my universe.

Then you have to attack and do damage.

I've found it's best to go where there's the highest concentration of people of the attacking group. Being so close together, it limits their abilities. That's when you take one and drop him. I prefer going after the bigger ones, especially the one that seems to be the leader.


You do that. But the little guy probably is the ringleader, or else the big guys wouldn't be there, or he wouldn't. I've never seen a hossed up dude say to his 130 lb. girlie-framed friend: "Let's go get that guy! The two of us!"

Maybe if you stomp his little buddy, he'll stop and attend to the little guy's wounds. And if you lose, well, at least you got your ass handed to you by the big guy, and not the skinny little dweeb.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I'm going to conclude, if it's alright with you, that you're used to push hands and haven't really scrapped with someone hardcore. You are not the calm center of your own universe, unless your partner allows you to be. Part of fighting is putting your opponent out of his comfort zone. If he stays in it, he's the one on the offensive, throwing bombs.

[RonH]

[QUOTE=RonH;791943]

Remind me to use this excuse if I ever get caught DUI. "Buwt ophisser....ith wuz phor meye owne perthsonawl thafety......dephenthive driphing, u knowe."

I did hear one underage kid, after he got caught in the woods where a party was, said to the cop 'I just got out of the shower'. The cop laughed heartily, said something and then, let the kid go with a warning.

I really did hear that.

I laughed at this, and concluded that you have to be a troll. I mean, come on dude.....are you telling me that my punching bag wins every fight?

Are you punching holes in your bag with every punch? If you are, you're buying a really crappy brand of bag. It's only after long term use that the bag would need to be replaced. Now, image in the very short term, if the bag could punch back.

Also, if you don't take care of your hands before and after punching the bag, your flesh will get seriously damaged, especially if you don't let it have time to heal. The same is true if you use a tree instead of a bag.

Sure, it's still hanging there, but if I pull out the stuffing and then stuff you inside, do you think you'd fare as well?

First, I'm very flexible and I've had my fair share of punches, kicks, knees, elbows, etc. But, I delibereately let my body wrap around them because I let my body go limp some times and it isn't a problem. Plus, the times when I really get hurt, I do heal faster than most people because of my ever exponentially increasing hyperactivity/metabolism.

Take a look at a lot of drunk drivers that get into accidents. Those that have been drinking often get out of the car with barely a scratch. Sometimes, not even that. They might just have a bump. Those that get hit are the ones that aren't drinking and their bodies stiffen up from the shock that the force of the impact reverberates throughout their body more strongly, causing more damage.

Take sound. Solid matter, especially rock, is a stronger conductor for sound than air. The denser the medium sound has to travel through, the faster it travels. There are other things, like temperature that effect the speed, but it's still a fact speed is higher with solids than liquids or gases.

If you work out and aren't a *****, and have some forearms, you'll damage his, not yours. And even if he's got hard forearms, it still won't do much more than sting.

Not every single time. What if he's got more developed arms then you? Your arms will be in worse shape than his.

I laugh at your laughter at this notion. They're not getting pummeled. In fact, their hands are just barely missing your head by inches, what with your deft touches.

A miss is still a miss. It doesn't matter if it's inches or feet. You can keep them as close to you as you want and slip around them and use them as a shield against one of the other attackers, as we agree upon.

Then you have to attack and do damage.

Even if you do work out hard, there's no amount of strength training or conditioning that can make a knee or the throat just as strong as a femur, if you are conditioning your entire body. If your conditioning includes what you can do with the femur, you'd have to let that particular part of your conditioning lag behind and that isn't a good idea.

You do that. But the little guy probably is the ringleader, or else the big guys wouldn't be there, or he wouldn't.

That isn't always true. The big guy could believe in strength in numbers and still be the leader. When it comes to leaders, their followers are often the people that are around in the same area and they aren't always the pick of the litter.

I've never seen a hossed up dude say to his 130 lb. girlie-framed friend: "Let's go get that guy! The two of us!"

You need to get out more then. People that have been small and weak their whole lives will often use their brain. A big guy with strength and brains can team up with someone that's got brains and speed.

Maybe if you stomp his little buddy, he'll stop and attend to the little guy's wounds. And if you lose, well, at least you got your ass handed to you by the big guy, and not the skinny little dweeb.

So, reputation appearances after the fact are important when you fight? That's something you could do well to be without. Let's say you did. The skinny little dweeb might have a trick up his sleeve or a gun.

I'm going to conclude, if it's alright with you, that you're used to push hands and haven't really scrapped with someone hardcore.

No, I'm speaking from experience. There have been many times when I've gone up against varying amounts of people. Some have not liked me for legitimate reasons (at least to them) and that's why they did it. Others have been because they thought I was a good target or just because.

You are not the calm center of your own universe, unless your partner allows you to be.

Wrong again. The type of center I am for my universe is what I choose to be. The other person or people can do whatever they want. How I react is still up to me. I've worked a very long time to eliminate the hindering reactions that come out of fear and uncertainty. They are far far less an issue today then way way back then when I first started.

Part of fighting is putting your opponent out of his comfort zone. If he stays in it, he's the one on the offensive, throwing bombs.

Loosing is still an option, while one remains within their comfort zone. Loosing after not making any mistakes happens. When both/all opponents are in their respective comfort zones, it still comes down to skill and availability of opportunities.

Multitasking is very important when fighting multiple people, especially when they have some skills of their own.

[Knifefighter]

Ron- please post some clips of you doing anything you are advocating.

[golden arhat]

First, I'm very flexible and I've had my fair share of punches, kicks, knees, elbows, etc. But, I delibereately let my body wrap around them because I let my body go limp some times and it isn't a problem. Plus, the times when I really get hurt, I do heal faster than most people because of my ever exponentially increasing hyperactivity/metabolism.

BS


let me elbow you on the face and lets see how well ur face copes k ?

no the reason you are limp is because you had your arse kicked mate

seriously if u have ever taken a full on kick to the ribs you would know that u dont just go
oh well and go limp


Take a look at a lot of drunk drivers that get into accidents. Those that have been drinking often get out of the car with barely a scratch. Sometimes, not even that. They might just have a bump. Those that get hit are the ones that aren't drinking and their bodies stiffen up from the shock that the force of the impact reverberates throughout their body more strongly, causing more damage.



yes the reason ppl get hurt in drink driving accidents is because they were too stiff

if they had just loostened up a bit and relaxed that large ball of metal heading their way at 60 mph would have merely bounced off them :rolleyes:

[RonH]

BS

let me elbow you on the face and lets see how well ur face copes k ?

That would require me to relax my facial and neck muscles and made sure my jaw was slacked, if I really wanted to take the force. It'd also involve making sure my spine was loose, as well as my upper body. Having my lower body loose, too, would help, but it isn't really necessary.

no the reason you are limp is because you had your arse kicked mate

The reason I'm limp is because I've done taijiquan for many years.

seriously if u have ever taken a full on kick to the ribs you would know that u dont just go
oh well and go limp

I've been kicked in far worse places than the ribs. If I'm able to see an attack coming and I'm unable to avoid it, I let my body go limp and 'roll' with the hit. What's so hard to think that someone could have developed that kind of reflexive action?

yes the reason ppl get hurt in drink driving accidents is because they were too stiff

if they had just loostened up a bit and relaxed that large ball of metal heading their way at 60 mph would have merely bounced off them :rolleyes:

You really do need to examin accidents.

[xcakid]

BS



no the reason you are limp is because you had your arse kicked mate





:D ROFLMAO :D Well said!!

Have to say. In my limited stint fighting in SanShou matches back in the day. I did go limp everytime I got hit hard. One time I even ended up napping for a few seconds.

So there may be a correlation between getting hit, going limp and absorbing the follow up shots. :D

[cjurakpt]

The reason I'm limp is because I've done taijiquan for many years.

I'd suggest Viagra...

[SimonM]

That would require me to relax my facial and neck muscles and made sure my jaw was slacked, if I really wanted to take the force. It'd also involve making sure my spine was loose, as well as my upper body. Having my lower body loose, too, would help, but it isn't really necessary.



Sounds like a good way to get a dislocated jaw. Me, I'd rather put my arm in the way and not get hit in the face to begin with.

[RonH]

He did want to know how I'd do against an elbow to the face.

[cjurakpt]

He did want to know how I'd do against an elbow to the face.

this could be the next KFM inspired post-Springer/Osiris video...anyone wiling to travel?

[SimonM]

I wish. Saving up for moving back to Canada from China in July. Bringing the wife along and that's going to cost a bit. :)

[golden arhat]

I'd suggest Viagra...

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH

[golden arhat]

That would require me to relax my facial and neck muscles and made sure my jaw was slacked, if I really wanted to take the force. It'd also involve making sure my spine was loose, as well as my upper body. Having my lower body loose, too, would help, but it isn't really necessary.


yes and after all that u would still be slumped in a corner crying about how your jaw is broken and yelling at me to call an ambulance (and or heal yourself with your special qi powers):rolleyes:

The reason I'm limp is because I've done taijiquan for many years.


taiji doesnt make u limp any body could tell you that, it makes u more relaxed
but firm also


I've been kicked in far worse places than the ribs. If I'm able to see an attack coming and I'm unable to avoid it, I let my body go limp and 'roll' with the hit. What's so hard to think that someone could have developed that kind of reflexive action?
[QUOTE]
prove it, get a muay thai guy to kick you full on and film it

and then get to the accident and emergency department ASAP


You really do need to examin accidents.

okay u go get drunk and play in traffic then go limp

examine that

[Shaolin Wookie]

Welcome to my sig.

Time to go back under the bridge, or back into the closet, Ron.

[RonH]

yes and after all that u would still be slumped in a corner crying about how your jaw is broken and yelling at me to call an ambulance (and or heal yourself with your special qi powers):rolleyes:

I wouldn't be slumped in a corner, I wouldn't be crying, my jaw wouldn't be broken and I wouldn't need to say to get an ambulance, yelling or otherwise.

Mockery is not a counterargument.

taiji doesnt make u limp any body could tell you that, it makes u more relaxed
but firm also

The required level of being limp, as well as the speed to become limp to prevent damage from being as bad as it can be, requires you to be relaxed.

Strength comes form being soft, not hard.


okay u go get drunk and play in traffic then go limp

examine that

So, instead of actually doing the footwork to examin accidents involving drunks, you want to bury your head in the sand and plug your fingers in your ears, screaming 'LALALALA!'

If you truly did have a counterargument, you would be using it. Not this petty moaning.

Welcome to my sig.

Time to go back under the bridge, or back into the closet, Ron.

So, you are now refusing to even address any points made by either myself or you. A counterargument this does not make.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Strength comes form being soft, not hard.

Then hit them with your nads. Clearly your fists and your hands, your feet, elbows, shins, forearms, head (well, in your case it seems to be full of mush, so it's alright in your case), and your knees are your weakest weapons.


So, you are now refusing to even address any points made by either myself or you. A counterargument this does not make.


And speaking in discombobulated sentences does not make you yoda.

[Knifefighter]

So, instead of actually doing the footwork to examin accidents involving drunks, you want to bury your head in the sand and plug your fingers in your ears, screaming 'LALALALA!'

Ron- please cite your sources for your claim that being drunk and relaxed results in less chance of becomming injured or killed in an automobile crash.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I'm pretty sure it's a posteriori argument. Stress on the posterior, which is where it is coming from.

[RonH]

Then hit them with your nads. Clearly your fists and your hands, your feet, elbows, shins, forearms, head (well, in your case it seems to be full of mush, so it's alright in your case), and your knees are your weakest weapons.

Blatant strawman. What have we been talking about lately on this issue? Flexibility/limpness in being able to take punishment. The same is true with an elbow to the face.

What's clear is that you didn't stay on topic.

And speaking in discombobulated sentences does not make you yoda.

This has nothing to do with yoda. Pay attention.

I'm pretty sure it's a posteriori argument. Stress on the posterior, which is where it is coming from.

And, instead of providing a suitable counterpoint, you treat your position, as if it was the defacto one and then, mock. This does not make you any more right.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Any more right does not a rightness make in an argument that does not an argument make, with a poster that a troll makes.

[BlueTravesty]

Don't you mean

"Any more right, this does not make you, hmmmm?"

[Shaolin Wookie]

The only way that one can truly cause one's body to fold around the impact of a fist or elbow, is if one puts on 400 lbs. and the fist and elbow sink into the fat man's flesh.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Don't you mean

"Any more right, this does not make you, hmmmm?"

BT, please make this bad man stop........:D

[Knifefighter]

RonH = typical "internal artist" with no experience in real time applications.

[lkfmdc]

oh come on, if after all this anyone ever bothers to enter into a discussion with fantasy land, LARP'ing, living in his own world, chi blasting "Ron" then they need to have their head examined......

[RonH]

The only way that one can truly cause one's body to fold around the impact of a fist or elbow, is if one puts on 400 lbs. and the fist and elbow sink into the fat man's flesh.

The degree of being able to fold around an impacting item isn't required to be at the level that exists for gift wrapping around a box. All that's required is a significant bend within the body.

Any more right does not a rightness make in an argument that does not an argument make, with a poster that a troll makes.

And, instead of owning up to what you have done by arguing a blatant strawman and then, proceeding to mock what I said, you have continued to show an increasing lack of a desire for honesty in the discussion.

But, I do know that you're better than that. You are better than the likes of Knifefighter and lkfmdc who can do nothing now, but just throw verbal barbs my way because I don't speak to them anymore. Their petty sniping continues to degrade their position, but they gave up caring about that. All they want to do now is try to get me rilled up enough that I'd be so mad that I'd actually speak to them again.

One example of it can be seen with that pic of the fat guy with the beer can that lkfmdc posted. The post after post of accusations that I'm LARPing. And, unless he's accusing me of being a meat salad, his proclamations that I'm a role-player are really nothing more than a desperate attempt to get me to interact with him again. The overgeneralized crap that like other internalists, I have no experience by Knifefighter.

So, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let you cool off. Get it out of your system and when you have, we can continue this discussion more honestly and in a mature fashion. Acting with school yard rules is not conducive to an honest discussion and a free flow of ideas. When you have gotten it out of your system, post in this thread that you have or send me a PM.

[Shaolin Wookie]

And, instead of owning up to what you have done by arguing a blatant strawman and then, proceeding to mock what I said, you have continued to show an increasing lack of a desire for honesty in the discussion.

No, that lack was on your part, when you said fighting is a form of dancing, that all it takes is a deft touch to thwart a punch, and that strength is irrelevant in fighting. Oh, and that other part about everything you've said in this and that other thread, and maybe everything in general.;)

But, I do know that you're better than that. You are better than the likes of Knifefighter and lkfmdc who can do nothing now, but just throw verbal barbs my way because I don't speak to them anymore.

Troll 101: boost his ego, maybe he'll take you seriously.

Well, I am a belle for flattery. Comment on my biceps. Do you like them, suga?

The overgeneralized crap that like other internalists, I have no experience by Knifefighter.

Problem is, they're right. Have you ever stood in front of a NHB fighter and had him throw down on you (even if light contact)? I did. It was quite frightening.....honest. And I'm an externalist (stupid word, anyways); an internalist would have been mincemeat. At least I had the good sense to bob and weave, jab, and kick low. Your roll backs=Oh my god, I just got KFO'd, and now I'm falling, and rolling back across the floor, and now I'm KO'd and drooling on the mat.....hey, my ward off is kind of like the motion I use to wipe off a table, so at least I'll be able to wipe my blood and drool off the mats. And hey, grasping the sparrow's tail is kind of like picking up my teeth, so at least I can use them there.

Tai Chi can be used with fighting applications. The question is, should it?

So, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna let you cool off. Get it out of your system and when you have, we can continue this discussion more honestly and in a mature fashion. Acting with school yard rules is not conducive to an honest discussion and a free flow of ideas. When you have gotten it out of your system, post in this thread that you have or send me a PM.

I'm sorry. Here, I blew my cool. I admit it. Let's talk seriously on this issue. I love trolls, deep down. I really do.

[Knifefighter]

All they want to do now is try to get me rilled up enough that I'd be so mad that I'd actually speak to them again..

LOL... nope, don't care about talking to you one way or another. You just need to put up a video of you doing any one of the things you have advocated. Until then, you are full of sh!t.

[Vankuen]

I took a shot in the balls once, but because my balls were relaxed....

[RonH]

I'm sorry. Here, I blew my cool. I admit it. Let's talk seriously on this issue. I love trolls, deep down. I really do.

I'm not sure which to believe. You have started to discuss the points of my post, as you had before, but given you definition of a troll, this could very well have been a way to get me to reply again, viewing a more civil discussion would be a boost to my ego. For most things in my life, ego doesn't factor in, so it wouldn't be a fctor, but the fact that your quote of me remains in your signature, especially when it was put in there during a time of increasing furtherance of gaining towards where you had gone earlier today makes me question the validity.

In the end, it boils down to seeing what happens.

No, that lack was on your part, when you said fighting is a form of dancing, that all it takes is a deft touch to thwart a punch, and that strength is irrelevant in fighting.

First off, I didn't say it was a form of dancing. I said the martial arts version of ballet. The dancing version of martial arts is what's seen a lot in the performance pieces of several modern styles and solo competition events.

I said to treat it as mostly a dance, in the sense of smooth, graceful actions with not a lot of strength behind them. Not at the levels used to break concrete blocks. This was in reference to energy conservation.

And you don't need a lot of energy to defect an incoming limb/meelee weapon. You just need the amount needed to knock it off course. The severity of how much it's knocked off course doesn't have to be very far. A miss is still a miss, whether it's inches or feet. But, that does not mean to treat it entirely as a literal dance.

Troll 101: boost his ego, maybe he'll take you seriously.

Well, I am a belle for flattery. Comment on my biceps. Do you like them, suga?

Where the hell have you been spending your online time? I've never come across that definition. I've always known it, as well as pretty much everyone else I've come across outside of this board, and including some on this one, as a troll being someone that flamebaits, causes trouble just to cause trouble.

Problem is, they're right.

Only when viewing things in such an ultralimited perspective.

Have you ever stood in front of a NHB fighter and had him throw down on you (even if light contact)?

I've sparred with wrestlers, grapplers, JMA people, middle eastern fighters, western europeans, CMAers, both armed and unarmed. Outside of sparring, I've run up against people with home made weapons (lead pipes, wrenches, pens, rocks, molatov c#cktails) and against others with knives, guns (actually fired with the bullets flying past me), explosives.

And before knifefighter goes and asks about video posting what I've said to back it up, the bad guys typically aren't accomodating. I don't get attacked by those wankers that are stupid enough to videotap who they assualt and post it online. Those people that do are not the smart attackers. That's why they're often posted by disaffected youth.

I did. It was quite frightening.....honest.

You need to free yourself of your fear of loosing, of not being good enough.

And I'm an externalist (stupid word, anyways);

It is technically accurate.

an internalist would have been mincemeat.

A properly trained internalist would have been successful, as would a properly trained externalist.

Tai Chi can be used with fighting applications. The question is, should it?

If you know what you're doing.

[Knifefighter]

I've always known it, as well as pretty much everyone else I've come across outside of this board, and including some on this one, as a troll being someone that flamebaits, causes trouble just to cause trouble.

A troll is someone who posts things that are false as if they were true... exactly what you do.

And before knifefighter goes and asks about video posting what I've said to back it up, the bad guys typically aren't accomodating. I don't get attacked by those wankers that are stupid enough to videotap who they assualt and post it online. Those people that do are not the smart attackers. That's why they're often posted by disaffected youth..

I'm not saying you need to show videos of this.


I've sparred with wrestlers, grapplers, JMA people, middle eastern fighters, western europeans, CMAers, both armed and unarmed.

These are the clips that would be easy for you to post. But of course, everyone knows you are not sparring with other people and that it will never happen.

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[cjurakpt]

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ok, but if you really want to get on the Official List, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that...

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i knew it from the beginning
i want off the status pending list

lol

[SimonM]

I think that list would include the names of 90% of the people who have read the thread. Anyone who thinks that they can win a fight by being all limp has never been in a fight. Period.

[golden arhat]

Where the hell have you been spending your online time? I've never come across that definition. I've always known it, as well as pretty much everyone else I've come across outside of this board, and including some on this one, as a troll being someone that flamebaits, causes trouble just to cause trouble.


i fail to see the difference between u and a troll in fact if anything u've made me believe that u are a troll even more



Only when viewing things in such an ultralimited perspective.

i think you are the one with the limited perspective
what kind of martial artist throws concepts such as strength and weight out of the window
accepting just his own view

hmmmmm


I've sparred with wrestlers, grapplers, JMA people, middle eastern fighters, western europeans, CMAers, both armed and unarmed

almost everyone has sparred with a western european
they make up most of the population of western europe and north america
u never said what art they did

the same with middle eastern fighters

middle eastern fighters doing what ?

wrestlers and grapplers wait arent they the same thing ?
its like sayn ive sparred with boxers and punchers :rolleyes:

jma ppl ?
oh i see
hip to fist karate ppl ?
oh wait no aikidoka who are just as deluded about fighting as you are !

. Outside of sparring, I've run up against people with home made weapons (lead pipes, wrenches, pens, rocks, molatov c#cktails) and against others with knives, guns (actually fired with the bullets flying past me), explosives.

OMG I NEVER NEW MEL GIBSON DID TAIJI !
wow i'm so honoured



And before knifefighter goes and asks about video posting what I've said to back it up, the bad guys typically aren't accomodating. I don't get attacked by those wankers that are stupid enough to videotap who they assualt and post it online. Those people that do are not the smart attackers. That's why they're often posted by disaffected youth.

lol u said wanker even tho ur not english
hhahah



You need to free yourself of your fear of loosing, of not being good enough.

u try it

and post a video of you trying it

right now if u doubt him
go to an mma class
and challenge someone there to a fight on film and put it up here

ok ?
other wise

STFU




A properly trained internalist would have been successful, as would a properly trained externalist.

no

no they wouldnt

simple fact


If you know what you're doing.

since you so obviously do

POST A GOD **** VIDEO !

[viper]

Tho i respect the IDEA hes trying to input. I think from previous EXP going limp leads to a unsatified opponent Rofl.
Honestly limp gets you injuried. From my point of view its a happy medium not limp but not rock hard. During a proper fight the body unless you have alot of exp and a good mental mindset will be fairly tense prepared for the hits. But if he could PROVE his theory well thatd be better then all talk. The idea everyone elser it seems is putting forth is proven his not so much.

Ps just my thoughts on this

[sunfist]

There are plenty of talented internal martial artists. The sad part is that for every one of them, there are at least 10 hippies.

Like showertime in prison, it hurts you deeply at first, but you learn to stop caring.

[RonH]

i knew it from the beginning
i want off the status pending list
lol

There has never been any status pending list for any reason. Knifefighter and cjurakpt are in no position to say whether a list for anything regarding my views exists.

I think that list would include the names of 90% of the people who have read the thread. Anyone who thinks that they can win a fight by being all limp has never been in a fight. Period.

If you had read the reasons why I had stated before on why I'm no longer speaking to them, that would make the idea that automatically 90% of the people that have read this thread would be on such a list is a rush to judgement.

Also, I must point out that you have used a strawman. It is not my position you can win a fight by being entirely limp the entire time. The position I take uses, as one facet, the idea that 4 ounces can be used to defeat 1,000 pounds. Whether against a single opponent or a dozen, this facet still applies. But, keep in mind. It is only one of several that need to be used for success.

If you reread what I have written and remember the context of what it has been written in, it should be easier to understand.

i fail to see the difference between u and a troll in fact if anything u've made me believe that u are a troll even more

Thanks to Shaolin Wookie, there has been 2 entirely different definitions of a troll. If you post what your definition is, it'll be much easier to explain. At the moment, there is no frame of reference.

i think you are the one with the limited perspective
what kind of martial artist throws concepts such as strength and weight out of the window
accepting just his own view

1) Being an individual, I do have my own perspective, which is limited. However, it is far less limited than say Knifefighter.
2) I have done no such thing when it comes to strength and weight. If you read what I wrote to SimonM, as well as reread what I've already written in this thread and pay closer attention to exactly what I've said and the context it was said in, you will see that I have been talking about energy conservation, but I have never stated or even implied that strength and weight are meaningless when it comes to fighting. If you got that I did, that's your own fault. Not mine.

almost everyone has sparred with a western european
they make up most of the population of western europe and north america
u never said what art they did

the same with middle eastern fighters

middle eastern fighters doing what ?

There has been a wide range of styles and methods for each subgroup. In the interest of brevity, I named it by region.

wrestlers and grapplers wait arent they the same thing ?
its like sayn ive sparred with boxers and punchers :rolleyes:

Not quite. How I define it has grapplers focusing more on joint locks than not. You're more likely to see someone throw someone against the elastic ropes of a ring and the thrower bouncing off another set to help build up speed to do a jump kick at the thrown guy with wrestlers than grapplers, in my experience.

I've never heard of sumo grapplers. They push people out of the cirlce. They also don't call high school and college wrestlers high school and college grapplers. What they do involves more flipping people over and pushing them away. To me, wrestling is more an overarching term, which can involve grappling. You can attack the legs in grappling (submission wrestling) and freestyle, but you can't in greco-roman. And greco-roman is still wrestling.

jma ppl ?
oh i see
hip to fist karate ppl ?
oh wait no aikidoka who are just as deluded about fighting as you are !

Your continued use of fallacious logic doesn't support your position. Please refrain from using such thinking in the future.

OMG I NEVER NEW MEL GIBSON DID TAIJI !
wow i'm so honoured

Was this supposed to get me rilled up? By calling me the name of a racist and an alcoholic? If that was your intention, you failed miserably at it. Because of your failure, I'd suggest a new tactic, which is to not use it. All it does is make you petty and small.

lol u said wanker even tho ur not english
hhahah

I am English. Part of my ancestry is an Irish/English mix. The only regional group I'm not is whatever region you want to call eskimos and Asian. It'd be best if you didn't jump to conclusions like that. They do nothing to help you.

u try it

I did do it. That's one reason why I'm where I am today.

and post a video of you trying it

When one has already attained something, there is no need to post a video showing that they are trying to accomplish something. It's already happened.

right now if u doubt him
go to an mma class
and challenge someone there to a fight on film and put it up here
ok ?
other wise
STFU

No.

I never said I doubted Shaolin Wookie ever felt that way. We have all felt that way before. Your continued use of strawmen will not show your position to be right because it is inherently faulty from the get go.

no

no they wouldnt

simple fact

Right, because you're the end all and be all of what is successful in the ring. To hell with what anyone else thinks. Sure, keep thinking that.

since you so obviously do

POST A GOD **** VIDEO !

And at this point, I'm supposed to trust that if I did, I wouldn't be accused on not being the one in the video or accused of not using any internal principles, only the external ones? Uh huh.

Tho i respect the IDEA hes trying to input. I think from previous EXP going limp leads to a unsatified opponent Rofl.
Honestly limp gets you injuried. From my point of view its a happy medium not limp but not rock hard. During a proper fight the body unless you have alot of exp and a good mental mindset will be fairly tense prepared for the hits. But if he could PROVE his theory well thatd be better then all talk. The idea everyone elser it seems is putting forth is proven his not so much.

Ps just my thoughts on this

What I would need to do is show the underlying principles and if they are attainable.

1) Having a higher elastic limit lets your body take more punishment before failure. Take silly putting. It's very soft and bendable. You can smash it with a quick strike with a hammer and it breaks up into tiny pieces, but you can put those pieces back together and have the ball of putty once again.

There are some materials that are brittle and have a low density, while they are hard. They'll fracture with a hammer and chisel. Some materials, like iron, are soft (relatively speaking) and can more easily deform, despite its denisty. If a bullet is fired at it, it can be dented, if it doesn't go all the way through, which would depend on the bullet and what it's fired from.

2) How one increases the body's elastic limit is through meditation by relaxing the body enough, so the body parts will start to soften (like the muscles and tendons), so they can be stretched more easily when doing stretching exercises because there is less tension. There are those people that do gymnastics that are Gumbi-like in what they can do with their bodies. What they're taught is to relax their minds and 'feel' the body parts opening up, like their back and the muscles on the inner sides and the back of their legs. Their continued practice gives them both the increased elasticity and strength, which couldn't be done, if they wouldn't let their minds relax in the first place.

In the instance of being put into a heavy bag and having that bag be kicked and punched or to take an elbow to the face, the best thing to do to passively survive it with the least amount of damage done to your body is to be pliable enough to let your body absorb the energy coming at you. To free up the areas where it is most stiff in the body, so that the elastic limit of the area struck is increased, allowing it to return to normal with or without bruising.

[golden arhat]

Thanks to Shaolin Wookie, there has been 2 entirely different definitions of a troll. If you post what your definition is, it'll be much easier to explain. At the moment, there is no frame of reference.



one that posts random cr@p designed to inflame arguments

but then u might just be an idiot



There has been a wide range of styles and methods for each subgroup. In the interest of brevity, I named it by region.



only the methods were important

it matters not weither they were any particular race




Was this supposed to get me rilled up? By calling me the name of a racist and an alcoholic? If that was your intention, you failed miserably at it. Because of your failure, I'd suggest a new tactic, which is to not use it. All it does is make you petty and small.


if you werent a ret@rd u would know i was making that reference because of mel gibson was in a host of action movie's

and u said u had been assaulted by
molotov ****tails
guns
knifes
etc

actually i'm beginning to think u spend all ur time playing grand theft auto

I am English. Part of my ancestry is an Irish/English mix. The only regional group I'm not is whatever region you want to call eskimos and Asian. It'd be best if you didn't

most north american's are english/irish/ decendant

so u have an english accent ?
well then dont use the word

u sound like an idiot

When one has already attained something, there is no need to post a video showing that they are trying to accomplish something. It's already happened.


oh so u cant do what you claim then ?
u could find a sparring partner make a video and youtube it in an instant if u actually had the stones to try any of the cr@p ur professing

Right, because you're the end all and be all of what is successful in the ring. To hell with what anyone else thinks. Sure, keep thinking that.

[Shaolinlueb]

SHAOLIN WOOKIE wrote
The reason the MMA fighter would dominate, is that he won't expect as much coming in, because he knows a punch can come in at every angle, and doesn't have to protect a centerline for the sake of the centerline. A kick can be used multitudes of ways, and doesn't always use the same striking surface. But as soon as you're engaged, he can generally predict your temper, striking method, and weakness, b/c he's exposed to so many stylisms, he has to be able to do this in order to keep up to tempo in his art.

i laughed at this. if your kung fu school doesnt train a punch to come in at different angles and kicks then you are missing out. its experience of the teacher too.

a good kung fu teacher should teach you about all aspects of fighting. you shouldn't have to be an mma mark. of course this means you have to find a teacher who has actually fought which 90% of them out there have not.

i see to many schools practicing things and are like, "if it comes in this way you do this" blah blah. that will teach you to get your ass kicked. you should be able to block and use any move instead of just 1 set of blocks and counter.

[Shaolinlueb]

as for multiple attackers you can thoerize on things all day. best thing to do from what i have encountered is to try to get them to come at you 1 on 1. don't let yourself get surrounded.

from there you can run, which i recommend. or you can take the guy out, beat one so bad you hope his friends learn their lesson.

[RonH]

one that posts random cr@p designed to inflame arguments

but then u might just be an idiot

Given that I haven't done that, I'm not a troll by your definition. My intention has never been to inflame arguments. Just because anyone gets all in a huff over something I said, that isn't on me. Take this thread. All of my posts have been in earnest. I have made no attempt at hiding my true feelings on this matter. While I have done that, there have been people that have mocked what I've said and me personally. It's not unexpected, since they consist mostly of the same people that have been doing it for some time.

The posts I made to them were also just as earnest as the ones I have made to you, Shaolin Wookie and everyone else in this thread. But...I'm not the one speaking to them. They continue to insist on speaking to me. Their words have no power over me, yet mine still have power over them, whatever the reason may be. It could even be said, from their perspective, that they want to eliminate as much crap from the martial arts community, as they can and that's why they keep posting what they write. Except, trying to lob verbal bombs and pictures my way do nothing. It doesn't even make me want to speak to them again, yet they keep at it. I've still got power over them. If I didn't, they wouldn't still be doing what they're doing.

And I'm supposedly the idiot?

only the methods were important

it matters not weither they were any particular race

There is more to fighting styles than 'stick and move' ideas. There's philosophy, culture. Each area of the planet, even with increasing globalization, still has characteristics that are distinct within themselves for all parts of that area. This includes fighting abilities.

But, as I said, I listed them the way I did for issues of brevity.

if you werent a ret@rd u would know i was making that reference because of mel gibson was in a host of action movie's

1) You waste your time by calling me a retard.
2) Given the types of vitriol you've be posting in response to what I've written, it shouldn't be surprising that your reference to Mel Gibson would be taken in that light.

and u said u had been assaulted by
molotov ****tails
guns
knifes
etc

actually i'm beginning to think u spend all ur time playing grand theft auto

I've never played that game or any of its variations. The only things in the last 10-15 years or so that are computer/video games that I've played are solitare and pinball on my laptop. But, that was when I got it last year.

most north american's are english/irish/ decendant

so u have an english accent ?

Yes.

well then dont use the word

No.

u sound like an idiot

I don't care what you think I sound like when I say it.

oh so u cant do what you claim then ?

No, I can't film an attempt at doing something because that implies I've never done it before.

u could find a sparring partner make a video and youtube it in an instant if u actually had the stones to try any of the cr@p ur professing

I'm quote myself from eariler: 'And at this point, I'm supposed to trust that if I did, I wouldn't be accused of not being the one in the video or accused of not using any internal principles, only the external ones? Uh huh.'

[golden arhat]

ur the idiot ?


well ....yes basically

u are the guy who recomends letting ur face go limp while u get elbowed

nuff said really

[RonH]

That's it? I do understand the appearance appeal of leaving your point 'short and sweet' like that and that is often a good thing when you've explained your stance well previously. Your problem is that you haven't explained your stance well, which is supposed to be the opposite of mine, which is what you keep saying. You don't say any evidence, taking your stance to be the de facto one. You even don't give any underlying principles for your stance. No one is above not giving underlying principles. Your continued insistance to mock is not a substitute for evidence or underlying principles.

And what about any of the other points I made? That there's more to a fighting style than stick and move, bob and weave. Anymore repartee about my accent? Are there any questions in the back of your mind about what else I feel is appropriate (as I have stated previously) when fighting multiple attackers, being able to take being in a heavy bag that's being kicked and punched or taking an elbow to the face with a minimum of damage? I know those questions are in you.

I've already given my position, as well as provided some (but not all) of my reasoning for that position, some of the underlying principles and how they can be achieved. I'm still wondering when you'll do the same as I.

[golden arhat]

look

its plain and simple really

going limp when u get hit is a sure way to be sent to accident and emergency

go and train mma and fight with one of those guys and try and use all your fancy cr@p there

i tried before
it simply doesnt work

i believe yielding with a blow has its use rediecting etc i do (well i did, before my injury) use these principles alot

moving out of the way pushing punches over and around etc
i quite like taiji and i think it has alot to offer

i think ur understanding of it is flawed

yielding doesnt mean letting your face go limp to absorb a blow it means pushing the punch out of the way
or stopping the elbow pushing it back and launching ur own attack

tho u may have attached yourself to this taoist well lets say it ...dogma
there is also alot to be said for the direct exernal and simple approach of blocking etc

both different sides of the same coin
just because u favor yielding doesnt mean u have to take it past the point of logic and let your body absorb elbows to the face

it doesnt work simple as

if u can get a video of u taking an elbow to the face going limp and coming off just fine then i'l glady watch it and believe u

again tho yielding has its purpose it wont stop u being run over and dying
come on be honest

if u are hit by a car and yield and relaxed u will still die or get seriously hurt
u know this to be true

[Knifefighter]

This message is hidden because RonH, with his completely clueless posts, is on your ignore list. You will never have to read his inane statements again.

Ah, I love the Ignore option.

[Pork Chop]

ahhh man....
no offense to myjhong people or the johnny lee org, but i believe the clip speaks for itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrpACwkpQ44

i like kung fu.
i think there's good stuff there to take away and use.
sorry, i just can't drink the multiple attacker koolaid

i think situational awareness is a much better topic of study.
using a little can help you control just fighting one guy at a time, or keep you from getting into many-on-one situations in the first place.

[RonH]

Now, there you go! I knew you could do it, if I was patient with you. :) This is what I'm talking about. Not just posting 'it sucks because I say so' posts. And some were quick to put you on a pending list. :p

look

its plain and simple really

going limp when u get hit is a sure way to be sent to accident and emergency

go and train mma and fight with one of those guys and try and use all your fancy cr@p there

I have. One thing that you get from going limp with ground fighting, is that you conserve energy during the times when you need a very quick blast of it. Another (amongst other things) is that keeping the muscles and tendons in a particular part of your body loose and limp lets them bend further than you would normally expect. You can use this to free yourself from joint locks, like ones on shoulders. You can twist your shoulder around more and slip it out easier.

i tried before
it simply doesnt work

Can you give me an example? There might be something I've used myself that you might be able to use, too.

i believe yielding with a blow has its use rediecting etc i do (well i did, before my injury) use these principles alot

What kind of injury?

moving out of the way pushing punches over and around etc
i quite like taiji and i think it has alot to offer

i think ur understanding of it is flawed

Are you referring to my premise of increasing the elastic limit of the body, as well?

yielding doesnt mean letting your face go limp to absorb a blow it means pushing the punch out of the way
or stopping the elbow pushing it back and launching ur own attack

To use the word yeild, I'd define it as not putting up a resistence to an incoming force. In this instance, it would mean letting the body part struck move with the incoming force. Now, because of the connection the other parts of the body have with the body part struck, that would mean increasing the flexibility/elastic limit of not only the body part struck, but the nearby and connected tissue, as well.

This is what I meant earlier when I said letting the body flow around an incoming limb or weapon.

tho u may have attached yourself to this taoist well lets say it ...dogma
there is also alot to be said for the direct exernal and simple approach of blocking etc

True, that is, but given that it started with the idea of me being put into a heavy bag and closed up in it, while said bag was kicked and punched, I can't put a limb up because I can't see where the attack is coming. And listening for voids of sound, which is where blidnfighting could come in, would be defeated because there is an overall decrease in surrounding sound because I'm zipped up in the bag.

Now, that being said, there is the flip side of the methodology I would use. Letting the body go limp for passive work is coupled with the active work of remembering that I have the self-control to not let my elastic limit not reach its limit (causing me major damage) and that while I'm struck, I should do my best to continue to let my body move around and away from the incoming attack.

Let's look at a couple examples. Say I'm in the bag, my knees are about 6 inches from my chest and my shoulders are pushed a little forward because of the shape of the bag. Shaolin Wookie is outside the bag and he punches at my left shoulder and I feel the force move my shoulder to my right.

What would be required of me is that, just as when I get struck by a force when I'm outside the bag, I need to move my body with the force of the incoming punch. And, at the same time, move my shoulder away from the direction of the force of the incoming punch, out to the side of the force's path. I could end the shoulder move by making it follow a circular path, as I bring it back to the position it was in before it got hit. Now, that's gonna require that I move my upper body to my right, which might require some turning of my hips, depending on how much room I have to maneuver inside the bag. I might be able to use my toes to help push my hips up a little, as I press them against the side of the bag.

For another example, say Shaolin Wookie did a heel kick, which landed on my upper back. As soon as I felt pressure on my back, I need to make sure that it feels like the muscles of my back and shoulders relax and spread out and I push my shoulders back a little, around his foot, as I lean forward. I'd push the air out of my lungs as quickly, as possible, while pushing my diaphragm down.

It takes a little time, but you can get your body to reflexively 'flow' around an impact.

both different sides of the same coin
just because u favor yielding doesnt mean u have to take it past the point of logic and let your body absorb elbows to the face

If one is to take it to the face and have a minimum of damage afterwards, yeilding and staying limp and flexible, while you move away is the best way without trying to block it with a limb.

again tho yielding has its purpose it wont stop u being run over and dying
come on be honest
if u are hit by a car and yield and relaxed u will still die or get seriously hurt
u know this to be true

It is much larger than you, so you have to turn your body, so that you roll over it. You passively let it move under you, but you would need to be active in making sure that when upon the windshield, you don't just slam right into it. But, to do that, you'd need some trail runs first before the real thing.

[RonH]

i think situational awareness is a much better topic of study.
using a little can help you control just fighting one guy at a time, or keep you from getting into many-on-one situations in the first place.

Situational awareness is also important in defending against multiple attackers.

[Shaolin Wookie]

i laughed at this. if your kung fu school doesnt train a punch to come in at different angles and kicks then you are missing out. its experience of the teacher too.

a good kung fu teacher should teach you about all aspects of fighting. you shouldn't have to be an mma mark. of course this means you have to find a teacher who has actually fought which 90% of them out there have not.

i see to many schools practicing things and are like, "if it comes in this way you do this" blah blah. that will teach you to get your ass kicked. you should be able to block and use any move instead of just 1 set of blocks and counter.

Every teacher teaches defenses for attacks coming fromm all sorts of angles. Here's the problem. If he teaches you how poor a haymaker is in structure, and where it's weak, he never develops a haymaker. I've seen people with devastating haymakers. This NHB dude that was giving me tips had a wicked one. It was his KO, F you up, I'm not playing anymore-punch.

If you keep practicing defenses against a haymaker, and never throw one, you won't develop it. No wonder it will suck and have weaknesses.

You can't honestly sit there and tell me this isn't true about a lot of CMA.;)

[Shaolin Wookie]

And I'm supposedly the idiot?

We have to feed trolls, but of course trolls feed us a little. The only difference is, we take a polite break in the convo, excuse ourselves, and throw that nasty-tasting ordure up in the bathroom, wipe our mouths, and politely decline from eating it again.

As for the idiot part. I'm not saying you're an idiot. But I wouldn't say you're not an idiot.


Okay, okay, you're an idiot. Happy?;)



There is more to fighting styles than 'stick and move' ideas. There's philosophy, culture. Each area of the planet, even with increasing globalization, still has characteristics that are distinct within themselves for all parts of that area. This includes fighting abilities.

HAhahaha.........there's more to the art. Not to fighting. Fighitng is always visceral. The art isn't always so. Make that distincition, then come back and talk your jive.

1) You waste your time by calling me a retard.

You're assuming we wouldn't have spent that time calling someone else a retard.
You're here, blatantly retarded, and unaware. So we're calling you a retard to save time in searching for other retards. I believe we owe you some thanks. Thank you, for being a retard. It's appreciated.

[Shaolin Wookie]

ok, but if you really want to get on the Official List, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that...

So, can we rehash the list yet?:D

And I'm usually a pretty nice guy, I think.

[Shaolinlueb]

You can't honestly sit there and tell me this isn't true about a lot of CMA.;)

oh it is true. it is sadly true. there are so many bad schools out there.

[RonH]

We have to feed trolls, but of course trolls feed us a little. The only difference is, we take a polite break in the convo, excuse ourselves, and throw that nasty-tasting ordure up in the bathroom, wipe our mouths, and politely decline from eating it again.

As for the idiot part. I'm not saying you're an idiot. But I wouldn't say you're not an idiot.


Okay, okay, you're an idiot. Happy?;)

You need to meditate. You'll find that if you exercise a certain amount of self-control throughout the entire day, you won't have to waste your time worrying about throwing up, so you can get to where you were before. And, if you do meditate already, you have the meditating skills of an amateur. Buddhism can be good for you. There's a lot in there about ending your suffering.

[lkfmdc]

You need to meditate. And eat granola. And then you can be just like me! A clueless idiot!



this just in!

[bodhitree]

RonH goes a little beyond troll


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Deuche

[Shaolinlueb]

Deuche

a big bag of it.

[golden arhat]

this just in!


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

u should recieve an award

seriously

[RonH]

RonH goes a little beyond troll
new label
Deuche

Popularism from the peanut gallery doesn't help the arguments of Shaolin Wookie or golden arhat. A dog pile mockery does nothing to change the substance of what's actually said by them. Whatever the reasoning you've got for doing such a thing, it isn't working. You, and every other person that's doing the same thing in this thread, are failing miserably.

You need to get rid of your debating F game and try to go for something higher. Pretty much anything would be an improvement over this drivel. Even not posting anymore in this thread is an improvement for you, but I don't see it happening.

[cjurakpt]

Ron and Neal should get togther...can you imagine the two of them having a conversation?

[bodhitree]

sorry for my behavior

Popularism from the peanut gallery doesn't help the arguments of Shaolin Wookie or golden arhat. A dog pile mockery does nothing to change the substance of what's actually said by them. Whatever the reasoning you've got for doing such a thing, it isn't working. You, and every other person that's doing the same thing in this thread, are failing miserably.

You need to get rid of your debating F game and try to go for something higher. Pretty much anything would be an improvement over this drivel. Even not posting anymore in this thread is an improvement for you, but I don't see it happening.




































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[cjurakpt]

I think we may be updating the Official Do Not Reply To List very soon...

[bodhitree]

RonH (aka DUECHE)

why don't you just go e.d. and let the insult bounce off of you, uh, I mean limp:rolleyes:

[cjurakpt]

RonH (aka DUECHE)

why don't you just go e.d. and let the insult bounce off of you, uh, I mean limp:rolleyes:

bodhi: just out of curiosity, if I decide to post direct links to other threads illustrating why I think that RonH is beyond hope when it comes to having a normal discussion (like this one: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47322&highlight=chi+stories&page=2) or if I cut and paste stuff summarizing our interrractions (like here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=789176&postcount=104) and he gets all bent out of shape (like he did here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=789403&postcount=129) and complains to the mods, do you think I'm going to get in trouble?; mind you, this is all hypothetical, I'm not actually posting links (like this one: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=786466&postcount=23), only wondering if I should be more prudent in the future, instead of behaving in a way that he considers irresponsible? (such as linking to here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=788468&postcount=11)
anyway, just asking...

BTW, am I the only one that get the irony of this thread's title yet?

[brianK]

cjurakpt: You seem angry. You should ask Ron to send you a long distance qi ball of bliss. You'll start spontaneously healing everyone around you; it'll grow exponentially until billions are healed. Ron once told me to have a nice day, and a week later there was no more cancer in India.:eek: Your skepticism is really holding you back.

Brian- Just kidding. Ron never told me to have a nice day.;)

[lkfmdc]

cjurakpt: You seem angry.



how do I seem?



You should ask Ron to send you a long distance qi ball of bliss.

You'll start spontaneously healing everyone around you; it'll grow exponentially until billions are healed.



I can send you a ball of something if you give me a postal address. Everyone around you will instantly be aware of it, the local cats will even start to howl, we'll just call it "chi" for now




Ron once told me to have a nice day, and a week later there was no more cancer in India



and Ron cited that event as evidence of his theories in 12 different threads

[brianK]

Yeah, man, I was trying to be ironic or something. I guess since Ron hasn't put me on his ignore list yet, it's not clear what I think of his claims; but earlier this week he made some condescending remarks about healing my "hinderances", and that was what I was referencing. I'm on your side, and I like that san da for MMA program you've got going on.

Brian

[lkfmdc]

oh, I was just being funny (and difficult) and I like to pick on RonH

[cjurakpt]

cjurakpt: You seem angry.
it's true - and because of my anger, RonH is able to maintain power over me (like he says so, here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=792549&postcount=48)

You should ask Ron to send you a long distance qi ball of bliss. You'll start spontaneously healing everyone around you; it'll grow exponentially until billions are healed.
or at least I'll be sitting up straighter...

Ron once told me to have a nice day, and a week later there was no more cancer in India.:eek:
yeah - everyone had already died of malnutrition, malaria and AIDS...

Your skepticism is really holding you back.
the definition of skepticism I prefer is that one allows any long standing belief to be instantly disregarded when new evidence comes to the fore showing why a different way of thiking is actually the correct one (and I'm still waiting on that one); implying that ultimately one always has an open mind to the possibility of one's beliefe system being changed radicaly in a moment

[brianK]

lkmfdc:I thought you got it, just wasn't sure. Dry wit can be a little hard to pin down over the interweb.

Brian

[brianK]

cjurakpt: I'm a proud skeptic, myself. I think there is definitely value in some neigong/qigong/meditation practices, but we can only extract that value if we approach it in a non-dogmatic way. Claims about distance healing, and lin kong jin being able to easily drop Fedor aren't helping anyone. I'm not interested in Ron's qi balls (or any other of Ron's balls for that matter). I would like a bit of what he's been smoking, though.:D

Brian

[cjurakpt]

cjurakpt: I'm a proud skeptic, myself. I think there is definitely value in some neigong/qigong/meditation practices,
I agree wholeheartedly - I consider myself living proof they have benefit, but it doesn't justify susending one's ability to reason...

but we can only extract that value if we approach it in a non-dogmatic way.
bingo - otherwise it's self-aggrandizement (Trungpa's "spiritual materialsim" is an applicable term as well)

Claims about distance healing, and lin kong jin being able to easily drop Fedor aren't helping anyone.
again, my perspective is accountability - if I wasn't in the room when it happened, it can be attributable to just about anything else; Ron's amateur-hour perspective always seems to have a happy-ending that somehow works its way back to him - and he thinks he's not ego-driven...he still is laboring under the misapprehension that I care if he thinks the same things I do; and BTW, he originally offered to "teach" me about energy healing much in the same way he offered you "advice" about what was hindering you (we had similar responses) - in my tradition, we never offer anything directly if not asked - taking a page from the Buddha's habit of not opening his mouth until 2 AM only after being entreatied 3x - Ron on the other hand always seems just a bit too eager to help you, or the world, out for my taste...

I'm not interested in Ron's qi balls (or any other of Ron's balls for that matter). I would like a bit of what he's been smoking, though.:D
it's probably not cheap...

[bodhitree]

bodhi: just out of curiosity, if I decide to post direct links to other threads illustrating why I think that RonH is beyond hope when it comes to having a normal discussion (like this one: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47322&highlight=chi+stories&page=2) or if I cut and paste stuff summarizing our interrractions (like here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=789176&postcount=104) and he gets all bent out of shape (like he did here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=789403&postcount=129) and complains to the mods, do you think I'm going to get in trouble?; mind you, this is all hypothetical, I'm not actually posting links (like this one: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=786466&postcount=23), only wondering if I should be more prudent in the future, instead of behaving in a way that he considers irresponsible? (such as linking to here: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=788468&postcount=11)
anyway, just asking...

BTW, am I the only one that get the irony of this thread's title yet?

you shouldn't get in any trouble, at least I can't see any reason. I'm a mod and I'm calling DEUCHIE a DEUCHE

[RonH]

Yeah, man, I was trying to be ironic or something. I guess since Ron hasn't put me on his ignore list yet, it's not clear what I think of his claims; but earlier this week he made some condescending remarks about healing my "hinderances", and that was what I was referencing. I'm on your side, and I like that san da for MMA program you've got going on.

Brian

I've told you once before already that it wasn't condescension, as you thought it was. The hinderence I mentioned was done out of compassion for you. That's an entirely different thing. And, even with everything you've said in this thread, it doesn't change one bit of that compassion. All of it still remains with me.

[bodhitree]

I've told you once before already that it wasn't condescension, as you thought it was. The hinderence I mentioned was done out of compassion for you. That's an entirely different thing. And, even with everything you've said in this thread, it doesn't change one bit of that compassion. All of it still remains with me.


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DINGLEBERRY

[RonH]

you're just a regular old monk aren't you
DINGLEBERRY

Why do you continue to act in this fashion? Even when I'm showing concern for someone I don't know or haven't even met face-to-face and have barely spoken with at all, you still want to try to make me feel insulted? I'm beginning to think that you really just can't stand me being nice to or getting along with anyone to any degree on the board. It's a shame that you want to be this irrational.

[SaintSage]

Why do you continue to act in this fashion? Even when I'm showing concern for someone I don't know or haven't even met face-to-face and have barely spoken with at all, you still want to try to make me feel insulted? I'm beginning to think that you really just can't stand me being nice to or getting along with anyone to any degree on the board. It's a shame that you want to be this irrational.

I call BS.

Your compassion is pity. You think are better than the other people, you think you're "more enlightened" in someway. You call your perspective "less narrow" but talk as though your perspective was flawless as that of God or Dao. You speak to the forum as though you are a wise old man who has blessed us by coming down from the mountain. You try to sound wise, but your words are filled with arrogance. Your mountain is your ego, and you're not coming down, you're only rising higher and higher. We can barely even hear you now.

[golden arhat]

I call BS.

Your compassion is pity. You think are better than the other people, you think you're "more enlightened" in someway. You call your perspective "less narrow" but talk as though your perspective was flawless as that of God or Dao. You speak to the forum as though you are a wise old man who has blessed us by coming down from the mountain. You try to sound wise, but your words are filled with arrogance. Your mountain is your ego, and you're not coming down, you're only rising higher and higher. We can barely even hear you now.

agreed


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[Shaolin Wookie]

Why do you continue to act in this fashion? Even when I'm showing concern for someone I don't know or haven't even met face-to-face and have barely spoken with at all, you still want to try to make me feel insulted? I'm beginning to think that you really just can't stand me being nice to or getting along with anyone to any degree on the board. It's a shame that you want to be this irrational.

I agree, Ron H seems like a very compassionate man, once I meditate upon it. (I took your advice to heart, and now make a pilgrimage every morning 15 miles to Kennesaw Mountain, and meditate upon the grandeur of the mountain landscape). I was very impressed with the way he made himself soft when Bodhitree hit him with those insults, and thereby redirected that negative spiritual energy, hitting Bodhitree in the face.


Only, see, Bodhitrees are a kind of rubber tree, and Ron H practices sticky hands, so he's kind of sticky, and the insults just bounced back off Bodhitree , and stuck on Ron.

Please tell me what I should meditate upon, Ron H. I've been using some David Hasselhoff songs for koans, but I need some new material. He eats hamburgers, so I don't want this meat-eating to taint my Buddhist practices.

[lkfmdc]

we so clearly have a majority, let's just vote RonH off the island

(but first, we need to chain cinder blocks to both feet, put a hood over his head, find a bridge we can throw him off of...)

[yutyeesam]

we so clearly have a majority, let's just vote RonH off the island

(but first, we need to chain cinder blocks to both feet, put a hood over his head, find a bridge we can throw him off of...)

Only problem is, he'll reincarnate. You know, like Neilhytholt-->Lunghushan-->RonH-->?

[lkfmdc]

Only problem is, he'll reincarnate. You know, like Neilhytholt-->Lunghushan-->RonH-->?


you're right, we'll have to cut his head off, fill his mouth with garlic and pound a wooden stake into his heart, THEN throw him off the bridge

[Lucas]

no no no, you have to cremate and spread the ashes to the four winds.

[cjurakpt]

see, this is exactly what I was saying from the very first time he offered to "teach" me about "energy healing way back on our "what is chi" discussion: we disagreed about our respective approaches, my whole contenntion was that he lacked the training to understand how a professional handles working with people versus an amateur - his response was to tell me I didn't know enough about energy healing and offered to instrut me; of course, I declined, noting that I hadn't asked for instruction, wasn't interested in it, and clearly thought the whole thing was a load of crap to begin with

so now he's doing the same with others, offering them his services out of his boundless compassion

BS!!!!!

this is not compassion, it's an ego-driven superiority complex; Ron doesn't use his powers for good ;) he uses them as a way to make believe he is superior - and the way he does it, it's typical energy healing BS - the old "I can tell something deep and dark about you that you don't even realize about yourself"; he is basically so insecure that he has created areality in his mind where he personally is responsbile for people "spontaneously" resolving old illnesses just because he "sent them energy"; it's quackery of the highest order, charlatanism at its best - fortunately, he's the only one being bamboozled, since he basically does this without their knowledge! :confused::confused::confused:

the sad thing, he seems to think I and others actually take himseriously and that we post in hopes of trying to get a response out of him - hey Ron-o - I know you're not gonna respond to me, I don't care - if I write something, it's because it's fun to basically play along with your little troll game, that's about it; what's more, as I suspected, even when I "broke" your little rule about posting links to out chi discussion, what did you do? tell on me like you said you would? all talk...

now let me point out something funny - when he first got all "I am not going to talk to you anymore because you said mean things to me", it was just a few of us, before a larger number of people started responding to him - me, Dave, KF and 1bad5 were blacklisted because we called his BS for what it was; interestingly enough now, he's on to round two of this, with a whole new group of people (Shaolin Wookie, Golden Arhat, BrianK, Bodhitree, SaintSage) calling him on it the same way, and some insulting him way worse than we did (well, ok, be fair, except Dave...) - now instead of ignoring them, he's actually taking it - why? simple - because he realizes that it's not just a few stray voices but the entire crowd who think he's a nut job and that he's running out of people! at this rate, putting anyone who "offends" him on ignore will mean in short term he'll have a blank screen when he signs ono the forum

anyway, his trolling m/o was fun for a while - it was like Neal on 'ludes; but now it's just getting boring...

[yutyeesam]

no no no, you have to cremate and spread the ashes to the four winds.

From a Folger's tin, Big Lebowski style.

[Lucas]

The Dude Abides!

[lkfmdc]

well, ok, be fair, except Dave...



Chris, you are angry and insensitive, and I am insulted, so I am NOT going to ignore you, but you need to meditate, on the meaning of granola in your colon and upon what it is like to hug a tree while wearing an adult diaper, then you can understand the Dao as it really is, and become one with it all

[cjurakpt]

Chris, you are angry and insensitive, and I am insulted, so I am NOT going to ignore you, but you need to meditate, on the meaning of granola in your colon and upon what it is like to hug a tree while wearing an adult diaper, then you can understand the Dao as it really is, and become one with it all

Dave, your compassion is boundless, but if I deconstruct your motivation, it is abundantly clear that you are envious of the fact that I need a size 108 diaper to contain my "tree"; as for the rest, my colon is just fine, it sends you its fondest regards...

BTW, is NealH going to respond to this or is he just going to lurk and watch as his whole little world comes crashing down around his ears? will I be able to sleep tonight if he doesn't? curse himand his unholy powers...

[RonH]

I call BS.

Oh, it is a shame you, too, have allowed yourself to be this way.

Your compassion is pity.

No, it's sympathy. If you look at the definitions of pity and sympathy, you will see they are not the same. It is not my fault you want to strip the specific and blatant context that I have used and replace it with another.

You think are better than the other people, you think you're "more enlightened" in someway.

We are all more enlightened than everyone else in our own way. So what?

You call your perspective "less narrow"

Because it is. That isn't my fault.




Being edit:

Let's take an example from the last page, okay?

cjurakpt: 'now let me point out something funny - when he first got all "I am not going to talk to you anymore because you said mean things to me", it was just a few of us, before a larger number of people started responding to him - me, Dave, KF and 1bad5 were blacklisted because we called his BS for what it was; interestingly enough now, he's on to round two of this, with a whole new group of people (Shaolin Wookie, Golden Arhat, BrianK, Bodhitree, SaintSage) calling him on it the same way, and some insulting him way worse than we did (well, ok, be fair, except Dave...) - now instead of ignoring them, he's actually taking it - why? simple - because he realizes that it's not just a few stray voices but the entire crowd who think he's a nut job and that he's running out of people! at this rate, putting anyone who "offends" him on ignore will mean in short term he'll have a blank screen when he signs ono the forum'



Because of his far more limited perspective than mine, he lumps all these discussions I've had with many others together and says they should all be on my do no speak with list. His more limited perspective disregards the truth. The truth that the disussions were not the same. This here is nothing about ego. It's about fact. Objective fact. Facts, which cjurakpt is incapable of seeing because of his more limited perspective. He thinks it has something to do with whether or not someone thinks I'm a nut job or offends me. That is furthest from the truth.

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but talk as though your perspective was flawless as that of God or Dao.

That's a hasty assumption on your part. I have never outright said or suggested in the slightest that my way is completely and without a doubt the best way over any other that has ever been, currently is or ever will be.

Take the examples of being in a heavy bag or taking an elbow to the face. The methods I have described in part are what I would do. It has no baring on whether it is the only true way to do it or not, nor is it a reflection on what someone else might do. Both examples were presented to me and asked what I specifically would do.

You are adding a context to what I have said. What you might read as a view that is flawless is actually me being able to stick to and support my positions, while the other side mostly throws food from the peanut gallery because they are unwilling, for whatever reason, to produce a substantial counterargument. They believe in yelling down the competition, where the majority has purview over what is correct in the objective and absolute sense. Where strength is not taken from substance of thought and deed, but in numbers, regardless of what that shared view is. To confuse the issue and make enough noise that those that don't hold their view will go silently away and they can feel good about themselves because of their 'victory'.

I will say this. In my opinion, this post of yours that I'm quoting is actually one of the better posts in this thread for some time.

You speak to the forum as though you are a wise old man who has blessed us by coming down from the mountain.

I have a lot of knowledge and experience, as do a lot of others on this board. They come, they discuss. There's nothing that says I can't do the same. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have been able to have made my first post or any other post since.

You try to sound wise, but your words are filled with arrogance.

That's only because you are placing my words in an arrogant context.

I am curious as to what you think of the others in this thread? The ones that post altered pictures in an effort to ridicule me. The ones that twist what I say around into something I specifically didn't say and then, mock the alteration. The ones that are displaying the actions of 'me, tooers' by dog piling their contempt in loud and obnoxious ways. What of them? Do you give them a free pass because you think I'm arrogant?

Your mountain is your ego, and you're not coming down, you're only rising higher and higher.

My ego is my ego. A mountain is a mountain. For an analogy, this could have been better.

We can barely even hear you now.

Then, why do the lot of them keep quoting me, accurate or not, and posting a response? If it really was true that they can barely hear me now, they wouldn't be making these posts in response to what I say.

[bodhitree]

I think what everyone is trying to say is that you are a nutty, irrational, goofy, liar.

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DEUCHY DINGLEBERRY

[lkfmdc]

Oh, the shame you, too, to have allowed myself to bbe limp this way. All I want is sympathy. If you ever looked at me, once you stopped laughing, you would pitty me. I have a club foot and only one eye. It is not my fault the kids after school used to strip me and throw me into the lake. Why do they treat me like an idiot?

Because I am. But that isn't my fault.

OK, it is....


how many characters consitute 10?

[RonH]

I think what everyone is trying to say is that you are a nutty, irrational, goofy, liar.

and of course a

What you don't understand is that it's not about that at all, regardless of how many times I say it and regardless of how I say it.

[lkfmdc]

I think if RonH took up Shaolin Do and then challenge Rudy Abel to a fight, this thread would be a lot more entertaining, as of now, he's a bore

[DPL]

Pretty much guaranteed anytime somebody tells you they're more open-minded than you are, they're trying to convince themselves.

Everybody thinks they're more open-minded than the general public, just like everybody thinks they're better-than-average drivers. Doesn't play out too well logically, though, does it?

'Open-minded' is one of the premier bullsh!t terms of all time.

[cjurakpt]

welcome to the dingleberry zone - please leave all sense of reason and logic at the door; enjoy the ride!

[Shaolin Wookie]

I think if RonH took up Shaolin Do and then challenge Rudy Abel to a fight, this thread would be a lot more entertaining, as of now, he's a bore


I'd challenge him to a thumb war, if he didn't have such oppressive power over me, because of my insecurities.

[RonH]

Pretty much guaranteed anytime somebody tells you they're more open-minded than you are, they're trying to convince themselves.

Everybody thinks they're more open-minded than the general public, just like everybody thinks they're better-than-average drivers. Doesn't play out too well logically, though, does it?

'Open-minded' is one of the premier bullsh!t terms of all time.


Except, in my case, I have demonstrated that I am. I haven't posted altered pictures intended to mock, I haven't called anyone names. I've even given some of the evidence for why I have my position, which is far more than the opposition's 'believe me because I say so' reasoning. That isn't evidence. I've shown a much larger amount of respect and civility to the others and their views on this board, including my detractors, than my detractors have been showing me for some time.

I am not the problem here.


Edit: Let's look at an example from this thread, okay?

The reason why I started this thread was because of Shaolin Wookie and I starting to talk about multiple attackers in another thread. I foresaw this discussion going on for a bit so I started a new one, quoting the relevent parts from the other thread and replying to his last post.

It had started primarily on my perspective on fighting groups of people, primarily based around the idea of energy conservation. For me, a miss is still a miss, regardless if it's 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 yard, etc. etc. SW said that he felt a large burst of force is good at the beginning and taking out one person, preferably the smallest, to make it easier to look like you were really really powerful. I said that keeping them close by would let you use them as a shield, as SW believed you should do, too, but I said a small effort to deflect an incoming attack would let you still use them as a shield, as well as preserve your energy stores longer. The question became how being soft would let you defeat people, with SW asking if his heavy bag beats him every time. I had explained the long lasting feature of a heavy bag and the need to protect your hands when you use a heavy bag. SW suggested I get in a heavy bag and see how well I last. I started to explain about increasing the elastic limit of my body to be able to take more punishment. golden arhat suggested that I wouldn't be able to take an elbow to the face. I continued to explain how increasaing the eleastic limit of my body would help in taking an elbow to the face.

And even after I have said specifically that questions have been put to me on how I would do certain things, I have said that I never in the slightest suggested that my way was the only way. But, the others int his thread keep acting like I had said that.

If I am asked to give my way of doing something, I need to give my way of doing something. Not someone elses. And, after even doing that there have been several people in this thread that dismiss the idea, saying essentially that my way won't work when they haven't even tried my way. On the other hand, I have tried their way. For me, I found a different way, but that doesn't mean their way could let them do the same thing to the degree that that way would produce the desired results.

I have said my way works, as can another. They have said my way can't work, only theirs. I have shown how my way can work, without denying theirs can, too. But, they refuse to show how their way is the only way. They chose to mock and flame bait and post altered pictures to dog pile their contempt. This is not open mindedness.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I am greatly indebted to your candor. Your wisdom is as a finger, pointing towards the poon.

Do not concentrate on the finger..........

[golden arhat]

Do not concentrate on the finger..........



i'm pointing a finger at something


guess which one

[Shaolin Wookie]

i'm pointing a finger at something


guess which one

I used my woman's intuition: the left one?

[golden arhat]

I used my woman's intuition: the left one?

uhhhhhh yeahhh

:confused:

[Shaolin Wookie]

uhhhhhh yeahhh

:confused:

I don't have woman's intuition.......

Hence, the joke.:rolleyes:

[golden arhat]

I don't have woman's intuition.......

Hence, the joke.:rolleyes:

oh yeahhhhh

sorry

i'm stupid liek that :)


actually i've decided i'm just gonna call everyone who i think is stupid on here "Ronh"

so yeah


i'm ronh like that :D

[brianK]

Personally, as a poor deluded sentient being, I feel blessed to have an obvious Boddhisatva of RonH's level taking such compassion on me.:rolleyes: Now I've got to go back to training my cheek bone to yield.:D

Brian

[DPL]

Except, in my case, I have demonstrated that I am. I haven't posted altered pictures intended to mock, I haven't called anyone names.

I think you have a very close-minded attitude towards the value of mocking and name-calling.



I think I've even given some of the evidence for why I have my position,

Bent over, grabbing your ankles?


which is far more than the opposition's 'believe me because I say so' reasoning. That isn't evidence. I've shown a much larger amount of respect and civility to the others and their views on this board, including my detractors, than my detractors have been showing me for some time.



Respect and civility are highly overrated. Give me rude and funny any day of the week.


I am not the problem here.


Somewhere there's a miscommunication on the meaning of either the term 'I' or 'problem'. Possibly the terms 'not' and 'here' as well. Perhaps these should be defined in the glossary.


Edit: Let's look at an example from this thread, okay?


Okay!


The reason why I started this thread was because of Shaolin Wookie and I starting to talk about multiple attackers in another thread. I foresaw this discussion going on for a bit so I started a new one, quoting the relevent parts from the other thread and replying to his last post.



The force is strong in this one.


It had started primarily on my perspective on fighting groups of people, primarily based around the idea of energy conservation. For me, a miss is still a miss, regardless if it's 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 yard, etc. etc. SW said that he felt a large burst of force is good at the beginning and taking out one person, preferably the smallest, to make it easier to look like you were really really powerful. I said that keeping them close by would let you use them as a shield, as SW believed you should do, too, but I said a small effort to deflect an incoming attack would let you still use them as a shield, as well as preserve your energy stores longer. The question became how being soft would let you defeat people, with SW asking if his heavy bag beats him every time. I had explained the long lasting feature of a heavy bag and the need to protect your hands when you use a heavy bag. SW suggested I get in a heavy bag and see how well I last. I started to explain about increasing the elastic limit of my body to be able to take more punishment. golden arhat suggested that I wouldn't be able to take an elbow to the face. I continued to explain how increasaing the eleastic limit of my body would help in taking an elbow to the face.

(My bold above). LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Stop. Seriously, please stop. I just snorted tea all over my computer and I think it may have damaged something.

It's at this point that I think you must really be Mega-Foot, because no one could post the bolded sentence above and expect to be taken seriously when talking to anyone who's ever fought, wrestled, sparred, or, really, breathed.



And even after I have said specifically that questions have been put to me on how I would do certain things, I have said that I never in the slightest suggested that my way was the only way. But, the others int his thread keep acting like I had said that.



Not nearly as much as they initially tried to help you to see how the stuff you wrote would never work in the real world. When you persisted with your Candyland Theories, they very naturally resorted to mockery and name-calling.

It was the only possible solution.