Why MMA people think TCMA people are geeks

[lkfmdc]

yet another example

http://www.yongtjunconcepts.com/home.html

discuss :D

[Three Harmonies]

Man, everyone needs to be special don't they?!?! Why not just teach a quality product/lesson, and leave it. I do not understand the need for goofy marketing, and excessive BS in peoples attempts to get students. Of course that also may be the reason I am not rolling in the dough with 100's of students:o;)

Jake :cool:

[lkfmdc]

I really, really, really :D like to think that NY San Da is a great example of how you can teach real stuff, not have gimmicks like "black belt clubs" (or ninja turles) and still make a nice living....

I'm also about to write a new article that I am gonna post about the downward cycle, how the negative in our traditions not only gets repruced, it gets supplemented with each generation....

Got to start breaking that cycle

[BruceSteveRoy]

:rolleyes:

[lkfmdc]

was the :rolleyes: re the site or comments by Jake and I?

[BruceSteveRoy]

the site. i think its funny that he put that mma doesnt work. i dont understand why it wouldnt. a punch, kick knee, elbow, etc should work regardless of what style the person applying the technique studies. i think rarther than sit there and make the absurd argument that mma doesnt work tcmaist should look at it a little more subjectively and say "what can i learn from what they are doing?" i mean if nothing else most of the ppl doing mma seem to be much better conditioned do to more rigorous training. they are the ones actually out there trying to use what they are learning. i like tcma and i have nothing to say bad about it except that it is a little close minded. as is mma. but the difference in the two is that most tcmaist train for the eventuality that they might one day in a dire circumstance use what they learn. which for most ppl realistcly is a small chance on an average day. whereas mma ppl tend to train with the inevitablity of having to use their techniques. if more tcma ppl trained with the same mentality as mma people perhaps there wouldn't be the stigma that tcma doesnt work. i dont know. just my thoughts.

and that isnt to say that there arent tcma ppl that really train to use it. i am just saying that they are either the minority or a very very very silent majority.

[t_niehoff]

I really, really, really :D like to think that NY San Da is a great example of how you can teach real stuff, not have gimmicks like "black belt clubs" (or ninja turles) and still make a nice living....


There are, and have always been, genuine places to really learn and develop fighting skills. But that is not what most people who take up TMAs want: they want the fantasy. They want the role playing, the oriental philosophy, the magical thinking, the special powers, the secrets, etc. And as long as people want the fantasy, there will be people who will sell them the fantasy.


I'm also about to write a new article that I am gonna post about the downward cycle, how the negative in our traditions not only gets repruced, it gets supplemented with each generation....

Got to start breaking that cycle

Excellent! The only thing is, the people who are doing realistic training already see that and those living the fantasy have blinders on. But who knows, you may save a few newbies a lot of wasted time, money, and effort.

[Black Jack II]

That is a Wing Tsun/Lacosta Escrima clone salted with ego and more bullsh!t.

But I will see that whimp a$$ tcma site and give you the king of bull**** on why martial art people can be geeks.

http://cosmicfighting.atspace.com/

[lkfmdc]

That is a Wing Tsun/Lacosta Escrima clone salted with ego and more bullsh!t.

But I will see that wippy a$$ tcma and give you the king of bull**** on why martial art people can be geeks.

http://cosmicfighting.atspace.com/

I have to try and convince myself that is a joke, yes, it's a joke, they aren't at all serious, it's just a joke....... :confused::eek::confused:

[monji112000]

yet another example

http://www.yongtjunconcepts.com/home.html

discuss :D

Its WT (wing tzun or tsun or tung WTF I can't keep up) run by the Turkish giant, who still claims the Gracies backeddown from his challenge, and is still training people to dominate the UFC ( and other MMA events)

Who honestly believes these guys ?

anyway EVERYONE knows that LC (lipp chun aka lipp kune do aka lipp do aka lipp gar aka seven bloody lipp style) is the deadliest style on the planet. We don't have 1 inch punches, we have -1 inch punches. We only have one theory, straight line. We just put our hands in a straight line and run into the person. Its scientifically designed to win every time. Why well we all know a straight line wins against a curved line.


"We do not teach any aspects of MMA, grappling, or Brazilian Jiu Jutsu. These sport fighting arts are NOT PRACTICAL and DON'T work on the street. We, however, teach simple and effective ways to counter these systems."

:D whatever works for him. If you need to trash talk to get students ... what type of students would join anyway? LKFMDC have you seen the so-called anti-grappling or as I like to call it crapling. :D

its the difference between someone who sells their art (or something that resembles art) and someone who doesn't.
teaching and selling are two very different things.

I really, really, really like to think that NY San Da is a great example of how you can teach real stuff, not have gimmicks like "black belt clubs" (or ninja turles) and still make a nice living....

the proof is in the pudding. If you look at what you start with and then what you end with (students performance) it should be very clear to everyone. LOL I have a friend who just joined a Black belt club... Think about it though.. from the American perspective its the best deal.. you pay one price and you become the "a high ranking fighter":rolleyes:.

[Dragonzbane76]

I have to try and convince myself that is a joke, yes, it's a joke, they aren't at all serious, it's just a joke.......
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I was thinking the same thing... .somewhere there is someone playing a joke. Where does the ignorance stop? Tell me someone. :confused:

[cjurakpt]

has anyone noticed that Sifu Pfaff (German for "piffle")) calls what he does the Missing Link MA Federation? does this not strike anyone as hysterical? or is it just me?

[SifuAbel]

i like tcma and i have nothing to say bad about it except that it is a little close minded.


MMA and TCMA are not living entities. They are just bodies of knowledge. Conditioning is also not part and parcel to any given style.

The common thread here is people. You either train hard, or you don't. You either fight with what you have, or you don't.

It is not a style specific condition. TCMA SHOULD be about getting into the best shape possible and acquiring skills.

Geeks, like the first guy above, are casualties of the current propaganda tide. Using the catch phrases of the day to pawn their school.

The whole "slinging poo at the other guy" has been a staple sales strategy for millennia. The blanket statement "X doesn't work" is the battle cry of the ignorant.

[BruceSteveRoy]

right. am i wrong in assuming that what i meant by that was obvious? the implication was not that tcma as an independent entity is close minded. which i think could be assumed by the fact the fact that without the participants it wouldnt, for all intents and purposes, exist. so if you are not being intentionally (overly) literal you could infer (at least i hope) that i was refering to its practitioners.

[jesper]

I have to try and convince myself that is a joke, yes, it's a joke, they aren't at all serious, it's just a joke....... :confused::eek::confused:


Hey it must be good. It cost 500$ a month. Where can I sign up :D

[Oso]

****, just when you thought wing chun couldn't be spelled any more different ways...

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

its a shame ... on the first site i just watched the vids without reading anything and i've seen worse. it was obviously flashy and coreographed, but i liked some of the elbows and sweeps.

[lkfmdc]

on another board, the head of this school just offered $1000 to anyone to fight him, it's a board full of pro MMA fighters and they are lining up to make some easy money

[GeneChing]

Most people think we're all geeks. Cases & points, Napoleon Dynamite (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30868) & Eagle vs. Shark (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=717). If anything, the rise of MMA has elevated martial arts to the level of sports fan. That's a definite improvement. Geeks don't have cheerleaders. MMA fans have ring girls. Martial arts in America is definitely making progress. ;)

[Vankuen]

I may have to visit that place and give you all a nice little commentary on it. Nikko Lahood is a good teacher and fighter who is of the Boztepe camp in San Antonio--but the guy from the website given is from a different group--the Wing Tzun camp.

I'll see if I can go down there and see whats up. With school and work and the small amounts of time off it may be a while though.

[lkfmdc]

if you have the strength (and spare time) to sift through this ridiculous thread;

http://www.mma.tv/TUF/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=1109230&FID=1