WC vs CLF Fight

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Ok - how NOT to fight using CLF. Obviously a person too afraid of getting hit. It's funny because if you forget about the CLF guy always running away and what he was doing from the waist down, his actual techniques were ok. He just needed to be more like the WC feller and pull his pants up from around his ankles and saddle up like a real cowboy! Yippie-ki-yay mo-fo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_n7I7QUN0

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[monji112000]

yah the clip has been on the net for a long time. Each visit its a new style vs. wing chung.

today its CLF.

He just needed to be more like the WC feller and pull his pants up from around his ankles and saddle up like a real cowboy! Yippie-ki-yay mo-fo!

thats not as easy as typing it. both fighters looked pretty poor.. The WC fighter had is hands so low in that BS "WC" stance. Notice that although he did punch him allot, he basically did nothing. I am sure if you watched the whole fight, you would see that he keeps getting up after he falls over.

I think its a clear picture of what happens when you don't train correctly. CLF fighters are fierce, you drop your hands like that and not cover... its all over.

[B-Rad]

When I first posted that a long time ago, I thought it was identified as WC vs. some mantis guy... :confused: It looks kind of like he's trying to use some "mantis hooks" at about 8 or 9 seconds in to defend himself. Hard to tell though :p

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"I think its a clear picture of what happens when you don't train correctly."

Amen.

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[Liddel]

The WC fighter had is hands so low in that BS "WC" stance. Notice that although he did punch him allot, he basically did nothing.

This comment is just LOL funny mate...
His hands and stance helped him avoid getting struck - plain and simple.
and what about the fact all the other guy does is dance around with little skips and hops, now thats just fancy "BS" that serves no purpose. He wasted energy before even attacking :rolleyes:

Are you bias towards the non WC fighter ?
He punched him alot, but basically did nothing - talk about a contradiction.
I guess if you like skipping and hoping then yeah the WC guy did nothing and the other guy was the man :D


I think its a clear picture of what happens when you don't train correctly. CLF fighters are fierce, you drop your hands like that and not cover... its all over.


Well heres a comment that could fit 1000 styles.
Im a Ving Tsun fighter, but i dont see this vid as proving either style is better or worse than the other - just the MEN fighting.
Bruva - the CLF guy was just bad, dont take it personally.
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DREW

[monji112000]

Originally Posted by liddel
Are you bias towards the non WC fighter ?

nope, its the opposite. A good fighter is a good fighter , it doesn't matter if they use sanda , Wing Chun , Krav Maga or MMA. I personally don't care.

Originally Posted by liddel
His hands and stance helped him avoid getting struck - plain and simple.

thats one opinion, I have state my opinion. I would ever argue that standing like that (neutral, with hands in a Tan sao guarding hand) is very hard to fight in. I have seen someone pull it off.. but its still much harder and honestly not logical. JMO Wing Chun = logic (not a particular stance every stance is a wing chun stance).

I have never fought a CLF fighter, and I have never seen one fight with skill. I have heard first hand info about fights and fighters. I really like to play the style vrs style crap game.

I don't personally care for Ving Tsun (leung ting/emi bonzepte) .. JMO I am sure if I visited every school I would find some good fighters.

The fight sucks plain and simple (they would prob kick my **** anyway).

[Liddel]

I only asked because using "BS" kinda implies a dislike....

The WC fighter had is hands so low in that BS "WC" stance.

And just for the record WT = Leung Ting, and i dont care for it either.
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DREW

[htowndragon]

thats not CLF, thats northern mantis

[jari]

thats not CLF, thats northern mantis

I would say it´s neither...it´s just crap...:)



here is some northern mantis (yu family qi xing tang lang):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HRhqyAxJN8

these guys are not "masters" nor are these "gong sao matches" but to my eye this looks more like fighting than what I saw on the video posted in the first message...ok, this is competition with rules...but still...just my opinion...

[chivalrous hall]

ok lets see...didnt see anything their to suggest the two train in wc or clf. things have sure changed in the last couple of decades. the two wouldnt get far nowadays.

[stout]

Fight seemed pretty realistic. Not like a sports fight. It's annoying when people compare apples and oranges like that. I think most folks will be afraid of getting hit too, if you were engaged in a barefist fighting tournamnet.

How is this mantis?

You can see he tried to use chun, Gwa, Sau. Might be two chaps to the head as well. The WC guy did pretty well dominating the center line by just straigh punches. CLF guy lacked forward extension and momentum. Gau/Sau only works well with both arms, like whip chain. a bit slow with one arm compared to straight punches.

[htowndragon]

i know its mantis because there's a chinese site that i saw about a year ago detailing the bio of both fighters. the wing chun guy was a beginner student of wong shaun leung who's last name was also wong

the other guy was a friend of his who was from a northern mantis school in hong kong.

[jari]

How is this mantis?




good question. on a "deeper" level it reminds me that a punch is a punch is punch...

I have also come across this clip previously as "wc vs. mantis"...

realistic? well, it certainly is not sports, agreed. but they still seem to have a set of rules. no fighting on the ground...I do not mean they should have grappled but a nice little stomp or kick to the head while the other guy is down would be realistic..:)

[monji112000]

I only asked because using "BS" kinda implies a dislike....



And just for the record WT = Leung Ting, and i dont care for it either.
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DREW

I thought the rest of my second post explained what I was saying.

"...The WC fighter had his hands so low in that BS "WC" stance...."(my post)

That stance is what I called BS, becouse its nobody fights like that. Its for training mostly. Holding your hands like that makes it very hard to win a fight. JMO as I stated in WC we have no set stance. You have to use logic and reason , if a stance has a benifit for that moment then its a WC stance.

WT = LT EB its basically the same fighting style, EB just added some basic FMA and some really bad turkish oil wrestling.

JMO I don't really care for the whole lot. I am still waiting on all the hot air they have been saying to come true.. were is the UFC fighters they have been training?

[CFT]

i know its mantis because there's a chinese site that i saw about a year ago detailing the bio of both fighters. the wing chun guy was a beginner student of wong shaun leung who's last name was also wong

the other guy was a friend of his who was from a northern mantis school in hong kong.The Wing Chun guy was a student of Wong Shun Leung's. His name is Wu Chan Nam - and is now a sifu.

[B-Rad]

My post from the other WC vs. CLF thread (in the Wing Chun forum):



From when I first posted this as "Wing Chun vs. Choy Lay Fut" a couple years ago:

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Hi, Brad

Again, in the interests of historical accuracy, the stocky Wing Chun guy knocking his Praying Mantis (not CLF.....there is another film of a bloodier fight in a sort of basement carpark like structure where the WC guy prevails over his CLF opponent in a less one sided match) opponent around is none other than Wu Chun Nam sifu, still teaching today and a member of the recently formed AVTA (Authentic Ving Tsun Association).

Wu was Wong Shun Leung's first personal student and the man who sort of interviewed and "vetted" me one week before giving me the OK to begin training under Wong sifu, way back in the winter of 1964!

I may very well have been the first foreigner to see that movie (I had to borrow my father's 8mm projector for the showing). Unless, my memory is faulty, I remember the bout went on for a bit longer than what the clip shows, and ended with the Mantis guy throwing a snap front kick that Wu blocked with a Gahn Sao so powerful that the Mantis guy was spun around on his supporting leg, allowing Wu to punch his opponent in the back, thus ending the fight.

Regards.

Rolf
Link to the first time this was discussed:
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...ad.php?t=36719

[hskwarrior]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DGVYSqcfUv8

okay, here's a better wing chun vs. choy lee fut fight.....much much better!:D

[Yen-Wang-Yeh]

Funny looking wing chun~

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Took the words right outta my mouth.

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[mok]

Both clips are excellent, and feature some guys who really can fight.

- Thanks for putting these up.

[John Takeshi]

CLF? If it was CLF, where was the chippy chow?

[Lama Pai Sifu]

S'matter, did you give up on your other screenames??

LOL

[Satori Science]

Funny looking wing chun~

How about this guy, I gotta admit I get a kick out of him every time I watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZgsMvbvJyc

[Yen-Wang-Yeh]

That was...surprising to say the least. His gung is great, as great as his reflection in a mirror~

[Satori Science]

Some insights on style, gung, combat & Wing Chun from Sifu Sharif (that I felt applied to the conversation)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW1zX-FCDkk

[Satori Science]

Hey, Yen-Wang-Yeh check your PM

cheers