Tao of Jeet Kune Do: Plagiarism

[PangQuan]

"Presently (2003?) in its twentieth printing and offered in nine languages, The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, for well over a decade a bestseller, has lined the pockets of a few at the expens of misleading countless martial artists of all ages and levels of proficiency. Hopefully the day will come when the great masters whos writings are contained in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do will be honored, both in print and monetarily, for their work that has for too many years been wrongly and purposely credited to Bruce Lee. Perhaps the worst example of plagiarism occured in 2000 when the estate's author John Little wrongly attributed to Bruce Lee the writing ("The Passionate State of Mind") of renowned philosopher (and the recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom) Eric Hoffer!"
~Tom Bleecker
Unsettled Matters
The life and death of Bruce Lee


I was going to put this in the "Other Related Arts" section, but I thought it would get better responses here.

Not sure how many of you actually read that entire biography that KF posted, written by Tom Bleecker, but this is near the end, and I feel is quite a valid concern in regards to the works that are in Tao of Jeet Kune Do that are plagiarised and NOT the original works of Bruce Lee.

Not to discredit any thing Bruce Lee had done in life, but as we all know, Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was not something Bruce Lee had done in life. Would BL have gone to the lengths of making much of this information and MA material appear as his original thoughts and concepts? Doubtful. Though its of no doubt that Bruce had developed his own thoughts, processes, concepts, ideals, etc. about martial arts, I for some reason would like to doubt that Bruce Lee would try to take another, past martial artists, credit for himself.

So, what can actually be done about this today. Can anything be done?

What are some of you're thoughts on this? Or do any of you even care? Possibly not.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Was there anything original in the TofJKD ???

[GeneChing]

That was one of my big issues with Little's Lee series for Tuttle. He pillaged Lee's notes but didn't do the research beyond that. Lee was a philosophy student. Many of the notes published in the series were clearly class notes, never meant to be published. The same problem pervades TofJKD, which despite what was depicted in Dragon, was also published posthumously. It really wasn't fair to Lee to publish his notes. However, given the legend that followed, it was understandable.

It's also very amusing to see JKD followers quote the gospel of Lee, not realizing that it's actually Buddha or Hoffer or whoever.

[sanjuro_ronin]

That was one of my big issues with Little's Lee series for Tuttle. He pillaged Lee's notes but didn't do the research beyond that. Lee was a philosophy student. Many of the notes published in the series were clearly class notes, never meant to be published. The same problem pervades TofJKD, which despite what was depicted in Dragon, was also published posthumously. It really wasn't fair to Lee to publish his notes. However, given the legend that followed, it was understandable.

It's also very amusing to see JKD followers quote the gospel of Lee, not realizing that it's actually Buddha or Hoffer or whoever.

Hence my question of originality.
When I read it and re-read it, I didn't see anything "new".

[lkfmdc]

There are two other books from which he copied a lot of passages that found there way into "Tao"; one an old boxing bood, the other an old fencing book.

On another note, as "Tao" and "Do" are the same character (in two different dialects), the title annoys me to no end

Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"way of jeet kune way?"

way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way....

[sanjuro_ronin]

The Way of the Way of the Intercepting Fist.

The Way of the Intercepting Fist Way.

Eh...

[Scott R. Brown]

It is doubtful the information BL found valuable enough to collect was original to the sources from which he gleaned the information. So to be fair to the "original" sources one would have to go back into history to unnamed and unknown sources.

In order for the information to be considered plagiarized it would have to be directly copied from a published volume. In order for the information to be BL"s all it requires is rewording.

[lkfmdc]

I saw an article once that showed entite paragraphs, word for word, were taken from the two books and put into "Tao"

again, he was dead and gone when they did this, these were just his personal notes, the people responsible are his widow and the book company

[rogue]

Is that the green eyed monster I see in this thread. Great Sigung Lee was the most original thinker ever in the martial arts. He thought thoughts that no one else ever did, synthesized techniques in such a way to break the paradigm of the day, and if he did use an idea by someone else he extrapolated it into places that even today many are still trying to comprehend. But I guess it's easy to attack someone who has progressed onto the next plane of reality. :mad:






The Real Original Lucky Louie

[Firehawk4]

What about the Bruce Lee Books that M. Uharya authored called Bruce Lees Fighting Method the four books . are these also plagarized ?

[lkfmdc]

Is that the green eyed monster I see in this thread. Great Sigung Lee was the most original thinker ever in the martial arts. He thought thoughts that no one else ever did, synthesized techniques in such a way to break the paradigm of the day, and if he did use an idea by someone else he extrapolated it into places that even today many are still trying to comprehend. But I guess it's easy to attack someone who has progressed onto the next plane of reality. :mad:



I hope this is a sarcastic post.....

[TenTigers]

As stated before, Tao of JKD were simply a collection of his personal notes, and included quotes from many sources-especially Jack Dempsey's book on boxing.People have a tendancy of taking something and running with it, such as the term "Straight Blast" which is simply a slight re-naming of what Dempsey referred to as the stiff jolt-his mainstay jab.

[PangQuan]

What about the Bruce Lee Books that M. Uharya authored called Bruce Lees Fighting Method the four books . are these also plagarized ?


Good point, what about all these other Bruce Lee books.

example: Chinese Gung Fu: The Philosophical Art of Self Defense

Lots of pictures and such.


I would like to reiterate, this is not an attack, nor an attempt to discredit any accomplishments or deeds of Bruce Lee. I personally am a fan.

We all know the "Tao" was not his doing. Physically speaking in regards to publication.

Also, much of the work yes is from sources that cannot be actually tracked down to originators and credit given. However, what about instances such as Coach Ross points out where word for word, there is plagiarism?

[GeneChing]

In order for it to be plagiarism, Lee would have to present someone else's work (Dempsey, Hoffer or whoever) and present it as his own. Lee didn't do that. He made notes - notes that were personal and probably never meant to be published as such. I can't imagine what people would come up with if they published my notes - it would be an unintelligible mess. It was his successors who presented them as Lee's own. So it's really misattribution, not plagiarism. Lee isn't at fault here at all.

Good point on the Tao/do thing. I'm amazed I never noticed that before. How funny.

[TenTigers]

"If you steal from one source, it's called plagerism, if you steal from alot of sources, it's called "research!";)

[lkfmdc]

I can't imagine what people would come up with if they published my notes - it would be an unintelligible mess.



1000 years from now, "look, he was writing in some secret code!"

"really, read it to me"

"it says 'L K F M D C , arrrgggggghhhhhhhh" :D

[Scott R. Brown]

For many BL fans it is important to learn the principles BL found valuable enough to makes notations about.

What should have been done for TofJKD was to preface it with:

These are the principles that Bruce found valuable enough to include in his personal journal and training regime. We are uncertain of the sources for these notes because he gleaned them from his numerous books on fighting arts. Anyone who can provide us with documented sources please do so in order that we may include proper citations in future printings.

[PangQuan]

For many BL fans it is important to learn the principles BL found valuable enough to makes notations about.

What should have been done for TofJKD was to preface it with:

These are the principles that Bruce found valuable enough to include in his personal journal and training regime. We are uncertain of the sources for these notes because he gleaned them from his numerous books on fighting arts. Anyone who can provide us with documented sources please do so in order that we may include proper citations in future printings.

Excellent point, and idea!

[GeneChing]

What should have happened is that the people who published Bruce Lee's writings should have taken the time to do their own background research. It wasn't like Lee was tapping super esoteric sources. The publishers had access to all of Lee's notes. It would have been simple enough to get a professor of philosophy on board, along with someone fairly well read in martial arts books (it's not like there were that many of them back then). They could have read over the material and either referenced it in the text or deleted it from the final publication.

If it was truly important for Lee's fans and JKD people to learn this stuff, they'd go to the source just like Lee did. Sadly, most are satisfied with TofJKD as it stands since that's a lot easier. You'd only have to crack a few books. You'd have to read a lot more to get the real story.

[Firehawk4]

I herd that Bruce Lee had a library of about 3000 martial art books i think that most were in Chinese I think i read that he got alot of them from bookstore in Vancuver Canada and San Fransico and Hong Kong . He also was said to have learned some Southern Mantis and Red Boat Wing Chun from Yueng Fook in Seattle .

[rogue]

If it was truly important for Lee's fans and JKD people to learn this stuff, they'd go to the source just like Lee did. Sadly, most are satisfied with TofJKD as it stands since that's a lot easier. You'd only have to crack a few books. You'd have to read a lot more to get the real story.

We prefer to be called disciples of Lee, not fans. Why would we need to read all of that? Bruce distilled any thing of value from those books that he felt was important. It's not that those philosophers and martial artists weren't smart or good, but a matter that Bruce saw things with a clarity that very, very few others did and managed to create a synergism between the two.



The Real Original Lucky Louie.

[sunfist]

On another note, as "Tao" and "Do" are the same character (in two different dialects), the title annoys me to no end

Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"way of jeet kune way?"

way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way....

But dont you get it maaan, it ENDS where it BEGINS, its, like, CIRCULAR :cool:

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Welcome to the dept of redundancy dept.

[Scott R. Brown]

Welcome to the dept of redundancy dept.

Don't you mean the Department of Redundancy's Redundancy Department?

No matter which door you enter you find yourself in the same office you entered when you entered through the door into the office!!

[PangQuan]

There is also the question of what material in the book is actually reflections and insights Bruce had written from his own mind. Of course influenced by all that he had learned, as each of us are.

How possible, or how long, is it/would it take for anyone to seperate the information from direct sources and the info that is BL original?

Going over the material in the Tao, some of it of course is going to be thoughts, concepts, ideals that have a BL twist to them if not from him directly.

At this point is it even possible to track all the sources down that BL used in his research?

[rogue]

Trying to fully understand Bruce would be like trying to hold the sea in your hands.




The Real Original Lucky Louie.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Bruce Lee was simple. He was just a carve his own path type. He liked to investigate stuff, and research and test things. He used what he felt was effective and shelved the rest.

It's interesting to note, he learned form books....I thought that wasn't possible.

[Scott R. Brown]

Let's not over do it!

BL was an innovator and worth admiring in a number of ways and a good bad example in others; he was not all that deep or profound! Anyone well read in philosophy and MA histories and arts knows this.

He was slightly ahead of a curve that was already started by others, but he was not the first to innovate the MA and he will not be the last. There were others doing the same thing he was doing during the same time period. the methods were different, but so were the personalities and purposes of those innovators.

BL's method became well known because he made exciting movies and had charisma and he died!!! Without the movies and his death it is likely he would have gone relatively unnoticed, with an emphasis on "relatively!" According to this book he was not well liked, so it is doubtful he would have gained many followers unless he eventually matured as a person.

[lkfmdc]

It's really clear that people want to denigrate the man who put martial arts in the world spotlight just because he is dead and can not defend himself. What a pity people envy the glorious achievments of the most innovative mind the martial arts world has ever seen. Today's MMA would not exist if it wasn't for Bruce Lee. Do you not remember enter the dragon where, in spandex trunks, years before the first UFC, he engaged in a MMA match and tapped out Samo Hung with the arm bar that later Royce became known for? Bruce Lee was teh first man to mix wrestling with superior striking tactics, expanding the entire world's view on how to train. "Be like water"! He may not be here to defend himself, but the truth remains and only very little men (midgets) would dare to defame our greatest figure

[Scott R. Brown]

Being realistic is not the same thing as denigrating.

You should know with all your years of experience that skills are effective according to a specific context. MA history is filled with innovators who changed and modified methods according to the needs of their time. Bruce's abilities fit into a specific context, outside that context he would be killed.

I will refer you to two of Alexander the Great's associates, (It will take some time to get the names of the specific persons, but I will get them if you want them) One was a pankration champion, the other excelled at soldiering. During one of their frequent drinking bouts the soldiers were ragging on the pankration champion for not being a "REAL" warrior. The pankration champion was only an Olympic athlete and not a soldier. After much goading the pankration champion challenged the soldier and soundly defeated him whereupon the soldier grabbed a spear and ran him through killing him. Each was skilled according to their context. Each excelled according the the context of their skill set. Each was able to defeat the other according to the context of their skills. But only one ended up dead!!

[lkfmdc]

Bruce Lee was to martial artists what the emancipation proclamation was to slavery. He liberated us from the chain of the classical mess. Free at last! Free at last! Thank G'd almighty, free at last. His style was to have no style. He fought without fighting. Didn't you get it when he said "do not concentrate on the finger". Man, don't concentrate on the finger, don't even sniff it! Use no way as a way, have no style as a style. Absorb what is useful. Disregard the rest. He combined styles, no one had ever done that before. Why do you insult such a man? Is your existance such that you can't comprehend the greatest of the Lee legacy?

[Scott R. Brown]

LOL!! Ok now I know you are playing!! Good one!!:D

[lkfmdc]

I thought the midgets reference would be the give away, but I guess the "sniff the finger" was too much :D

[Scott R. Brown]

Well that and it is YOU after all. You have written enough here that your reputation makes if difficult for you to pretend foolishness! ;)

[bodhitree]

It was the best of times it was the worst of times. To be or not to be that is the question. Parnell, we don't talk about Parnell at this table. Leo, you've still been on your journey to the east. Raskolnakov, why are you sick, have you done something wrong. Look out Janet Elanovich for number 10. 11 things that artful dodger stole, he did. Cujo then chased Jaws around. Call me Ishmail, I like boats. Lets me and Kurts go into the heart of darkness. Be like water my friend. Just then Homer reached land. four score and seven years ago our fore fathers, all citizens life liberty and the pusuit of an eye for an eye. And Winston realized "I love big brother". excerp from LKFMDC's book


I think he is guilty of plagiarism:D

[lkfmdc]

you might also remember I almost destroyed the entire internet once by suggesting Bruce Lee wasn't everything his fans claimed he was LOL ;)

I'm sure I can still troll the newbies

[PangQuan]

I would like to know more about this triad that Bruce "Beat into submission" as stated in that book.

Sounds like an interesting story.


Also the poison aspect of foul play is well pathed and thought out in Tom's book. Very very interesting.

The very fact that Bruce Lee was interested in finding the best means to be street defense capable says a lot. Especially as a chinese man growing up and training in traditional chinese styles.

To step out side the mold of what many CMA restricts one too is a pretty big step, then to be open and critical on an international level, making enemies, burning bridges...its a state of dedication, wrought with adversity and obsticles. Not to mention the personal battles Bruce fought on a daily basis, the balance of prescription drug use, steroids, etc.

Bruce definately walked a path not many will trod down. IMO Bruce seemed to live quite a difficult life, ending prematurely with enemies on all sides, and so close to his dreams.

I think one of the sadest things near the end of it all is that no one had Bruce's back. Of course no one can really be blamed except for Bruce himself, yet still its always a sad thing to see someone of such talent, and drive to be so lost.

And as Tom clearly points out one of the sadest things of all is that which should have protected him most, his martial arts, was a driving force that led him to much of what became his downfall.

:(

[Scott R. Brown]

You forgot his most recent one:

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank G'd almighty, free at last."

I once had an inmate that showed me a love letter he was going to send to his gf. It read: "Baby....I need your loving......Got to have all your loving.......!! etc.

I asked him if he was suuuuuuure he wrote that poem? He assured me he had!




Did I mention he was in the locked psychiatric unit????:)

[Scott R. Brown]

I would like to know more about this triad that Bruce "Beat into submission" as stated in that book.

Sounds like an interesting story.


Also the poison aspect of foul play is well pathed and thought out in Tom's book. Very very interesting.

The very fact that Bruce Lee was interested in finding the best means to be street defense capable says a lot. Especially as a chinese man growing up and training in traditional chinese styles.

To step out side the mold of what many CMA restricts one too is a pretty big step, then to be open and critical on an international level, making enemies, burning bridges...its a state of dedication, wrought with adversity and obsticles. Not to mention the personal battles Bruce fought on a daily basis, the balance of prescription drug use, steroids, etc.

Bruce definately walked a path not many will trod down. IMO Bruce seemed to live quite a difficult life, ending prematurely with enemies on all sides, and so close to his dreams.

I think one of the sadest things near the end of it all is that no one had Bruce's back. Of course no one can really be blamed except for Bruce himself, yet still its always a sad thing to see someone of such talent, and drive to be so lost.

And as Tom clearly points out one of the sadest things of all is that which should have protected him most, his martial arts, was a driving force that led him to much of what became his downfall.

:(

I agree, in the end it is a sad story. In the final analysis the only thing you take with you when you die is who you are, not skills or accolades!

[PangQuan]

I agree, in the end it is a sad story. In the final analysis the only thing you take with you when you die is who you are, not skills or accolades!

So true.

IMO, this is a side of BL that needs to be seen by people who might consider themselves fans.

I knew in the past of some of what he was into during his life, yet this book shed a lot of light on many other aspects of what he was up to. After reading this, the light in which I see Bruce Lee will always be a bit different. Not in a bad, or a good way, just different.

[Scott R. Brown]

So true.

IMO, this is a side of BL that needs to be seen by people who might consider themselves fans.

I knew in the past of some of what he was into during his life, yet this book shed a lot of light on many other aspects of what he was up to. After reading this, the light in which I see Bruce Lee will always be a bit different. Not in a bad, or a good way, just different.

Yes, he is no longer the super hero, but a real human being with demons that plagued him just like the rest of us mere mortals!

[Scott R. Brown]

But still worth respecting in many ways. Strive to emulate his good qualities and learn from his failings! This is what gives his life meaning in today's world!

[GeneChing]

That's a classic example. The finger and moon anecdote is taken directly from Buddhism. It's actually really easy to trace the roots of JKD. Some of it is even referenced. It's even easier now that we have web searches. Just take a look at the sidebar of the last JKD article we published Jeet Kune Do Counter Attack Strategies By David Cheng (2007 May/June (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=701)) and you'll see we did a little back research on Bruce's terminology. Research is not that hard.

Now this is where it gets interesting. I'm not convinced that the compilers of TofJKD were familiar with Lee's sources. They just reorganized his notes. Those notes were not necessarily complete. In the above example, Lee extracted a lot of his combat theory from western fencing. This is even cited in the book. However, western fencing is very specific in its terminology and theory - the product of centuries of evolution - and Lee's notes only touched on the theory, because they were, after all, just notes. A lot of JKD people have taken those 'notes' as gospel. But if they don't understand the underlying theory, then there's a major flaw in their thinking. You can take a look at that article and the sidebar and see if it was an example of just such a situation.

[PangQuan]

But still worth respecting in many ways. Strive to emulate his good qualities and learn from his failings! This is what gives his life meaning in today's world!

Fully.

IMO having such extreme degrees of variation in BL's life, its actually a nice example of DO's and DO NOT's in regards to some aspects of MA. Especially substance abuse.

Not to mention the stresses and expectations that fame can put on ones shoulders.

[rogue]

Yeah Gene, the internet is real reliable. :rolleyes: Look at all the people who actually see the truth about things and have been discredited by the internet.
I'm sorry Gene, but I think you're trying to protect the status quo of traditional martial arts from the clear light of truth that Bruce's writings brought to the martial artist. There is fear that if people really follow what he said that there would be the anarchy of people thinking for themselves.

I have no problem with the fact that someone had to compile Bruce's writings after he was killed by the Tongs, after all someone had to put together the Bible too.

[PangQuan]

That's a classic example. The finger and moon anecdote is taken directly from Buddhism. It's actually really easy to trace the roots of JKD. Some of it is even referenced. It's even easier now that we have web searches. Just take a look at the sidebar of the last JKD article we published Jeet Kune Do Counter Attack Strategies By David Cheng (2007 May/June (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=701)) and you'll see we did a little back research on Bruce's terminology. Research is not that hard.

Now this is where it gets interesting. I'm not convinced that the compilers of TofJKD were familiar with Lee's sources. They just reorganized his notes. Those notes were not necessarily complete. In the above example, Lee extracted a lot of his combat theory from western fencing. This is even cited in the book. However, western fencing is very specific in its terminology and theory - the product of centuries of evolution - and Lee's notes only touched on the theory, because they were, after all, just notes. A lot of JKD people have taken those 'notes' as gospel. But if they don't understand the underlying theory, then there's a major flaw in their thinking. You can take a look at that article and the sidebar and see if it was an example of just such a situation.

now i gotta find where i left that issue lying around


I think its kind of silly that people would put so much emphasis on the Tao. Sure there are a lot of great concepts, theories, facts, etc. Yet as you say, with the right research you could find where some of this stuff comes from, and also as you say, notes: incomplete gathered, compiled and publshed by people who didnt actually take the notes, nor knew exactly what was going on in Bruce's mind as he gathered his material.

So doing extra research, finding some more in depth information on what is often lightly touched in the Tao, could give you a furthere idea of what Bruce may have been looking at when taking notes. Also to see what he decided to take and what he decided to leave behind from original sources can also be a great insight as to what Bruce was thinking.

[David Jamieson]

"Presently (2003?) in its twentieth printing and offered in nine languages, The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, for well over a decade a bestseller, has lined the pockets of a few at the expens of misleading countless martial artists of all ages and levels of proficiency. Hopefully the day will come when the great masters whos writings are contained in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do will be honored, both in print and monetarily, for their work that has for too many years been wrongly and purposely credited to Bruce Lee. Perhaps the worst example of plagiarism occured in 2000 when the estate's author John Little wrongly attributed to Bruce Lee the writing ("The Passionate State of Mind") of renowned philosopher (and the recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom) Eric Hoffer!"
~Tom Bleecker
Unsettled Matters
The life and death of Bruce Lee


I was going to put this in the "Other Related Arts" section, but I thought it would get better responses here.

Not sure how many of you actually read that entire biography that KF posted, written by Tom Bleecker, but this is near the end, and I feel is quite a valid concern in regards to the works that are in Tao of Jeet Kune Do that are plagiarised and NOT the original works of Bruce Lee.

Not to discredit any thing Bruce Lee had done in life, but as we all know, Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was not something Bruce Lee had done in life. Would BL have gone to the lengths of making much of this information and MA material appear as his original thoughts and concepts? Doubtful. Though its of no doubt that Bruce had developed his own thoughts, processes, concepts, ideals, etc. about martial arts, I for some reason would like to doubt that Bruce Lee would try to take another, past martial artists, credit for himself.

So, what can actually be done about this today. Can anything be done?

What are some of you're thoughts on this? Or do any of you even care? Possibly not.

What he did was remove the cryptic tones of what cma was tothe best of his understanding and put it into terms an english language speaker and person of western cultural traditions could grasp.

It would be like converting fencing manuals from french and spanish to chinese and introducing prosaic and poetic memory techniques into the instructional materials.

BL removed the prosaic/poetic aspects and called a straight punch a straight punch.

He also contributed to the introduction or pathgate to a wider audience to chinese philosophical concepts. In some respects he was the seed of marrying the chinese religious and spiritual thought with the practice of chinese martial art while at the same time offering it in terms that were attractive to north american culture.

plagiarism though? Well, he didn't give face (credit) to the original stuff all too often.

Anyway, nice to see BL can still shake it up more than 30 years after he's been dead. Now THAT's a Legacy! :p

[PangQuan]

What he did was remove the cryptic tones of what cma was tothe best of his understanding and put it into terms an english language speaker and person of western cultural traditions could grasp.

It would be like converting fencing manuals from french and spanish to chinese and introducing prosaic and poetic memory techniques into the instructional materials.

BL removed the prosaic/poetic aspects and called a straight punch a straight punch.

He also contributed to the introduction or pathgate to a wider audience to chinese philosophical concepts. In some respects he was the seed of marrying the chinese religious and spiritual thought with the practice of chinese martial art while at the same time offering it in terms that were attractive to north american culture.

plagiarism though? Well, he didn't give face (credit) to the original stuff all too often.

Anyway, nice to see BL can still shake it up more than 30 years after he's been dead. Now THAT's a Legacy! :p

Nice post and great points.

I've always personally been a fan of BL, as many MAists are. In light of reading that book KF posted, this is an aspect of the biography that i wanted to discuss, because like you, I feel its not so much of plagiarism as is led to be believed in Tom Bleeckers book. Sure there may be some examples that are, but over all, I think its pretty obvious that much of the material is gathered research. Especially today. Martial Artists now IMO are in the best state of freedom we have ever been in. In regards to the accessing of information and realism, exposing falshoods and myths.

Yes, many of the concepts, principles, and methods in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do are not new, but in the compiled format, and as you state with the emphasis put on conversion of thought processes from one society to another, its a type of work compilation that you dont generally get to see elsewhere.

[GeneChing]

rogue, you're killing me. ;) I did the background reading for the Bible too - the Apocrypha, the Gnostic Gospels, the Kebra Nagast - but I'm like that with research. I suppose I shouldn't fault you for your shoddy research. :p

[rogue]

How dare you sir, insult a follower of the Dragon, Great Sigung Lee! If this was Hong Kong in the early 1960's, well I shudder to even think about it. :mad:



The Real Original Lucky Louie!:p

[mickey]

Greetings,

I thought the Tao of Jeet Kune do was written especially for Brandon Lee. It was never intended for publication. Does anyone remember this?

When it comes to the Tuttle series, I was really optimistic about the Tao of Kung fu because I thought it would really show that Bruce Lee was a traditionalist. Unfortunately, John Little totally fugged that book up major. That was the first and last book that I purchased from that series.


mickey