For those who think

[bodhitree]

For those who think gracie jiu jitsu self defense is all on the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZsZTLRY_4Y


for tournament fighting maybe the tactic is always to go to the ground (obviously), but for actual self defense the tactic is to get back to the feet.

[SevenStar]

yeah. gjj self defense has plenty of stand up. they also have books showing the apps. I have royce's book.

[Yum Cha]

Rommel you Ba$tard, I read your book!

G.S. Patton

[Knifefighter]

yeah. gjj self defense has plenty of stand up. they also have books showing the apps. I have royce's book.

Thinking BJJ has good standup is like thinking CMA has ground techniques. They might "have" it, but since they don't really practice it live, they don't really "have" it.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Thinking BJJ has good standup is like thinking CMA has ground techniques. They might "have" it, but since they don't really practice it live, they don't really "have" it.

There was a point when GJJ, because it was so VT oriented, did indeed practice it, though not to the extend that they should have, I think that Carlson's BJJ was even more oriented towards VT.
Now, I think even GJJ is more sport BJJ oriented than VT, though they still do their MMA.

[bodhitree]

For clarity he means Vale Tudo not Ving Tsun or any of that crazy stuff.

[sanjuro_ronin]

For clarity he means Vale Tudo no Ving Tsun or any of that crazy stuff.

LOL !

Yes, thank you.

[bodhitree]

When I first read it I was thinking "Is he saying the the Gracies were training Ving Tsun?"

Helping others avoid the same stupid mistake.

[SevenStar]

Thinking BJJ has good standup is like thinking CMA has ground techniques. They might "have" it, but since they don't really practice it live, they don't really "have" it.

Actually, we do - not the knife defenses and crap, but like defenses against strikes, bear hugs, etc. we don't spend *a lot* of time on it though. Not enough for me to say we are bjj self defense experts or some mess like that.

[The Xia]

When I first read it I was thinking "Is he saying the the Gracies were training Ving Tsun?"
I thought the same thing when I read that. :p

[lkfmdc]

Thinking BJJ has good standup is like thinking CMA has ground techniques. They might "have" it, but since they don't really practice it live, they don't really "have" it.

Most of the Gracie stand up self defense looks like Hapkido (or traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, no surpise). A lot of it is the same stuff that gets ragged on by MMA people, but in the case of the Gracie family, I think the attributes they develop rolling live (randori) allows them to pull much of it off

[Knifefighter]

Actually, we do - not the knife defenses and crap, but like defenses against strikes, bear hugs, etc. we don't spend *a lot* of time on it though. Not enough for me to say we are bjj self defense experts or some mess like that.

How often do you spar from these positions?

[Knifefighter]

Most of the Gracie stand up self defense looks like Hapkido (or traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu, no surpise). A lot of it is the same stuff that gets ragged on by MMA people, but in the case of the Gracie family, I think the attributes they develop rolling live (randori) allows them to pull much of it off

To pull most of that stuff off, one would have to be attacked by a 7-year-old school girl.

I still want my money back for all the class time I was forced to go through the dead motions of the crappy standing self-defense stuff.

[sanjuro_ronin]

never underestimate 7 year old school girls in Brasil, have you seen City of God ?
:D

[lkfmdc]

To pull most of that stuff off, one would have to be attacked by a traditional kung fu person!



that's sort of the answer I expected, but we'll accept "7 year old school girl" LMFAO :D

[lkfmdc]

never underestimate 7 year old school girls in Brasil

are we still talking about martial arts? ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not gonna touch that one with a 12foot spear !

[lkfmdc]

Not gonna touch that one with a 12foot spear !


that's ok, I dragged the concept (kicking and screaming) :eek: over to the "t shirt" thread :D

[bodhitree]

More gracie self defense (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpKIze3ddA&mode=related&search=)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Rorion is Uber-cool with his 70's porn mustache !

[lkfmdc]

Rorion is Uber-cool with his 70's porn mustache !

If you keep just throwing them out there, you know I"m going to HAVE to respond :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

If you keep just throwing them out there, you know I"m going to HAVE to respond :D

Maybe you need to cut down on the Chi Gung.

[lkfmdc]

Maybe you need to cut down on the Chi Gung.

blasphemy and disrespectful of traditional kung fu, time to create another account and anonymously troll you for your insolence!

nah, too much effort :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

A true master is like one that tap dances in macaroni salad, he knows when to bow to the winds and stand up to the thunder.
:p

[SevenStar]

How often do you spar from these positions?

We didn't - just went through the motions of it like you did...

[NJM]

That tactic for standing up was impressive, and parallels standups as presented in some BSL sets.

[SevenStar]

Now that, we do train on a regular basis. all of these takedowns are just judo though, so technically we do train them regularly, just not as self defense techniques.