Police tactics against grapplers.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f2EAKciYp4

[Shaolinlueb]

not bad, nice.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Where were the 'grapplers" ?

[Black Jack II]

Umm, here is his one for boxers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hzOQFZ9nM4

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ok then...

Wonder what the address is in La-la land...

[Knifefighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f2EAKciYp4

LOL... His reversals while mounted were backwards. If that really was a grappler on top, he would base out and stop the roll.

The defenses from the guard were also pretty bad. The control when he switches to the sweeps are too lose. Someone trained in passing would have a very easy time passing the guard to side control from there.

I would say the things shown on that clip would be better termed "defense against people who don't know how to grapple on the ground".

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Do you have any clips of it done right?

[SevenStar]

yeah, it was backward. think of it like a table. if you take one leg away, push in the direction where there is only one table leg, right? and also the guy was sitting directly on the downed cop's hips - where it is easiest to bump him from. A grappler would try to get position first, putting his knees under the guy's armpits and sitting on his chest instead of his hips, making it harder for the guy to bridge and roll him.

when he was mounted on the guy, there was a lot of space. if he lost control of the guys hand, it would be extremely easy to escape the position.

position comes first.

[SevenStar]

here are his tactics against wrestlers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwesmL8SMCo&mode=related&search=

Now, compare that tackle to a real double leg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClG2VGOt60c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiMsVwexbfA&mode=related&search=

[SevenStar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQSEJM-zxB0

look at his mount and the transition to it. He leaves little or no space - he is smothering his opponent until he gets into position. Notice how he slides his knees forward, under his opponents armpits, so he is not sitting on his hips. It is much harder to bump him this way.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I think that clip is what to do against some numbnut that TRIES to grapple you on the street.
Against a trained grappler you obviously spit chewing tobacco in their eyes.

[Dragonzbane76]

A grappler would try to get position first, putting his knees under the guy's armpits and sitting on his chest instead of his hips, making it harder for the guy to bridge and roll him.

Agree, someone with experience would choose to sit higher on the chest, expecting the bridge and bucks.

The boxer one was funny. About the time you go to push his hand into his face your going to get punched. Not realistic.

[TaichiMantis]

And we all know that grabbing and twisting his balls would never work....;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

And we all know that grabbing and twisting his balls would never work....;)

Its pretty hard to grab someone's balls when they are smashing your face over and over with elbows and fists then again, maybe your Iron face is above par.

[sihing]

Its pretty hard to grab someone's balls when they are smashing your face over and over with elbows and fists then again, maybe your Iron face is above par.

It's pretty hard to smash someone in the face with elbows and fists when his balls are being grabbed and twisted ;). What came first, the egg or the chicken:confused:

James

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's pretty hard to smash someone in the face with elbows and fists when his balls are being grabbed and twisted ;). What came first, the egg or the chicken:confused:

James

Don't know, both both are yummy !

[SevenStar]

It's pretty hard to smash someone in the face with elbows and fists when his balls are being grabbed and twisted ;). What came first, the egg or the chicken:confused:

James

I haven't had them grabbed and twisted, only kicked. However, my assumption is that when that happens, I would strike you off of principle alone, to try and get you to let go. I HAVE been scratched and bitten while grappling, and all it did was make me tighten the hold on them.

However, look at the vid I posted. He had the guy's arms pinned until he got his knees in the guy's armpits. when would he have had time to grab anything? when he sat up, he could have easily thrown elbows, but it was a bjj mount demo and not mma.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I haven't had them grabbed and twisted, only kicked. However, my assumption is that when that happens, I would strike you off of principle alone, to try and get you to let go. I HAVE been scratched and bitten while grappling, and all it did was make me tighten the hold on them.

However, look at the vid I posted. He had the guy's arms pinned until he got his knees in the guy's armpits. when would he have had time to grab anything? when he sat up, he could have easily thrown elbows, but it was a bjj mount demo and not mma.

When I fought VT and the groin was a target, many tried and few were successful in terms of striking, as for grabbing and twisting, maybe someone tried, I don't know I was to busy beating on them like a 2 dollar crack ***** in jersey.
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[Knifefighter]

It's pretty hard to smash someone in the face with elbows and fists when his balls are being grabbed and twisted ;). What came first, the egg or the chicken:confused:

It's pretty hard to grab someone's balls when he is mounted on you with his knees under your arms. Try it sometime.

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's pretty hard to grab someone's balls when he is mounted on you with his knees under your arms. Try it sometime.

See, now someone is gonna pull out "biting his scrotum off"...:D

[sihing]

It's pretty hard to grab someone's balls when he is mounted on you with his knees under your arms. Try it sometime.

I agree, from that type of superior position, it would be damm hard to twist and squeeze anything. But what happens if that position is not secured and neither people have grappling experience? You are talking from your own experience and wisdom in fighting, not everyone has that benefit. What you can do indivdiually through your own experience is not common place. How about we look at it through that lense for a bit. Would the techniques subscribed work against the regular guy? To me this is what the officer was trying to portray, options when you are on the bottom against whomever is on top laying down some shots.

James

[SevenStar]

It's pretty hard to grab someone's balls when he is mounted on you with his knees under your arms. Try it sometime.

In this case, you would bite his scrotum off.

[sanjuro_ronin]

In this case, you would bite his scrotum off.

Told you so....