Gene - Tan Tui Again (yeah)

[ngokfei]

i'm getting kind of old so my eyesight isn't the greatest any more but doesn't the new cover of the magazine have something on Tan Tui?

yes, then Cool. What is it about the Muslim/cha version? Applications?


and with my birthday next week, what a present. Oh and I'll be 40

[mickey]

Hi ngokfei,

I don't know if you're going to get roasted like Gene was, but HB to you. May your year be an enjoyable one.

The cover says 10 road Tan Tui.


mickey

[NorthernShaolin]

Hey...Hey...Happy B-day Eric!

[hvillarruel]

Happy birthday Eric!!!

TanTui on the cover!.

By the way, what about SiFu YC Chiang Tan Tui VS SiFu Johnny So Tan Tui?.

My SiFu says that YC Chiang is an excelent kungfu master, one that got better than his own Master. I've had hear extraordinary feats done by him.

He told me also that SiFu YC Chiang made extremely low postures and that he (my SiFU) did tantui for one year before learning any other forms with him.
He told me also that he did turn off a candle from another room!!. That there were doctors, engineers, etc doing the experiment.
My SiFu also told me that he kicked in the air like floating.

SiFu Johnny So has an extraordinary leg force and was very good master.

:)

[GeneChing]

Glad you noticed that, ngokfei. In our new issue (May June 2007) we have an article titled Ten Roads of Jiao Men Tan Tui by William Wenxuan Cui and Max Fischer. The complete two-man sparring form is demonstrated - all ten lines, baby. Hope you like it Eric, and HBD!

[Shaolinlueb]

i just got my wu bin issue 2 weeks ago :mad:

[ngokfei]

Partner Tan Tui is hard to find these days besides the Chin Woo version.

Nothing against CW's but the Mulsim form has a few harder rows/roads.

Just peaked at my bookshelf and I've also got the Tan Tui Sets of:
Northern Shaolin, Kuoshu Long Fist, Mizong, 7 Star mantis, & of the 4 Gate Fist style.

usually I keep things like my BD to myself, not much party going in my life as of late. Perhaps I'll get a tattoo?:D Actually 40 is pretty good in my family as 90% of the men don't live to 60:eek: Hell I saw all my bald uncles growing up so I had a heads up as to what to expect. So I just Jelled/Moused the hair back in the 80's , My daughter doesn't recognize me in those pictures :cool:

Hey Gene, a 2 person staff/pole set would be nice:)

[mickey]

Greetings,

hvillarruel,

I learned in another forum that your Grandmaster, YC Chiang, gave the origin of the TanTui that he taught as having its origin in Afghanistan. If this is what you learned, would you care to add more to that? It would be greatly appreciated.

One of the more difficult versions of Tan Tui that I have seen was a 12 line version from the Wu Tang school of the late Charlie Chin (Chang Lin Chin?) of New Jersey. It featured the use of jumping double heel kicks. Tough stuff.

ngokfei,

During a long conversation with the late Fred M.A. Wu, he made reference to an Eagle Claw Tan Tui. Would that be another name for the Walking Fist set of your style?


mickey

[ngokfei]

Eagle Claw Tan Tui?

Probably in reference to the Lin Kuen form.

Its built like tan tui in that it executes a series of techniques on both the right and left side etc.

Its a 50 Road Form:eek:

[Shaolinlueb]

50 road form? can you send me video of you performing? this sounds nice. :D:cool:

[hvillarruel]

Hi Mickey!.

My Sifu studied with GM YC Chiang, not me, but now that you mention, he once told me that Tan Tui has his origins on Afghanistan or something like that.

He also told me that GM Chiang stressed very, very low postures on his Tan Tui.

I am going to tell SiFu Zanotti to write on this Forum....i too can learn more.

;)

[Wong Ying Home]

adam you cheeky bug*er..can you send me video of you doing all 50 rows of Lin Keun......you need to go find a ying jow sifu who can teach you it.

It is considered one of the the three pillar forms of eagle claw, you should know that eh ;)

Hope your well, have you joined the new up and running eagle claw forum yet ?

[Shaolinlueb]

adam you cheeky bug*er..can you send me video of you doing all 50 rows of Lin Keun......you need to go find a ying jow sifu who can teach you it.

It is considered one of the the three pillar forms of eagle claw, you should know that eh ;)

Hope your well, have you joined the new up and running eagle claw forum yet ?

WYH

my sifu knows a 12 road from chin woo. never learned it.
hey it never hurts to ask to see a video ;)

I did sign up on the forum but I havent had time to visit it. I have been real busy with work.

Ada,

[beiquan]

for those interested:

Shaolin tantui performed by Mr. Zhu Tianxi

http://www.21bowu.com/bowuvideo/bowu_video_show.asp?id=267

no idea where this comes from or how it relates to the more common versions out there...

[hvillarruel]

How different tantui are out there isn't it?. But it is tantui.

I got tired of only see him. Tan Tui looks simple, but it requires good physical condition.

[mickey]

Hi,

There are quite a few different versions. There are the 10 line versions that are derived from the Muslim styles. And there are the 12 line Shaolin versions as well as the well known 12 line Chin Woo version. There are some with more or fewer lines that I have only heard about. Master Zhu's version is a Shaolin, 24 line version.

Some styles use the set for basic training before moving on to the course material. Others may use it to maintain a baseline conditioning level. Some use it for internal training. Others for a lifetime of practice.



mickey

[zhangxihuan]

there are some interesting ones on youtube if you've seen them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5nN5i2xMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKIbsCPFFaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMEmA4giwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwJtxgh535Q

all seem to have a different linage, but similar movements.

[Li Ma-Keh]

I've seen different versions of 10-step and 12-step T.T.,..not sure of different family/regional-style names though. and,..off-subject; I wonder who the crazy white-guy' was that couldn't hear,..then made-up the 'phonetics' for Tam-Toy,...Tan-Tui,....Tum-Toi,....lol' I guess they're all kinda' correct. Li Ma-Keh

[Wong Ying Home]

Tam Tui is probably the most accurate, Tam = Master Tam - Tui = Kick or Leg
Master Tam's Leg/Kicking form

[golden arhat]

at a club i used to be at
i was taught tan tui with southern footwork

[zhangxihuan]

well tan tui would be in pinyin...tam, i have no idea about, perhaps wade-giles... personally i prefer the Chinese characters: 彈腿。。。no debate over how it should be spelled... but generally it should be sounded out as "tan" not "tam" perhaps with a northern accent it might become "tam" to a foreigner. It simply means "springy/fleck/flick" so tan tui is "flick/spring leg."

[ngokfei]

just got the magazine.

Nice history section on the various Tan Tui derivatives.

Was kind of disappointed though as:

1. The pictures are kind of small but legible
2. Very simple applications/drills. The chin Woo 2 person set is a little bit more interesting

Question: What kick are they trying to demonstrate in Row #10?:confused:


thanks gene.

How about a 2 person pole form?:cool: Man was really dissappointed in IKF's "Secret Wing Chun Pole Techniques article".

Tell you this I'm actually starting to lean more towards the MMA magazines. Every issue gets right into Techniques, Skills and Drills. (yeah still have the BS but the Bikini Girls help:rolleyes: :D )

[mickey]

Greetings,

I did like the Tan Tui article. That is the most that I have ever seen about the Kun Lun Grandmaster in print.

mickey

[GeneChing]

The problem with publishing complete sets is that there are so many pictures. Even with a short set, it takes a lot of pictures to get it across. In order to fit it in, the pictures have to be smaller. So that's always a bit of a catch 22, but we do what we can.

We're working on the bikini girls. Do you want topless buff wrasslin' boys as well? We're working on that too. ;)

[Shaolinlueb]

i noticed on wing lams he did drills 3 times going one way. where in the others tan tui's i watch they do the drills on each side twice.

this is probably closer to what my sifu does, he does a 12 road version but i was never taught it. he likes other forms for building foundation.

[GeneChing]

I recently heard a Shaolin critic say that a certain monk wasn't real because he didn't spend enough time chanting and sitting zazen.

As for the amount of line repetitions, I've seen TT practiced as line drills in China. It's akin to the xingyi elements/animals or Shaolin jibengong. Personally, I think this is the best way to train it, and I adopted that myself back when I used to teach TT for Wing Lam. I've also seen a wushu version of TT in Shandong where they did five repetitions per line. More is better, but who's to say what's best?

P.S. Don't get any ideas with my topless buff wrasslin' boys comment above, ok? Keep your clothes on. No more sports bras.