Great sell outs of all time

[lkfmdc]

(bored while I'm doing the laundry)

(start sarcasm, ie this is NOT serious)

1. Wang Lang: Created praying mantis by combining 17 different styles, the original jack of all trades, master of none

2. The Jow family, had the nerve to think Hung ga's footwork wasn't fast enough and combined it with Choy Ga. Never bothered to learn enough Hung ga to make it work!

3. The Kou family, major marketing scheme when they took Di Tang Men and made it Dai Sing Men. Then the made it "new and improved" by adding Pek Gwa! Heck, they even added some black tiger! Sell outs

4. Hung Hei Goon, couldn't cut it at the temple so he had to make up his own style, with his name on it, what ego! Ddn't get all the tiger so he just stuck some crane into it....

5. Wong Fei Hung, rode on his father's coattails, dropped the names of all the ten tigers, stuck his nose into other people's business

6. Ying Jow faan Jih Myuhn! Is it eagle claw or is it faan jih myuhn! Then they added wu style! What's going on with this madness

7. Chung Lai Cheung, do you realize the first few forms he teaches aren't even Bak Mei! No, really

8. Yang family, learned CHEN STYLE, then made big money off of it and put their name on it!

9. Hung Fut, what's with all these Hung ga wannabe's not being able to cut it in Hung? Had to combine it with Fut Ga, yeah, ok

10. Choy Lay Fut... multi level marketing scheme, they've set up three branches, they all have different forms, can't even agree who the CEO is!

(/sarcasm)

(a lot won't get this post)

[B-Rad]

How could youposibly forget about Sun Lu Tang?! After learning bits and pieces of 3 seperate styles and creating his own *******ized version of taiji, he actually had the nerve to further ca$h in with a multi-book deal! :p

[CFT]

Eh, what about Lama Paai?

Losing control of their brand - allowing it to splinter into Baak Hok and Hop Gar?

Good humourous thread. Keep going.

[Merryprankster]

I dunno Coach Ross...

I've got the feeling you're making a larger point here....

Could it be, perhaps, about the necessity for critical thinking, innovation, and cross-pollination to keep arts alive? :D

That's pretty serious stuff.

[rogue]

I dunno Coach Ross...

I've got the feeling you're making a larger point here....

Could it be, perhaps, about the necessity for critical thinking, innovation, and cross-pollination to keep arts alive? :D

That's pretty serious stuff.

Bah, foolish thinking on your part. Pure water, pure water, pure water.

Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. ;)

[Face2Fist]

david ross for
selling how to do San Da and MMA dvds.
advertising his dvds on this forum
and placing ads on craigslist

[lkfmdc]

placing ads on craigslist

this is well known to be the sign of the anti-christ :rolleyes:

[Knifefighter]

BJJ guys who have added leg locks from Sambo, takedowns from wrestling and standup from Muay Thai and boxing... pure blasphemy.

[lkfmdc]

At this point I need to remind you that, per Rorion's lawyers instructions, the words "Brazil" and "Jiu Jitsu" and the letter "J" and the sound "zoo" are all owned wholey by Rorion Gracie and can not be used without his express written permission :D

PURE WATER

[Lama Pai Sifu]

You mean I can't say "Jew-jit-zoo" anymore. I am crying inside. :(

[lkfmdc]

Lama Pai Sifu, you now have to send a check for $5 to Rorion....

And $1 to me since I own the word "Jew" :D

[Chief Fox]

Bruce Lee for teaching CMA to white people.

Oh, and I sell out everyday. I'm a graphic designer aka the wh0re of the art world.

here's my web address just incase anyone needs some design work done. http://www.mccarriedesign.com :D

[MasterKiller]

here's my web address just incase anyone needs some design work done. http://www.mccarriedesign.com :D

Just don't send him Photoshop files. You'll never get them back. :eek:

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Lama Pai Sifu, you now have to send a check for $5 to Rorion....

And $1 to me since I own the word "Jew" :D

DAVE ROSS IS THE BIGGEST SELL OUT EVER. If you were truly a Jew, and you owned the word "JEW", you'd be asking me for a lot more than a dollar. :eek:

[MasterKiller]

DAVE ROSS IS THE BIGGEST SELL OUT EVER. If you were truly a Jew, and you owned the word "JEW", you'd be asking me for a lot more than a dollar. :eek:

maybe he is such a Jew that he jewed himself down on the price...

[Lama Pai Sifu]

Maybe if he was selling "JEW-lery", but it does not apply to licensing. I know this first hand, as my mother was a Jew. I, by no fault of my own, became a 'pizza-bagel.'

:)

[Shaolinlueb]

you forgot to add yourself to the list dave.
sifu ross - trains championship fighters, but cant hold his own in the ring :p

[lkfmdc]

Lama Pai Sifu, from what I remember about your dad, he could have been an honorary Jew :D

[Chief Fox]

Just don't send him Photoshop files. You'll never get them back. :eek:
Oh sh!t. I totally forgot about that. D@mn dude, I'm sorry. Did that work out for you or do you still need it done? I'm sorry man. I'm an idiot. :o :o :o :o

[Chief Fox]

maybe he is such a Jew that he jewed himself down on the price...
too funny! :D :D

[MasterKiller]

Oh sh!t. I totally forgot about that. D@mn dude, I'm sorry. Did that work out for you or do you still need it done? I'm sorry man. I'm an idiot. :o :o :o :o

I couldn't ever get it to work so I went with a more simple design.

[Chief Fox]

I couldn't ever get it to work so I went with a more simple design.

I've got a dragon design of my own all seperated for print. You can use that if you're interested.

I'm really sorry that I didn't get back to you.

[mantis108]

I am surprise that Bruce Lee didn't make it to the top ten. But then technically, Bruce Lee is all American (at least his birth certificate said so). So JKD is not Chinese Kung Fu per se. Now Jun Fan Kung Fu on the other hand is somewhat Wing Chun which Yip Man alledgely had took other line of Wing Chun and some Yong Chun (ie Wooden Dummy) so... :D :eek: Did Jun Fan Kung Fu sell out and became JKD, or is the all American boy sell out to Chinese Kung Fu? Now that's the question. :D :confused:

BTW, Wong Long took 17 styles is a bloody lie! :D ;)

Mantis108

[Eddie]

San shou / san da guys who wear shin guards in competition. I mean… common…. Don’t be such a sissy. Take it like a man ;) :D

[lkfmdc]

Take it like a man ;) :D

I know you aint from around here, but from where we are, that means something totally different :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Royal Dragon]

I think this could be what kills the martial arts and is the death of a style actually...

Reply]
Does it kill martial arts? or make them stronger?

Does it Kill a style? or give birth to a new one?

[tjmitch]

I thought this thread was going to be about Metallica.

[cjurakpt]

Does it Kill a style? or give birth to a new one?

this is what is called dialectic synchretism: it's a fancy term (and it's so nice to be able to use them now w/out unecessary commentary from the peanut gallery ;) ) for a process by which a style is learned as such, and then the student takes that style and others he's learned, breaks them down and reorganizes them; over time, that itself becomes a new style, and so on and so on (somewhere I remember reading an article on this, maybe on this forum, maybe elsewhere, whatever)

right now, we are in the phase of seeing this occur vis a vis BJJ, MT, SAMBO (BTW, anyone know what SAM-B-O actually stands for? a rubber chicken to the first correct answer) all being re-integrated into a new "style" called MMA...

oh and as for the biggest sellout: Jacques Derrida for ripping off Chuang Tzu; to wit (bold mine):

"Heaven and Earth were born at the same time I was, and the Ten Thousand things are one with me. (But if) we (are) already one,...how can I say anything? But I have just said that we are one, so how can I not be saying something? (My awareness of) (t)he one and what I said about it make two, and two and the original one make three. If we go on this way, then even the cleverest mathmatician can't tell where we'll end, much less an ordinary man. If by moving from nonbeing to being we get three, how far will we get if we move from being to being? Better not to move, but to let things be!"
Chuang Tzu - Basic Writings (Burton Watson, trans.), Section 2: Discussion on Making All Things Equal, p.38-39; est. date 500 B.C.E.

"Representation mingles with what it represents, to the point where...one thinks as if the represented were nothing more than the shadow or reflection of the representer...In this play of representation, the point of origin becomes ungraspable. There (is) an infinite reference from one to the other, but no longer a source...There is no longer a simple origin. For what is reflected is split in itself and...(t)he reflection, the image, splits what it doubles...What can look at itself is not one; and the law of the addition of the origin to its representation, of the thing to its image, is that one plus one makes at least three."
Jacques Derrida - Of Grammatology (Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, trans.), Part I: Writing before the Letter, p.36; 1974 C.E.

[lkfmdc]

BTW, anyone know what SAM-B-O actually stands for? a rubber chicken to the first correct answer



It's short for "self defense without weapons" in Russian

a large rubber chicken please ...... with a side of patato pancakes

[The Xia]

anyone know what SAM-B-O actually stands for? a rubber chicken to the first correct answer)
"SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya" in Russian. "self-defense without a weapon" in English.

[lkfmdc]

beat you :D

[The Xia]

Ah you may have had it first, but I had it in Russian! You didn't! :p

[Royal Dragon]

I declare a tie, you BOTH get Rubber Chickens!

[lkfmdc]

NEVER!

I say sledge hammers at the land fill at 4:13 am....

[Anthony]

In my opinion, Chan Heung is a huge sell out. I mean, how bout' this character making up a style (choy li fut) and then teaching it. Who want's to learn some made up sh-t anyway!!! Who does he think he is!!!

[cjurakpt]

Ah you may have had it first, but I had it in Russian! You didn't! :p

well, my wife had it in Russian way before any of you (including actually doing it in freakin' grammar school back in the good ol' USSR; she was actually pretty good, although her dad, a former Soviet Air Force Colonel, was evidently da shiznit...)


I declare a tie, you BOTH get Rubber Chickens!

oh, sorry, out of rubber chicken's


I say sledge hammers at the land fill at 4:13 am....

I showed up at 4:14 (despite having had full spinal replacement surgery only yesterday); where were you?

[Shaolinlueb]

well, my wife had it in Russian way before any of you (including actually doing it in freakin' grammar school back in the good ol' USSR; she was actually pretty good, although her dad, a former Soviet Air Force Colonel, was evidently da shiznit...)




oh, sorry, out of rubber chicken's




I showed up at 4:14 (despite having had full spinal replacement surgery only yesterday); where were you?


he was out celebrating with his rubber chicken cause you were late. ;)

[rogue]

Chicken rubbers? Why would anybody want chicken rubbers, don't you need the eggs.

Or is a chicken rubber some kind of sick perv?

[Eddie]

he was out celebrating with his rubber chicken cause you were late. ;)

Chicken rubbers? Why would anybody want chicken rubbers, don't you need the eggs.

Or is a chicken rubber some kind of sick perv?

you know these weirdo americans. they might just be speaking in code for all we know.

Is there another name for chickens in english? Maybe they meant to say rubber roosters?! :eek: :rolleyes: Orrrr.... rubber c .... nevermind, thats probably more fitting with the san francisco crowd.
:cool: :eek:

[lkfmdc]

I dunno, Eddie was saying something about "take it like a man" earlier :eek: