Tiger Schulmann's - anyone ever gotten a refund?

[Crow4ever]

So I enrolled at TSK a few years back (I know, I know...) Was going okay for about 6 months... and somehow I was into it enough to sign up (and pay for) the extended classes (big mistake, obviously).

But things came up, and for a bunch of reasons, I stopped going. I always had intentions of going back and picking it up again, but it just never happened.

Now here I am, and in a situation where I could definitely use the money a lot more than I could use cookie-cutter "karate" instruction. I thought about trying to get my money back, but I know TSK's stance on the subject. So I started looking into it, and I came by this forum. Figured I'd at least throw up a post and see if anyone out there ever had dealings with these guys.

Anyone know of anyone who has tried to get any money back from TSK? Or maybe point me in a better direction to try to get more info about it? Thinking about filing a complaint with the Attorney General... dunno how much good that will do but I guess it can't hurt. It's all a shot in the dark, I'm sure - but I'll try anything at this point.

If anyone has any info, or can help in any way, please let me know.

[The Xia]

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2000/nov/nov27a_00.html

[Crow4ever]

That's a good start, although I'm not in NY and don't think I was part of that settlement.

Anyone else? ANY info is helpful!

[Justaguy]

It would mean a few phone calls and time on google, but it might be worth your time to:

Call your state attorney generals office and see if they had recieved any complaints against TSK.

Find out the specific office in the NY Attorney General's office and see if any legal agency in your state has contacted them about TSK.

Were the same high pressure sales techniques used on you? If so, call the better business bureau and see if there's anything that they can do about it.

If at the end of the day it all comes to nothing, you can always talk to the owner of the school, list all the different agencies that you've talked to, tell them the various complaints and law suits that they suggested and then say something along the lines of -

"Look, I know that I could drag you into court, I know that if I pressed it with complaints the (your state here) Attorney General might bring the same charges against you, but at the end of the day I don't want to screw you over or see you get all the legal bills and bad publicity. I just want my money back."

If you phrase it in a way that makes him see that you're being reasonable and you expect him to act the same (sure there's a place for insults, threats and acts of petty vandalism, but start with friendly conversation and see where that gets you - life's short and you can only manage so many vendettas at once) and think that there's a serious chance of him getting sued/brought up on charges he might give you the money. Even if he wins a trial against the AG, at $100-200 or so an hour the legal fees would be nothing compared to the money you're asking for.

just a thought.

[Banjos_dad]

the way this resolves will really depend on how air-tight the contract is, in the legal sense.
the BBB is not going to help you at all...if anyone were to be helped by them, it would be the next person who checks out TSK with the BBB before they even call or go to the dojo