aye, here there be Dragons... [Archive]

TenTigers

08-24-2006, 10:00 AM

has anyone seen dragons? I know this is more of the mystical taoism, or even san-gung,,but has anyone seen dragons? I know people who say that they are most definately real,,spiritual entities, yet real nonetheless. I have seen what appeared to be spiraling forms in the sky, but are these my own delusions, or phosphene visions, or floaters, or simply remnants of that last pink Floyd concert's cheap acid? What are your experiences? Iwill not judge you, as my imagination has played so many tricks on me that at this time, Ido not know whether I am a butterfly dreaming I am TenTigers, or vice versa.:p

TaiChiBob

08-24-2006, 03:10 PM

Greetings..

I think that Dragons represent a certain aspect of our spirit.. and when that aspect is active or dominate, we tend to project the dragon's image onto ordinary things.. Once, while hiking high in the mountains, i came across a spectacular view and with the wind in my face i felt the Dragon spirit rise, it was a remarkable experience, i felt as though i could fly and i could almost sense the wings, scales and such.. but, i think that was after the same concert :D ..

Be well..

fiercest tiger

08-25-2006, 02:28 AM

Scott R. Brown

08-25-2006, 05:03 AM

Ok, if you are not going to judge me, i have seen a dragon during my Wun Yuen Kung form when i was training after midnight on the roof of a 30 story corporate building as i do nite shift. It came down from the night sky like an abyss or hollow invisiable porthole and sat and watched me for a few seconds and then disappeared.
The funny thing was i felt calm and i didnt stop my form i kept going like it knew me or something.

Garry

I am serious here Garry not razzing you! If it happens again try to talk to him and see if he has any MA advice or wisdom for you. Then let us know what he has to say.

fiercest tiger

08-25-2006, 05:48 AM

Hi Scott,

You know i have had other things happen to me that involves me chanting in other languages when asleep, having visions in dreams and with my eyes open and awake. I wont go into detail much more cause people just wont believe what i will say.

I will next time hopefully ask it, i do know it was like a spirit cloud - white and see through like a hollow tude the body had and glisering (sp).

Garry

Scott R. Brown

08-25-2006, 06:12 AM

Hi Garry,

It is reasonable for people not to believe when it hasnt happened to them. Once something unusual occurs then they will either pretend it didnt happen, rationalize it away, or realize there is much we dont understand.

I have had my share of unusual and bizarre events too. I just accept them without judgging them. Unfortunately they seldom re-occur so I dont get the opportunity to explore them further. I hope you have the opportunity to see the dragon again.

Faruq

08-25-2006, 06:30 AM

Deep stuff. I'm glad I came across this forum. My favorite thing is that although Garry has deeply spiritual experiences, he's still combat oriented and hasn't gone all Gandhi on us. So I'd think he'd have a great chance for his spiritual experiences to translate into more effective combat.

TenTigers

08-25-2006, 07:34 AM

not judging you Garry. From what I've been told, if you speak to them, speak internally, from your mind and third eye. They find human voices offensive.
(personally, I don't know-it's just what I've been told)

fiercest tiger

08-25-2006, 08:57 AM

fiercest tiger

08-25-2006, 08:59 AM

TT,

Hi Buddy, the funny thing is with the visions the person/s i see its like ESP they sometimes dont talk but i get info from them by thought telepathically or something. Sounds strange i know but i do see them and my Wife has been with me when its happening.

Faruq,

Hello, sorry mate i no longer am interested in the fighting side of things just the Chi side and mind side of training. Fighting you dont need to really learn from a teacher IMHO.

Garry

Faruq

08-25-2006, 09:54 PM

So you're not going to Abu Dhabi anymore, hunh? Well, the important thing is to develop gong in whatever you practice, right? So congrats.

TT,

Hi Buddy, the funny thing is with the visions the person/s i see its like ESP they sometimes dont talk but i get info from them by thought telepathically or something. Sounds strange i know but i do see them and my Wife has been with me when its happening.

Faruq,

Hello, sorry mate i no longer am interested in the fighting side of things just the Chi side and mind side of training. Fighting you dont need to really learn from a teacher IMHO.

Garry

lunghushan

08-26-2006, 12:05 AM

Ok, if you are not going to judge me, i have seen a dragon during my Wun Yuen Kung form when i was training after midnight on the roof of a 30 story corporate building as i do nite shift. It came down from the night sky like an abyss or hollow invisiable porthole and sat and watched me for a few seconds and then disappeared.
The funny thing was i felt calm and i didnt stop my form i kept going like it knew me or something.

Garry

How come everybody else always has such great experiences? I've never even been out of the Americas.

Although last night on a conference call for work a guy called one of our female co-workers an f-ing ***** ... that was entertaining.

He probably got canned today. If not yet, then shortly.

Faruq

08-26-2006, 12:50 AM

Maybe you're not doing the same chi gongs that the guys having the experiences do...

How come everybody else always has such great experiences? I've never even been out of the Americas.

Although last night on a conference call for work a guy called one of our female co-workers an f-ing ***** ... that was entertaining.

He probably got canned today. If not yet, then shortly.

fiercest tiger

08-26-2006, 01:03 AM

Yes, i still may try the grappling circuit as i see that as fun and not all about killing! There is a difference my friend, for the last 20yrs everyday i had been thinking how to kill people that kinda plays with your head after a while and effects the heart amongst other things. Since my wife gave birth its hard to find time to do the things you want, so i do what is most cruical for training for myself and that is chi kung and other things, the wrestling/grappling is what we do in class to have some fun and hands on. So hopefully either this yr or next i will be injury free and fit enough to just go and enter BJJ and submission comps.

Garry

lunghushan

08-26-2006, 01:03 AM

In college all my friends would do pot and acid and see ants and have all these great hallucinations ...

I was always so jealous.

Faruq

08-26-2006, 01:15 AM

Faruq

08-26-2006, 01:17 AM

Fun??? Not if some Brazilian rips your elbow or knee joint apart!

Yes, i still may try the grappling circuit as i see that as fun and not all about killing! There is a difference my friend, for the last 20yrs everyday i had been thinking how to kill people that kinda plays with your head after a while and effects the heart amongst other things. Since my wife gave birth its hard to find time to do the things you want, so i do what is most cruical for training for myself and that is chi kung and other things, the wrestling/grappling is what we do in class to have some fun and hands on. So hopefully either this yr or next i will be injury free and fit enough to just go and enter BJJ and submission comps.

Garry

lunghushan

08-26-2006, 02:17 AM

Oh, so you were probably just facetiously lamenting not having experiences like the other people's. LOL. On the forums sometimes you just take things at face value, and I guess that's what I did with your comment. LOL.

Huh? No, seriously, I was really jealous. I never got to see any ants, dragons, or any of that stuff.

Faruq

08-26-2006, 02:59 AM

Well, I could do with or without them I guess. But definately without the drugs to just to see them. I've got enough problems, without having a drug habit. LOL. Maybe you should ask the guys who have the experiences what kind of chi gongs they do, and then find a local teacher of them?....

qiphlow

08-27-2006, 09:42 PM

why would dragons be prevalent in so many different cultures if they didn't exist?
and while we're on the subject of acid, one of my old roomies had some cats that like to lick our skin while we were tripping--i swear these cats could walk thru walls!

Faruq

09-12-2006, 09:01 PM

FT, have you gotten a chance to interact or talk with the Dragons yet? Did they respond at all?

mickey

09-13-2006, 04:23 AM

Greetings,

There is a type of Reiki available called Ra Sheeba Reiki. One of the aspects of it is that it is supposed to enable you to contact a dragon. I do not know from personal experience if this is true nor have I met anyone who have traveled this route.

mickey

fiercest tiger

09-13-2006, 05:34 AM

I have not had anymore visions or dreams as yet, i am also a reiki lv 2 practioner never heard of contatcing dragons as part of the training.

Interesting

Garry

mickey

09-13-2006, 02:16 PM

Fiercest tiger,

The reiki method I am talking about is Ra Sheeba reiki. It comes out of Australia. It was in their manual.

mickey

cjurakpt

09-18-2006, 04:23 AM

from a more "down to earth" perspective, there are dragons all over the place, in terms of how the landscape is laid out; that is, the way hills, valleys, mountains, ridges, hollows, etc. are laid out can be discerned as the body parts of dragons: claws, spine, mouth and pearl - this is like macro-fung seiuh - to wit, we went to Tuscanny to do a retreat with my teacher some years ago; it was up in the hills in a fairly isolated place; when we got there, sifu took a walk around to get a sense of the lay of the land; the next day, he pointed out to some of us how a nearby mountain ridge formed the spine of a dragon, and where the two smaller hills were that made up it's claws, where it's mouth was and how, interestingly enough, the hill we were on was the pearl...

we do have a picture of this - someone took a shot with one of those panoramic view cameras, and it's pretty wild...

qiphlow

09-18-2006, 04:53 AM

... a nearby mountain ridge formed the spine of a dragon, and where the two smaller hills were that made up it's claws, where it's mouth was and how, interestingly enough, the hill we were on was the pearl...

we do have a picture of this - someone took a shot with one of those panoramic view cameras, and it's pretty wild...

would it be possible to post the picture? it would be cool to see it.

cjurakpt

09-18-2006, 02:20 PM

I'll try to see if I have a copy of it - then I'd have to figure out how to scan and post it (my web fu in this regard is lacking...); if not, maybe I'll ask my sifu to scan it (his web fu is excelent!)

Faruq

10-01-2006, 05:17 PM

In all honesty, the whole idea of speaking to spiritual entities is not my thing. I feel more like "y'all keep to y'all selves, I'll keep to myself, and it'll be all good in the hood". A lot of people talk about being able to receive knowledge from them, but I'd need an example of knowledge that gave someone a tremendous advantage over us regular people in combat business or life, before I'd want to venture into that realm myself. Now I'm not knocking anyone for doing it, but more asking practitioners for concrete examples of benefit as I contemplate this stuff. It just seems like much too dangerous a realm for me to just be wandering around in, unless there are concrete benefits to reap. I dunno...

fiercest tiger

10-02-2006, 02:09 AM

What if you dont ask or want it and it comes and find out the knowledge is best you have ever done?

Faruq

10-02-2006, 02:59 AM

I guess, then I'd be convinced.

Soykuil

10-14-2006, 08:16 AM

Cool thread,
hey FT.
well guys, my story is i have been meditating for a while now and have experienced some really coll things.

In one i was floating among the clouds in my seated med position with the dragon circling arond me as if in a protective state (atleast i think). i was looking down and all i saw were clouds.

Other times i was seeing the past, present and future ( i mean soilders in ancient rome, ancient cities etc.) then i saw aliens etc.

Another time my third eye was throbbing from energy. Now i can always feel my third eye getting energy coming in

thats al i can think of for now.

fiercest tiger

10-15-2006, 01:02 AM

Hey Soy,

Yeah, some weird and wonderful things happen during meditation!

Isnt it funny how we can picture dragons in our minds but never have seen a dragon?

FT

Faruq

10-16-2006, 07:26 PM

How many years of meditation did it take before you started experiencing this kind of stuff? Any chi projection skills yet, bro? Oh, and by the way, soykuil's are very painful!

Cool thread,
hey FT.
well guys, my story is i have been meditating for a while now and have experienced some really coll things.

In one i was floating among the clouds in my seated med position with the dragon circling arond me as if in a protective state (atleast i think). i was looking down and all i saw were clouds.

Other times i was seeing the past, present and future ( i mean soilders in ancient rome, ancient cities etc.) then i saw aliens etc.

Another time my third eye was throbbing from energy. Now i can always feel my third eye getting energy coming in

thats al i can think of for now.

fiercest tiger

10-17-2006, 10:06 AM

Faruq

check your PM!:)

Faruq

10-18-2006, 01:26 AM

Did, and sent you one back!

Faruq

check your PM!:)

Soykuil

10-20-2006, 03:03 PM

Faruq,
FT is my sifu and i have been training the chi for a few yrs now with him doing our ykm internal system. i have been meditating on and off for yrs but recently i started doing them on a daily basis.

We practice on each other different things, you know testing the chi, among other things.

Yeah soykuils are the best!!!!!! :) LOL

Faruq

10-20-2006, 03:23 PM

I can't wait to see what kind of internal stuff you and FT are training 10 years from now. How many internal people are there out there who are actually interested in fighting with their stuff, right? And how often do you hear of internal martial training period? Martial is definately not associated with internal as often as it is with external, as you can find external martial training (however low the quality) in practically every McDojo in America. But how many qualified internal fighters? So I'm glad youse guys have them out where youse guys are.

fiercest tiger

10-21-2006, 03:21 AM

Faruq,

There is many things that happen during internal training, learning about how your body works and levels of how the energy gets manifested. Ive broken through a new door in the last 2-3 weeks which i am very happy about. How many levels are there during internal training i dont know but so far im my internal YKM form ive come across 7 different levels of attaining and progressing how i play the form and what ive accomplished!

This is just a beginning there is also additives on top of how the body is used during a form for instance, stillness i call it or dragon body which is more alive, 6 harmonies and so forth.

Garry

Faruq

10-21-2006, 04:44 AM

Yeah, doesn't surprise me Garry because I always knew you were right on the money with your knowledge and training! I just hope one day to have knowledge as powerful as yours to train.

fiercest tiger

10-21-2006, 06:12 AM

Faruq,

Thanks, but truely i am nothing and all you need is to listen to whats happening with in and out of you. Sounds silly but you actually can feel many things going on! Standing meditation and moving meds can be th most powerful tool to get you to know so much about yourself and how to apply to everything not just martial arts. For instance Yi Chuan has no forms just meds but they call themselves the warriors of stillness, mostly all internal arts will have some sort of sitting , standing and moving meds that will develop certain attributes for whatever purpose you need.

Train smart is the key not always physcial you feel me? ;)

Garry

cheesedog

10-21-2006, 08:47 AM

I used to see dragons and other entities quite a bit. I was meditating every day and just seemed to have a more "spiritual" way of perceiving the world. After college I pretty much fell away from the meditating. But I occasionally experimented with certain recreational substances and still would have odd things happen every once and awhile. I got tired of the partying after a few years, and the experiances seemed to mostly go away. Then I started training in Okinawan Kempo, which (like so many arts) is external in the beginning but gets more and more internal as your training continues. I noticed as I began to work on chi development that some of the "odd occurances" began to return.
One particular time I had spent the better part of the day meditating, doing qigong and forms. I went to the bathroom to answer nature's call and glanced in the mirror over the sink in passing. It certainly LOOKED like I could see both my image and a dragon's image, superimposed. Or maybe the dragons, face was coming out of my face, I don't know. Well, when you see something like that, you gotta stop and look. After a few moments it faded.

I don't THINK I'm crazy, but I could be wrong!:D

Cheesedog

fiercest tiger

10-21-2006, 10:51 AM

I know of a guy that teachers Jujustu and his students said he made his face look like a lion and they ran out? He was playing around with some spiritual stuff or what not at the time.

Garry

Faruq

10-21-2006, 05:57 PM

Yeah, but are the Yi Quan people gonna make their high-level stuff available to the general public? I'm just saying, you've got the YKM internal stuff to train, the Wun Yuen internal stuff to train, and all that sounds like some powerful stuff. I just hope to have that kind of stuff to train myself one day.

But I think you're pretty advanced, and that's why you get so much out of just sitting and listening to yourself and body, or standing and listening to yourself. But you had to start with powerful sitting, standing and moving meds that you say all internal arts have. I hope to one day have the standind and moving meds that you speak of.

Faruq,

Thanks, but truely i am nothing and all you need is to listen to whats happening with in and out of you. Sounds silly but you actually can feel many things going on! Standing meditation and moving meds can be th most powerful tool to get you to know so much about yourself and how to apply to everything not just martial arts. For instance Yi Chuan has no forms just meds but they call themselves the warriors of stillness, mostly all internal arts will have some sort of sitting , standing and moving meds that will develop certain attributes for whatever purpose you need.

Train smart is the key not always physcial you feel me? ;)

Garry

fiercest tiger

10-21-2006, 06:01 PM

Not really, basic sitting and standing is all you need and will and can take you to different levels.

I dont know if my previous external has lead me to understand the internal or my recent knoweledge of wun yuen and ykm has developed it?

Garry

Faruq

10-21-2006, 06:34 PM

I bet it has, because I don't remember you saying too much about internal 7 or 8 years back, and now you're "John the Baptist" spreading your Gospel of internal. I am sooooo glad I came across your website looking for jow all those years back. Just too bad I didn't live in Oz, or I might be skilled like you and Soykuil now! You're a fortunate person Garry, and I'm happy you've found what your martial career has always been leading up to.

I dont know if my previous external has lead me to understand the internal or my recent knoweledge of wun yuen and ykm has developed it?

Garry