MTV2's FINAL FU

[GeneChing]

Discuss this show:
The FINAL FU on MTV2
by Melissa Leon-Guerrero Do (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=672)

[SPJ]

It sounds like a very good program to showcase different MA styles across the states.

MTV is martial TV or musical TV?

:D

[ZhuiQuan]

Well... lots of "Do", but not enough "Fu". The cast is the usual MTV formula. I wonder how they'll work in a secret relationship and a hot tub... I watched maybe 5 minutes of it and turned it off.

TV bad... I'm gonna go train.

[El Guapo]

Wow that def takes my vote as worst show ever. I would rather watch the kung fu k-9 on the family channel.
With everyone being TKD and Karate shouldnt they have called it Final Do(rk)?
And they threw in a Wing Chun "master" as a fight judge. well thanks for the thought Reyes, but no thanks. I guess you had to be able to do 10ft spinning back kicks to get on the show. Cause if you cant kick bigfoot in the face your not a Martial artist.
what a stupid challenge "bull in a china shop" well the bull part is right. These guys didnt even have to kick the targets. I think i saw that same challenge on family double dare!
In the fight in the end the points were like 75 to 86....thats like 20 or 30 blows landed each.....and neither one got hurt...WTF? They should have just had a breakdance battle.
I wish I had four hands, So I could give it four thumbs down!
MTV2 should stick to reruns of punked and the Andy Milanocis show.

I am sure i will watch it again.....its like slowing down for a car crash. Kinda the same way i get stuck watching benny hinn perform his christian healing majic. Its so horrid but i cant make myself look away......

[dwid]

I caught the last ten minutes of an episode last night. The two guys with the lowest points had to "spar." They called it light contact sparring or some such, but when one guy made the slightest of contact with the other guy's head, they warned him, then deducted a point. It looked like an old school girly girl slap/pillow fight. One guy had the other one backing up the whole fight, was totally dominating him in their little silly game of tag, and still lost on points.

There's an XMA guy on the show, and they actually list that as his style. Nuff said.

I've said before on these boards that point sparring is the devil (more or less). It actually trains people to be worse fighters than if they had no training at all. Just watch an episode, and my point will be made, you'll see guys wading into each other throwing rapid fire strikes without any structure (because raw number of hits is all that counts), and without any effort to protect their heads.

My favorite part is the collective delusion among the participants. It takes me back to some of my very early training. The people participating really think that their performance in this competition represents some indication of genuine martial prowess, like the guy that can do a flying spinning back kick the highest and ****hest is the most dangerous person on the planet. I just can't believe there are still people who are so naive.

This show sucks ever so badly, because I also can't look away from such a trainwreck.:o

[ZhuiQuan]

I feel like if this show goes on for another season, its ratings will mostly be contributed to 8 year old kids and people who can't stop watching its atrocity.

[GeneChing]

I haven't seen FINAL FU because it's MTV and I don't get MTV. But I think the concept of a martial arts reality show is intrinsically interesting. Didn't some American network do some sort of action star/stunt person reality show? And wasnt' Chuck Norris going to do something? Or did that morph into his team NHB show? I've heard there's one going in the UK - is it called FIGHT CLUB? China has a very popular one going right now called K-STAR (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39272). It's been going since April 2006 and they just held auditions in LA.

Are there more martial arts reality shows? I don't watch a lot of TV and I generally hate reality shows, um, except for America's Top Model :o .

[Design Sifu]

I friend of mine was telling me of a fight club type show that features sillicon Valley type nerds beating each other up with key boards and/or other equally absurd weapons of choice. Has anyone else seen such a show?

[Eliver]

25 grand on the line. That alone makes me wish I made it back in time for the auditions last december. They mentioned they might call me back if they do a second season, so I hope it does well. A lot of these guys fight like pure TKD guys in that they look clueless in close range or are just spasming out with punches. The sparring matches are pretty much TKD matches allowing light leg contact and no head contact. I wonder how a good ole po pai would hold up in that environment. Btw, does anyone recognize that Wing Chun Master named Eric? Who is he? I didn't get a good look at him, but is that Eric Oram?

[GeneChing]

Tell us more about that, Eliver! We'd love to hear details.

Here are some links I just poached off jiayo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68kDGadsbvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3mjcRVnJV4

;)

[Eliver]

Well, I was finishing up my last month studying abroad in Taiwan last december when I saw the ad. I was going to return on the 20th, which was a little bit past the end of the auditions, but they saw my resume and were willing to give me a look and said they'd call me. When I got back, I didn't have any messages on my cell phone. Apparently, they left me a message the night before on the 19th. But I didn't get it until the night of the 21st. So when i finally called them back, they told me they already closed the auditions but would be willing to give me a look if they do this another season. I didn't feel too bad though. I'd actually like to get even better if I'm going to be representing wing chun. Showing from the clips, I think if i learned the dragon pole training, it might help.

[BruceSteveRoy]

so i watched the trainwreckof a show last night too. the one guy's style is EMC (extreme monkey combat). he said he and his friend made it up and he is a master of it. when these words came out of my television i actually punched myself in the face. i hope i gave myself a loud and clear message in case i am tempted to watch it again. furthermore, i feel as though any style that has the word extreme in it should automatically pull a jim jones (that would be so EXTREMEly awesome).

[El Guapo]

Everyone that has anything to do with that show deserves an "extreme asswhoopin'.

I think its would be a bad idea for any real fighter to go on that show.
Wing chun especialy. The challenges and more so the sparing would be super stacked against you i.e. jumping kick worth 3 points. How much do we train ariel kicks in wing chun. And these challenges. you really dont need and fighting ability at all. Not to mention i just know that I would get kicked off first time i tried to fight because when the fists start flying i am going to punch one of them dudes in the face without thinking about it and knock thier ass out.
The only challenge i kinda wanna see are the one where they have to hold the bowls on thier arms and keep em stait long as pos.....who wants to bet these TKDers all drop it in no time.

[Eliver]

yeah, that's one thing I don't like. They're encouraging a lot of spinning and flying with the 3 point shots. I've done TKD for a long time as well, so I have no problem flying around if need be. But I'd probably feel like a kid in a toy store for the very first time if they allow leg kicks. Especially with all these guys flying around. In close range, like I said, all the guys we've seen just spasm out like they're having a seizure or they start running away. It looks like they'd be pretty screwed against someone who can hold their centerline (without grabbing) and start tapping away at their ribs. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the black guy who does boxing and kenpo just so i can see someone who will use his hands.

You'd also have some guys who try to turn it into full contact like that one white TKD dude (wow, that really narrowed it down didn't it?) last night. The second you try shoving your ego onto me like that with just kicks, i'm taking your leg out.

In the end, it's 25 grand. That's a lot of money I can use for tuition with my sifu and sihing and even possibly some BJJ classes on the side.

[SPJ]

I only have local TV channels. May be I will update my cable subscrpition.

There are many ways to have "game shows" on the TV.

May be call it fighting game show and not final or ultimate fu!

1. jepardy for MA history, theory and philosphy.

History for 200.
Dong Hai Chuan. Who is the creator of Ba Gua Zhang.

Zhang Sen Feng. Who is the daoist priest theoried Tai Chi Quan.

--- who is the first teacher/ o sensei of Aikido.

--

2. pushhands, Shuai Jiao etc etc game shows.

3. look at the move or posture and name the move and the style.

white crane spread wing, yang tai chi.

Shun Shi Zhang the third old palm Cheng Ba Gua.

4. watch a clip and name the actor and movie. listen to a theme song and name the movie.

Shaolin soccer, Zhou Xing Chi 2001?
--

etc etc.

:D

[Shaolindynasty]

It's a pretty sucky show. It makes MA look really lame and nerdy. I doubt it will make anyone want to learn it with those fights. The contact level is extremely limited (I used to think the Taji Legacy refs were restrictive on contact).

Even with all that....I haven't missed an episode. I feel like I have to support it even though it sucks.

[Pork Chop]

I am sure i will watch it again.....its like slowing down for a car crash. Kinda the same way i get stuck watching benny hinn perform his christian healing majic. Its so horrid but i cant make myself look away......


I agree with the Benny Hinn comment; but it's not like watching a car crash.

It's like watching 2 retards driving bumper cars made out of nitro glycerin with babies strapped to the front.... I just could not stop watching.

I've only watched maybe 1 or 2 full episodes. From what I've seen so far the girls had the best fight, with the young latina scoring a knockdown off a nice body shot.

I'd love to get an audition by kicking like a TKD/XMA dweeb and then show up to the taping, bust out a full ram muay, and break some of them metro-lookin dudes.
"WARNING! No head contact! uhhh i think we're gonna have to wake him up.... Can anyone call a doctor?!?"

Poor Ernie Reyes man... He's fought under Saekson & can really go... I guess it's karma tho... i mean he did help bring about the era of the sport karaddy...

[GeneChing]

I feel like I have to support it even though it sucks. I hear ya, Shaolindynasty. MTV is a novel platform to showcase martial arts. It's an interesting sign of our times. But I haven't seen anything yet beyond the youtube stuff. That looks entertaining, but it's only a few minutes long. A whole episode might not be so. I'll withhold judgement until I see it. It reminds me of this old episode of Fantasy Island where these two martial artists had to duel through a breaking obstacle course. They were actors so it was totally fake. I saw it with my cousin, the one who actually got me started in kung fu, and we laughed our heads off. We found it very entertaining, even though it wasn't 'good.'

[doug maverick]

i remember when this came out, i got a call from one of the producers, who i met a while back, they told me they got alot of mmixed ma and other style but no kung fu! when i sent them some guys i knew who were good at kung fu, they didn't want them cause it didn't look like tkd! suck right!!!! that shows you they don't even know what they want

[Shaolindynasty]

But I haven't seen anything yet beyond the youtube stuff. That looks entertaining

Yeah it's entertaining. It's entertaining in an extremely cheesy way. I find myself yelling "oh c'mon!" at the tv allot with a disgusted look on my face.

From an entertainment standpoint there is only one real problem. I don't know what the hell is going on and how do you win? I'm not talkin about the matches but the whole show.

For instance if you lose the challenge then you fight. Makes sense right? Yet if you lose your challenge but win your fight you'll end up with more points than the guy who came in first. So in order to win you need to lose the most?:confused:

It's hard for me to understand. I know people without MA tournament experience are gonna be like, WTF?:confused:

I feel like I have to support it but it'll probally be a long time before MTV does anything with MA again.

BTW, I expect the TKD style to be prefered in the contest. That's Reyes main style

[IronFist]

I just saw the last 10 min of this show on MTV2. It was like a reality show with stunts and eliminations and they had to spar at the end, but no head contact. It's hosted by Ernie Reyes Jr., but I didn't recognize him until they gave his name at the end.

[ZhuiQuan]

Go to the Martial Media forums... there's a topic in there about it.

[rogue]

The name, Final Fu, SuxAzz.
The stunts and challenges highlight what's wrong with most.
And the fighting at the end makes me cringe.

It's everything that I hate about the martial arts rolled into one horrible show.
The only good thing that I can say about it is it's only 30 minutes long and not an hour. If they really wanted to show how bad what is currently taught in many martial arts schools, they'd have them doing musical kata dressed like Teletubbies.

[jethro]

The name, Final Fu, SuxAzz.
The stunts and challenges highlight what's wrong with most.
And the fighting at the end makes me cringe.

It's everything that I hate about the martial arts rolled into one horrible show.
The only good thing that I can say about it is it's only 30 minutes long and not an hour. If they really wanted to show how bad what is currently taught in many martial arts schools, they'd have them doing musical kata dressed like Teletubbies.


Lol, I love watching bad MA's, I will have to check it out.

[Ben Gash]

Hmm, appears to be a US remake of a British show called "fightschool" from about 4 years ago.

[BigPandaBear]

Man, they might as well call this show "slap fu", because that's what a lot of the fighters were doing when they "fought" each other.

This show isn't bad. I can understand the point based system, its in place to give the girls in the show a chance against the guys when they fight each other.

The obstacle courses determine who's going to fight, and it also gives you points. The entire competition is point-based. If you win the courses, and the fights, you'll win the competition overall.

One thing this show proves is that hot girls still prefer TKD over any other MA. :eek:

[rogue]

You know what the sad part is? I find myself watching the blasted thing. I do the samething with some info-mertials.

[Average Joe]

If there were any kung fu they would be punching the targets that were head high and kicking the targets that were waste level. just a-nother example of a great TKD guy with money trying to make his korean art the best. Kung fu rules. this show has potential and I see where the head judges descision is final but it is so gay they should call it make an ass of your self fu. and generally discrase all martialarts fu to get on TV.

[jethro]

when the hell is this on???

[David Jamieson]

They really made a mistake by not including nerf weapons and mexican wrestler masks.


heavy on the ghey that show is. lol

america's martial arts are sooooo commercial. The value of them is sucked right out and tossed in the trash in favour of the flash and stupid ass posing.

too bad, But then, I guess it keeps the herd away from teh good stuff if they are always wtareing themselves at that trough.

hahaha. suckers.

[Fu-Pow]

Hey anyone remember when Ernie Reyes Jr. was on that show "Sidekicks" in the 80's....wasn't Chuck Norris on there also?

Anyhoo, this XMA type of crap will always end up on TV because it looks flashy.

"Real" martial arts is pretty boring to watch.

FP

[BigPandaBear]

"Real" martial arts is pretty boring to watch.

FP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot7hBY4lQ2c&search=capoeira ;)

[BruceSteveRoy]

yeah, i cant stop watching that stupid show either. i hate it but i cant look away which makes me hate it more. anyway, i finally understand why people think martial arts are BS. This is the what America sees when they think of MA. Its depressing. i cant believe they give more points for jumping spinning kicks. its such an impractical attack. i am going to go now. i am sad.

[Emeraldphoenix]

That was the worst i have ever seen.

Take some 10 year old kids put some gloves on them and you would have a more entertaining show of skill.

I cant even believe that it made it to tv, nor can i believe the participants would even show their faces.

I saw 1 episode. guy was rolling around like monkey. and they are saying wow check out his wonderful display of skill. Had to puke after that one...

[Pork Chop]

I still stand by my original comment on this show:

... but it's not like watching a car crash.
It's like watching 2 retards driving bumper cars made out of nitro glycerin with babies strapped to the front.... I just could not stop watching.

[Shaolindynasty]

If you win the courses, and the fights, you'll win the competition overall.



No you won't. That guy Matt came in first on one challenge placed high in the rest. Won all his fights but came in 5th place and was kicked off the show. Meanwhile the girl that placed in the top 4 pretty much lost everything she was in

[Banjos_dad]

Maybe grand prize for final foo' should be a spot in next season's "The Ultimate Fighter" ;) :D

[BigPandaBear]

Maybe grand prize for final foo' should be a spot in next season's "The Ultimate Fighter" ;) :D


You know, I'd actually pay to see that one...:D

[Banjos_dad]

you wouldn't even have to pay for that one my friend, i'd have a viewing party at my house & we'd all watch it together...bring your own bottle :cool:

you know it will never happen though, at such high levels of proficiency these guys can't break out their best moves: "our moves are t3h d34dly, way too intense for sport" :rolleyes: It's for the good of humanity of course.

[JamesC]

So I just got through watching the fights on MTV Overdrive.

I've seriously seen better fights at point competitions. The only good technique in the entire show was the left hook to the throat. Dude went dooowwwwnn!

Anyways, i'll never watch it again. It's disgusting.

[David Jamieson]

craptastic.

I had to say it. But what do you expect from that outfit? something deep? lol
mtv doesn't do deep.

[GeneChing]

...I'm fascinated with all your comments. The one theme that has emerged is that the show sucks because the fights are bad. That seems rather silly and narrow-minded to me here as a detached observer. Obviously, the fights are not the focus. If you want good fights, that's what cage matches are for. That's a whole different market, a whole different entertainment media. What should make this show interesting or uninteresting would be the dynamics of reality tv - do the personalities work? Are there heroes and villains? Who's going to win? Also, the imaginativeness of the 'challenges' should be a factor. The youtube stuff seemed rather unimaginative. Like I said earlier, it reminds me of an old episode of Fantasy Island I saw. IMHO, one of the most interesting aspect of K-STAR (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39272) was that the contestents where tested on CMA history. I'm told that many washed out here, which sounds hilarious to me personally, but that may be because I could rock that kind of test. Imagine if they did something like that for Final Fu.

Anyway, I get the idea y'all don't like the fights. What about the rest? I'll probably never see it so I'm experiencing it vicariously through all of you (and enjoying it!) Note that this is the longest discussion thread that we've had off an e-zine article (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=672)so far, so props to author Melissa Leon-Guerrero Do for putting this piece together for us.

[David Jamieson]

~g

You should be proud that you're likely one of the only people on the planet that could rock a kungfu history test. I would put that in the arena of...oh I don't know, that's what you live breath and eat and have done so for a good many years? :p

For me, it's not so much the fighting, which is poor, yes, but the cheese. It's not nacho cheese, it's caker americana cheese and it blows the context of martial arts.

It has a real silly xma feel to it and once again makes martial arts enthusiasts to look like nutbags.

which maybe we are? I don't know. Lol, I don't have a proper reference except for that it seems most of the people in my neighbour hood are content with getting fat, watching tv as an activity , getting zero exercise and eating the wrong foods and an improbability of being able to defend themselves if need be.

It's that or jogging fanatics and yoga moms.

This is all good of course, but when we are a limited segment of the population and we are continually put forth to the wider public with all this cheesiness, it diminishes the overall value of traditional martial arts by turning people off to them or by misleading people into incorrectly perceiving what they are or have the potential of adding to their lives.

2 cents, I know it's a lousy tip, but its all I got at the moment.

[Eliver]

Alright, after checking out the show one last time last night, I really don't know if i want to watch it again. The fights have now digressed into people hugging their chests so they don't get tagged all the while poking away. This last fight had a super big Hung Gar dude vs. a 4'8" TKD girl. Here are my thoughts:

1. The girl was flopping her ass off even though she wasn't getting hit that hard. Well, it worked. It made the judges think the guy was using excessive force

2. No back contact? Even when under control? Are you kidding me? So technically, i could fight the whole match with my back facing my opponent and mule kick my way to victory and my opponent can't do jack.

3. Lastly, the Hung Gar guy got DQed when he barely touched her face. Hell, it looked like he punched her arm more than her face. Bull**** i tells ya.

[BruceSteveRoy]

amen. that was the biggest bunch of bs i have seen. what the heck do they expect when you put a 6' tall guy against someone that is 4'8 in a continuous sparring match where you have to keep your attacks between the knee and shoulders and cant hit the back. he has such an amazingly smaller target to hit than her. anyway, these fighters seem better than the last batch of retards they had on there. the hung gar guy is going to lose so bad bc he isnt flashy enough.
i have resorted to keeping myself amused trying to watch ernie reyes while he is reffing the fights. he jumps around like a little leprechaun in the back ground. its so funny to watch. i never had an opinion on him before this show and now my opinion is he is doing more to hurt the credibility and reputation of MA than all of the bs MA instructors in the country. he is a person in the spotlight and at the moment he is showcasing the worst side of MA.
there are a few guys in this new batch of fighters that look like they have a lot of skill though. sad part is they arent allowed to show anything real. i think they would have been better off putting foot, hand and headgear on these ppl and let them go at it. i mean its not like these ppl are fragile. they are martial artists. they are not made of porcelain. they all (more than likely) have had some full contact experience. if they havent then i have to say they shouldn't all be claiming to be all these different degrees of black belt. the show has a lot of potential and conceptually it is a great idea but the execution of the show is poorly done.

[David Jamieson]

Reyes has damaged the image of martial arts for a long time. starting with his stupid ninja kids movies and all teh way along with his musical karate crapfest.

I'd like to see rich franklin beat the living sh1t out of him personally. But he would never step into a realistic fight situation ever.

another creepy hollyweird freak really.

[Shaolindynasty]

Ok, this proves the point system of the show is flawed.

Last night the new group was only on their second day. This girl who came in last on the challenge and lost her fight badly came in third place overall:confused:

I could look past the ridiculous aspects if it at least made sense

[Pork Chop]

Reyes has fought muay thai under saeksan janjira; so yeah, he has done a pro fight before.

Franklin's a bit out of his weight class, Kenny Florian or Jens Pulver's a little closer to the mark.

[dwid]

Anyway, I get the idea y'all don't like the fights. What about the rest? I'll probably never see it so I'm experiencing it vicariously through all of you (and enjoying it!) Note that this is the longest discussion thread that we've had off an e-zine article (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=672)so far, so props to author Melissa Leon-Guerrero Do for putting this piece together for us.

Well, the trouble is, there isn't anything to the show other than the challenges and fights. So, you can't really evaluate it from the perspective of "reality show." There is no character development, and the only glimpses of personality come during snippets between rounds of fighting and immediately after challenges. Most of these snippets involve delusional comments suggesting that the competitors really believe that their performance suggests some kind of combat skill.

This really only leaves one to evaluate it as an athletic competition, as that is more or less the format it is presented as. As such, it is neither an accurate reflection of traditional training or martial arts or of combat, while pretending to be all of these.

[canglong]

The most disappointing thing seems to be once again the potential for something good was turned into another version of the Real World when in fact that show and final fu are far from it. Yes there was too much tkd and karate for a show that advertises all styles. Too much hype and not enough fu.

[Chief Fox]

I watched the show for the first time last night. Actually I watched 4 episodes.

There are good things and bad things about the show.

Good things:
1. It's bringing martial arts to the masses. Maybe not the best martial arts but martial arts none-the-less.

2. All or most of the competitors are in excellent physical condition.

3. The idea of the fights is control. Not to beat somebody into submission. Control is a good thing.

4. The callenges are pretty entertaining and deffinately require a lot of effort.

Bad things:
1. Most of the competitors have very large egos. If you have a large ego, I think that you are misrepresenting your art.

2. Most of the competitors, especially the girls are listed as second and third degree black belts. I find this to be a joke. They appear to have decent skills when performing in a non combat situation but once they are fighting it looks very sloppy. Their technique goes out the window.

3. While control is a good thing in the fights, it's not very realistic and is sometimes unfair. I realise that the control is there to level the playing field but it really isn't that effective. For example: You have a 6 foot tall male fighting a 5'9" female. Both are supposed to have about the same amount of experience. The male is obviously a lot stronger. The female walks right into one of his techniques and basically bounces off, snapping her head back. The male is then penalized for using excessive force. This wrong for a few reasons. a. The female displayed poor technique by wlkaing into the males kick. b. She then played up the injury saying she got "whiplash". c. The male is penalized and is now somehow responsible for the female's lack of control. d. Now the male is gunshy because he doesn't want to be disqualified thus allowing the female to land more techniques.

4. The challenges really reveal who is the superior athlete. It's very surprizing that these so-called black belts are in some cases kinda whiney during the challenges.

[TaichiMantis]

In the fight tonight, he was the only one that looked like he could really do some damage.

[qiphlow]

why all the surprise about the show being such a narrow representation of MA ? it's on mtv, after all! i would guess that most folks who watch are not aware of the diversity of MA styles, only what they have seen in movies (american movies), and on the tv. HIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYAAAAA!
in watching, i have found most of the girls to be tough as ****--thay keep on going. most of the guys seem like they think they're god's gift to MA. and what is "american" karate?

[BigPandaBear]

I just saw the Isshin-Ryu guy fighting against the Red Dragon Karate girl, and the dude kicked the girl in the side and she was complaining about some sort of whiplash.. lol!! The guy wasn't even hitting her that hard.

Bottom line is the girl got rocked, and if there weren't so many restrictions on contact, that girl would have went home in a stretcher.

It just reinforces my belief that a lot of these dojos aren't teaching how to take a hit. One clean sock in that girl's face and the fight would have been over. She was as frail as a **** leaf. For women, that can be a fatal mistake.

[BigPandaBear]

I just saw the Kenpo guy lose to that American Karate guy. What a joke. The Kenpo guy was pounding the guy and the scores weren't registering. Punches obviously don't mean jack in this show.

[Banjos_dad]

come on though. One good thing about seeing bad MA thru any medium is that, don't you get that little touch of schadenfreude, like ****: at least that's not me
Come on, doesn't it make you feel better, even a little?

[jethro]

and when is this show on?

[BruceSteveRoy]

its on MTV2 at 0730 EST and i think again at 2300 EST. Mon-Fri. new episode every day. They are getting ready to start the 3rd group of 10 ppl before moving into the final rounds. also on the weekends they tend to show every episode from the previous week. Its a terrible show but it sucks yuou in and won't let you look away.

[famenchuan]

Worst show ever. This just gives traditional martial arts a bad name. First they all look like models who could not get a job. None of them could fight for ****. Some of the competitions are a joke. You cant hit to the face. You cant have excessive force even if your just hitting to the body. The show is just a disgrace. I actually put a application in and if I get on the show I'm just going to beat the **** out of the first person I fight. Dont care if I get disqualified. This show could of been great too.

[Chief Fox]

But maybe it's not that great in its current form.

The idea, I believe, is to find the best all around martial artist.

How do you do this? Through certain physical challenges that measure speed, strength, endurance, flexibility, balance and warrior spirit. You also do this through sparring matches.

Final Fu does well with the physical challenges. It falls short with the sparring because it is downgraded with restrictions to level the playing field. This leveling of the playing field actually allows a lesser martial artist to excell if they play by rules better than their opponent.

Another place where MTV has come up short with Final Fu is in the selection of the martial artists. The field is domminated by Tai Kwon Do and Karate practitioners. There is very little representation from other arts. To me, this gives a lopsided view of what martial arts are.

I sorta understand the light contact rule. This is a TV show. What makes it interesting is all the different players. If a player gets injured on day one they may not be able to participate in the rest of the show. I think this is why they went with light contact. Maybe there were insurance issues too. Who knows. Still, I believe they should wear head gear and allow shots to the head. It would make the show a bit more realistic. BUT I also don't want to see a 6' guy KO a 5'6" girl.

If I had my own martial arts school, I would have a Final Fu tournament about every 6 months or so with my students. I think it does a good job of identifying weak points in fitness and martial skill.

So how would you bring a Final Fu-esque tournament to your school. What challenges would you have? How would you handle the sprring? How would you handle paticipants of different sizes and abilities?

[jstreet]

Based on the "Hung-Gar" guy getting DQ'D for excessive contact on the 4"8,
95 LB, TKD girl I think the Men and Women should be seperated. A 20MPH gust of wind would be excessive force against the 95lb chick. It should be 15 guys and 15 women and two winners instead of one. You guys are right on the money with the 3rd degree black belt chicks having poor technique in their matches. The Red Dragon Karate chicks walk right in to punches and kicks. Hard to maintain control when that's happening. The Olympic TKD Chick will probably win the whole thing. She was almost in tears during the challenge, but she was racking up points against the karate guy, because Olmpic TKD is all about point sparring. Change the name of the show to the Final Do, not Final Fu. The deck is clearly stacked for the TKD'ers to win it all, or maybe the Monkey Combat guy since he looks flashy on TV. For me the show is watchable but not respectable. They are looking for something other than the best possible martial artist.

[Shaolinlueb]

from the sparring i saw it was awful

there were people walking into punches and kicks and then their opponent was getting points taken away or losing. i was like ernie reyes jr isnt that good of a judge. but if i can see im sure he can see it, and i have less experience then him. i wont watch it. i think the show is junk, and tailored to xma type crap.

[Chief Fox]

from the sparring i saw it was awful

there were people walking into punches and kicks and then their opponent was getting points taken away or losing. i was like ernie reyes jr isnt that good of a judge. but if i can see im sure he can see it, and i have less experience then him. i wont watch it. i think the show is junk, and tailored to xma type crap.
I totally agree but I think the concept is a good one. How could the show be better? How would you level the playing field with different sized people participating?

[jstreet]

I totally agree but I think the concept is a good one. How could the show be better? How would you level the playing field with different sized people participating?

The concept is too MTV for my taste. I am just waiting for the hot tub and the secrets like real world. We've already had the "gay" Karate guy from the first ten say how he has made all gay fighters proud. What does him being gay have to do with winning the 25k or with anything for that matter? Nothing, that's why I say it's way too MTV. When I saw the Red Dragon Karate Chicks had 15 years of training I was thinking they would be much better than they are. Apparently for 15 years their parents dropped them off at the day care with kicks and belts. As long as MTV is in charge of this project look for more of the same Fluff. If it were on Spike TV, perhaps it would be better. I lost all hope when the Hung Gar guy was eliminated because of his DQ. I'll bet he would have done well against that field going full contact. I guess I like the full contact fighting to much to appreciate this controlled fighting.

[GeneChing]

...happy 25th birthday, MTV!
:p

[amphymixis]

the competitors look like they spend more time on their hair and make-up than on their skills and training. some of the fights remind me of a coked up cat fight between paris hilton and nicole richie. it's a sad program

[GeneChing]

...I'd watch a coked up cat fight between paris hilton and nicole richie, especially if they did it in a pit of nacho sauce.

[BruceSteveRoy]

omg that olympic tkd girl on the new group of contestants is such a whiney little baby. and did she call them all tae kwan ****s? i think she did. o boohoo poor thing lost bc she left her arms down at her sides the whole fight. and she sits there and says "its one thing to lose to someone that is better than you but..." someone needs to knock this little prima donna out. anyway, the new challenge was funny. they had to hold a horse stance as long as they could and balance bowls on the backs of their hands. i have never had to do anything with bowls but i imagine that might add difficulty but horse stances are the most fundamental thing in CMA. of course no one on the show does CMA but still. these ppl were buckling after like a minute to a minute in a half. i would think if they are in as good shape as they look they would be strong enough to at least gor 3 minutes. we hold horse stance in my schools basic class for 3 minutes at the beginning of every class. my old school was even more insane with stance training. i guess i was just surprised to see how bad they failed.

[Average Joe]

Tai kwan dorcc that has to sum up the entire show. It is nothing like what I expected to see either and the fact that one of the competitors is complaining that the competition is bogus is finally a moment of truth about it. And yes the show should be called the final do but since fu means man I guess it is no matter that it is chinese. Just a great shame that there is very little chinese martial representation.

[Shaolindynasty]

especially if they did it in a pit of nacho sauce.


Wouldn't that burn???:eek: :eek: :eek:

[amphymixis]

I enjoyed watching their attempts at the horse stance. why were they acting like they never heard of the horse stance??! :confused: Isn't that a basic kungfu exercise? most black belts I know can hold that position for long periods of time without breaking a sweat, but the final fu idiots struggled with two minutes. and these people are suppose to be world champs.

[Shaolinlueb]

the horse stance issue.

1. you said they were all tae kwan do'ists.
2. how many tae kwan do schools you know practice the deep horse stance?
3. for not ever practicing it, they didnt do too bad form the sound of it.

4. its mtv they jsut cater to what people want. you all see the gymnastics challenge where they were all jumping around and flipping and ****. i was like wtf... xma gay.

*edit
by no way am i defending this show. i fvcking hate it

as for the coce'd up catfight in a pit of nacho cheese sauce, bring it ON BABY!!! id pay ppv for that ****.

[Hieronim]

.thats like 20 or 30 blows landed each.....and neither one got hurt...WTF?

boxers go through 10 rounds and often neither get hurt or knocked down, wtf.

[Hieronim]

I caught the last ten minutes of an episode last night. The two guys with the lowest points had to "spar." They called it light contact sparring or some such, but when one guy made the slightest of contact with the other guy's head, they warned him, then deducted a point. It looked like an old school girly girl slap/pillow fight. One guy had the other one backing up the whole fight, was totally dominating him in their little silly game of tag, and still lost on points.

There's an XMA guy on the show, and they actually list that as his style. Nuff said.

I've said before on these boards that point sparring is the devil (more or less). It actually trains people to be worse fighters than if they had no training at all. Just watch an episode, and my point will be made, you'll see guys wading into each other throwing rapid fire strikes without any structure (because raw number of hits is all that counts), and without any effort to protect their heads. And find me one clip of a kung fu fioght on the net that doesnt look like a *****/slap fest, esp with wing chun.

My favorite part is the collective delusion among the participants. It takes me back to some of my very early training. The people participating really think that their performance in this competition represents some indication of genuine martial prowess, like the guy that can do a flying spinning back kick the highest and ****hest is the most dangerous person on the planet. I just can't believe there are still people who are so naive.

This show sucks ever so badly, because I also can't look away from such a trainwreck.:o


first off it isnt point sparring, because they dont stop after getting hit like in those old karate tourneys they kep going so its full contact. And secondly hitting to the head is also illegal in kyoukishin and almost any karate style. Watch that movie fighting black kings where thos ekung fu guys get killed by them.

[Hieronim]

Everyone that has anything to do with that show deserves an "extreme asswhoopin'.

I think its would be a bad idea for any real fighter to go on that show.
Wing chun especialy. The challenges and more so the sparing would be super stacked against you i.e. jumping kick worth 3 points. How much do we train ariel kicks in wing chun. And these challenges. you really dont need and fighting ability at all. Not to mention i just know that I would get kicked off first time i tried to fight because when the fists start flying i am going to punch one of them dudes in the face without thinking about it and knock thier ass out.
The only challenge i kinda wanna see are the one where they have to hold the bowls on thier arms and keep em stait long as pos.....who wants to bet these TKDers all drop it in no time.

lol you dont even have enough control to hit someone below the head you have no skill, thats like saying oh if I fought in the ufc I would just use my dim mak and kill them casue when the fists start flying I cant help myself.

[dwid]

first off it isnt point sparring, because they dont stop after getting hit like in those old karate tourneys they kep going so its full contact. And secondly hitting to the head is also illegal in kyoukishin and almost any karate style. Watch that movie fighting black kings where thos ekung fu guys get killed by them.

Full contact? You're an idiot. Ever hear of "continuous point sparring." There is nothing full contact about final fu.

As far as your comments about boxing. Strike two. Nobody goes 10 rounds boxing and is not hurt. They maybe don't show it during the match because of adrenaline and whatnot, but those guys are like walking bruises for the next several days. The difference is that the final fu peeps, being so unused to any physical contact at all in their combat simulations are just gigantic p@ssies who treat minor contact as the end of the world.

[Hieronim]

there is no such thing as continuous pioint sparring. if its ocntinuous its not point sparring. Just because they dont hit hard doesnt mean they cant, or what you see on tv could be deceiving. How do you know they arent bruised up too afterwards? And most kung fu people are pussies btw that dont do anything regarding contact, and fight like nothing out of their style.

[godzillakungfu]

there is no such thing as continuous pioint sparring. if its ocntinuous its not point sparring. Just because they dont hit hard doesnt mean they cant, or what you see on tv could be deceiving. How do you know they arent bruised up too afterwards? And most kung fu people are pussies btw that dont do anything regarding contact, and fight like nothing out of their style.
Really?




http://www.teamusapankration.com/pankration/rules/rules.html#Pik%20Lak%20/%20Ano

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22continuous+point+sparring%22&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t400&x=wrt

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=continuous+point+sparring&btnG=Google+Search


No it isn't full contact. Someone lied to you.

[Hieronim]

whats the difference between that and full contact than? how is kyoukishin karate full contact but that not?

[GLW]

Just for some clarification:

To my knowledge, one of if not the first time Continuous Sparring was done was way back in 1986 or 1987. It was BEFORE Sanshou came out and was an attempt to do something that was more real but not as big of an insurance nightmare as Full Contact. It was tried first in the Chinese Martial Arts only events pioneered by Jeff Bolt. At that time, No one had seen something that was NOT the old 3 point type of fighting that was so common at Karate events.

As things developed, it was seen as a bridge to get to Sanshou....and then Sanshou pretty much became a beginning and end in itself. On the way to that, somehow the KArate events sort of adopted the idea as well...but kept some of their point fighting ideas...like not allowing strikes to the back and such.

The most recent incarnation of the rules on the Chinese Arts side come from the US Wushu Union. Most Chinese events use some or all of these rules or slight variations thereof. The Sanshou rules are pretty standard as well.

The Continuous Sparring rules are typically as follows :

1. Protocol
a. Starting the Match
1. (1) Each fight will begin with the fighters facing each other approximately 15 feet apart.
2. (2) The fighting will be continuous with no stopping except for clashing, illegal activity, injury or any other reason deemed fit by the judging panel.
b. During the Match
1. (1) A Break will be called by the Referee should any of the following events occur:
1. (a) Head contact that might result in an injury or a call for Warning/Disqualification.
2. (b) A competitor aims for or hits an illegal target.
3. (c) A competitor successfully applies a series of repeated unanswered techniques to the opponent.
4. (d) One or both competitors goes to the floor.
5. (e) When any Judge signals that they have seen a competitor commit a violation.
6. (f) When the Referee needs to stop action to prevent injury.
7. (g) When either or both fighters go out of bounds
2. (2) The Referee will restart the match after a stop in the action in the same way it originally began.
2. Rules
a. Level of Contact
1. Technical Fighting shall be light contact and shall emphasize the control of technique and finesse and not the use of excessive force. (2) Light Contact is defined as contact that causes no bruising or injury to the opponent and does not move the opponent from a stable stance. Contact to the head should not cause the head to whip. (3) Excessive Force is defined as anything that is not light contact. For example: (a) A head strike that results in bleeding, whipping of the head and/or neck, bruising or swelling of the face. (b) Unreasonable force to the body, for example, a kick that moves an opponent from a stable or rooted stance.
b. Legal Contact Areas
1. (1) Torso - front, sides, and rear kidney-area
2. (2) Outside of thighs
3. (3) Outside of shins
4. (4) Entire arm
5. (5) Front and side of head gear
c. Legal Non-Contact Target Areas: Please note that these areas are legal for non-contact techniques only. Any contact to these areas will result in a Warning or Disqualification.
1. (1) Front of face
2. (2) Horizontal strikes across the top of the head gear
d. Legal Techniques
1. (1) Punches
2. (2) Kicks
3. (3) Open hand strikes to body targets only
4. (4) Sweeps to the outside of the opponent's front leg
e. Illegal Target Areas
1. (1) Neck
2. (2) Spine
3. (3) Groin
4. (4) Front, inside or back of legs
5. (5) Knee joint
6. (6) Ankle joint
f. Illegal Techniques
1. (1) Knee strikes
2. (2) Elbow strikes
3. (3) Finger strikes
4. (4) Take-downs or throws
5. (5) Joint locking or breaking attempts
6. (6) Head butts
7. (7) Biting
8. (8) Floor or ground fighting
9. (9) Open hand strikes to the head
10. (10) Sweeps to an opponent's back leg or sweeps that attempt both legs of an opponent
11. (11) Sweeps to inside of the leg
12. (12) Dangerous blind attempts at spinning hand or foot strikes
g. Warnings shall be issued by the Referee for any of the following violations:
1. (1) Execution of any Illegal technique
2. (2) Contact to any illegal or non-contact target area
3. (3) Excessive force (without malice or intent)
4. (4) Failure to break on the call
5. (5) Running out of the ring
6. (6) Exposing an illegal target area
7. (7) Execution of blind techniques
8. (8) Any coaching from the sideline
h. Cautions—A caution shall be issued by any judge or by the Referee for the following violations:
1. (1) Equipment or clothing violations—Equipment not legal or in poor condition, wearing jewelry, spitting out mouth piece, etc. (Note: a competitor who comes to his/her match with improper equipment or clothing will be issued a caution immediately and have one minute to retrieve appropriate equipment/clothing.)
2. (2) Any other action not covered by the rules in which safety is an issue.
3. (3) Two cautions shall equal one warning.
i. Disqualification
1. (1) A competitor shall be disqualified immediately upon accumulation of three Warnings.
2. (2) Execution of a technique that causes the opponent to bleed will also result in Disqualification. Note: bleeding from a self-inflicted wound is not cause for the opponent's disqualification.
3. (3) Competitors who are disqualified in a match shall be considered to have lost that match and shall be entitled to whatever award, seeding, etc. the match loser is entitled.
j. Expulsion
1. (1) Expulsion will result from deliberate or serious violations of the rules, such as:
1. (a) Deliberate excessive force/intent to injure
2. (b) Deliberate targeting of an illegal area, for example: deliberate targeting of face, top of head, back of head, spine, etc.
3. (c) Deliberate violation of any rule
4. (d) Rude or belligerent behavior
5. (e) Use of objectionable or abusive language by a contestant or by his/her coach, schoolmates, etc.
6. (f) Commission of any infraction that would incur a warning that also results in serious injury to the opponent.
2. (2) A competitor can be expelled without having previously received any warnings.
3. (3) Competitors who are expelled will not be awarded any placing, seeding or ranking, nor will they be allowed to continue in the fighting. However, all results to the point of expulsion will remain unchanged
6. Judging Guidelines: Each competitor shall be scored based on demonstration of fighting skills in the following five categories:
a. Attack Skills
1. (1) Accurately aims techniques at target areas without simply "flailing" arms to hit something
2. (2) Begins an attack sequence and changes smoothly/naturally to defense if opponent counters attack
3. (3) Creates openings using combinations of attacks, rather than trying to overcome opponent with a single, forceful technique.
4. (4) Controls speed and power in attacks; does not punch/kick as hard as possible
b. Defense Skills
1. (1) Blocks incoming attacks effectively
2. (2) In addition to blocking, uses footwork and body motion to defend against and evade opponent's attacks
3. (3) Converts blocking/evasion naturally into counter-attacks with techniques aimed at target areas
4. (4) Blocks/counters without endangering self
c. Body Motion
1. (1) Shows naturalness, fluidity, and connectedness in movements
2. (2) Utilizes movement of the entire body (waist and spine) instead of isolated arm/leg strength
3. (3) Shows efficient motion and directed energy; does not appear rushed or overworked; does not "bounce" and "jab" wasting effort
4. (4) Advances and retreats using stable stance and good footwork without losing balance
d. Reaction Skills
1. (1) Reacts to opponent; moves naturally in response to an attack or counter
2. (2) Shows adaptability in application of attack and defense techniques
3. (3) Turns a defensive situation into an attack and vice-versa.
4. (4) Demonstrates ability to capitalize on opponent's weaknesses or mistakes.
e. Overall Impression
1. (1) Uses a variety of footwork, hand/leg techniques, attack combinations, defensive maneuvers and counter-strikes
2. (2) Controls the match through either a variety of successful attacks, or the ability to defend and successfully counter the majority of the opponent's attacks
3. (3) Utilizes the ring area effectively and stays in ring
4. (4) Does not lose composure; shows concentration and calm demeanor
5. (5) Displays obvious elements of a Chinese martial arts style


Which is a lot more open and alive than what the MTV show allows.... No strikes to the back...what is THAT all about.

[Hieronim]

so basically its liek full contact but with more rules and restrictions? Isnt mma like teh street but with more rules/restrictions? or at least thats what the jkd/mma faboys claim when they want to claim how tough they are.

No strikes to the back...what is THAT all about.

do boxers allow strikes to the back or the back of the head/neck area? do muay thai allow shin kicks to the lower back? does muay thai allow judo throws? does muay thai allow slams? why not? heck muay thai allows almost no samdup grappling.

[canglong]

Girl Fight on Oxygen this show is for real highly recommend watching this one.http://www.oxygen.com/

[wushu24]

If this show was on ESPN, I would be disappointed. But it's on MTV2, targeting young teenagers to maybe someone in their early 20's. It's just another reality tv show, with a slight martial flair. Kids who have never had any martial arts experience will enjoy it, and may even sign up at their local school.

It's entertainment, and although the sparring matches kill me, it's better than road rules or some other reality tv show.

[canglong]

Hello Gene,
What no article or even a review of the show Girl Fight man that show was a trillion times better than Final Fu ;)
It seems Master Toddy from Vegas now once a well respected Muy Tai fighter trained female fighters here in the U.S. then took them back to Thailand to fight some female tai fighters and won so now he is on the outs in Thailand. So the show has him now selecting among 7 candidates 3 more women to take back to Thailand to fight again. It was a good show won't spoil the outcome for you though gotta watch it yourself.

[GeneChing]

I'm still open to doing something with them, but for any show like this, anything concerning media publicity, they usually contact us. Haven't heard a peep from Girl Fight. Too bad really, because it does seem a lot more interesting.

And you should see the list of stuff we turn down. Yikes!!!:eek:

[Blacktiger]

I may be slow off the mark here but has anyone seen this tv show on MTV ?

I saw it for the first time on the weekend and could not beleive how bad it was :eek:

Things take a while to filter through to Australia....:D

[Chief Fox]

Yes, there's been a pretty long discussion about it. I'd say pretty much everyone agrees with you. However, it is adictive. It's pretty entertaining.

The best part for me was when that dude Matt got punched in the throat. Pretty funny.

[Blacktiger]

I just could not get past the terrible kicks, I saw one person only kick with their right leg for the entire length of a fight :confused:

The show said some of the participants were 3rd degree taekwondont guys - man what a worry!

I loved the Hung Gar guy who got kicked out for excessive force:D

Who is the host though?

[BruceSteveRoy]

thats ernie reyes jr. former ninja turtle and star of great films such as surf ninjas. he is a tkd guy. but as i have said in the other threads about the show he is the most entertaining part of the show. watch him during the fights. hes like a little philipino leprachaun.

[Yao Sing]

I just could not get past the terrible kicks, I saw one person only kick with their right leg for the entire length of a fight :confused:

Two words - Bill Wallace

[cjurakpt]

Two words - Bill Wallace

the only reason Wallace kicks with one leg is that he blew out his knee and can't bear weight on that side...

[Yao Sing]

the only reason Wallace kicks with one leg is that he blew out his knee and can't bear weight on that side...

And the fighter on Final Fu?

For all we know that person has a disability in one leg too.

[cjurakpt]

so what's your point? you brought up Wallace seemingly in response to the Blacktiger's negtive comment about someone who kicks with only one leg, implying that, if Wallace was doing it, it was a strategically sound approach; however, now that it gets pointed out that the only reason Wallace does it is because of a physical limitation, you try to flip it around and suggest the Final Fu guy was doing it because he was injured as well? c'mon; nice try through...

the bottom line is that if you go to a "point style" tournament, there is a large percentage of competitors who do the exact same thing: use that lead leg "flickey" kicking style, because it's what's the most effective thing to do in that type of competition, which is pretty much what they did in FF (except no head contact at all, which was totally lame, because even in point style, in the BB divisions there's contact allowed to the head)

[Yao Sing]

???
You sound like you're itching for an argument.

I'm well aware of Wallace's bad leg. I brought it up because you can't fault someone for lack of skill (yes the comment was a response to Blacktiger's negative comment) without knowing the reasons. One leg worked just fine for Wallace so why is it such a bad thing.

I've seen a guy with one arm do some bad a$$ kung fu. Does having only one arm mean he can't be any good? Get real.

So that's my point. I'm not flipping anything around. You seem to be trying to make a problem where there is none.

Using two legs doesn't necessarily make you any better. Wallace beat guys that used two legs.

[cjurakpt]

the fact is, Wallace has an injury and he trained specifically to overcome it; so, true, he is an excelent example of how a "limitation" does not necessarilly decrease one's ability to fight well; he is, no argument, a great fighter and certainly dispatched many "two legged" opponents; similarly, your one-armed friend is apparantly another example of someone who overcame a deficit and fights sucessfully; but the point was never about how someone with a disability can't be better than someone without one...

let just say that I suspect Mister FF does not have any such an injury - I think he does it on purpose because in the type of point-style fighting he seems to do, that's an effective strategy; that's why I don't think using Wallace as an example to justify his one-leged style is appropriate; and as far as skill, Wallace fought full-contact and won; this guy was competing in one of the most pansied types of "fighting" I have ever seen, where guys would do ridiculous things and still win, things which if they did in a street fight or MMA comp or San Da ring would get them killed

BTW, I'm sorry if you feel that disagreeing with you means I'm "itching" for an argument and that I'm trying to create a problem; I just see Wallace as operating in a very different context, hence my disagreement with using him as a comparative example; it also seemed to me you switched gears mid-argument when an extra piece of info was presented; if I was wrong, then I'm wrong, no biggie

[5Animals1Path]

Every guy who landed a solid hit got kicked off. I watched the one where the guy got punched in the throat with a training buddy, and we were both laughing hysterically by the end of the show.

"He really should learn how to control himself. Martial Arts isn't about killing your opponent. He should have more skill then that." -Paraphased.


That one really got us going. What about having enough skill not to leave your neck wide the heck open and just shoving hands at your opponent to see who can tag each other more? The sparring I did as a 5th grade yellow belt stripe in Shotokan was more skillfull and brutal then this.

And don't even get me started on the commentary from the guys before and after. Oi.

[Blacktiger]

I was crying and laughing all at the same time :)

Did anyone see the guy who broke into Drunken then Monkey style ?

[Shaolin]

http://www.wirecrack.com/media/1152575665/Break_Dancing_Maniacs

[Design Sifu]

nice . . .

[5Animals1Path]

Mega-burn.

[brothernumber9]

HOLY SHNIKEES!! That was insane! This dude needs to be in a movie. I haven't seen a lot, but that was some of the most impressive spinning stuff I've ever seen! The windmill-ish thing off the elbows was bazilly! **** I wish I could do all that!

[Faruq]

All I got was a green video box with sound.