Old Boy

[jethro]

Created this thread for you dwid. Haven't seen audition but this sounds right up your alley. Way better than deadly outlaw, btu sick. Well, I don't want to exactyl dwell on. Has anybody seen it, I am hoping not to have to talk about it but will if need be:(

[Shaolinlueb]

this movie is ****ed up.

[jethro]

now that is an understatement. I understand you not wanting to talk about it, btu good freaking acting didn't ya think. Good cinematography. Great music. But then everything changes in the second half, the music even changes. So at the end, he confronts that one guy, and, oh god, I I I just can't talk about it.

[Shaolinlueb]

yeah it was awesome. even the fight scenes were pretty bad ass. everytyhing was good about it. but the story man. oh goodness. lol

[jethro]

. lol

Not exactly what I was thinking:(

[Shaolinlueb]

Not exactly what I was thinking:(

yeah oh goodness. the story was good, then you found out at the end. thats ****ed!!!

[doug maverick]

this film freaked me out so bad! i couldn't watch another movie for a week, i just wanted to stay in my room and crawl into a ball.

[GeneChing]

Old Boy was messed up. That hallway fight was great - a single extended shot, beautifully choreographed, and I loved the dotted line with the hammer. But Old Boy was eye rape, that's for sure. I should have known when he ate the live octopus that things weren't going to turn out well. :eek:

[Shaolinlueb]

it was supposedly out here in the usa. i dont get foriegn movies on limited release in my area. imagine what all the people throught in the thearter!!

that hallway fight scene was awesome!!!

[dwid]

Well, I just put it at the top of my netflix Queue... can't wait to check it out. I love that it's part of a "revenge trilogy." I love revenge movies.

[jethro]

I should have known when he ate the live octopus that things weren't going to turn out well. :eek:


Exactly!:eek:

[jethro]

I love revenge movies.


Not your average revenge movie.

[jethro]

this film freaked me out so bad! i couldn't watch another movie for a week, i just wanted to stay in my room and crawl into a ball.

I am still scared to go out of the house. :(

[Shaolinlueb]

im jsut gonna make sure i dont witness anything bad!!!

[doug maverick]

i'll just make sure if i witness something bad i'm not going to tell my best friend with the big mouth!!!!!!!!

[SanSoo Student]

I like the parts when he was in the room, smiling...that grin was chilling.

[GeneChing]

We should let those who haven't seen OLD BOY know that it was shown at Cannes and was very well received. (http://www.festival-cannes.fr/films/fiche_film.php?langue=6002&partie=video&id_film=4182985&cmedia=5627) :cool:

[dwid]

Just got through watching it.

Awesome.

Not your typical revenge flick, and all the better for it. It takes the genre and your expectations and then totally mindf@cks you.

Awesome.

[Shaolinlueb]

awesome werent the words i was thinking when i got done watching it, but more power to you man. :D

[dwid]

Just got through watching the second movie in the trilogy, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. It was also quite good, but not as good IMHO as Oldboy. It was certainly less of an "eye rape." The pacing was kind of similar, with most of the really crazy stuff happening in the last half. The story is also quite twisted, just not as twisted as Oldboy.

Thematically, I can see how they relate. Apparently, revenge is messy and maybe futile.

Some really intense action, with a couple of moments that are borderline sickening.

I can't wait to see the third installment.:D


Ooops, I just checked and now realize I got the release dates mixed up, as Oldboy was second and Sympathy was first. That makes more sense, as I had felt after watching that Oldboy was, to me, evidence of more refined directing. There's some interesting ways some of the scenes are shot in Sympathy, but in Oldboy, the way many of the scenes were shot seemed to better capture a feeling, if that makes any sense.

[Su Lin]

Going back to Audition again, the noises that woman made near the end, whilst doing what she was doing to the man (really trying to be vague so that people who haven;t seen it don't find out the end!) , it was horrific! I tried covering my eyes, then my ears, then had to leave the room, but could STILL hear the noises. And I still hear those noises...
Great film, but the noises, the noises......:eek:
Oldboy, also made me feel quite sick, but was great. Not seen Lady Vengeance yet, but hoping to see it soon.

[jethro]

Please answer a question(sorry im drunk)


What is scarier, audition or oldboy and does audition have fight scenes.

[jethro]

Please answer a question(sorry im drunk)


What is scarier, audition or oldboy and does audition have fight scenes.


I have to admit, I am pretty scared to ever watch an "asian extreme " movie again.

[Su Lin]

Mmmm, I think Audition is maybe more psychologically scary, although Oldboy manages that too. Audition doesn't have any fight scenes , but is very chilling IMO .
THe scene where Oldboy is picking everyone off near the lift is awesome:eek:

[jethro]

I loved the story and choreography in Oldboy. The movie was stunning. but it just got a little too odd at the end for me.:eek:

And wtf was going on with that guy at the end who is just throwing him around? If that was a real person, as it actually looked like, a stuntman was probably killed.

[Su Lin]

It was great!Really bizarre story, that I kind of guessed might happen when watching, ut was really hoping it wasnt going to happen! Has anyone seen the sequel to Ong Bak? Saw it the other week, it was really quite impressive, but not entirely sure what I thought:confused:

[jethro]

is that the "tom yum goong????" movie. It looks inceredibly stupid and good, is it the one where he takes down everyone and then he fights that FUHKING SWEET capoira stylist?

[Su Lin]

yep ,thats the one. It has a lot to do with elephants! There is a capoeira guy he fights who is quite impressive.Basically it's kind of one long fight with the odd bit of dialogue thrown in! Think its the kind of film that will look fantastic on the big screen.

[jethro]

hope that it comes here!

[Su Lin]

It'll probably be out on dvd before too long! Not sure if there are any trailers online yet?

[GeneChing]

We discussed Tom Yum Goong on a thread here a long time ago.... (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39718)

Funny you should mention that on this thread. I was thinking that Old Boy and Tom Yum Goong were both recent films that had long, one-shot fight scenes. The hallway fight in Old Boy and the going-up-the-staircase fight in Tom Yum Goong were both brilliantly choreographed. The longer the shot, the more respect I have for the choreographer. It's really hard to sustain a long fight like that.

[Su Lin]

Good point! Both scenes are awesome in terms of choreography how hard must it be to keep the shot giong and to continue fighting like that! :D

[jethro]

Of the top of my head, for good non cut extended fight scenes, you should check out "Ninja in the Dragon's Den" . Sanada and Conan Lee have 2 spectacular 1 on 1 battles. The first is unique, the second is breathtaking.

Is Sanada a monkey turned human? I think he is and they gave him the facial features from that kid in Seven Samurai.

[Su Lin]

Ah ha! Had forgotten about that one- on the side of the building. That was a great film too!

[jethro]

Ah ha! Had forgotten about that one- on the side of the building. That was a great film too!
i Love You

[Su Lin]

aaaw, thank you! It's nice to see some love being spread on these forums! :p

[IronWeasel]

Where the guy fights everyone in that narrow hallway, with the elevator at the end?

There's that torture scene with the hammer and the teeth?

I hope that's not too obscure, but I'm rackin' my brain...


Thanks in advance

[banditshaw]

Oldboy.

great film.

[IronWeasel]

Oldboy.

great film.



THANK you!!!!!


It was on the tip of my brain all day!

[doug maverick]

justin lin is slated remake this movie, although its been taken off his imdb, so he may not be.

[GeneChing]

I found this on some peripheral research on Smith's Karate Kid remake (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48261).

Spielberg, Smith in talks for 'Oldboy' (http://www.variety.com/VR1117995429.html)
Pair may kidnap remake of Korean drama
By MICHAEL FLEMING

Steven Spielberg and Will Smith are in early discussions to collaborate on a remake of Chan Wook-park's "Oldboy." DreamWorks is in the process of securing the remake rights, and the new pic will be distributed by Universal.

In the 2003 Korean original, a man gets kidnapped and held in a shabby cell for 15 years without explanation. Suddenly, he's released and given money, a cell phone and clothes and is set on a path to discover who destroyed his life so he can take revenge.

Spielberg had been looking for an opportunity to make a film with Smith, who would play the kidnapped man if all the pieces fall into place. Spielberg is looking for a writer to begin the development process.

The film was originally set at U and then found its way to Mandate.

Spielberg is next expected to direct "Tintin."

[GeneChing]

I don't think he has the chops for that amazing hammer fight scene. Who is going to play the girl? I'd watch it just to see Smith eat octopus...
Will Smith and scribe reunite for Asian remake
By Jay A. Fernandez and Steven Zeitchik Jay A. Fernandez And Steven Zeitchik – Wed Nov 19, 4:52 am ET

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) – Nothing brings people together like $584 million in worldwide revenue.

In a potential high-profile star-writer reunion, "I Am Legend" co-scribe Mark Protosevich is in early talks to pen the remake of "Old Boy," which "Legend" star Will Smith is developing with director Steven Spielberg.

DreamWorks is in the process of securing the remake rights to the 2003 Korean film about a man's mysterious kidnapping, 15-year imprisonment and feverish quest for revenge upon being released.

A slew of Asian remakes have found their way into American theaters and onto development slates in the past few years. Screenwriter William Monahan won the best adapted screenplay Oscar in 2007 for translating the Hong Kong thriller "Infernal Affairs" into the best picture winner "The Departed."

Protosevich also has written "Poseidon" and "The Cell," and he worked on "Thor" for Marvel Studios.

[doug maverick]

we're usually eye to eye on these things. but i think will smith will do an amazing job on this film, i mean after seeing films like persuit of happiness, ali, and his most recent 7 pounds(at a private screening) i would say not only does he have the chops for this but i predict that he will get the oscar he has been chasing after. i mean steven speilberg directing smith starring, you know its gonna be a mega block buster, but i think the film is gonna also be critically aclaimed. this film has the greatest twist i've seen in any film that has come out in the last 50 years hands down, and the vast majority has not seen it and will be shocked as **** when they do. can't wait, i love remakes when the greats direct them. like marty when he did the departed that **** i loved, still one of my favorite films.

[GeneChing]

...anyone here know the comic? I only know the film.
Will Smith Says Oldboy Won’t be Adaptation of Chan-wook Park’s Film (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/exclusive-will-smith-talks-oldboy.php)

Posted by Brian C. Gibson (brian@filmschoolrejects.com) on November 21, 2008

I just came home from a red carpet premier of Will Smith’s film Seven Pounds. The star is on a tour of premiers promoting the film which is starting to create some major Oscar buzz for the already twice-nominated superstar. I’ll have a full red carpet report later, but first, I was able to stop Smith for a few questions, and a couple laughs. One of the hottest topics for me is Smith’s involvement in Steven Spielberg’s acquisition of the rights for Oldboy, and the actor didn’t disappoint on the news front.

We reported on this news almost two weeks ago, but there is a big development from what the star was able to tell me. Fans have already made themselves heard about their distaste for Oldboy being remade and Smith being the man rumored to take the lead. Well, we heard it straight from the star’s mouth that he is definitely starring in Steven Spielberg’s Oldboy…with a twist. Smith wanted to make a very strong point that this is not an adaptation of Chan-wook Park’s 2003 film. So what is it an adaptation of?

We’re looking at that right now. Not the film though, it’s the original source material. There’s the original comics of ‘Oldboy’ that they made the first film from. And that’s what we’re working from, not an adaptation of the film…,” said Smith.

Apparently Spielberg wasn’t acquiring the rights to the film Oldboy, he was acquiring the rights to the original source material of the graphic novel ‘Oldboy.’ I guess the next question would be - what does this mean? This means that fans can rest a bit easier knowing that no one is trying to make a better Oldboy for an American audience. This means that Spielberg is free to truly adapt the source material and not try and copycat the brilliance of Park’s masterpiece. This also means that it will likely be an entirely different film, however, but the graphic novel is still very close to Park’s movie. So stay tuned as more details come in.

[banditshaw]

this film has the greatest twist i've seen in any film that has come out in the last 50 years hands down, and the vast majority has not seen it and will be shocked as **** when they do. can't wait, i love remakes when the greats direct them. like marty when he did the departed that **** i loved, still one of my favorite films.

Who says they won't change that twist....I think they will to be honest. If they don't great.
I personally think this film doesn't need to be remade.

[doug maverick]

they wont cause thats what makes the movie thats what the whole thing is about.

[banditshaw]

I hope so Doug. I guess we will wait and see.

[doug maverick]

in all honesty without that twist there is no movie really. that twist ****ing made the movie what it was. it blew you away and turned you inside out and put you back togather again. and then blew you away one more time when he got himself hypnotyzed to stay with her. it was bananna's cause then u gotta think did she open the box? and if she did , then she would be sick now wouldnt she. also (SPOILER ALERT IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW STOP READING THIS NOW) it makes you even more warped when you realize he took his own daughters virginity.

[banditshaw]

Dude, I know. It gave me the willies during the film, days after and now once again after you mentioning it.

I love the film because it takes you through so many ups and downs and curves. It's a total mindphuck of a film.

[Jimbo]

When I first saw this movie years ago, I thought the twist at the end was really ballsy and unexpected, but it didn't freak me out. However, Oldboy is a real masterpiece in execution. I suppose the only thing to do is wait and see, but I can't imagine a remake being as good. In fact, I would be shocked if Will Smith played a character who suffers the plot twist that Oh Dae-Su did at the end. This would seem to be almost off-limits in a major American movie, esp. one starring Will Smith. I can imagine the plot twist being softened or changed entirely in an American remake.

[GeneChing]

I just realized that Old Boy is the only Park Chan-wook flick I've seen. Can anyone recommend any of his other works?

Quentin Tarantino urged PARK Chan-wook to try Hollywood (http://www.koreanfilm.or.kr/KOFIC/Channel?task=kofic.user.eng.b_filmnews.command.New sView1Cmd&searchPage=1&Gesipan_SCD=1&Gesimul_SNO=1153)

According to major U.S. agency William Morris, PARK Chan-wook was advised by Quentin Tarantino to come to Hollywood to direct films. William Morris representatives also disclosed that they are in the process of finding a project which can interest PARK.

PARK’s definite international breakthrough was his critically acclaimed Old Boy, which was awarded the Grand Prix at the 2004 Festival de Cannes by a jury headed by Quentin Tarantino.

William Morris agency was present at the 2008 Korea-U.S. business campus held by Korean Film Council. William Morris agency is a leading U.S. agency who manages major stars in cinema, music, and sports.

[doug maverick]

oldboy is part of chan woo parks vengeance "trilogy", its not a trilogy in a way that lord of the rings is a trilogy, but a trilogy in the way that all three films have revenge as its underlying theme sorta like , mean streets, goodfellas, and casino are considered scoresesse's Mob "trilogy", the other two films are sympathy for mr. vengeance and sympathy for lady vengeance, both good films in their own right. check 'em out.

[GeneChing]

...which do you like better, Mr. or Lady? Most of my friends say Lady.

[doug maverick]

im torn between the two but i've watched lady a few more times then mr. so maybe i gotta go with that one.but both are worth watching.

[GeneChing]

Thank goodness.
Exclusive: Will Smith & Steven Spielberg’s Old Boy DEAD! (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-will-smith-steven-spielberg-s-old-boy-dead-8502)
By Kellvin Chavez on November 09, 2009

Late Breaking News…

This just in…

You know that OLDBOY remake…well it wasn’t really a remake, anyway (which is a terrible idea by the way) Steven Spielberg and Will Smith were suppose to do a film that was based on the Japanese manga by Nobuaki Minegishi and Garon Tsuchiya and NOT FROM THE ORIGINAL FILM.

At the time DreamWorks was in the process of securing the rights along with MANDATE, until NOW.

According to a trusted source…

…It’s DEAD!

Mandate and DreamWorks didn’t see eye to eye therefore DreamWorks has apparently walked away.

No Spielberg.

No Will Smith.

THEY’RE OUT!

Hence no stateside Oldboy remake…or whatever you want to call it.

Stay tuned as more develops.

You guys should be hearing something in the trades soon.

[doug maverick]

ohew that was a close one...didnt want to see a crappy watered down oldboy...dont get me wrong speilberg is a master but he wouldnt want to explore incest in a "blockbuster".

[Jimbo]

That is outstanding news. Sure, if they made a remake I could simply opt to not see it, but IMO it would have been a slap in the face to the original. Spielberg may be great; Smith may be great; but there are just some things they aren't up to doing and would be best to leave alone. Oldboy is one of those things.

As far as the other two movies in Park's 'Vengeance Trilogy', between Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance and Lady Vengeance, I actually preferred Mr. Vengeance. They're both good, dark films, but I liked its pacing a bit better. Though I felt neither one of them holds a candle to Oldboy.

[KTS]

absolutely crazy movie. but i like those. as u can tell im a takashi miike fan.

i am really sick of watered down hollywood remakes of good films. i'm sure many of you guys are too if you watch films by miike or chan-wook park.

that new ninja flick has my interest a bit though.

[KTS]

and not to get off-topic, but, anybody every caught Survive Style 5+ ?


if not, i wholly reccommend it to anyone. it is one of the few movies that i basically Need to buy but haven't yet.


its a definite masterpeice. a few really nice action scenes as well. overall, a movie that u wouldnt forget after a month.