Has anyone film footage of.....

[Internal Boxer]

Chan hak Fu & Wu gong yi

Does anyone know what went on between these two and what was the fight like. What exactly was it about?

Anyone got footage of the film?

[moslem boxer]

Greetings!
If you're referring to the fight between Wu Kwong Yi and the White Crane Boxer, yes I have footage of it.
It is reported that 1954 the newspapers in Hong Kong started a controversy about Tai Chi Chuan being effective as a martial art. Claims were made and challenges were issued. Wu Kwong Yi agreed to fight only if the proceeds would be donated towards charity.

Witnessed by thousands they went at it.Due to the intensity of the fighters after two rounds a vote was taken and it was called a draw.
(IMO)it was not much of a fight, I did'nt see any technique, others may have a different opinion please feel free to share it.
"Verilly when truth arrives all falsehood shall perish"

[This message was edited by moslem boxer on 04-14-01 at 06:13 PM.]

[KrAzy FiLiPino]

Where did you get the film from??? I also heard it wasn't much of a fight but I still would like to see it.

Peace

Daryl

[moslem boxer]

Greetings
The fight is at the beginning of the Wu Style Tai Chi Chuan instructional/demonstrational video, performed by Sifu Wu Kwong Yu ,Great Grandson of G.M Wu Chien Chuan.
I purchased the tape at Wu's Tai Chi Chuan Academy
It's just a few seconds long, the fight does'nt go beyond two rounds and it is'nt shown in it's entirety.

"verilly when truth arrives all falsehood shall perish".

[This message was edited by moslem boxer on 04-14-01 at 09:14 PM.]

[Internal Boxer]

Thanks for the Info Moslem Boxer. I suppose I am going to have to do a lot more searching to find the complete footage of the fight.

Cheers mate.

[GT]

I heard that Chan Hak Fu went on to be a film star in the Hong Kong kung fu flicks. The film footage of the fight is supposed to be at the beginning of one of his films. Could be worth investigating. I would personally like to find out because Tung Ying Chieh did a demo before the fight and was apparently on this footage at the beginning of the movie as well.

[Rory]

I have seen the fight the white crane guy got beat up bad One of the rules was no kicking but the white crane guy broke that rule but he missed wu gong yi. Every time the white crane guy came near Wu gong yi punch him and the white crane guy would like run away finally wu gong yi used the grasping birds tale and broke his nose.

[walkthecircle]

where did you see it and how can i get a copy?

[WuMan]

Wasnt there someone selling or trading the video of this fight awhiel ago?

[Rory]

Wu gong yi's son has an instructional video and in the begining it has the fight. theres pics of the fight and you can buy it at www.wustyle.com (http://www.wustyle.com)

[BAI HE]

Is it the entire fight? I've heard the Wu edited the film unfairly.

[walkthecircle]

there's a couple of tapes...which one?

and is it the ENTIRE fight?

[BAI HE]

I'm working on finding the complete fight tape.
One of the former students of my Kwoon borrowed it and they haven't seen it for a while.

One of the assistant instructors told me the wu did edit it unfairly. The first kick was thrown by wu gong yi in round one.

In the second round (not on the Wu tape) Chan hak fu starts landing some big shots, sending Wu nearly through the ropes.

I think the former student is back from college and now that I've reminded my brothers they're trying to get the tape back.

I will dupe it as soon as I can get my hands on it.

Peace.

[unclaimed effort]

That sounds like an interesting match. How did they find an opponent for Wu Gong Yi?

When you win a fight, who do you think feels worse, you or your opponent?

[BAI HE]

Supposedly the local press ran sidelines about Chinese Boxing. They questioned the combat effectiveness of tai chi chuan and both combatants got quoted (or mis-quoted) and wound up in the ring. It was more of a press event. It was billed as a charity match, though neither combatant was very charitable.
To this point I've only seen the edited version. Which consists of a 5 second brawl.

Chan Hak Fu was game, at only 32 he got in the ring with a legendary figure. This is the equivalent of capable, yet unproven boxer, taking on Mike Tyson. Wu looked incredibly confident at the outset, while Chan supposedly did his damage later when he realised the fabled Wu was just another man.

As to your other question, I can't really say. I've felt as bad about beating someone as I have about losing. Be it a tournament, sports or an actual encounter.

At the age of 31, if I never had an actual fight
again it would be too soon. Luckily the "street fights" I've had were rather breif , withthe exception of one. I also have the benefit of living in a state where gun control laws are strict. I can't imagine dusting it up with someone, say from New Orleans where every on packs
a peice.

That's where I'm at now.

[Dragon D]

I've seen the fight and the white crane fighter gets beaten pretty badly. The fight got stopped after two rounds because right of the bat Wu gong yi lands a sqaure punch to the face. The white crane guy reels back and is flailing his hands about because he starts to bleed profusely from the nose. Wu gong yi could've finished him but instead gives the guy a chance to compose himself. The rest of the fight Wu gong yi hits the guy a few times but spends most of the time in an empty defensive stance. The fight is not a spectacular one. The way I heard the story, the white crane people were the ones that edited the fight. The white crane fighter does throw a kick but it doesn't do much. I also heard, do to "politics" the fight was declared a draw so the white crane school would not lose face. I believe the story I heard because if we look at the facts, the fight takes place in Macao, a place that has a rep for producing some very tough white crane fighters. The fight is declared a draw which it clearly was not, and at the end of the fight we see this since Wu gong yi is sitting in his corner breathing a little heavier than normal, and the white crane guy is panting heavily with a towel over his head nursing a bloody nose. I'm not sure about all the "politics" and gossip, especially since I am getting only the Wu side of the story. I can say Wu gong yi won the fight, I saw the condition of the two fighters after the fight on tape.

"Pain is just weakness leaving the body"

[BAI HE]

Is it the edited version?

As far as the WC people editing the fight, it is the WU that sell it on their tapes, not the WC. As a matter of fact if you know of any tapes of WC that are not by Dr. Yang, Jwing Ming or Fukien themed I would appreciate if you could point me to them.

I have been told Wu Gong Yi threw a kick in the first round. (grounds for dis-qualification)
I have no reason to doubt this as of yet.

Go to the WU site. There are only 2 pictures of the fight. Both favoring Wu Gong Yi.

As far as "politics" are concerned, you can barely find any information on WC much less insist that they are disseminating any. I believe the Macao event was due more to the new hotel they put up rather than a strong WC prescence.
The WU had more to lose than the WC. The Tai Chi Chuan crowd was at perpetual odds with the Boxing community. WC really had nothing to prove and are a rather secluded bunch. Hell, my Kwoon is listed as an "Overseas Trading Company." Ourphone is not listed, we do no marketing and my Sifu would be interested to know what and why there is an internet. Had I not stumbled across the sign and navigated many mis-directions, I would have never found the place.

At any rate, I don't share lineage with Master Chan Hak Fu beyond origination, but I admire his courage. I am still impartial to this matter, yet genuinely interested. I will notify you when I obtain the tape. You may be right. Hopefully we'll find out.

No matter what happened in the fight, I wouldn't remotely entertain the thought of giving up on WC, nor should you ever consider giving up your WU tai Chi.
My gong-fu is not Master Chan Hak Fu's, your gung-fu is not Wu Gong Yi's. We have our own paths to walk with the sum of our existences. They found their truths, I hope I find mine.

Regards. Pete.

[Dragon D]

You bring up some interesting points Bai He. I do practice Wu gong yi's form, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that the tape was edited by the Wu people. I don't know if we'll ever be able to find out what really happened. If you do find a tape from another source let me know. I'd like to order it to get some more insight on the fight. If I find anything I'll let you know as well. I don't doubt either fighter's skill, I'd just like to see the full fight. I was also wondering if you know any sites where I can order other full contact kung fu fights. I've been trying (with no success) to find some tournament tapes that have traditional styles competing, not just the usual NHB type stuff.

"Pain is just weakness leaving the body"

[walkthecircle]

Is the Gracie challenge stuff..where they filmed people of various styles coming to their schools.

I've been looking for "traditional" kungfu fights also. No luck over the past 6 months.

Tawain use to have them a LOT! I know CC Chen (the tai chi master) was in many of these tournaments.

Please post if you find anything.

[Rolling Elbow]

I wanna see this Gracy footage of them taking on other people challening..is their a link to clips or something?

Where are the two pictures on teh WU site?

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[BAI HE]

www.wustyle.com (http://www.wustyle.com)

[Rory]

You obviously didnt watch the tape the white crane guy got beaten horribly. theres pics showing the white crane guy bleeding every were in the new wu style book. Wu gong yi never kicked it was against the rules. the white crane guy would have kick wu gong yi but when he tried wu gong yi would just take a step back and the white crane guy missed. in the end wu gong yi used grasping birds tail and smashed the guys nose It was more than just breaking it he like smashed it into the guys face. look in the new wu style book and see for yourself and dont post thing inless you know for sure. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[les paul]

Tempers always flair over the "Macao" fight. Many people say it was a sloppy fight with little technique involved. They seemed to be saying this as if it's a slam against "Wu style" Taijiquan.


However.....


I think both men probably came thinking the fight was going to be an exhibition of sort. (the stories I've heard support this) Then it somehow blew up into a full fledge fight in front of thousands. I've seen a couple of full fledge brawls in my day and all of them were sloppy by anyone's account. The real thing(a fight) isn't pretty, now matter how much technique someone has. It's not a sport!!! It's not Hollywood!!! It's reality!"

I think "Wu style" Taijiquan gained from the incident. It proved that a man in his fifties using taijiquan could defend himself against a man who was using White Crane Boxing and who was twenty years younger.

Then when you factor in the fight was actually started over claims that "Wu style" Taijiquan wasn't a "real martial art." "Makes you giggle a little, doesn't it?"


The Underdog won.


Isn't this really why the fight is so famous?

The real question is: Was "Wu Gong Yi" really ever the underdog?

To me it's the age difference that's the most important fact, plus if we included Wu Gong Yi did most of the ass kickin, what else is there left to say?

After it was all over I bet the White Crane guy felt like a man with only one leg in an ass kickin contest!!!!

Any Wu style taijiquan practioner can stand proudly by the Macao fight.

enouph said.


AND


No, I don't practice Taijiquan!

Paul
Michigan

[walkthecircle]

If you're looking to find High level kung fu or even people who know more than kick boxing with kung fu forms save your money.

The amazing part was the humblness of the BJJ school...and they gave the other MAs time to regroup and try again to show how it was not luck. What you'll see is the same result ovder and over and over again. If you fight the same way they expect you to "as a kick boxer" you'll see the same results.

One challenge was pretty sad...heart breaking...watching a vetern of some Korean style get wooped over and over and over again. He couldn't believe it. Just seeing his tools become non effective when the distance is closed. Unlike Kung fu where the close distance is encouraged and inside fighting is constantly drilled and internal blows can be given at point blank.

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[BAI HE]

I suppose my brother lied to me about Wu kicking first. That would make alot of sense.
I doesn't sound like you've seen the WHOLE fight.

I don't care what you think. When I get the tape I will circulate it. You can stick your new WU book where the sun doesn't shine and I'll post what I want when I want.
Fair?

You don't need to get rude pal. Like I said "these are things I have heard."

I'm here to exchange information and gather information. Until I see the WHOLE fight that's that. Now if your nice I will send you a copy when we find it.

[Rolling Elbow]

Do people always try to kick against BJJ ers? It has got to be the stupidest thing to do in the world..open up with a kick, you go down. That simple.

Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..

[BAI HE]

Underdog? There's a giggle. The guy was the heir designate of the WU style. Chan Hak Fu was not the head of the White Crane School as the Wu advertise.

50 huh? Over the hill? Ed Parker, Mas Oyama, Tony Anessi, that group of 50ish guys would probably destroy anyone.

Effectiveness? The was a dispute between Chinese Boxers and Tai Chi Chuan practitioners. There was some bad blood there. Read "Chinese Boxing, masters and methods" by Robert Smith. One Sifu stops teaching Mr. Smith when he finds out that Smith trains with Chen of the Chen school of Tai Chi.

I have no doubts about the press pushing these guys into the ring.
What I don't understand is why Chan Hak Fu would fight on this point. The internal set Mee li Jum "cotton needle" is at the core of Bak Hok and very much resembles the movements of Yang style Tai Chi (cloud hands, single whip etc.)

As far as pictures of a broken nose, big deal.
I've had my nose broken. You're stunned for a second and that's that. I doesn't really hurt unless it gets repeatedly struck.

As far as Bak Hok trying to turn the tables with mis-information, there's your giggle Spanky.
Our art is nearly extinct (not Fukien!). Outside of my Kwoon and one similar in NYC, tell me where can I find a true Bak Hok Kwoon? You can't.
Not enough people want to learn Bak Hok. The forms are too long and too hard. The system is huge in it's entirety.

At any rate, it's the WU who continually market the fight with the broken nose pictures and edited footage, not Bak Hok Pai.

I'll keep my panties out of a wad when you get the sand out of your *****.

I don't study Wu either, but what I study stresses the internal to maximize the growth in internal. I would love to train WU style as well, I had an earlier post about "Can anyone recommend any Tai Chi tapes or books". I'm so hooked on the internal that I'd like to supplement and expand my traiining in that area.

Regards. Pete.

[Zhin]

That would be Mah Yue Liang.

[BAI HE]

I learned something already. I thought Wu Gong Yi inherited the style.

[les paul]

I'm at a loss on how to reply to your post.

It appears that you really have got your panties in a wad after all.

[Zhin]

Practitioners of "southern" wu like to hold up the fact that Wu Gong Yi was Wu Jien Quan's son, to give that impression. Personally, I've never really seen it be a "major" issue, except at www.wustyle.com (http://www.wustyle.com) which is southern wu.

[Rory]

wu jein chaun had several people he taught some taught alot of people (ma yeugh- liang sorry if spelled wrong, wu gong yi, wu kung jo etc) others only taught a few people the system ma was probaly the most popular of the masters.

[Zhin]

Yes, but Ma is the person that Wu Jien Quan specifically designated as his heir, at least to my understanding.