Crap like this gives Tai Chi / CMA a bad rep

[firepalm]

http://media.putfile.com/Ling-Kong-Jin

Flame on... :eek:

[Three Harmonies]

YOU MEAN YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS????????????????????????????????
Well for a small nominal fee of $50,000 I can teach you ;)
















Said. Really, really, really sad!
Jake :o

[imperialtaichi]

Hmmm, pretty interesting....

I have experienced some really unusual stuff before, but nothing like this.

Something is happening there, I don't think it is purely an act.

But is it:
1. This guy has some real super human skills; or
2. The students are psychologically conditioned to behave in a certain way (I have seen a psychologist talking to a random person and end up convincing him that his hand is stuck to the window and this guy really couldn't pull his hand off the window!); or
3. The students have been practicing wrong and suffer from Qi injuries. The way they lose control and jump around like a monkey does suggest some sort of Qi/motor neuron/brain stem damage.

I would like to keep an open mind and meet him and test it out if I can, in a totally unbiased and analytical manner. After all, if I dismiss a phenomenon without personally experiencing it, it would be unscientific (like Pythagarus drowning the guy who discovered square root of 2 does not fit into Pythagarus' theories). There are many many things out there that we cannot explain yet.

Cheers,
John

[Three Harmonies]

Dude. He has ****. Save your money and meet someone with some actual skill.
Jake

[yangyang]

That's Peter Young. He has been doing martial arts his entire life. I'm not his student and don't know much about him, but I do know that he knows a lot of martial art and won some tournaments I think. I think he may have some skill in this area, but his students may be suffering from the "over reaction" thing. Students love to make their master look special. At the same time, I believe there is something there quite possibly.

[WOW]

That's Peter Young. He has been doing martial arts his entire life. I'm not his student and don't know much about him, but I do know that he knows a lot of martial art and won some tournaments I think. I think he may have some skill in this area, but his students may be suffering from the "over reaction" thing. Students love to make their master look special. At the same time, I believe there is something there quite possibly.

lol! it was entertaining in a bad way! lol :D :D

You mean the guy in red robe is PY, he must generate a force field around himself, some of his students just bounce off him without even physical contact!

[Buddy]

A fool and his money are some party.

[PHILBERT]

Anyone remember in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, when the monster would shoot lasers out of his eyes and it would always explode 5 times, once on the ground in front of each Ranger, and the Ranger would do a flying somersault backwards landing on their back as if they were somehow hit by the attack, even though the explosion obviously occured in front of them and they weren't directly being struck?

This video is kind of like that.

Minus the crappy pyrotechnics.

And no hot pink/yellow Ranger.

[imperialtaichi]

Dude. He has ****. Save your money and meet someone with some actual skill.
Jake



Point taken.

As I say, I wouldn't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt. But NO WAY he is going to get a cent out of me :eek:

I have met quite a number of people who can do weird and wonderful things on their students, yet refuse to try them on me? The usual excuse includes "your Qi is not strong enough, I don't want to hurt you" or "I don't normally demonstrate this because I want to preserve my Qi."

Of course, there are also many masters who are more than willing to show me and share their knowledge, while sending me flying or giving me bruises. And I am grateful to them. :)

What's your experiences? Any else wants to comment?

Cheers,
John

[hung-le]

There is nothing real…legit or factual in this video. The guy is a fraud, a buffoon…and a huckster. He is making idiots of anyone who associates with him or believes this stuff could be real.


And quite frankly, I am amazed that some here “in today’s information age” would entertain the notion that this crap could be real.


This is the kind of junk people would have been exposed to in the mid 1970’s when IMA’s where relatively unknown and only a few legit people in the west were teaching them.



Reminds me of the time I went to a pressure point seminar…crap C…R….A….P! all of it!. They were pretending to knock people out behind sheet walls etc… I stood up and asked for a demonstration and when it didn’t work. ( they then tried a knock out strike aimed under my jaw…..The blow hurt…. but hardly would or could…. knock me out if I was enraged and intent on doing someone serious harm) They informed me that some of the points don’t work on some…some points work on others…

(I forget the phrase they said but it amounted to something like that…

“It’s called a glass jaw” I retorted … being quite ticked that I was being conned…


Then they told me they didn’t and wouldn’t strike me in the serious locations reserved for lethality, so I asked where would these locations be? They pointed to the throat, underneath the armpit etc…(I informed them that areas where the human anatomy is not designed to suffer physical damage is hardly a secret. And an idiot knows if punches someone in the throat it could mess them up)

I told them to give me my money back right in front of everyone attending, I was led to a back room given my money and I left…


Hucksters and charlatans …snake oil…and golden elixirs

[yangyang]

No doubt about it, the sudents are way over-reacting and the teacher just wants to look good in public. The problem is, what do you say when a teacher can do some wierd things like this (or similiar) to his students, but can also send a non-student on his ass using his "real" skill? Would he still be a fraud? I'm not specifically talking about Peter Young mind you. Just asking.

[Paul T England]

Hi all,

Yes this is very funny and sad because he is a teacher in my home town. He teaches everything and has training in a small number of the arts I think. I would be interested to find out what students of Bo Sim Mark or Wai Lun Choi think as he had connections with these and many famous masters back in the 90's.

I know several people who trained with him back in the 70's and he just used to beat his guys up as far as I have been told....now its he is enlightened and a supreme master......

Paul

[yangyang]

Hi all,

Yes this is very funny and sad because he is a teacher in my home town. He teaches everything and has training in a small number of the arts I think. I would be interested to find out what students of Bo Sim Mark or Wai Lun Choi think as he had connections with these and many famous masters back in the 90's.

I know several people who trained with him back in the 70's and he just used to beat his guys up as far as I have been told....now its he is enlightened and a supreme master......

Paul

Bow Sim Mark is Wushu all the way; no martial at all. Maybe that might tell you something.

[Francesco]

Yeah, I remember reading a story that he had his bud kicked by Sifu Docherty from U.K.. It was somewhere on the internet but I do not seem to find it anymore.

Does anybody?

Cheers,

Francesco

[Francesco]

Yeah, I remember reading a story that he had his bud kicked by Sifu Docherty from U.K.. It was somewhere on the internet but I do not seem to find it anymore.


I meant Peter Young!

[Brad]

As I say, I wouldn't mind giving him the benefit of the doubt. But NO WAY he is going to get a cent out of me
I'm sure quite a few people say the same thing about you after viewing the stuff you put on your website...

Bow Sim Mark is Wushu all the way; no martial at all. Maybe that might tell you something.
You're mistaken. I don't know what she teaches publically or how she teaches now (I've never visited her school), but I do know she knows quite a bit of traditional martial arts. Do a search on Fu familly Bagua Zhang or Taiji Quan.

[jon]

I cant comment on his 'ling kong jing' due to never having touched the guy, still his students are clearly hamming up the action in those clips.

However...


I have seen many clips of Peter Young and some from before he began to demo this sort of thing. It has to be said the man has some very obvious skill in martial arts. He moves very fluently and i have seen him do standard application work (in contact with the opponent), he clearly has good control over himself and his opponent. He does however seem to teach a 'very' large curriculum which is something im not a huge fan of. So at least in my opinion Peter Young has something, i just dont know if its capable of smacking you from accross the room.

Having said that...
"If you meet Buddha on your path, kill him"

[Scott R. Brown]

If he really wants to demonstrate how impressive he is then he needs to propose an open invitation to be attacked anywhere, anytime, by any means! That would clearly demonstrate his ability. Anyone can put on a good show with their own students as the dummies whether they have any real skill or not and a smart man wouldn’t make his spectacle look so ridiculous and embarrassing!

The issue is that people fantasize about magical abilities that will make them invincible. People want it to work!! It is a fantasy that earns money for the hucksters! There is one born every minute!

It is much cheaper and much easier to buy a hand gun and learn to use it properly than to waste ones life learning pretend magical skills that won't work in the real world. When he can stop a bullet then he can consider himself safe from assault, until then he better hope he is only attacked by his students!

[spiralstair]

I totally blame the students. It looks like he wants to really mess them up but they keep hopping away, like the Easter Bunny at a rave. He needs more serious, committed students. That'll do it.

[yangyang]

You're mistaken. I don't know what she teaches publically or how she teaches now (I've never visited her school), but I do know she knows quite a bit of traditional martial arts. Do a search on Fu familly Bagua Zhang or Taiji Quan.

WRONG. Wushu all the way. She specializes in WUSHU SWORD and her famous son is another WUSHU performer/director/actor. These people are not fighters. You can believe what you want, but I happen to know this is fact. If she does know how to fight, which is very very doubtful (especially considering Chinese culture) she certainly never taught it in any of her classes. I know a few former students and they all say the same thing. She has definite skill, but NOT MARTIAL SKILL. Ask her yourself.

[Three Harmonies]

If anyone thinks this cracker has any skill, then I feel bad because they have never, NEVER touched hands with someone even remotely good. Save your money and go visit Tim Cartmell. You will fly, but not like that ;)

Cheers
Jake :)

[bamboo_ leaf]

So what is IMA supposed to look like? All demos like this draw the same reactions and the same questions. Some people, his students, and others follow people who have skills like these. What would you say makes them follow such teachers often for many yrs?

[imperialtaichi]

I'm sure quite a few people say the same thing about you after viewing the stuff you put on your website...



Hey Brad,

I am completely open about what I can do and what I can't do, and what are practical fighting techniques that works on anyone and what are training methods that requires coorporations from a training partner.

Further more, I openly invite anyone to come and cross hands with me. As long as you come as a friend with an open mind, and ready to share some knowledge and a good coffee.

Cheers,
John

[Scott R. Brown]

What would you say makes them follow such teachers often for many yrs?

1) They want to be a part of something rare and special. That makes them special too, i.e. better than you!!

2) Some people like to be awed. We live in a world that is led by science and technology; this tends to separate us from the wonder of the natural world. If magic exists then science doesn’t have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.

3) If I can learn magical abilities I can defend myself against any form of attack (except someone who knows better magic than mine.) and this will make me feel less insecure. Maybe even powerful! Then I will be a somebody and no one can push me around. “You don’t know what I could do to you if you push me too far! Don’t make me angry! You won't like me when I am angry!! You live because of my beneficence!”

[Walter Joyce]

You're mistaken. I don't know what she teaches publically or how she teaches now (I've never visited her school), but I do know she knows quite a bit of traditional martial arts. Do a search on Fu familly Bagua Zhang or Taiji Quan.
I've been to her school and know someone well who trained with her for over a decade.

Her curriculum consists of Wushu, not TCMA, including the Fu style ba gua. She teaches no neigong.

[fiercest tiger]

Hi Dr John,

You do similar stuff like this, lots of energy work. The clip where your stdent puts his finger on your 3rd eye and he collaspes is kinda like that right?

regards
garry

[bamboo_ leaf]

(They want to be a part of something rare and special. That makes them special too, i.e. better than you!!)

don’t know about that, I think there are probably more people whose training is along these lines but are rather privet about. For the reasons posted here.


( Some people like to be awed. We live in a world that is led by science and technology; this tends to separate us from the wonder of the natural world. If magic exists then science doesn’t have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.)

based on my own experiences, when people encounter this, there first reaction is one of skeptic until they themselves experience it. After the experience it might take many yrs for the mind and body to be able to develop the out look and feeling to duplicate it. Or it might take a short time depending on ones ablility to adopt a differnt viewpoint.

(If I can learn magical abilities I can defend myself against any form of attack (except someone who knows better magic than mine.) and this will make me feel less insecure. Maybe even powerful! Then I will be a somebody and no one can push me around. “You don’t know what I could do to you if you push me too far! Don’t make me angry! You won't like me when I am angry!! You live because of my beneficence!”)


I think this is ego and fear based, not something conducive to developing this type of work IMO.

Lets take something more believable but less shown. The idea that softness can naturalize hardness, the idea that the mind will not allow the body to push on something that it cant feel (emptiness) reactions to this often include a spasm of involuntary jumping back. these things are quite hard to really do, and are not shown as much nor do they draw the same interest. They are based on the same ideas that are expressed in many demos like this. FWIW i think only a few people ever get to the stage where it can be used, hence the lack of demos or awarness of it.


This demo is rather extreme agreed, but having experienced some of the same things not much so from my point of view.

As for not having enough qi to act on, sometimes said by some who can do these things, it’s the same process as asking some one to throw a punch or do something that a technique can work off of. for this to work it requires something to work off of.

If you understand or follow qi theory then, one would also know that the bodies own system can be over loaded or disrupted, another reason why some masters are unwilling to do this.
If one does not then none of it will make sense and other explanations will be used to describe what is being shown in an attempt to make some sense of it.

FWIW my own experience with this left me feeling kind of sick. Like wanting to throw up. I am told its because the qi is being caused to stop at a certain point. if ones own system is not strong enough, ( just like being able to take a punch, roll or anything else) my own belief is that it would damage you.

There are some other points, but my main point, is that in my own experience there are people who posses skills similar to what is shown, and that many long time CMA people upon meeting such skill often stick around to understand it, often for a long time, dropping everything else.

A small story: my friend watching my teacher in china has an engineering back ground. The teacher seeing my friend ( who is Chinese) said (you don’t believe this do you.) my friend said ( no)

My teacher smiled and said (that’s okay) tapping him on the shoulder. My friend told me it felt like a small sun turned on inside his chest. He looked at my teacher who laughed and said (don’t worry it will go away)


so while i may not be able to explain things, i understand them from first hand experince, i follow my teachers adivce because its something i have an interest in.
i share things only in the sprit of sharing my own experinces and thoughts not to change any others.

(If magic exists then science doesn’t have all the answers to the wonder of the universe.)

Science is/ was often thought of as magic until it becomes common place ;)

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

The video is embarrassing. I have been privy to such exhibitions from others of similar fame.. the student's reactions are carefully manipulated responses, where they are instructed that such wildly animated movements "dispell the Qi".. I have also been privy to real exhibitions of extraordinary skills.. precise timing, incredible sensitivity, advanced knowledge of anatomy, keen application of physics and leverage/balance.. resulting in a similar perception of "magic" without the theatrics.. I have crossed hands with masters that are so well trained and so skilled that they are completely relaxed and at ease with anything that comes at them.. i felt like they could sip tea with one hand and whip my butt with the other..

The few occasions where i felt like i had a real Qi experience from a skilled Master, it was nothing like the video, and.. never without actual physical contact.. That is not to say that i discount distance applications of "Qi", we all understand that feeling where we are near someone and get this "gut reaction", either positive or negative.. this is the effect of our energy (Qi) fields interacting, we sense this persons nature/intentions.. i have to keep open the possibility that this situation can be studied and trained to a skill..

I do not buy the explanation by most that they won't show you because they could seriously hurt you.. if you're that good you fix it as easily as you break it.. as has been the case on the few occasions where i have been subjected to what i believe was real Qi work.. A palm slap on my shoulder-blade started me into a coughing fit that left me defenseless, the subsequent massage at the base of my skull and mid-pectoral region relieved the symptoms.. a back of the wrist strike to my "liver-gate" immediately left me nauseous and and doubled-over in an unexplainable pain, deep and viceral.. massage at the Ming-Men and upper out-side of the shin relieved the symptoms.. the strike wouldn't have broken an egg.. These people understood the Qi, its effect on the body and could use it for help or harm.. and, they were not public entertainers, they were simple unassumimg people willing to share a glimpse of our potential.. When i asked about training for such knowledge, the reply was consistent.. "demonstrate a thorough understanding of the physical structure and you can begin to understand the energetic structure".. they are two sides of the same coin, interdependent..

I have seen a student blindfolded and ears covered respond precisely as various "Qi" techniques were applied from a short distance, too random to be choreographed.. but, even then, it would appear that the teacher and student had developed a "Qi" relationship, one that is not available to an unforeseen street situation.. For "Qi" energy work to be useful as a self-defense technique it must work consistently on anyone in an instant.. otherwise it is suitable as a medical alternative, an amusement or as training for developing QI as a potential evolutionary advance..

Public displays such as the video are of little value since they reek of choreographed responses to unverified processes.. rather, pick a novice from the crowd and show the potential student a minor example of "Qi" power.. make believers by real demonstrations, not side-shows..

Be well..

[yangyang]

Bob, you see that's where you have it wrong. Now I'm not referring to Peter Young because I really no nothing about him, but I can tell you that a lot of people have this skill.

What most don't understand is that this is just energy work between teacher and students that are sensitive enough to feel it. It is NOT for self defense, it is just one of many other skills you can develop from doing TCC. I repeat... IT IS NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE!!! Energy work is more for sensitivity development. The masters that can do this work, can not do it to just anyone off the street. Why is this so hard for some to understand?

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

What most don't understand is that this is just energy work between teacher and students that are sensitive enough to feel it. It is NOT for self defense, it is just one of many other skills you can develop from doing TCC. I repeat... IT IS NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE!!! Energy work is more for sensitivity development. The masters that can do this work, can not do it to just anyone off the street. Why is this so hard for some to understand?Actually, people with highly developed skills can (and do) easily demonstrate to anyone they feel will appreciate the demonstration.. Energy work is for whatever purpose the worker chooses, including self-defense.. one cannot confine the energy work of others to their own preferences..

Be well..

[yangyang]

Bob, technically you are correct. But, the number of people who can emit this sort of energy on "just anyone" are few and far between. Speaking mainly from a students point of view who has just recently begun tapping into this kind of energy work, at this time in my understanding I find it to be more of a cooperative exercise. I can't speak for any high level masters, but I am beginning to feelt it for myself, so with that said, I defintely believe this kind of work is very possible and a reality.

[mantid1]

why would anyone think this video would make tai chi look bad? You can tell by the way the guys were jumping away and twisting there bodies they the have developed some leg strength while jumping away. they seemed out of shape but man could they cover some distance. The next time someone starts to attack you start jumping and spinning around like these guys. I bet the attacker will forget about wanting to hurt you. Forget about the pushing, joint locking and striking and just go into a fit like this. It will work. I bet it can help get you to the front of the line at the movies. If you see a long line just break out some of you moves for a minute then go straight to the front of the line. It will work.

Look for the positive dont be negative.

If Moe, Larry and Curley were still around they would have some serious copetition.

[imperialtaichi]

You do similar stuff like this, lots of energy work. The clip where your stdent puts his finger on your 3rd eye and he collaspes is kinda like that right?



Hello Garry,

Yes, exactly. But I must stress that I CANNOT do this just on anyone, at least not yet :o . This is just for training and demo purpose only, and I have made it clear on the website, except people do not read the website properly and start making all sorts of comments about me.

Cheers,
John

[imperialtaichi]

What most don't understand is that this is just energy work between teacher and students that are sensitive enough to feel it. It is NOT for self defense, it is just one of many other skills you can develop from doing TCC. I repeat... IT IS NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE!!! Energy work is more for sensitivity development. The masters that can do this work, can not do it to just anyone off the street. Why is this so hard for some to understand?



Hello Yangyang,

This stuff DOES work on the street, though not in such spectacular fashion :o

Although I cannot use the internals in the purest form to fight an opponent, it is quite easy to use it to upset the opponents' balance and float them and to sense their intentions hence making the physical techniques more effortless, effective and powerful. And this works on anyone, not just students. Very often, the person being "floated" may not even feel it, but a third person observing can often see the opponent distorting by himself/herself before being thrown.

In my opinion there is a definitely benefit in training such subtle energy for self defense purposes.

Cheers,
John

[yangyang]

Hello Yangyang,

This stuff DOES work on the street, though not in such spectacular fashion :o

Although I cannot use the internals in the purest form to fight an opponent, it is quite easy to use it to upset the opponents' balance and float them and to sense their intentions hence making the physical techniques more effortless, effective and powerful. And this works on anyone, not just students. Very often, the person being "floated" may not even feel it, but a third person observing can often see the opponent distorting by himself/herself before being thrown.

In my opinion there is a definitely benefit in training such subtle energy for self defense purposes.

Cheers,
John

Hey, my teachers do the energy work all the time, so I have a complete open mind about it. Unlike most others.:)

[Corwyn]

would anyone believe any of this stuff?

The same reason that people followed
Jim Jones
Charles Manson
The maharaj yogi (sp)
people believe that Pat Robertson changed the path of hurricanes

They are self diluted and have give up, sadly by choice, their ability and willingness to think for themselves.

If you are under the delusion that you posses such powers
- which you clearly promote for gain - go over to
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html convince one guy and win
1 MILLION dollars!

As usual, let the excuses follow!

IF I seem harsh it's because I take this kind of crap as a direct insult to those whom I admire and those that I know have put in decades and lifetimes
of commitment and REAL practice to an art and tradition.
People like this should not be excused. The people who fall for such BS probably should receive our pity because they obviously lack certain mental skills, but they should be taken out and flogged.

[imperialtaichi]

:rolleyes: The good thing about ignorance is that one becomes totally content with oneself, thinking that "I know it all" without seeing or realising that there is a big wide world out there full of phenomenons beyond our current understanding. It's like saying "I don't believe in bacteria coz I've never seen one."

Cheers,
John

[bamboo_ leaf]

(The people who fall for such BS probably should receive our pity because they obviously lack certain mental skills, but they should be taken out and flogged)

how are you any different from those you denigrate. People should take your truth your, view, as theirs ?

all the time people ask to see high level skills sets then after seeing an example try to find ways to explain why it is not so.

(IF I seem harsh) na you don’t seem harsh at all, uninformed, narrow minded, maybe, but harsh na.

[Ray Pina]

Blame not what others are doing to ruin Kung Fu, blame yourself for what you're not doing to make it right;)

Get out there and beat some a$$ with your Kung Fu and everything will be alright.

[Zhang Yong Chun]

why would anyone think this video would make tai chi look bad? You can tell by the way the guys were jumping away and twisting there bodies they the have developed some leg strength while jumping away. they seemed out of shape but man could they cover some distance. The next time someone starts to attack you start jumping and spinning around like these guys. I bet the attacker will forget about wanting to hurt you. Forget about the pushing, joint locking and striking and just go into a fit like this. It will work. I bet it can help get you to the front of the line at the movies. If you see a long line just break out some of you moves for a minute then go straight to the front of the line. It will work.

Look for the positive dont be negative.

If Moe, Larry and Curley were still around they would have some serious copetition.

You should be shot for saying all this with a straight face and making me lose my drink. ;)

[Banjos_dad]

So what is IMA supposed to look like? All demos like this draw the same reactions and the same questions. Some people, his students, and others follow people who have skills like these. What would you say makes them follow such teachers often for many yrs?

i would say, some people would do anything for lineage lol. Or maybe in exchange for participating on the internal self defense demo team, the sifus confers special rank or secret knowledge on them. Don't we like to be more advanced than others? ;)
sorry but stuff like this just feeds skepticism about the MA by outsiders.. and even some of us too.
One good thing about guys like these... they can only make your own school look more bona fide (i hope all of our schools appear a little more on the legitimate side than this)

edit ** i think that guy was on american idol this year. he jumped up on the panelists' desk & scared the carp out of them.

double edit *** The good thing about ignorance is that one becomes totally content with oneself, thinking that "I know it all" without seeing or realising that there is a big wide world out there full of phenomenons beyond our current understanding. It's like saying "I don't believe in bacteria coz I've never seen one."
apparently ladies and gentlemen, we now DO have to be weathermen to know when the wind is blowing.

[imperialtaichi]

The thing is, I'm not telling anyone to believe that this is real, or this is fake. All I am saying is that there are things recorded in the world that need further exploration and understanding. Just dismissing something because it does not fit into out mode of thinking is just not, scientific. Being SUBJECTIVE and not OBJECTIVE is also not scientific. Discussions in a civilized mannor.

This is like patients suffering from "Demonic Possession". We cannot ignore it purely because "We don't believe in demons", and just say that these patients are acting or faking it. But when we study it deeper, then we can work out and say "a-ha! he has a frontal lobe malfunction and dopamine imbalance" then we can treat it with proper drugs and therapy.

The problem with Tai Chi is that it operates with very different methodology to what we normally deal with everyday. If we look at it with "Shaolin" type of energetics, then everything just becomes very odd.

I am not saying that the demos by this Tibetan monk is not weird. But this is just one of the many weird things out there that may need some analysing. And we need to device some scientific methods to systemetically analyse such phenomenon.

Cheers,
John

[RonH]

Bob, technically you are correct. But, the number of people who can emit this sort of energy on "just anyone" are few and far between. Speaking mainly from a students point of view who has just recently begun tapping into this kind of energy work, at this time in my understanding I find it to be more of a cooperative exercise. I can't speak for any high level masters, but I am beginning to feelt it for myself, so with that said, I defintely believe this kind of work is very possible and a reality.

Thinking of it as being cooperative helps in the initial stages. The more you think about everything being connected, the easier it will be. With empty force studies, learning hermeticism and reiki helps a lot. The yahoo group Reiki_On does attunements for levels 1 and 2 for free, but most people don't give the master attunement for free. There's a condensed version of Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics floating around, but it's better, if you get a hardcopy. abardoncompanion.com is also a good suppliment for the book.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

http://media.putfile.com/Ling-Kong-Jin

Flame on... :eek:

:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :eek: :eek: :eek:

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???????


:eek:

[Nebuchadnezzar]

....I would like to keep an open mind and meet him and test it out if I can, in a totally unbiased and analytical manner. After all, if I dismiss a phenomenon without personally experiencing it, it would be unscientific (like Pythagarus drowning the guy who discovered square root of 2 does not fit into Pythagarus' theories). There are many many things out there that we cannot explain yet.

Cheers,
John

Dude, just close your mind in this case. :mad:

[Nebuchadnezzar]

There is nothing real…legit or factual in this video. The guy is a fraud, a buffoon…and a huckster. He is making idiots of anyone who associates with him or believes this stuff could be real.


And quite frankly, I am amazed that some here “in today’s information age” would entertain the notion that this crap could be real.


This is the kind of junk people would have been exposed to in the mid 1970’s when IMA’s where relatively unknown and only a few legit people in the west were teaching them.



Reminds me of the time I went to a pressure point seminar…crap C…R….A….P! all of it!. They were pretending to knock people out behind sheet walls etc… I stood up and asked for a demonstration and when it didn’t work. ( they then tried a knock out strike aimed under my jaw…..The blow hurt…. but hardly would or could…. knock me out if I was enraged and intent on doing someone serious harm) They informed me that some of the points don’t work on some…some points work on others…

(I forget the phrase they said but it amounted to something like that…

“It’s called a glass jaw” I retorted … being quite ticked that I was being conned…


Then they told me they didn’t and wouldn’t strike me in the serious locations reserved for lethality, so I asked where would these locations be? They pointed to the throat, underneath the armpit etc…(I informed them that areas where the human anatomy is not designed to suffer physical damage is hardly a secret. And an idiot knows if punches someone in the throat it could mess them up)

I told them to give me my money back right in front of everyone attending, I was led to a back room given my money and I left…


Hucksters and charlatans …snake oil…and golden elixirs

So, you were misfortunate enough to experience George Dilman's crap.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

No doubt about it, the sudents are way over-reacting and the teacher just wants to look good in public. The problem is, what do you say when a teacher can do some wierd things like this (or similiar) to his students, but can also send a non-student on his ass using his "real" skill? Would he still be a fraud? I'm not specifically talking about Peter Young mind you. Just asking.

Why pull crap like this when you have "real skills". This is the kind of kaa kaa that turns away potential serious students.

[Mukei]

Im Sorry .... that was the most peice of sh!@.......I have ever saw ..... Wow ....
I Agree..... I'll teach ya .....hahahahahahahahahha .......

Mukei

[Unfettered Palm]

I'm more impressed with the actors jumping all around like that. I have a video of a masters demonstration in Fl with a bak mei master placing his students hands on him and then using "earth quake" energy to "blow" them off him. before he said go, one of the students was 3 feet away. and there was delayed reactions. to the people in the crowd, it could look impressive. on video...SCAM!!!
and well.....if anyone with any reputable training was in that crowd, they would have jumped at the opportunity to have him throw them around. I know I would have volunteered. On the real end of the spectrum...I have seen people who know pressure point fighting hit people in certain points and the person throwing the technique spazzes out because they get hit at certain points on the hand or wrist and their hands feel like they are on fire. but that is a totally different thing in itself. its called slight nerve damage. haha. well, I don't buy this guy one bit.
no true master needs their students to jump around like dancing bears to make them look good.
and thats my 2 cents.