MMA used in a street fight

[hjt]

http://youtube.com/w/D.-vs.-Dion?v=F...M2U&search=mma

[MasterKiller]

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[hjt]

http://youtube.com/w/D.-vs.-Dion?v=FsQklLe_M2U&search=d%20vs%20dion

[MasterKiller]

uh....more like jr high wrestling.

[hjt]

its better than what i have seen on video when it comes to street fights.

[Chief Fox]

The one kid was very slow and obviously has no training at all. The other kid has at least seen some MMA videos and knew about take downs and the mount.

It was pretty entertaining first thing Friday morning.

I'm going to give it 3 out of a possible 5 blood stains.

[GreenCloudCLF]

"Stop the fight, they in da bushes...."

"You bit*h you scratched me"

"Why you throwing kicks for"

those are my favorite (paraphrased) quotes...

[PangQuan]

so...many...openings.....no....actions....ARGH


if those are MMA fighters. MMA sucks.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

the white kid won for once!

[edit] wait no ... i think they are both black kids. ahh well .... whitey's get their days sometimes. there's always hockey.

[CaptinPickAxe]

On Bullshido they claimed that this is actually a Krav Maga dude and a BJJ cat. They both look like some rooks...

all i have to say to the BJJ cat is this:

Sink the hooks, RNC! RNC! RNC!

[ChinoXL]

lols fight lasted too long.. i woulda rocked any one of them :P

[hskwarrior]

i'm sorry,

i'm sure most of you are being very sarcastic, but not one of you have said that this is just a street fight. it looks like one may have some backyard wrestling moves, but in the many street fights i've either been in or witnessed its the same thing you saw on the tape, except neither were any real fighters.

i was just talking to one of the forum members and i admitted that after hearing some of the names of grappling techniques such as the guillatine i realized i also have some grappling within my own arsenal, its just more street than professional because the guillantine is one of my favorite moves even as a kid.
i've realized that i naturally sprawled when people went for my legs.

to this date i've never learned wrestling, but as a fighter i've learned these things by getting into fights and asking myself how did he do that. so now, i'm considering studying more grappling.

anyways going back to that vid clip, there was no "MMA" at all. just street fighting. i think its natural to try to get the upper hand so if one is on his back the other will naturally mount to gain control.

i recently saw a street fight in my old neighborhood as i was driving by so i went around the block cuz i can't resist a good street fight and saw these two in the street throwing blows. neither landed one beause they were equally fast and evasive. so when the cops pulled up neither one had landed anything. still can't decided whether it was a good fight because both had good defensive skills or neither had any good striking skills.

oh well.

[ChinoXL]

alot of street fights i see or been in personally usually last up to 30 seconds max, ex: somebody gets hit in the nose it breaks the other guy just keeps rushing.. or someone gets in a headlock with one arm the guy pounds away.. and even in bjj doing those escapes take time by the time he gets a 8-10 hits it's over because he's been pounding your nose in.

[Ou Ji]

I'm beginning to have a problem with the term 'MMA' and would like a definition.

Originally, it meant that you trained in multiple martial arts, hence the MMA initials. Nowadays MMA seems to have narrowed down to MT, BJJ and boxing for the most part. It's seems to be reaching the point where it's considered a style.

The reality is that some arts NOT considered MMA are actually MMA. Any style that combines ideas and techniques from different styles would be MMA.

Anyone who trains in different styles regardless of origin is training MMA.

How about guys that train switch schools, and styles, a lot?

Does MMA mean multiple styles or does it mean stand-up and grappling?

Frank mentioned learning the same stuff basically just from getting into fights. I agree with that because the fights I had as kid with no training were the same.

The guard was called scissors when I was a kid. I remember one fight where I got the kid down and he scissored me and tried to squeeze my guts out. At one time I thought I was going to puke on him. Probably should have.

Stuff like that is instinctive and natural. Maybe that's part of the MMA popularity. CMA is difficult and awkward when you start out. Very foreign to your body. Most of what I see in MMA is natural street fighting.

[Ralphie]

I think mixed martial arts has more to do with training all ranges of fighting(striking, clinch/throws, or ground), and being good at one. So, you eliminate your opponents best game, and play to the strength of yours. If that means eliminating the clinch/throw game of a wrestler by being a good defensive wrestler, and a better striker, then you would normally win if you play to your optimal strategy. MMA does not suggest that you study xy and z, but if you want to compete in it, you have to train what works best. Innovations still happen in the MMA arena. TMA'ists still compete at a lot of local fights, but seldom make it to the UFC's and Pride's of of the sports fighting world.
The guard is not the scissors. It is a grappling position that allows you to either finish your opponent, or escape a potentially inferior position (being on your back). All skills in grappling are just that, skills. They are not simple "instinctive" moves. They don't look like a tornado kick, but it's the little things that make things effective. People who are good at working from the guard can spend years developing it. It is awkward to work from when first starting out.

[hskwarrior]

No disrespect ralphie boy,

but you missed the point. what Ou Ji was saying that when he was a kid -just a little rowdy ass kid street punk who got into street fights--they used something they called the scissors, but in the MMA arena its known as the guard. they came up with a name for what they did back then, now the world knows including Ou Ji that what he used to call the scissors is actually called the guard.

i hope you see the point now.


hsk

[puma]

mma..jkd...ninjutsu....streetfighting...crosstrain ing it all boils down to one thing...
using whatever works to get the job done

[Ford Prefect]

On Bullshido they claimed that this is actually a Krav Maga dude and a BJJ cat. They both look like some rooks...

all i have to say to the BJJ cat is this:

Sink the hooks, RNC! RNC! RNC!

That has to be complete BS. The kid didn't know how to apply a RNC, couldn't sink his hooks when given ample oppurtunity, passed over way too much beginner stuff. This was just your a-typical street fight where 1 guy may have seen a UFC or something.

[Ou Ji]

I apoligize if I sound like I'm trivializing MMA but I think that some of the appeal is that it makes sense and feels right and natural. I've never taken an MMA class but from what I see it seems like a lot of it is refined natural moves.

Look at the comment about the RNC. Anyone with kids can tell you what they do when they climb on your back. They hang on by wrapping their arms around your neck, choking the craap out of you. MMA RNC is a refined version of that natural instinct. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree.

Headlocks happen all the time with untrained fighters and they will grab around your neck from all angles including from behind.

[truewrestler]

ok? What's your point?

[hjt]

Hahahahahahaha

[hskwarrior]

whats your point in regards to his point?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[truewrestler]

whats your point in regards to his point?:confused: :confused: :confused:
he has a point? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Is he is saying that striking and wrestling (MMA) is instinctual for all animals?

If so, I agree but not sure what the point is of pointing out this point.

If he is saying that flying armbars, heelhooks, and omoplatas are extension of humans instinctual wrestling abilities then.... ummmm.... ok... :confused:

I give up... my head hurts

[GreenCloudCLF]

Are all those :confused: :confused: :confused: from being choked too much????

[truewrestler]

Magic 8-Ball says "Signs point to yes!"

[Knifefighter]

Headlocks happen all the time with untrained fighters and they will grab around your neck from all angles including from behind.
Much of "natural" grappling instinctual behavior is pretty much wrong from
a grappling perspective - headlocks, straight arm chokes, bull rush with the head down,.

Unless someone has seen the back chokes, he will usually go for a headlock and not a back choke.

Sinking the hooks in is not natural in an untrained person. That's why the one kid was unable to finish the other.

The guard is not natural to most people- turning to the stomach and giving the back is.

[Watchman]

KF,

Would you say that trained grappling is purposeful in exploiting the untrained responses in opponents? Is the training geared to apply certain kinds of pressure to provoke those untrained responses?

[Knifefighter]

KF,

Would you say that trained grappling is purposeful in exploiting the untrained responses in opponents? Is the training geared to apply certain kinds of pressure to provoke those untrained responses?
Yes.

One of the first things you learn in a BJJ class is the spinning arm bar from the mount. You put pressure on the opponent and get him to push up as he tries to get you off, thus setting up the arm bar.

Punches from the mount are designed to get the opponent to turn his back to you.

There are a variety of other techniques designed to do the same typs of things.

[Ralphie]

Ou Ji,
Kicking and punching are pretty basic things, too. However, I don't surmise that the technical aspects of real kung fu are really about kicking and punchin. I would imagine that they center around the technical aspects of gaining an advantage over your opponent then delivering a punch, kick, throw, sweep, or whatever. The same holds true for grappling, or San Shou, or Muy Thai, or Greco Wrestling, et alit.

HKS, you don't seem like a very smart person. Just another internet loudmouth, so I have added you to my ignore list. No need to reply on Ou Ji's behalf.

[Wood Dragon]

Bumfights: The Next Generation.

[Wood Dragon]

http://satanjr.com/1004/surf_crap.wmv

Ah. Now I remember why I hated Hawai'i. And Kanaks.

[Green Cloud]

Ok so we saw a random crime, I'm sure the guy who got his ass kicked has a good law suit since it's all on tape. This is the kind of thing I think we all train for. To fend off thugs like that.

[Wood Dragon]

Ok so we saw a random crime, I'm sure the guy who got his ass kicked has a good law suit since it's all on tape. This is the kind of thing I think we all train for. To fend off thugs like that.

That's why you don't wander around in Hawai'i, unless you are in a group. Ewa Beach is particularly bad.

When I was stationed at Schofield Barracks, we used to go out and surf on the weekends. We were fighting the Kanaks -every- time. Having a Battalion picnic, complete with kids and wives? In they come. Provost Marshal hated it.

Unemployed thug trash. Consider the beaches (oh, and roads) to belong to them. Loathe Servicemen

Notice how the guy in black tells the Surfer to let go of his buddy (so his buddy can continue punching) or he'll break his nose? Pretty much par for the course. You will not win solo.

[Green Cloud]

yea I just watched that video again I see what you mean. I guess you learn something new, I always thought those Samoans were fun loving.:eek:

[hskwarrior]

gus,

samoans fun loving? ha! only when it comes to other samoans.

but those are some tough ass people, not forgetting that they almost always outweight everyone. booyaa tribe sucka.

but another polynesian group ---tongans---are also tough as hell.

I used to be a crip in the WCC which is all samoan, and also the Tongan Crip Gangsters which started in L.A. and brought to SF.

there was a samoan gang in SF called AKA (Always Kicking Ass) and were notorious. i recall one kid who was told that AKA was after him and he hung himself the very same day.

fun loving he says.;)

[Green Cloud]

I used have a Samoan girl friend and I don't know abou kicking ass but her body was ass kicking. Anyway I know what you meant her family was certainly rough around the collar.

Her brothers tested me out the first time I met them, once I got their respect then they were cool after that.

[Faruq]

The best MMA vs streetfighter fight I've seen, besides Sean Gannon being able to defeat that bull of an ex-con Abdullah "Kimbo Slice" Byrd, was this fight in felony fights 3 where the MMA guy turned a fight completely around against this cholo of a gangbanger who was boxing his ass off until the MMA guy finally got him to the ground.

[Shaolinlueb]

i dont know if i replied yet. that was crap. i would have ****ed both them up.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

im not sure why this was resurected, but im glad it was.

it amazes me the things i see now that i didnt see the first time i watched the vid. im glad i finally decided to take up jiujitsu.