What truely works? what doesnt? (mma)

[hskwarrior]

oh, and about the part about being shot......


try fockin with me and find out. do you think im in this for games? im in this for life. and i can tell the only purose you have here is to stir up some drama.

if anyone wanted to go to the dog bro's they would. thats it thats all.

if no one wants to be a part of it, then drop it.

[unkokusai]

oh, and about the part about being shot......


try fockin with me and find out. do you think im in this for games? im in this for life. .


*yawn* All these channels and nothing but tired old reruns! :rolleyes:

[unkokusai]

i will use my martial arts only when i need to. something you couldn't understand.

LOL

Code-talker!

LOL

[Knifefighter]

he is as fake as the weapon in his hand. "We use metal knives" but what i didn't tell you is that they're harmless and couldn't cut cheese.

you think i don't know that a blunt instrument could hurt, or even puncture?

So which is it?
Do they do damage or are they harmless?
Make up your mind.


i train in knife fighting as well dude.

Apparently not enough to remember whether or not fighting with a steel training blade is harmless or dangerous.

.
knife fighter won't come out of his focking hole to allow himself to get a beat down.

i will use my martial arts only when i need to. something you couldn't understand.
So, Ross, you see why I don't respect many kung fu guys. First they talk sheet about how they are going to rip you a new a$$hole. Then when they are called to actually do this, they hide behind "I only fight when I have to... when it's for REAL on the STREETS... so don't mess with me, boy"

[Knifefighter]

Frank what's that on his head...
Weren't you supposed to be the one with the extensive grappling background?

[Green Cloud]

I saw the clip about the dog bros. I must admit it looked like fun, If your a white guy stuck in 9 to 5 cubacle and have tons of stress to release. I can see how such an event can be good therapy. They should have a seperate division for husbands and wives. I think would cut divorce in half.

Anyway why is it that guys like knifefighter, feel that they can say what they want and when an insult is chalenged, they hide behind their school banners.

As far as I'm concerned I've been in the game a long time, and have competed in tons of events over the years. AS far as the dog bros are concerned back then those events were called pit fights. And I have plenty of battle scars from them, and it's earned me my rep in NY.

I have nothing to prove most people in the MA industry know that. So it get's real old when some Johnny come lately comes out of the wood working and pokes fun at what I do.

This guy butter knife is nobody, and has no rep in the MA world. I don't care that he has a black belt In BJJ so what. Maybee he should take lesson from the gracies, I've never seen them go around and randomly disrespect people.

My training brothers know how I roll. When an outsider came into our school in Mineola, and questioned our fighting theory, I was the first to roll up my sleeves and fight. Oh yea I never lost, thats how we sighned people up back then. By satisfying there curiosities.

One would think after 35 years people would show some respect. But then again thats my broblem with MMA people no respect, till some old guy beats them with a cane.

My offer still stands butter knife, If you are ever in NY come visit me and I'l satisfy your curiosity. Your not the first MMA guy that I had to set strait, and probably not the last.

[SimonM]

This feels really strange.

See I don't like Knifefighter. Never have.

On the other hand Dave Ross and his crew (the students of the late Chan Tai San) have often been people I routinely agree with on this list. After all they are other CMA purists who do believe that CMA is not just waving arms around in the air but is acutally for fighting. I respect that. That being said Green Cloud you gotta lay off of the Dog Brothers bashing.

I've done a bit of stick fighting without pads. Mostly with bokken, a bit with short bamboo poles. You get welts, you get bruises and once I got a broken finger. In one match I got smacked in the elbow and it was sore for a week. On the other hand there is a guy at my old kwoon who never really liked me that much after we did a full-contact stick fighting drill to simulate jian dueling because my light taps with a hollow bamboo tube left red marks all over his back and his knuckles. I haven't gotten a chance to play in a dog brothers event but if there were one in Shanxi I'd be there with my bokken right quick. However I do talk to other martial artists - a lot - and you are the first one to ever say anything but that dog brothers events are pretty good.

Yeah KF can be a jerk. OK, turn around is fair play, and if he was posting pictures of CTS with weak attempts at ammusing captions while there were equally jeer-able photos of him online sure, whatever, this is a flame war. But cool it with the flaming of the dog brothers stuff. The guys who run it haven't flamed you and haven't said anything bad about your late sifu and they do represent a worthwhile venue for realistic weapon sparring.

You want to keep playing online one-upmanship games with KF - go right ahead. This thread is enough of a write-off that most of the relevant and on-topic conversation has moved to a different thread anyway. But keep on-target rather than flaming people who haven't even said anything on this thread.

[Jules]

Um Jules-
That photo was taken off the Dog Bros website from the last gathering in November. It is from a live fight. Of course you wouldn't know what a real fight looks like because you've only been training for a year and it's been in a pretend fighting style.

So is that you in the photo there, or not? It still looks posed.

Seriously, you can admit to me, if you want, that you're just looking for attention because you're lacking something in real life. If you want to talk about these problems you have, you can PM me; I'm pretty good at dealing with people who have emotional problems. You shouldn't let these lacks in your "real life" bring you to this level where you're sitting at home getting off on being yelled at by people you could bhe learning from. Or, if you don't want to PM me for a chat about your problems, (which I totally would understand,) you could see a professional. But get out of the house now and then, go and meet some people.

I can sympathize with you: when I was a teenager, I was very angry and would often do things for attention, even if it was negative attention. I guess you should have gotten over that stage by now, but really, there's no shame in having the problems you have. There's no weakness in admitting it, either. So my advice to you is to get help.

Good luck! :o

~~Jules

[Green Cloud]

I did say that the dog brothers events looked like fun and that it's a good outlet to relieve stress. Some thing that most of middle american buissnesmen could use. I saw the movie the fight club and I understood it.

The dog brothers provides a good venue for people that practice stick fighting.

I really think it's a good money maker, throw a little side betting and some hot ring girls and you got yourself an excelent pay per view event.

All though I find these event's amussing these are comercial events created to build hype to sell the event. Did ya ever hear the expression sold out??

Purist's like me haven't sold out, So you get sick of getting atacked by guys like knifefighter. Commom give me a break do these guys really think that I'm gonna drop everything and do what??? Promote events that bash other styles and don't provide any lessons of respect and values.

[David Jamieson]

a) dog brothers methods reach out to all sorts of martial arts and try to incorporate in a live setting those things that work and determine those things that don't. It is an ongoing process and they are not the only ones venturing into this way of working the martial arts.

b)dog bros have way too many fanboys running around talking shyte that the actual dog brothers wouldn't be bothered with and likely wouldn't associate with those fanboyz anyway. lol :p

c) speaking ill of the dead is poor form regardless of who is doing it.

d)because someone has a marketing plan and hypes events to make a living doing what they love doing doesn't mean what they have is crap.

e)what works and what doesn't is an unknown until it's done. Everyone knows a punch works, so does a kick and so does strangulation, but no one can claim to be able to consistently pull off any of these in a confrontation and anyone who does make this claim is not only short sighted, but likely a little on the thick side.

f) whatever training you're into, it's more important to do it correctly than to talk about it like it's teh sh1t over anything else. Everyone's stuff has gaps and it doesn't matter who taht is or what art they are selling or teaching. Gaps everywhere, and that's why martial arts will always evolve and grow and if they don't, they are nice as antiques, but shouldn't be touted as the 'latest' or 'best'.

[SimonM]

Well put David.

[Knifefighter]

My offer still stands butter knife, If you are ever in NY come visit me and I'l satisfy your curiosity. Your not the first MMA guy that I had to set strait, and probably not the last.
Wait a minute... last you said, you were heading out here.

Boy... you and fatwarrior can't seem to make up your minds.

So, which is it? Am I going to look you up when I am in NY or are you coming out here?

[Green Cloud]

If you are in town common down. I suppose you don't work for the Dog bros, you are just a follower, monkey see monkey do. So when I'm out there I'l go see those guys not you since they don't kmow who you are.

[Knifefighter]

No, I don't work for the Dog Brothers.

Yes, I am a "Dog Brother". Becoming a Dog Brother simply means that you have fought in enough events and shown enough fighting spirit/technical ability to be inducted into the "pack".

No, I am not specifically recruiting people to come to the events. We already get about 50 fighters at the gatherings.

I just want you and/or fatwarrior to fight and prove that fighting with "butterknives" is no big deal, as you have stated in previous posts. The Dog Bros gathings are a perfect place for this.

[chud]

http://www.iamimmortal.com/OG/bjgay.wmv




LMAO at that vid (YMCA by the Village People playing in the background...LOL)!!!

[Green Cloud]

That sums it all up, Touche!!:cool: That was funnyLOL.;)

[Green Cloud]

No, I don't work for the Dog Brothers.

Yes, I am a "Dog Brother". Becoming a Dog Brother simply means that you have fought in enough events and shown enough fighting spirit/technical ability to be inducted into the "pack".

No, I am not specifically recruiting people to come to the events. We already get about 50 fighters at the gatherings.

I just want you and/or fatwarrior to fight and prove that fighting with "butterknives" is no big deal, as you have stated in previous posts. The Dog Bros gathings are a perfect place for this.



Listen knifefigter, call me up I'l try to find some time to meet up. Maybee I can pay for half your air fair and you can come out to see me.

Give me a call and we can talk about the detales. Personaly I think youre too small, too ugly, and too old to fight me. It wouldn't be fair. Maybee I can provide one of my students for you to fight??

[Green Cloud]

knife fighter how old are you, I have to ask cause I'm not a bully would never fight an old guy, but I guess that's not as bad as picking on a respected master that has passed.

Realy, what do you do for a living?? Are you in the MA buiss. full time ?? what makes you think that you are qualified to even talk to me?? Much less fight me.

You are a cute little troll. Com on Napolian give me a break. I told you I don't beat up cute little trolls.

[rogue]

Remember kiddies everybody gets older and I can't wait to all the old bashing comes back at you yung'uns. :p

[Green Cloud]

I never undestimate an elder, I just wont fight someone who is much older than me. I do have respect for the elders. As far as knife fighter he likes to poke fun at not only the elderly but the dead too.

[Watchman]

Pick your poison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism

[Knifefighter]

what makes you think that you are qualified to even talk to me?? Much less fight me.

You are a cute little troll. Com on Napolian give me a break. I told you I don't beat up cute little trolls.

Gotta love the "not qualified" excuse after about 10 posts of you saying how you are going to hunt me down and find me.

See, Ross... It always comes down to the same thing with these kung fool trolls. First they talk sheet about how they will kick your ass. Then, once again, it comes down to the same old thing. They won't actually fight when the issue is pressed.

[Green Cloud]

I was going to hunt butterknife down till he posted a picture of him self. Then I felt bad for him. I never turned him down just thought I could give the little man a break.

He looks like the little me guy.

[Jules]

See, Ross... It always comes down to the same thing with these kung fool trolls

Actually, a troll is someone who comes to a specific internet forum or gathering, knowing full well what the common interest is, and then proceeds to bash that interest and the people who have gathered to discuss it. Usually, the troll gets off on the attention this brings him or her.

Knife Fighter, stop the one-handed typing. If you don't like Kung Fu, then drag your wrinkled @ss to the "I Don't Like Kung Fu" forum and wank there. Okay?

~~Jules

[Knifefighter]

Um, Jules-
Have you actually read this thread? If not why don't you go back and do so before making statements like that.

Once you do, you will notice that I was simply answering grappling questions from another poster.

It was your "sifu", and I use the term loosely, who began calling someone stupid and "retarted" that pretty much started this whole thing. This was your "sifu" on a public forum doing this. So, if anything, might he be considered the troll?

Jules, go back and read all the posts. Count up the number of times your "sifu" has called people insulting names. Count up the number of times I have done the same.

Then figure out who the real troll is.

Or does he have you too brainwashed to see that?

[Jules]

Um, Jules-
Have you actually read this thread? If not why don't you go back and do so before making statements like that.


I did--and I see you come bumbling in here like Rambo without a jockstrap as it were, looking for attention. Sadly, you got it.


It was your "sifu", and I use the term loosely,


That is precisely the attitude that has got you looking the complete fool throughout this thread.


Jules, go back and read all the posts. Count up the number of times your "sifu" has called people insulting names. Count up the number of times I have done the same.


Quality over quantity, I suppose. Your poking fun at Chan Tai San is what really landed you in hot water to begin with. I've felt a bit sorry for you throughout this thing, because it almost seems like you came blundering in here without knowing who was whom, perhaps not even knowing who Chan Tai San is, hence your wild backpedaling and "gee **** guys, I wasn't really making fun of him" nonsense. I mean, we've all said and done stupid things in our lives. It's just that you don't seem to want to quit. Again, that is an easy thing to do on the internet. Face to face with Green Cloud, you might be the kind of guy to step up and say, "I screwed up, I was a jerk, and I'm sorry." I doubt it, but maybe. But it's all different when you don't have to say those things to someone in person, isn't it?


Or does he have you too brainwashed to see that?

Of course someone like you would see respect as "brainwashing." It leads me to think that no one respects you, perhaps not many people even like you. And so when you see people who do have the respect of others, you have to convince yourself that it's not sincere, or was somehow forced. This is all conjecture, of course, based on my observation of your behavior in this forum. But seeing as how this is the only thing I know of you--that you represent yourself as an angry, disrespectful, attention-whoring troll--that's all I've got to base my observation on.

I'm sorry that you don't understand basic human interaction. I'm sorry that you don't understand the protocol of Kung Fu, or perhaps even most other martial arts. I'm sorry that you think respect and friendliness has to be forced instead of earned. I'm sorry that that's the way things have apparently gone in your life. But please don't assume that because no one respects you, they don't respect others. That's very shortsighted.

~~Jules

[Knifefighter]

Face to face with Green Cloud, you might be the kind of guy to step up and say, "I screwed up, I was a jerk, and I'm sorry." I doubt it, but maybe. But it's all different when you don't have to say those things to someone in person, isn't it?
The kind of guy I am is someone who walks the walk, unlike your "sifu". Face to face I would make him walk also.

[Jules]

The kind of guy I am is someone who walks the walk, unlike your "sifu". Face to face I would make him walk also.


Again, very easy to say over the internet. What it comes down to, for me at least, is this: I don't believe you. I think you're a troll who is getting off on all the attention you're getting. I think that you'd run the other way in real life. Just like you say you don't believe anyone from Green Cloud has ever had a fight or a match, I also think that you're full of wind. What can you do? You believe Green Cloud has no creds, I believe you are full of it. There's no way for either of us to prove; it all comes down to words.

As far as words and intellect go, I realize you're not my match. I tried to give you a chance--I tried to lighten things up with you when you started posting, if you remember--but all you wanted to do was swing your d*ck around the interenet forum and see who you could hit with it. I'm equally sorry if I seem to be picking on you by saying those things, but I'm trying to be honest in all things. I tried to keep things lighthearted and funny, you returned by insulting me. You don't seem to understand that, nor do you seem to understand the ethos of a martial arts discipline and school. You come to a Kung Fu forum and see the big red button that says, "When you insult my school, training brothers and sisters, and Sifu, you insult me" and you press it like it's your job.

I sense a lot of jealousy in you. Let me explain that:

The "d*ck swinging" thing aside, you remind me a little of how I was when I was 14. I was kind of a reject because I looked different (my school was very racist and though I'm only part Native, I look like a classic Injun caracature that most white kids hated--big nose, black hair, olive skin that I tried to lighten.) Like most kids I took it personally, and I hated everyone right back. It made me angry and I would lash out at everyone, yet I couldn't defend myself so I usually got the worst of it.

The part that you remind me of is how I never gave credence to real respect and friendship. When the other kids were doing well and being social and joining clubs, I attributed that to "they are brainwashed by society, and only I understand." When someone was nice to me, I was suspicious of them. It wasn't until I actually made a friend when I was 16 that I started to think maybe there was something to this "friendship" thing. It wasn't until I got into college and actually learned something that I started to understand the respect one has for the person who teaches it.

Until you have friends, you won't understand people who do. Until you learn something of value, you won't understand respecting the teacher. I'm being sincere when I say that I hope you can change. You seem unhappy. That makes me feel badly for you, but not badly enough that I can't tell you, "put your d*ck away or leave the forum." Until you do either of those things, you're going to continue to be treated like a troll. You remind me of my 14 year old self, but you are an adult and I say these things to you because I think you can handle it.

Malama 'oe,

~~Jules

[Knifefighter]

Again, very easy to say over the internet. What it comes down to, for me at least, is this: I don't believe you. I think you're a troll who is getting off on all the attention you're getting. I think that you'd run the other way in real life. Just like you say you don't believe anyone from Green Cloud has ever had a fight or a match, I also think that you're full of wind. What can you do? You believe Green Cloud has no creds, I believe you are full of it. There's no way for either of us to prove; it all comes down to words.
Jules,
Unfortunately for you, you are just a newbie in MA and ended up brainwashed at a pretend fighting school.

You think I'd run the other way? Just look at the other post where I was Googled. There were several photos of me competing. Go to grappling tournament results sites and you will see me listed there for many tourneys. Go to the Dog Bros site. Scroll through the photo section of past gatherings. You will see pics of my fights all over the place there. Download the videos. My fights are shown in almost all of those. Some of those Googled pics were from my fights at Kage Combat and Extreme Pankration.

I never run the other way.

Now try to find records on your "sifu" fighting, or even someone at your school. The only real evidence you will find is some point sparring stuff.

As far as attention... I would actually prefer to reman annonymous and just debate, but geeks like Abel and Parletti don't seem to want that to happen. so they always have to jump in and post who I am.

[SimonM]

Could you please post a link to the Dog Brothers site? When I googled it I got a few adverts for their videos and a bunch of bestiality stuff. And I really don't care about somebody having carnal relations with their brother's dog. :eek: :rolleyes:

[couch]

Could you please post a link to the Dog Brothers site? When I googled it I got a few adverts for their videos and a bunch of bestiality stuff. And I really don't care about somebody having carnal relations with their brother's dog. :eek: :rolleyes:

Try "Do Brothers Martial Arts!"

http://dogbrothers.com/index.php

peace

[SimonM]

Just got it off of the weapon sparring thread but thanks anyway!

[Jules]

Jules,
Unfortunately for you, you are just a newbie in MA and ended up brainwashed at a pretend fighting school.



Ah. Hey, Sifu! Is that what all that crystal waving and all the "you are getting very sleepy" stuff was about when I signed on? ;) Now I get it. It took Knife Fighter to enlighten me. :rolleyes:

It's just as I said. You, knife fighter, have nothing new to add. The rest of your post was all "I'm tought! Look at me! I'm tough, really! You can google how tough I am!" so I'm not going to bother. And since you've done nothing but convince me that you are a sad, lonely, angry man full of hot air, I see that you're not ready to understand the things I was saying. That's even sadder, because there are kids where I train that have already evolved past you.

Good luck to you, though.

~~Jules

[OutlawMonk]

Hello All. It took quite some time, but I read the entire thread and there were a lot of good points made. This is my first post here and I wanted to add a few observations about what works today vs. what worked 15 years ago; why kung fu has it's place and why grappling, bjj and Kali should be a part of every CMA's tool kit. The reason is.........

You have no control over when a situation arises and under what circumstance AND Your opponent does not wear his credentials on his sleeve or in the form of a belt.

Think about the times you actually fought in a place where it happened suddenly and out-of-the blue. There you were minding your own business when some idiot thought he would open the whoop-a$$ can for some unknown reason. Two words are exhanged and bam- it's party time.

15 years ago, the odds of facing a well trained fighter were far slimmer than they are today; bjj wasn't at the forefront of televised competition; the ufc didn't exist; most styles of Kung fu were still tightly held, especially the deadlier internal styles like Southern Mantis; and you couldn't join the black belt club at tiger shulmanns! Today, you can learn just about anything- real time- on dvd or in person with a bonafide master for a fee. Our access to real fighting arts is no longer limited to invitation only. Everyone is protective of their style and that's as it should be. If you do not have pride in your style and carry yourself in such a way to honor the school you're in, you don't belong there.

Why Cross Training is important to everyone:


If you wind up on the floor, it helps to know bjj, grappling, chin-na and/or good old wrestling. Prior to taking a martial art, any street fight I couldn't win with stand up hand skill wound up on the ground with me doing my best to choke my opponent out as 6 years of wrestling three hours a day never leaves you. It's instinct. Until you've been grape vined or had double legs thrown on you while both arms are tied up and you're being choked by your own arm, you don't know what helpless is. Unfortunately, I'm 37 now and have no desire to prolong a battle, so a mix of wing chun and hung gar are the weapons of choice, but if the battle hits the ground, I'm not scared and know what to do. The growth of Serra-type schools and Gracie's public appeal has really brought ground fighting main-stream. This growth now exposes all to an exponential number of opponents dying to break your arm and guess what? They try their stuff every class to the tap. How many martial artists on this board mix it up every class? This I would like to know as I don't either.
If you're surrounded, a crowd fighting art like Hung Gar or CLF would serve well as you don't want to end up on the ground here getting tee'd off on like it was field goal practice. I've been in a few of these and one in particular stands out where I was facing two and got clocked in the back of the head by someone I never saw. Guess where I wound up. On the floor. Kicked one in the nads, second in the knee and was up swinging in seconds. Do your best to take out as many as possible immediately and get the flock out of there! If you never train from the ground what will you do when you get there? Cross training is essential if you plan to survive an unknown attack.
If it's one - on - one and the attacker is unknown as is his skill level, you better be able to close the gap fast and end it regardless of the style. Everyone chatters about not fighting the other guys fight. As one of the guys on this board wrote, Everyone has a plan until they get hit. I've been saying that for years. No one intends to get hit and let's face it, all martial artists are pretty confident, yet someone always has to lose. As Ray Pina found after facing a boxer- it pays to know how to cover up when facing a boxer. Big ups to Ray puttin his hands in the ring. I'm still dying to see the video.


My first taste of Chinese Martial Arts was at Chan Tai San's kung fu academy back in 1994-1995 or so under Sifu Gus. The school moved shortly after I enrolled and I didn't follow it, but got to meet Grandmaster Chan Tai San and watch him bend a sword with the tip right below his adams apple, then stack bricks on his back and have them broken with a sledgehammer. Incredible. Mikey B. stood on my back leg to show how a stance should be able to hold up a man and was great to learn from. Gus inch-punched me through a phone book on the interview and I was sold after flying backwards. I hadn't seen an inch punch before and had no idea what it really was until I learned the Wooden Man. Now it makes perfect sense.

I didn't return to Kung Fu until the end of 2000, when I joined Ling Nam Siu Lum (http://www.lingnamsiulum.com)under Sifu Mike . Over the last 5 years, I have learned a great deal about hung gar and wing chun and lean toward the Hung Gar style. I tend to be a little too external and realize that this power will not be here forever, so I'd better learn how to yield and harness some of that internal power.. One of Sifu Mike's disciples understands this well- Billy. Whenever he touched hands with me, there was never any resistance, just redirection, strikes and more redirection. If you meet power with power, the greater force wins. The recognition of this made me rethink my plan as did Mike's brother Sifu Mark. For a big guy, he is a master at redirecting an attack while striking you as it occurs. If you haven't faced someone like this, it is frustrating as hell. He has taught me a lot about how footwork makes all the difference when facing a stronger opponent.

Recognizing that internal arts should be something to incorporate into my training I went to a ba gua seminar with John Page (http://www.internalboxing.com/) and found that to be a pretty complex art, but highly effective and definitely something worth knowing and I plan to study this at a later date. What I am finding is that a mix of internal and external is necessary to be a well rounded fighter and a well rounded artist. Add to this some cali training, some bjj, a year or so at Serra and I think you would be ready for most situations. What I'm saying is cross training seems inevitable if you intend to address the potential weaknesses of a given style while preparing for the boxers, grapplers, thai fighters and ufc types among the average joes out there. To this end, there is a student at ling nam who trains Thai, Kali Silat, BJJ, JKD and Judo on a regular basis. With such an array of tools, he is fast becoming a very well rounded fighter. He is the case-study on cross training and I like what I see and feel that if you have the time and capacity to study a few very different arts, why wouldn't you?

To summarize, I feel that all styles are effective at what they are based around when wielded by someone who truly understands their art and has the heart to bring it to bear. By embracing other styles, you will see how much there is to learn and how little you already know and some of you have amassed more than I will ever learn. To all who have, thank you for sharing with us.

[Ludeviews]

Props to whoever steps up in a dog bros type format. I like a good dustup as much as the next man but wouldn't want someone whacking me with a stick or knife!

Only other thing I've seen close to that is Geoff Thompson Animal Days. Empty hand stuff, elbows, headbutts are allowed. You have gloves on when you standing but if it hits the deck then two friendly bystanders take em off and you continue but no closed fist strikes to the face to reduce cuts.

You can fishhook, gouge and bite but obviously you exercise a level of control. As in you bite and release but its accepted that your opponent has for example lost his ear. Obviously this isn't the same as actually ripping chunks out of your ear but you learn where the holes in your defence are and if you can pull off the move.

[hellhound]

For some people like myself who spent a year in the house of pain for a second degree assualt with deadly weapons charge KF is an add on to what they already have. Using blanket stereo types could get you in the worst situation of your life if you really think everyone who studies KF is some balding middle aged man, a donut munching cops who likes to beat on 12 year olds (happened to me and I looked young, for all he knew I could of been 9) or some kid who watched crouching tiger hidden dragon too many times. Didn't your momma tell you not to assume anything? Ahh... gotta love middle America, ignorance is bliss they say.

[Ultimatewingchun]

"You think I'd run the other way? Just look at the other post where I was Googled. There were several photos of me competing. Go to grappling tournament results sites and you will see me listed there for many tourneys. Go to the Dog Bros site. Scroll through the photo section of past gatherings. You will see pics of my fights all over the place there. Download the videos. My fights are shown in almost all of those. Some of those Googled pics were from my fights at Kage Combat and Extreme Pankration.

I never run the other way.

Now try to find records on your "sifu" fighting, or even someone at your school. The only real evidence you will find is some point sparring stuff.

As far as attention... I would actually prefer to reman annonymous and just debate, but geeks like Abel and Parletti don't seem to want that to happen. so they always have to jump in and post who I am." (Knifefighter)


***NOW THIS I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, Dale Frank...(Knifefighter).

From one side of your mouth you're telling people to go to this or that website to download your fights - and from the other side you're complaining that I printed your name???!!! :cool: :eek: :D

Your fights at Kage Combat and Extreme Pankration have you listed as Dale Frank - do they not?

You crack me up, man...:rolleyes:

This really is about getting attention, isn't it? Otherwise, why even make such contradictory statements? Come on, admit it. You love being King of the Trolls!

[unkokusai]

For some people like myself who spent a year in the house of pain for a second degree assualt with deadly weapons charge KF is an add on to what they already have. .


A bad tatoo, or a boyfriend name Butch?

[SifuAbel]

As far as attention... I would actually prefer to reman annonymous and just debate, but geeks like Abel and Parletti don't seem to want that to happen. so they always have to jump in and post who I am.


If this were any more ironic it would freeze solid into a block and fall off the web.

Talk about Hypocritical BS.

You , girlfreind, have always used the exposé tatic here on KFM (then KFO). You are the CREATOR of the move. EVERY time you come here to twist your sagging nipples it ends the same way. You, trying to expose, name, identify and picture people to satisfy your whimsy. Tell us again about all those CMA instructors you've beaten in your area(don't leave out the names this time). Tell me again how your going to show up where I am.(still waiting BTW) Tell us again how you are going to make Ross your ***** when(if) you ever see him. Its all very interesting, in a shallow browbeater sort of way.

But hey, don't let me get in the way of your power binge. I mean, that is why you've come to a CMA board all these years right? To keep the FUers in line. To cowboy it up on the web a much as possible. To be the great white sheriff, come to keep the natives in line. Can't have all this BS Chinese stuff get in the way. No siry bob. To make sure people remember Knifefighter is.............................

..............well................. whatever knifefighter is.

quaint

[rogue]

Abel, after that last post and all the talk about sagging nipples, cowboys and using the term "girlfriend", I think you should stop watching the Bravo channel.:D

A question: Have any Chinese, Japanese or Korean weapons styles been tried out at a Gathering and if so how did they do? I have a theory about all arts will look almost the same when they are actually used in a fight and used with effectivness and efficiency in mind.

[Knifefighter]

Tell me again how your going to show up where I am.(still waiting BTW)
Interesting how I stopped by that park on the way to Big Bear and, lo and behold, you weren't there when you said you were.

Hmmm. what a surpise.

[Knifefighter]

A question: Have any Chinese, Japanese or Korean weapons styles been tried out at a Gathering and if so how did they do? I have a theory about all arts will look almost the same when they are actually used in a fight and used with effectivness and efficiency in mind.
A boken was used once or twice and I've gone against an accomplished kendo guy. I'm not too sure about other types of weapons from different cultures.

Usually, the weapon determines how it looks, fighting-wise and you learn very fast what works and doesn't work.

[rogue]

How was it against the kendoka?

[Knifefighter]

The kendo guy was very good and landed quite a few shots on me. I was using double sticks and got the better of the closer range exchanges, while he did better from outside range.

[lkfmdc]

It's funny, we always talk about boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, etc as alive martial arts but we forget that Kendo is alive also :)

[SifuAbel]

Interesting how I stopped by that park on the way to Big Bear and, lo and behold, you weren't there when you said you were.

Hmmm. what a surpise.

Talk about utter donkey pellets. "I wasn't there. " LOL!!! I guess you didn't look hard enough. I even stayed an extra half hour for you.

Or perhaps you got senile and went there on another big bear trip.

"That" park, hmmmmmmm, what was the name of that park? Do you remember?

[Yum Cha]

For you ground squirrls...

I've noticed when using some of our funny Pak Mei takedowns that taking the guy down onto his belly leaves him open for further attacks, like the downward heel strike to the back, spine, back of head, shoulder blade, whereas, taking him down onto his back leaves him with his arms and knees to protect attacks raining down from above, or stabbing kicks made to the shortribs.

The position is usually the guy down on front, and the guy taking down sitting on a$$ with hands behind, weight on palms at a perpendicular position. This gives you two options, lift leg and heel strike downward, or roll towards head and deliver instep to back of head. Also, to withdrawl knee to chest and deliver stompint kick to shortribs.

Granted, when you go down on your front, you have arms on the ground to move, or roll around with, but there is a window of opportunity.

How do the grappling arts look at this issue? Down on back or front?

Judoka? BJJers? Anybody?

[Nick Forrer]

IME Its harder to take someone down so that they end up belly down, simply because they can use their arms to post and prevent the takedown. That said you shouldnt really have a preference - although I would say striking is perhaps easier or at least more effective facing then behind - more vulnerable targets that way...although with the back of course you have the option to put the hooks in and choke him.

Intuitvely (sp?) I would say I prefer to take him down so that he ends up on his back. If he doesnt know BJJ then so much the better - I pass his guard without difficulty......if he does know BJJ then okay - im in for a hard time. But im no worse off then I would be If I had his back since in that scenario he can always roll into guard or reverse me or counter attack me or kick or strike me (some guys are really good from the turtle position). Im sure others will say its better to have the back and they may be right but thats my preference without giving it too much thought. The turtle is a really interesting position and I think one that is going to develop in BJJ. There are some (like Telles) who view it as a viable species of guard. Anyway rambling now..should go to bed.:(

[unkokusai]

IME Its harder to take someone down so that they end up belly down, simply because they can use their arms to post and prevent the takedown. .:(


Wha?! :confused:

[green_willow]

If you can it's always better to mount em from behind - that way their back is exposed.

If there're other ppl around just tell em to play fair and wait their turn. It really sucks having some ppl randomly hit you when you're busy mounting that person below and working it hard. These ppl could be just random ppl, not necessarily their buddies who for what ever reason want to get into a fight. That by far is the biggest down side in going to the ground. Also in the streets, its not like the padded mats in a ring. what if you break something while going down - that really sucks as well.

[Watchman]

Also in the streets, its not like the padded mats in a ring. what if you break something while going down - that really sucks as well.

The point is to break the other guy against the ground, not yourself. IMO, the hard surface of "the streets" is a great asset if you're trained in takedowns.

[green_willow]

The point is to break the other guy against the ground, not yourself. IMO, the hard surface of "the streets" is a great asset if you're trained in takedowns.

Also depends on the other person's skill. If they can reverse the grapple, you'll be the one on the ground. But unlike a UFC match, you'll probably hit the concete and will be seni conscious as opposed to doing locks etc to the person on top.

But I agree with you - first one to hit the concete is in serious trouble and yes where possible use the ground as the weapon of choice. therefore best to throw them down without you having to go down with them if possible.