Shin Conditioning

[Zaharia]

Hi. Can anybody give me some advice on how to condition my shins, please.

Thanks.

[GreenCloudCLF]

Kick somebody elses...

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Some ways to condition your shins:

Kick a training partner's shins (Basic SadoMasochism)
Kick a heavy bag (Masochism)
Kick a dead tree (Kick it till it falls down, then find another tree... unless you want to condition the ball or heel of your foot)
Kick waterfalls (ooh, mystical)
Play Soccer (This one's the best, really.) :D :D

CSP

[Taiji-Rory]

Why condition your shins?
When your get to around thirty five it will only come back to haunt you, in the short term you will damage the nerve endings in your shin, and in the long term, such prolonged trauma has been linked with arthritis and various forms of cancer.
I would recommend just training with your friends and warring no pads, over time you will become accustomed to the sensation learn to ‘relax’ and finally, shin related damage will no longer impede your training, rushing these things only tends to do more damage in the long term.

[SevenStar]

relaxation and ignoring the sensation of pain from kicking with an unconditioned shin aren't related. However, all those extreme methods are unnecessary. People have to realize that things take time. A heavy bag and some thai pads are all you need.

[Chief Fox]

The price you pay for conditioning your shins: http://www.okinawan-shorinryu.com/video_clips/shinkick.mpeg

You feel pain for a reason. To ignore it is not the smartest thing to do.

[GreenCloudCLF]

such prolonged trauma has been linked with arthritis and various forms of cancer.

TR,

has been linked by whom? I would be interested in seeing some of that research.

[BentMonk]

I too would like to know more about this supposed link between shin conditioning and bone cancer. This is the second time I've heard this. Please post some accurate, verifiable medical evidence. I condition my arms, and train with people who have been conditioning their shins and arms for several years. This conditioning is very methodical, and lots of dit da jaio is used. I've been doing it for close to six years and have yet to lose sensation, damage any nerves, or develop any form of cancer. To my knowledge neither has anyone else I train with, and they've been doing it much longer than I.

[GreenCloudCLF]

I think this cancer/conditioning thing ranks right up there with masturbation/blindness

And since I can see this forum, that link sucks...

[Taiji-Rory]

Firstly SevenStar, you are correct relaxation has nothing to do with shin conditioning, that is to say the actual toughening of the area, but it has everything to do with ones ability to tolerate pain, as the regards to link between bone cancer and bone trauma, that information was given to me by my Chinese doctor, back when I too conditioned my shins, I didn’t ask for her to prove it because she’s a very good doctor and has helped me through injury on many different occasions, I didn’t mean to cause anyone undue distress.

BentMonk well, maybe you suffer no ill effects now, but you probably will in later, life,
(I hope not though I'm not wishing on you if that’s how it sound)
I know my Sifu has a permanent injury to his left shin from his days in the shoalin temple, it came from having to kick wood with his shins, it flares up every winter and he has to apply wood lock on it x3 a day every time it flares up.

Any way I hope I made my meaning clearer this time, as you’ve probably guessed I'm some what in articulate...

[Zaharia]

Thanks for the advice, everybody:)

[Gen3sis74]

Yeah I would think shin conditioning would cause some unwanted damage, plenty of large blood vessels travelling through your legs.

[Oso]

thanks, CF.

I just puked up my protein shake.

and I've seen that video dozen's of times...it needs a warning.

[Judge Pen]

We condition our shins by rolling a PVC pipe full of sand up and down them and using copious amounts of jow. I have not lost any sensation in my shins, but I can tolerate more pain in that area. I think it's a non-impact way to build up your tolerance to pain while the jow is supposed to help the are heal and get tougher.

To quote Lawrence of Arabia, "The trick is not minding that it hurts."

[Oso]

I think that western ideas of what 'kung fu' is, is very different from what it was and is supposed to be.

IMO, 'kung fu' didn't start as a way to be healthy.

It started as a way to beat the crap out of the dude from the next village who was trying to steal your pig.

Do I need to spell the rest of that thought out?



'kung fu' training hurts. You're going to sustain injuries that mean you move like **** when you're older...except, if you trained hard enough when you were younger, when you 'do kung fu'

if you're training to learn how to fight (and if you're doing 'kung fu' why the fizzuk aren't you?) then you need to condition your body to take blows.

this means parts of your body won't work right, later in life, except when you 'do kung fu'

but, that's ok. why else did you spend all that time doing something other people made fun of?

[IronFist]

arthritis and various forms of cancer.

The shin is a bone. Arthritis affects joints.

And cancer? Gymnasts don't get cancer in their heels and feet, and they take a huge beating just like muay Thai guys' shins. I don't think repeated impact leads to cancer.

[GreenCloudCLF]

IronFist,

**** I should've picked up the bone/joint disticntion....I'm getting slow from so many hours on the computer

[kwaichang]

As with anything progressing too quickly can cause a problem much like that of the fighter in the M peg. However impact training too quickly can be linked to Osteomylitis "spelling" ?, anyway look it up. slow conditioning over time stimulates the osteophytes to produce and "lay" down calcium and at a much greater density level thus allowing a "hardening if you will" of the bone. This is produced by applying perpindicular forces to the bone with increasing degrees of intensity along with the addition of impact training at a certain time in the training regime. KC:o

[IronFist]

However impact training too quickly can be linked to Osteomylitis "spelling" ?,

Do you have any studies to support this? I know someone who was a dancer who got osteomyelitis...

[Jun Fan]

The price you pay for conditioning your shins: http://www.okinawan-shorinryu.com/video_clips/shinkick.mpeg

You feel pain for a reason. To ignore it is not the smartest thing to do.




DUDE!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:



That's going to give me nightmares.

[kwaichang]

I think that is the price you pay for NOT cond your shins. I do not have any studies readily available but do have practical experience with patients that have had Osteo. KC PS I will try to find some OK.

[zmaj]

Well there are also alternatives... there's styles out there that focus on strengthening the muscle on side/outside of the shins, and have stances to take advantage of their training to use in fighting/sparring.

Of course, fights are unpredictable and you can get hit anywhere, but there is no perfect science.

I can manage to shoot in streight and hide my shins,chest,stomach,face,GROIN :) and come in to the opponent hard but i ate a few hooks to the ear which hurt like a ***** and also got caught in the ribs.

So you gotta sacrifice something I guess...

[SevenStar]

Well there are also alternatives... there's styles out there that focus on strengthening the muscle on side/outside of the shins, and have stances to take advantage of their training to use in fighting/sparring.


but conditioning the side of the shin doesn't have as much use, since you check with the front...

[SevenStar]

Firstly SevenStar, you are correct relaxation has nothing to do with shin conditioning, that is to say the actual toughening of the area, but it has everything to do with ones ability to tolerate pain...

I dunno... relax all you want, but if I hit you in the shin with a baseball bat, it will still hurt. The only way you can draw a parallel between the two is if you suggest that it is your relaxation that is helping you to ignore the pain - but you don't have to be relaxed to ignore it, so...

[dainos]

he said he wanted to know diffrent ways to condition his shin.
not ask if it was good or not.

of course the basball bat will still hurt were not super human

if you condition over a long period of time it will have no side effects.
my sifu is over 60 and been doing kung fu for over 30 years
he doesnt have any side effects at all.

now hwo to condition you shin would be get a bunch of wire hangers and cut the bottom off so you have a foot long piece of wire

get many of them and put them in a bundle and ducktape the bottom
stop hitting your shin when the skin turns pink

you can adjust the length if you want more slaping power out of it make it longer or a more solid iron one shorten it.

[GreenCloudCLF]

he said he wanted to know diffrent ways to condition his shin.
not ask if it was good or not.

of course the basball bat will still hurt were not super human

if you condition over a long period of time it will have no side effects.
my sifu is over 60 and been doing kung fu for over 30 years
he doesnt have any side effects at all.

now hwo to condition you shin would be get a bunch of wire hangers and cut the bottom off so you have a foot long piece of wire

get many of them and put them in a bundle and ducktape the bottom
stop hitting your shin when the skin turns pink

you can adjust the length if you want more slaping power out of it make it longer or a more solid iron one shorten it.

First, you having 1 example of shin conditioning not being bad is not proof. I can name a number of people who smoked a pack a day and lived to be in their 90's, does that mean smoking does not lessen the life span???

Second, there are better, and safer, ways to condition your shins then beating yourself with a bundle of pimp sticks taped together.

[Trey]

Well I use bamboo. Several pieces held together with thin rope. I use both sides, when I train, I beat my shins until they have gone past the tingling stage, then I hit them with my canvas bag filled with pellets. And personally I dont much care what kind of effects its going to have 60 years from now, after all I really dont plan on sticking around that long anyway.

[tug]

I've used beer bottles, and my friends and I have worked on each other to achieve a good conditioning. From what we've learned, if you need to use your shin for anything, turn the big toe in as you're striking/blocking, flexing the toe upwards, intending to use the larger muscle on the outside of the shin bone as the contact point. Of course, I should say that one must work extremely hard to build that muscle enough to utilize this type of action.

Thoughts?

[dainos]

First, you having 1 example of shin conditioning not being bad is not proof. I can name a number of people who smoked a pack a day and lived to be in their 90's, does that mean smoking does not lessen the life span???

Second, there are better, and safer, ways to condition your shins then beating yourself with a bundle of pimp sticks taped together.


ooooh really how bout this there are no scientifical proof that it does good or bad. hah! take that.

what do you do to condidtion your shins. it will take 90 years to be decent i bet.

the wire broom only hits are as hard as you want to hit and what i said in my earlyer post you only condition tell your skin is pink.

now do you know many times it takes before the skin goes pink? or how much it spreads out. im just answering the thread question that the thread started asked