Wing Chun vesus Baji (video clip)

[Mega_Fist]

My mate Andy (Judo Nuchukus master and Judo Grandmaster) said this to me,

"Wing Chun for the fighting. Baji for the spiritual."

I personally agree with this but was wondering if anyone had a video that I could watch to see if it's true. I would definately know if it was true as I'm very good at watching the videos.

Also, no offence to any of you but I'm probably more spiritual than any of you. If you want to talk about philosophy or spirtualism then send me a message.




"the tiger and the crane are the mind of the spirtual" Andy (my mate)

[SimonM]

A request:

Please stop putting (video clip) in the subject header of your messages unless you actually have a vid you want to share. It's misleading. :mad:

[octagonal raven]

mega_fist = jacka$$

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i only came here for a video clip.

now i want you dead.

[Finny]

Will somebody please ban this retard?

[Mega_Fist]

You've all proven my point that I am FAR more spiritual than all of you. The true master of judo remains calm.




"the spiritual is the essence of the mind" Andy my mate

[SimonM]

:rolleyes:

That's all I have to say.

[Matrix]

You've all proven my point that I am FAR more spiritual than all of you. The mere fact that you've said this proves you are not very spiritual at all.

The true master of judo remains calm. A true master does not need to claim to be a master. Their actions, not words, express their mastery.

"Be a light unto yourself" -- Buddha

[SPJ]

The fighting aspects are " I can get you. You cannot get me." "I will get you when you are not prepared and where you are not guarding."

The spiritualities will be that everything is moving and changing in terms of time and space. Everything is impermanent.

Fighting is a random event of opportunity in space and time.

In terms of space, guarding your center line or center gate and pushing away the opponent's arms and legs outside your shoulder line. Occupation of the centerline so that you may get the opponent while he or she may not get you.

A Ba Ji theorist considers the front, rear, left, right, top and down. The 6 directional vectors divide the space of the opponent into 8 zones. Once the opponent's arm is out of the way (time), you may approach the opponent anywhere in the 8 zones (space).

WC said in zone and out zone. Ba Ji said 8 zones.

The Q is what do you say in terms of time and space?

:confused:

[SPJ]

A physical person will claim to see or to observe is to believe. Seeing is believing.

Or me want video clips.

A spiritual dude will say have faith and "visualize" your concept and chakra/qi etc.

To have faith or to believe in what you do not see or have yet to see or experience.

Which is it?

since everything is moving in terms of time and space. What we see is not there anymore. All we have is the abstract content registered in our minds and we say that it is a memory or a fact. And we believe, everything is under the same condition, the same result is expected to happen in the same way.

:D

[Mega_Fist]

My spirituality is generally based on eastern philosophy really. I saw the film "The Matrix" and I thought it was really cool how people are just like in shells and not real. I tend to practise chi and spirituality in general really.

I've got a deep saying actually, "If it rains tomorrow, who will know today whether it will rain yesterday?" I made this saying up and I think there's a lot of truth in it.





"the tiger is the essence of the crane" Andy

[Vash]

i only came here for a video clip.

now i want you dead.

That should be in the Bible.

[Vash]

My spirituality is generally based on eastern philosophy really. I saw the film "The Matrix" and I thought it was really cool how people are just like in shells and not real. I tend to practise chi and spirituality in general really.

I've got a deep saying actually, "If it rains tomorrow, who will know today whether it will rain yesterday?" I made this saying up and I think there's a lot of truth in it.





"the tiger is the essence of the crane" Andy

. . . rogue?

[SimonM]

I think it's time to stop feeding this troll. He and Vasquez have lost the entertainment value they previously posessed.

[Ou Ji]

Mega_Fisting
What up 'tard? How's your buttbuddy Andy (Judo Grandmaster)? He show you any new moves yet or are you still practicing Snake Creeps Up BungHole?

[Mega_Fist]

Mega_Fisting
What up 'tard? How's your buttbuddy Andy (Judo Grandmaster)? He show you any new moves yet or are you still practicing Snake Creeps Up BungHole?

For your information Andy (who is actually a real life samurai) has shown me loads of moves and your lucky I don't know you or I'd throw a shuriken (which means a throwing knife used by the ninja) at you.

My spirituality is actually really good just based on ancient indian and chinese and japanese philosophies really.



"the power of the shaolin is the essnece" Judo Master John Takeshi

[Ou Ji]

Go ahead and throw all the shuriken you want. I've shuriken proofed my entire body.

I found an ancient manuscript detailing how to toughen my skin by submerging it in hot cooking oil. You start by dipping your hand in and once you reach the point where you can get the sensitive part of your wrist in you can do your whole skin.

Each night for 30 years I've put my skin in a deep fryer before retiring to bed. When I get up in the morning I retreive my skin from the deep fryer, put it back on and I'm ready for anything.

[SPJ]

Isn't spiritualism meaning the belief that there is the existence of meanings or greater purpose of all things?

Shamanism or medium between visible and invisible worlds?

Then it is a belief or a faith in a concept or existence of a concept?

So the apples falling from the tree and hit your head.

A. I told a lie so GOD is punishing me and knocked on my head.

B. Gee Wee, the apples are ripe for picking and let me taste this one.

C. Mr. Newton queried that why they only fall to the ground. The laws of gravity or an act of higher being for higher purpose?

D. What are the odds for that to happen? go and buy a lottery. or stay home, something bad is going to happen to me.

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So what is the spirituality about the apples hitting on the head?

:D

[Mega_Fist]

So what is the spirituality about the apples hitting on the head? :D

Don't worry if you don't understand, I suppose my spirituality can be quite tough for begginers. I tend to use the following expression to try to explain it,

"Imagine a man in a forest. Does this man really exist or is he just in your imagination?"

it's pretty deep so don't worry if you don't understand but I made it up and I understand it so I'm probably way more spiritual than you.





"he who steals the peach of the ape is the mind" Andy (Bo-staff expert)

[BlueTravesty]

I think it's time to stop feeding this troll. He and Vasquez have lost the entertainment value they previously posessed.

I agree, though I never got to witness the "early works" of these two trolls, they really don't seem all that funny.

The Kung-fu-forum-Phil Hendrie-style-Troll-messiah has yet to appear, do not be misled by these false prophets.

[SPJ]

If A said that he or she is more spiritual than B, then B is more physical than A.

The spiritual A will see things more than surface or skin deep, such as Deuce Bigalow (http://movies.channel.aol.com/movie/main.adp?_pgtyp=pdct&tab=main&mid=19621&date=20050911&uid=5532).

While B will adhere more to physical attraction or skin deep?

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The debate or argument is based on the division of reality into 2 realms: spiritual vs physical.

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the funny thing about the movie european edition. The girls went to clinic to increase the chest size and not correction of birth defects.

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:confused:

[SPJ]

The spirituality of apples hitting the head is a metaphor.

It can be any event in one's life.

So there is a guy stole a car and went to the grayhound bus station in N.O. He just wanted to get out of town fast. He was arrested and interned in the grayhound camp or parking lot turned temp jail.

What is the spiritual side of this?

The physical side is that he broke the law and he went to jail.

:confused:

[gfx]

It's amazing, I can feel my brain cells dying as I read mega_fist's posts.

[Mega_Fist]

sad sad sad. I make a very intelligent point which is not understood about general spirituality, and people find it necessary to become racist and point the finger.

I, as a follower of the bushido samurai code of honour, remain calm in this time and have only to say the following,

"the mind is like an apple which is spiritual. While the apple may appear only physical it is actually capable of the mind." Taken from John Takeshi's essay, "Judo Mind-Control".


If you don't like what you hear, then get out of the kitchen.

[BlueTravesty]

If you don't like what you hear, then get out of the kitchen.

And a stitch in time is worth two in the bush if the shoe fits. After all, Rome wasn't built out of a molehill.

[FuXnDajenariht]

lol 10 points to SPJ for somehow sticking in a deuce bigalow link. :D

that got a chuckle.. :D

[SPJ]

You may always say what you think about things. People may or may not agree with you.

If I am the police, we would let the guy go. The car was probably abandoned. The bridges and highways are probably gone. The buses are not going anywhere.

The Buddhist may say it is Karma. He took something did not belong to him. So he spent sometime in jail.

We may never know what actually happened.

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[SPJ]

Yes. There is too much seriousness. such as Katrina and 9/11. Japanese elections. Disputes over east China sea.

All the navies in East Asia are building carriers. Thai, south Korea, Japanese and Chinese etc. India has the converted British Harrier or jump jet carrier etc.

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Deuce made me laugh especially eating the cakes with substances.

:D

[rogue]

With guys like this I'll never launch that troll thread I've been planning. :mad:

[SimonM]

I agree, though I never got to witness the "early works" of these two trolls, they really don't seem all that funny.

The Kung-fu-forum-Phil Hendrie-style-Troll-messiah has yet to appear, do not be misled by these false prophets.

Who, pray, is Phil Hendrie?

[SimonM]

And a stitch in time is worth two in the bush if the shoe fits. After all, Rome wasn't built out of a molehill.


ROTFLMFAO!

BlueTravesty you may just be my new best friend after that one. :D

[Mega_Fist]

Right, one time me and the lads were down the pub like smoking and talking to babes when this guy came in and started like taking the ****s out of us. My mate Andy kicked him in the face and so he left and loads of fit babes were really impressed.

So if you're messing with me then you're messing with Andy. And if you're messing with Andy you're messing with one nunchuku master too many.

Enough said I think.




"the dove is graceful like a tiger" Andy

[SimonM]

I'm really scared now... Not Nunchuks! Oh no! What will I ever do! If your mate Andy wants to spend the money to fly to China to have a go at me he can feel free.

I'm the only white guy in Lishi, literally everyone knows me on sight, so just have him hop on over to Shanxi province and I look foreward to facing his nunchucks of doom.

Mega fist in case you didn't notice nobody belives your bullsh!t, nobody finds you amusing, and nobody, NOBODY, is threatened by your "I know a grandmaster and he will kick your a55" routine.

Don't you have something better you could be doing with your time than continuously trolling one of the more respectable martial arts fora? Like playing with explosives near high-voltage power lines?

Get a life ****nut.

[BlueTravesty]

Nunchuks eh? Those are fun to play with, though I've never had the pleasure of learning Judo's nunchuk applications :) Say Simon, if he does decide drop by and you need a pair of rattan escrima sticks just lemme know.

Is it tough being a white guy in China?

[HearWa]

Congradulations to Mega_Fist, for making a fool out of the rest of the community! Can't you see he's being a blatant troll with his illogical arguments and subtle McDojo-ish satire? I can't believe you people have fallen for this. For shame.

Now, who are you really Mega_Fist? red5angel?

[SPJ]

Here are some video links;

Leung Tin on WC (http://www.rthk.org.hk/special/invincible/media/martialart08.asx)

He is sueing his student for the use of the name and the insignia of his school. Leung and Bruce Lee are both students of Yip Man.

Ba Ji videos (http://www.baji-hk.org/library.htm)

Click the wmv titles.

:D

[Mega_Fist]

who are you really Mega_Fist? red5angel?

The true master never reveals his identity. All I can say is this, "who are we all behind our facade of self?" that's a deep expression I made up which most people probably won't understand.

I'll give you a clue however,

"vueTresBtyla"

If you are wise enough to re-arrange these letters you will discover my true identity. It all depends how wise you are.


"the true master is the man who is the tiger of spiritual" John Takeshi

[SPJ]

Yes. It is always about give and take.

So I link 2 video clips.

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[SPJ]

Family tree.

students (http://www.cebridge.com.au/Ipman/)

linage (http://www.wingchun.com/yipline.html)

Have fun.

[SimonM]

Nunchuks eh? Those are fun to play with, though I've never had the pleasure of learning Judo's nunchuk applications :) Say Simon, if he does decide drop by and you need a pair of rattan escrima sticks just lemme know.

Is it tough being a white guy in China?

Escrima sticks.... that could be useful actually, most of the weapons I have 'round the house have pointy bits and it is impolite to gut a guest... Even a guest with nunchucks. :cool:

It's actually not tough at all being a white guy in China. I mean, yeah, I get the starers occasionally and the grinning "hullo"ers but I just smile, wave and say hello back and that problem goes away. It's nowhere near as tough for me as it is on my colleague Tomoko. Try being a Japanese woman in China. When she says she can't speak Chinese people tend to get confused. With me they just chuckle a bit and complement me on my ability to say "duei bu xi wa huei xoa i diar pu tong hua, xoa de bu hao" (not proper pinyin but you can probably guess roughly what that sounds like for you pu tong hua speakers out there)!
:D

[Mega_Fist]

Taoism, whose essence is centered around letting things take their natural course, is the traditional foil of Confucianism. Taoism's central books are the Tao Te Ching, traditionally attributed to Lao Zi (Lao tse) and the Zhuang Zi (Chuang Tse). The core concepts of Taoism are traced far in Chinese History, incorporating elements of mysticism dating back to prehistoric times, linked also with the Book of Changes (I Ching), a divinatory set of 64 geometrical figures describing states and evolutions of the world. Taoism emphasizes Nature, individual freedom, refusal of social bounds, and was a doctrine professed by those who "retreated in mountains". At the end of their lives --or during the night, Confucian officers often behaved as Taoists, writing poetry or trying to "reach immortality". Yet Taoism is also a government doctrine where the ruler's might is ruling through "non-action" (Wuwei)

I knew all of that from memory.

[SifuAbel]

You are a true savant.

[SPJ]

So many mispoints, where to start.

Daoism is to seek the Dao or Do, path or way of the nature or things and follow the way of nature.

Kong Fu Tzi is about Li or social norms or infrastructure of the family, country, and world community at large.

Lao Tzu and Zhuang Tzu saw so many wars among states during the warring periods. Thus recommend few taxes, few wars so that people may take care of themself. Laissez faire, savez vous?

:D

[SimonM]

SPJ: Let's not forget that Laotse also had his authoritarian streak. It was in the Dedaojing that it is said: Keep the bellies of the people full and the minds of the people empty. We shouldn't forget that the Dedaojing was intended as a manual on rulership. Laotse understood that if you controlled the knowledge of a people you controlled the populace.

[Mega_Fist]

Right listen my point was that I knew all of that from memory. You're just jealous of all the babes I get with ALL the time.

[FatherDog]

You're just jealous of all the babies I get with ALL the time.

Dude, seek help.

[BlueTravesty]

Who, pray, is Phil Hendrie?

Sorry, missed this post originally. He's a Radio host here in the states, who runs a show wherein he will interview a "guest" with an absurd and usually offensive viewpoint, and then take calls. The hook is that he also does the voice of the guest, so all the while the caller is unaware that he's talking to a totally fictitious person. He can be pretty hit or miss sometimes, but on his good days, he's hilarious.

In that respect, he's the radio equivalent of a forum troll- saying stupid, obnoxious things just to get a rise out of people. Unlike most other radio-trolls though (Rush Limbaugh, any of the hosts on AirAmerica...) he does it all in good fun, and with much more panache than MegaFist, Vasquez, or even Xebsball do on here (though Xebby was pretty funny, unlike the other two.)

[SimonM]

Ok, thanks!

[SPJ]

M-F:

That is deep. You use Kong Fu Zi, Lao Zi and Daoism to attract babes.

In my college days, everyone fell asleep by my bearly mentioning the Zi ism.

:eek:

[BlueTravesty]

M-F:

That is deep. You use Kong Fu Zi, Lao Zi and Daoism to attract babes.


Ah, but wouldn't it be nice if that's how it worked? The number of virgins on this board would probably drop by half :D Not to mention, the ladies would be all over m- *OUCH!!!* (yikes, didn't notice the wife approaching. Just kidding, hon!)

[SimonM]

M-F:

That is deep. You use Kong Fu Zi, Lao Zi and Daoism to attract babes.

In my college days, everyone fell asleep by my bearly mentioning the Zi ism.

:eek:


SPJ: I know your pain. The ONLY type of women the Zi isms tend to work on at
all are Philosophy majors. Have you ever tried to date a philosophy major? :eek:


Ah, but wouldn't it be nice if that's how it worked? The number of virgins on this board would probably drop by half

LOL. I found that - as far as the ladies go - neither Chinese Philosophy nor Martial Arts talk is a winning strategy. If yer gonna woo 'em with talk it's best to ask questions and listen. Real listening actually works better than just pretending to listen too.

For a laugh check out the advice Titus Pullo gives about women in the third episode of Rome. Just do it when the missus isn't around.

Of course if you are willing to step up Martial Arts can occasionally let you play the white knight angle...

Here are some Baiji clips that someone posted on the EF forum:


We haven't always seen eye-to-eye but for this I'm in your debt man! Nice clips. I so have to learn some Baji some time.

[SPJ]

Actually, there are philosophy and spirits or shen in most styles of CMA.

The first clip is Ba Ji Xiao Jia practiced in Meng Cun area or Wu branch.

There are poems about every posture. Yes, it is about Jing issuing and fighting or physical.

The first posture is called Zhong Tang Li or standing in the middle of the hall.

When you extend one arm in the front and the other in the rear, it is called Liang Tian Di or measuring the heaven and the earth. Test or try the space around you and probe the opponent. The front and the rear.

Huo Da Ding Zhou or Liang Yi Ding.

Huo Da is to hit and followed by the elbow pushing forward Ding Zhou. Liang Yi 2 signs or Yin and Yang is pointing the front and the rear.

etc.

Your postures and spirits are like those of the bear and some other animals. the shoulder of the bear or the arm of the bear, etc.

Every posture has the spirits or Xiang Xing symbolims of something.

Tong Tian Ding is pushing upwards to the sky.

So Ding is forward and may be upward.

Ba Wang Jiu Ding is elevating the Ding or vessel or lifting upward a heavy object. The King of Zhu was a very strong man and defeated Qin's army. His nickname is Zhu Ba Wang.

As far as life philosophy goes, you have to know the physical aspects first and then the essences or spirits Shen of the moves or events.

Life in general? Pondering.

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:confused:

[SimonM]

Based on Bear movements eh? Must be why I liked it so much...

[PangQuan]

"All vague notions must fall before a pupil can call himself a master"
-Bruce Lee

and you Mega Fist, are among the most vague...

[SPJ]

I was at Great Walls bookstore in Chinatown, downtown LA.

A fellow asked me if I am a Sifu. I replied that I am a CMA practitioner. What you like to know? He has practiced Chen Tai Ji with a sifu in Monterey Park. He was interested in Ba Zi.

"What is Ba Zi?" I said rake fist. They called it Ba Ji now. "Is there an English book or video?" I pointed at Wushu Book and vcd of Wu Lian Zi. "But they are in Chinese."

"If only someone would translate them into English."

I said give me your phone number, I have a book coming out about Ba Zi.

That was at the summer in 2002.

:D

[SimonM]

SPJ if you ever finish your engilsh book on Baji let me know.

[BlueTravesty]

I second that!